DrakeMarshall he/him Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 18 hours ago, StrikerEZ said: @DrakeMarshall - The meme guy @Sequence - Sfirm Kryt, they’re totally in the mission @Illwei - Kraval Aralis, who’s way too excited about potions 18 hours ago, StrikerEZ said: @Karnatheon @Matrim's Dice - Dooku, a man whose name is unrelated to anything 19 hours ago, StrikerEZ said: @Araris Valerian - Arval, no the other one @Tani @Biplet - Edeis, a totally not immortal gossip @JNV - Kali, another kid who managed to sneak on board the ship 19 hours ago, StrikerEZ said: @_Stick_ - The Stick figure @STINK @|TJ| - Kranvar, a wanted criminal who snuck on board somehow @Fifth Scholar - Christel Groenloben, a surprisingly cheerful old skaa lady who doesn't act like it @Orlok Tsubodai - Locke Tekiel, a seasoned veteran @Szeth_Pancakes @Haelbarde - Haen Plaid, he’s still here, I suppose 19 hours ago, StrikerEZ said: 19 hours ago, StrikerEZ said: @Bort @Steeldancer - Leets, totally not the Flash 19 hours ago, StrikerEZ said: @Archer - Ivory Tarvis, Head Carpenter of The Survivor 6
Biplet she/her Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: this is so wrong i play as the cyan guy 3
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Biplet said: this is so wrong i play as the cyan guy 11 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: Quote Biplet Spoiler 1
Biplet she/her Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 Just now, DrakeMarshall said: Reveal hidden contents i have made a mistake 1
Archer he/him Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 I see your reads list and raise you one kill list: Shelving: Steeldancer (studying fake biology), TJ (also busy), Karn (playing D&D with his wife… life goals), Szeth (said they were swamped in the MR) Not Evil: Sequence (recent exchange), Mat (positive vibes), Kas (theef) Leaning Good: -JNV: positive impression -Biplet: reasonable response to my vote earlier -Bort: I had thought the two kills were to demonstrate the elims’ ability to double kill so Bort would be cleared, but it actually now looks like the opposite. If they wanted to disguise an RB, they’d lean into the mass extinction theory and hold off on the kills. Hasn’t Voted: Stink, Orlok, Illwei*, Haelbarde Leaning Evil: -Drake: gambit execution didn’t feel right. Suspects from it are the two people who ruined it, which is a bit of a cop out. But I don't want to vote him because. what if I'm the bad guy. Sooo: Araris, Fifth, Stick, Tani is my shortlist. Possibly minus Fifth because they haven't been around today. Stick, did you know that you're the only person who has been on both successful mix wagons? Araris, Tani, why don't I have a read on you yet?
Mat he/him Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) Just lost a massive reads list due to me being doubly stupid :D. First, I misclicked while trying to c/p it over and deleted the whole thing. Second, reloaded the page instead of just CTRL-Zing :| Short version is (tiers not ordered) Spoiler Won't kill: Kas, Drake, Stick, Illwei, Sequence Probably won't kill: JNV, Steel, Orlok, Araris Indifferent to killing (aka Null): Karn, STINK, Hael, Szeth, Tani Maaaybe would kill?: Bort, Fifth Would kill: Archer, TJ, Bip Ask for reasons if you want them, in thread or in PMs, whatever. I had them all typed out but sorry, not doing that again :P. Edited February 23, 2022 by Matrim's Dice Fixing emote that decided to not be text
Quivil Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Archer said: Tani, why don't I have a read on you yet? That sounds like a personal problem I don't think I've been posting as much as I have in the past? And I haven't done a lot? Other than that idek. Ed1t: @Archer why did you vote my Chaos buddy? Edited February 23, 2022 by Tani
JNV Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 20 hours ago, Archer said: Speaking of PM's, boss man tells me I added 8 items to the Supply, so someone can do the math there. You get told how much you add? And weren't you the one to add earlier? So did you get told then and not tell us? 8 hours ago, Archer said: I’m a little surprised Illwei brought it up immediately, but I’m probably more surprised Drake ended the experiment by voting them for it. You have to claim to have red scanned someone to catch elims from their reactions. Green scans only catch villagers, giving you trust reads. Elims will just take it in stride, because they know its fake. So would the Investigator, although part of me worries they’d come back with ‘hello, fellow Investigator’ or ‘I know you’re lying’ and have such a unique reaction that they give themselves up. I’d love to hear a debrief from Drake with what they found. Otherwise, this was just a stunt of the kind certain elims will do for cred. Saying you scanned someone as red just makes it obvious that your lying even if you say it to an elm because if you're saying it to everyone yu said it to all the elims who will just tell each other and even if they don't because some reason you are tlling the murderer that you scanned them as elim. Just think about that for a second . You are telling the murderer that you know they're a murderrer. thats not how a rational scanner behaves probably unless this site has a lot more weird stuff then I expected The thing that really gets me about whether Bort is an elim is if Bort is telling the truth and the elims didn't kill then why did they stop stockpiling now? If they picked up duralimin or nicrosil why would they use it now? If they didn't, why would thye burn all their vials? To frame bort? They could have made a case for Bort even if tere was just the one as "oh this is them covering for Bort lets get him out of here". I don't get why the elims would do this and I think the confusion about the elim strategy is fueling confusion about Bort by proxy so... I don't think Id be opposed to them dying today? Tani voted Drake for... very little? Stick voted Archer for aking assumptions whih I odn't necessarily want to vote Archer for because that would make me a hypocrite since I had the same reaction when I saw the thread. I think Kasimir voted Bort fro "pressure" probably? and Archer voed Drake for "stunts" barring actual info. Illwei votes Archer for a differing opinion I think? And discrediting confirmed villagers? I'd honestly be okay with Archer dying today too but between a suspicion from public game stuff and a supsicion from opinins and psychology Im going with the game stuff Bort
Araris Valerian he/him Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 Okay, let's do this. First off, I pretty much agree with a comment Mat made on D1; it was pretty uneventful and we didn't really create pressure for elims to post. Now, some players having the meta they do, that doesn't mean that no elims posted, but it means that voting patterns aren't going to be super helpful. Last cycle was kinda something similar, just with fewer votes. Me joining the train on Thaidakar didn't help, but I'll blame IRL stuff and the MR for my lack of contributions then. Right now we know: There was no successful elim kill N1 There were 2 successful kills N2 Both the N2 kills likely were elim kills Bort was RBed N1 This game possibly has an Investigator I bring up (4) because, as I mentioned to Kas in our PM, the greatest threat to the elims is getting scanned. After 3-4 cycles there are pretty decent odds that one of them gets caught. I think this lends a bit of credence to the RBed elim!Bort scenario. The flip side is that our D1 was pretty pathetic, and the elims forgoing a kill then just compounds that (Our D2 wasn't much better, but whatever). In this scenario, it seems reasonable to assume that common trains of thought based on the D1 votes wouldn't lead to catching an elim. In particular, I think it makes Stick look a bit better, since it's pretty common to exe the counter-train from D1. If we want to really stretch this, we could say that the lack of an attempt to vote out Stick D2 suggests elims that are less comfortable creating their own trains. Okay, where does that leave me? Well, I'm cool with voting off Bort this cycle (historic SE player immunity has sadly expired ). However, since discussion has been so underwhelming this game, I'll park my vote on Szeth for now. In the D1 disinterested elims scenario, Szeth's vote fits right in; it was a poke vote with no follow-up, even when Stick responded. But depending on how things play out, I might switch over before end of cycle. I'm also going to steal the player list: Spoiler @Biplet - Edeis, a totally not immortal gossip Ashbringer - Faleast, just a normal dude and definitely not a shapeshifter Confederation Loyalist @Szeth_Pancakes @Matrim's Dice - Dooku, a man whose name is unrelated to anything @Araris Valerian - Arval, no the other one @Steeldancer - Leets, totally not the Flash Amanuensis - Genis, a little kid who’s too smart for his own good and his AI friend, G.E.N.I.U.S. Confederation Loyalist @JNV - Kali, another kid who managed to sneak on board the ship @Archer - Ivory Tarvis, Head Carpenter of The Survivor @Kasimir - Kavar Aral, a seasoned operative who really should have retired ages ago The Unknown Aon - ExMach Inadeus, an extraordinarily lucky guy Confederation Loyalist @|TJ| - Kranvar, a wanted criminal who snuck on board somehow @DrakeMarshall - The meme guy @Orlok Tsubodai - Locke Tekiel, a seasoned veteran Thaidakar the Ghostblood - Levin Venture, totally not a Ghostblood Confederation Loyalist Hazekiller @Illwei - Kraval Aralis, who’s way too excited about potions @Karnatheon @Haelbarde - Haen Plaid, he’s still here, I suppose @_Stick_ - The Stick figure @Sequence - Sfirm Kryt, they’re totally in the mission @Bort @STINK @Tani @Fifth Scholar - Christel Groenloben, a surprisingly cheerful old skaa lady who doesn't act like it Mostly as a convenient way to @ everyone that is still alive. Please get some votes down. Doesn't matter if you don't feel great about it. And consider the arguments made for players that already have votes sticking to them. Ideally we won't end this cycle like D1 with 5+ 1-person trains. 1
StrikerEZ he/him Posted February 24, 2022 Author Posted February 24, 2022 Since Araris has conveniently tagged everyone, I am going to make an announcement. There are just slightly over 24 hours left. Make sure to get your votes and actions in before then. Here's the current VC: Bort (3): JNV, Kasimir, Drake Marshall Archer (2): Illwei, _Stick_ Szeth_Pancakes (1): Araris Valerian _Stick_ (1): Archer Drake Marshall (1): Tani
Archer he/him Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Tani said: @Archer why did you vote my Chaos buddy? Because he was suspicious 1 hour ago, JNV said: You get told how much you add? And weren't you the one to add earlier? So did you get told then and not tell us? Saying you scanned someone as red just makes it obvious that your lying even if you say it to an elm because if you're saying it to everyone yu said it to all the elims who will just tell each other and even if they don't because some reason you are tlling the murderer that you scanned them as elim. Just think about that for a second . You are telling the murderer that you know they're a murderrer. thats not how a rational scanner behaves probably unless this site has a lot more weird stuff then I expected The thing that really gets me about whether Bort is an elim is if Bort is telling the truth and the elims didn't kill then why did they stop stockpiling now? If they picked up duralimin or nicrosil why would they use it now? If they didn't, why would thye burn all their vials? To frame bort? They could have made a case for Bort even if tere was just the one as "oh this is them covering for Bort lets get him out of here". I don't get why the elims would do this and I think the confusion about the elim strategy is fueling confusion about Bort by proxy so... I don't think Id be opposed to them dying today? Tani voted Drake for... very little? Stick voted Archer for aking assumptions whih I odn't necessarily want to vote Archer for because that would make me a hypocrite since I had the same reaction when I saw the thread. I think Kasimir voted Bort fro "pressure" probably? and Archer voed Drake for "stunts" barring actual info. Illwei votes Archer for a differing opinion I think? And discrediting confirmed villagers? I'd honestly be okay with Archer dying today too but between a suspicion from public game stuff and a supsicion from opinins and psychology Im going with the game stuff Bort I mentioned I added six N2. I @ed Ashbringer about it to help with the action tracking. I get where you're coming from, and it makes sense to keep quiet and watch who they vote for before making your reveal. But it's an SE meta thing to sometimes legitimately approach the elims so they have a chance to write death RP. Or to give them a chance to claim the scan was redirected or that they're a neutral. Eight times out of ten, its a gambit, but it's a thing people have done. (Someone who has played more than me, is that right?) Anyway, if you look at the last three games, all of the scan claims have been about elim checks, the thinking being that causes much more of a reaction than village confirmations. I'm in the camp that believes those get more done. That next bit embodies what I don't like about the Bort exe. It boils down to us reacting to the NKs, which are controlled by the elims. I don't think the case would have existed to kill Bort if they had just held off on the NKs again. If they do that, the odds are better that the elims held off on the NK than they submitted it and it was blocked. I haven't anything else by Bort that has made me think he's evil, so I'm thinking the elims took the opportunity to set up a mix and are pushing it based on a narrow theory. You'd have to convince me that Ashbringer and Aman were such high priority targets that it made endangering e!Bort worth it for me to buy into this. Otherwise, it looks like a good excuse to mix a guy who hasn't voted in a way that's clean because there's nothing for him to defend against in a nuanced manner. What do you mean by "And discrediting confirmed villagers"? I didn't sus a dead person again, did I 45 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: Well, I'm cool with voting off Bort this cycle Why.
Quivil Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Archer said: Because he was suspicious Do you have more details? Ed1t: Fair warning: Near the end of this day I probably will jump on whichever train has the most votes because stuff chances. Y'all're not allowed to yell at me for this, because I'm getting the attractor fabrial for you today and I warned you. Edited February 24, 2022 by Tani
Kasimir he/him Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 I have been informed that Bort is my son from LG12 and I should probably not vote to damn my son because the Greek furies get mad when that happens. In light of that new piece of information, I'm going to go on Archer instead. 1
Mat he/him Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 4 hours ago, JNV said: thats not how a rational scanner behaves probably unless this site has a lot more weird stuff then I expected No, not how a rational scanner behaves unless they have a death wish 2 hours ago, Archer said: But it's an SE meta thing to sometimes legitimately approach the elims so they have a chance to write death RP. Or to give them a chance to claim the scan was redirected or that they're a neutral. Eight times out of ten, its a gambit, but it's a thing people have done. (Someone who has played more than me, is that right?) When has this ever been done? Maybe I've just been completely oblivious or forgot but I can't recall this ever happening. A scanner would never approach the elims because the elims have teammates who would submit an easy NK the following Night. 2 hours ago, Archer said: That next bit embodies what I don't like about the Bort exe. It boils down to us reacting to the NKs, which are controlled by the elims. I don't think the case would have existed to kill Bort if they had just held off on the NKs again. If they do that, the odds are better that the elims held off on the NK than they submitted it and it was blocked. I haven't anything else by Bort that has made me think he's evil, so I'm thinking the elims took the opportunity to set up a mix and are pushing it based on a narrow theory. You'd have to convince me that Ashbringer and Aman were such high priority targets that it made endangering e!Bort worth it for me to buy into this. Otherwise, it looks like a good excuse to mix a guy who hasn't voted in a way that's clean because there's nothing for him to defend against in a nuanced manner. Is this not a complete 180 from your stance earlier this cycle? I get that your initial vote was based off a small misunderstanding about Hazekillers but it's surprising to me to see you write this when it is nearly the opposite of what you were saying not too long ago. I could see your initial suspicion manifesting, then realizing your mistake and walking back on it, but at that point just sitting on it there. This defense seems out of the blue. Though elim reads defending other sort of elim reads is very helpful for my reads, thank you Idk what the vote count is but I'll flip a coin, heads=Archer tails=Bort Bort it is. I think that brings it closer to a tie which could be... enlightening.
Archer he/him Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Tani said: Do you have more details? Yes, explained last round, but they were all wrong 1 hour ago, Kasimir said: I have been informed that Bort is my son from LG12 and I should probably not vote to damn my son because the Greek furies get mad when that happens. In light of that new piece of information, I'm going to go on Archer instead. well that makes sense Narrator: But it did not make sense 14 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: No, not how a rational scanner behaves unless they have a death wish When has this ever been done? Maybe I've just been completely oblivious or forgot but I can't recall this ever happening. A scanner would never approach the elims because the elims have teammates who would submit an easy NK the following Night. Is this not a complete 180 from your stance earlier this cycle? I get that your initial vote was based off a small misunderstanding about Hazekillers but it's surprising to me to see you write this when it is nearly the opposite of what you were saying not too long ago. I could see your initial suspicion manifesting, then realizing your mistake and walking back on it, but at that point just sitting on it there. This defense seems out of the blue. Though elim reads defending other sort of elim reads is very helpful for my reads, thank you Idk what the vote count is but I'll flip a coin, heads=Archer tails=Bort Bort it is. I think that brings it closer to a tie which could be... enlightening. I remember somebody said someone PMed everyone left in a game and told them all they'd scanned them as an elim, and the elim gave up. Might have been Joe? (Somebody please ask me who Joe is, I dare you.) Nah, my stance earlier was based on me thinking the elims lost their vial and were trying to show they still had two but were really using a vial doubler. Now that I know they keep the vial, it makes no sense they'd submit exactly two kills in a situation where Bort is evil. And again, no one is pulling up anything Bort has said, which is the kind of nonconfrontational exe elims love. I'm writing off Kas' vote, but you've got to see that JNV's looks sus, and Drake still hasn't explained their reasons. I don't know why you're considering voting for me, but you're one of two trusts I've got right now. Are you still willing to do Biplet? Stick @Sequence wanna join the sheep Mat's-reads-before-they-derailed club?
Kasimir he/him Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Archer said: I remember somebody said someone PMed everyone left in a game and told them all they'd scanned them as an elim, and the elim gave up. Might have been Joe? (Somebody please ask me who Joe is, I dare you.) This was done in LG3. When SE was still young and naive, and when Beetle was still a possible gambit, when only two games later, the Village would go on to ML every single Tineye under the assumption one of them had to be Evil. When Joe was the last Elim standing in a game where Gamma had effectively shut down every single Elim kill with an unprecedented Lurching streak protecting himself and the Village Seeker. A lot of plays in early SE that happened would not be workable eight years from now [Edited to add: Meant 'eight years later'], I can tell you this. Either you don't understand the game landscape you're talking about, yet you still want to draw on it to defend your read of Drake, or you're deliberately trying to misrepresent the state of affairs in order to cast suspicion on Drake. Which is it? Edited February 24, 2022 by Kasimir
Archer he/him Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, Kasimir said: A lot of plays in early SE that happened would not be workable eight years from now Not with that attitude they won't :P. I'll concede it's a bad idea to out yourself as a multi-use scanner to someone you pegged as an elim. But there's ways around it that still let you claim a red scan was made. And then you freeze the elim team, or get the target to try and talk about redirects, which is as good as a straight confession. Drake's meme seems to say he thought people would be noticeably more cheerful about being scanned village? Was there a strong difference he noticed? Or is he just assuming that people who didn't buy it must have been tipped off by the elim doc. As someone who has [redacted due to ongoing nature of other game] I find the timing, execution, and conclusions suspicious. I know we haven't had much in the way of leads so far, but following the two low confrontation setups doesn't seem right. Looking at stuff like who voted, who grabbed items, who said suspicious things makes more sense to me. Put another way, it's a mix y'all.
Kasimir he/him Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Archer said: Drake's meme seems to say he thought people would be noticeably more cheerful about being scanned village? Was there a strong difference he noticed? Or is he just assuming that people who didn't buy it must have been tipped off by the elim doc. As someone who has [redacted due to ongoing nature of other game] I find the timing, execution, and conclusions suspicious. He pointed out that Elims in fact have to work harder to come by their conclusions honestly - they are well aware that this scan is false, but are also aware they can't reveal that it's false too quickly.. They have to show their working, and are wary of a trap. Conversely, Village responses would be pretty apparent both by immediacy (Illwei; no conferring with any apparent doc), lack of TMI and purity (confusion and acceptance, Sequence), or they have to show their working - it's apparent when a Villager derives the conclusion it's a false scan through careful effort and collection of evidence/consultation as compared to when TMI is present. For instance, Drake noted you inferred very quickly - relative to the others - that this was a widespread fake scan. This should be suspicious, especially compared to the raw, baseline responses, and the fact of the matter is that - just as Meerkat worked out in AG8 - due to Villagers being in the majority, their responses can be taken to be baseline. The alternative is to simply do what I did, which is a raw MO plot of the reactions and to look for outliers. Ultimately though, your argument is saying that a Villager scan is less valuable, and I honestly call osik on this, because Elims are being fed information they know to be false, which means they are looking out for what the catch is and are trying to act like any Villager would. The presence of TMI is the difference-maker here, not the scam type. I'd further argue that it's precisely because Village Meerkat and Village Illwei used Evil scans in previous games that swapping things around shakes things up - it makes things less predictable and reverses the meta to try to break Elim complacency or the idea they can bury this. As Drake has said, he's willing to explain his thoughts in PMs, due to the limitations of his meme style, so why aren't you interested in actively asking him about them? The timing, execution, and conclusions are suspicious? How so? For reasons you can't even state? All this while while you keep on fishing for a train? If you want to do a comparison to your behaviour in MR56, I'll gladly give you one. You declared an Evil scan on Thaid with no set-up whatsoever. Immediately - within ten minutes of your post suggesting no real read on Thaid. If that wasn't a screaming red flag, you must have expected half of MR56 to be colourblind! You claim this in a game with no sign of items whatsoever apart from one-shots created by a specific player, who was lynched on D1. You expect there to be reactions and claimed to be okay with one reaction. And what did it do? What results did you get? You kind of just shrugged and gave us barely there reads on Aman and waffled on Stick. Drake has produced an entire reads list, has claimed Investigator in a game where the role is known to exist, has actually committed to doing the set-up properly and has been willing to discuss and defend his conclusions with the various people who PMed him. I should know - I'm one of them. Minimally, he was way more thorough than MR56 Archer was. Maximally, he's being more upfront - within discursive limits - than MR56 Archer was. The timing was suspicious? On D3, and revealed before the halfway mark of the cycle? Was there discussion that was being derailed? Sorry, because I'm not seeing it. What was there to be derailed when Drake initiated this play at the beginning of the cycle? Even if there was derailment (where? I challenge you to show me it!) - derailment is not the responsibility of one player - I said this as Meerkat and will say it again. It is the responsibility of every Villager who needs to get out in the thread and actually discuss all the things. The conclusions are suspicious? Why so? If you disagree with his reads, why so? And if not, if you - as indicated - haven't even bothered to talk to Drake before calling them suspicious or seeing his working, then I am absolutely not surprised at all that you think he's suspicious. Not wanting to actually make sense of how people come to their conclusions has a way of doing that. I'm sorry, but if you want red flags, MR56 Archer and now Archer has it, and I sincerely hope you're trying TWTBAW because I'm getting a lot of bad vibes off you. Man, I was really going to sit back and say nothing for this cycle and let Village Village and let me do me but I legit cannot even with this sort of trainwreck. Cannot. Even. So here's my question. If you're so sure that Bort is Village, to the point you're defending him to the hilt, if Bort flips Elim, will you accept us lynching you with zero resistance whatsoever? You've claimed adamantly that the arguments against Bort hold no water - despite JNV's being about as reasonable as your thoughts on Thaid despite attempts to gaslight them out of existence. In your eyes, there is no case against Bort at all, so you shouldn't object to being lynched next if Bort at any point flips Evil. And I for one am happy to go through with it, given how closely you've tied yourself to Bort. 2
|TJ| he/him Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 Okay I've got limited time to sneak in at lunch break - 18 hours ago, _Stick_ said: Archer didn't hesitate to out Drake as the "scanner" following illwei's announcement (he posted this 6 minutes after). @Archer how come you didn't consider the possibility of another scanner having scanned illwei? Why did you assume Drake's scan was fake? (Asking because perhaps he explained to you in PMs that it was - in which case this doesn't make you suspicious) + 5 hours ago, Archer said: That next bit embodies what I don't like about the Bort exe. It boils down to us reacting to the NKs, which are controlled by the elims. I don't think the case would have existed to kill Bort if they had just held off on the NKs again. If they do that, the odds are better that the elims held off on the NK than they submitted it and it was blocked. I haven't anything else by Bort that has made me think he's evil, so I'm thinking the elims took the opportunity to set up a mix and are pushing it based on a narrow theory. You'd have to convince me that Ashbringer and Aman were such high priority targets that it made endangering e!Bort worth it for me to buy into this. Otherwise, it looks like a good excuse to mix a guy who hasn't voted in a way that's clean because there's nothing for him to defend against in a nuanced manner. Complete 180 on Bort implies either his earlier vote was distancing and he's E/E with Bort and this aggressive defending is 'Refuge by Audacity' or he's setting up v!Bort ML if Archer flips red. Understand the confusion about role-block not destroying vials but there's still lots of possibilities and uncertainties for you to strongly defend him here. + 41 minutes ago, Kasimir said: He pointed out that Elims in fact have to work harder to come by their conclusions honestly - they are well aware that this scan is false, but are also aware they can't reveal that it's false too quickly.. They have to show their working, and are wary of a trap. Conversely, Village responses would be pretty apparent both by immediacy (Illwei; no conferring with any apparent doc), lack of TMI and purity (confusion and acceptance, Sequence), or they have to show their working - it's apparent when a Villager derives the conclusion it's a false scan through careful effort and collection of evidence/consultation as compared to when TMI is present. For instance, Drake noted you inferred very quickly - relative to the others - that this was a widespread fake scan. This should be suspicious, especially compared to the raw, baseline responses, and the fact of the matter is that - just as Meerkat worked out in AG8 - due to Villagers being in the majority, their responses can be taken to be baseline. Archer
Illwei Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, |TJ| said: Okay I've got limited time to sneak in at lunch break - + Complete 180 on Bort implies either his earlier vote was distancing and he's E/E with Bort and this aggressive defending is 'Refuge by Audacity' or he's setting up v!Bort ML if Archer flips red. Understand the confusion about role-block not destroying vials but there's still lots of possibilities and uncertainties for you to strongly defend him here. + Archer if you think that Archer is specifically e/e with Bort, why are you not voting Bort? Village reads Spoiler Sequence Drake TJ Stick Edited February 24, 2022 by Illwei
|TJ| he/him Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, Illwei said: if you think that Archer is specifically e/e with Bort, why are you not voting Bort? 1. 3 hours ago, |TJ| said: Complete 180 on Bort implies either his earlier vote was distancing and he's E/E with Bort and this aggressive defending is 'Refuge by Audacity' or he's setting up v!Bort ML if Archer flips red. 2. I don't have an independent opinion on Bort other than the RB thing, the just one thing I noticed is that they sound more like a newcomer than a returning player, whereas I was suspicious of Archer from last cycle. So that's more read-based than Bort, which is conditional.
Bort he/him Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, |TJ| said: I don't have an independent opinion on Bort other than the RB thing, the just one thing I noticed is that they sound more like a newcomer than a returning player, whereas I was suspicious of Archer from last cycle. So that's more read-based than Bort, which is conditional. Honestly, TJ, I almost feel like a new player, lol. You've got a load of new terms for things, and while the core game is there, this is still a lot more complicated than the last time I played. Back then, everyone had one, maybe two powers for most games, and trying to work out the roles was part of the fun. Now, there are still roles, but everyone being Mistborn almost pushes them into the background. I'm not really sure where all the interest in me has come from, other than this RB thing on N1, which is both somewhat entertaining as it served no purpose, and frustrating because it looks like it's going to kill me. I think Illwei's vote is on me now, so I'll place my vote on Archer right now to keep us balanced. Other than to preserve my life, a noble goal in it's own right, lol, I don't like how he's set this train up. He pushes the vote onto me, using the RB claim, and then once it's taken hold, he's slipped off to vote for someone else. Bort (3*): JNV, Drake Marshall, Mat, Illwei? Archer (3*): Illwei?, Kasimir, _Stick_, TJ Szeth_Pancakes (1): Araris Valerian Biplet (1): Archer Drake Marshall (1): Tani @Illwei - You need to retract a vote in green if you're placing a new one. Edit: Forgot to add - @DrakeMarshall - Now that I'm awake enough to interpret your meme post... Very clever. Well played Edited February 24, 2022 by Bort 1
Kasimir he/him Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Bort said: @Illwei - You need to retract a vote in green if you're placing a new one. I know Illwei's a new player but just to point out - these days, GMs just accept the latest red vote. I green out of habit anyway but AFAIK @StrikerEZ isn't really picky about this. This is a very lax generation, I know @Bort @Araris Valerian @Haelbarde Time was, we had to go back to every post and green out all previous votes! Edited to add: 14 hours ago, Archer said: I see your reads list and raise you one kill list: Shelving: Steeldancer (studying fake biology), TJ (also busy), Karn (playing D&D with his wife… life goals), Szeth (said they were swamped in the MR) Not Evil: Sequence (recent exchange), Mat (positive vibes), Kas (theef) Leaning Good: -JNV: positive impression -Biplet: reasonable response to my vote earlier -Bort: I had thought the two kills were to demonstrate the elims’ ability to double kill so Bort would be cleared, but it actually now looks like the opposite. If they wanted to disguise an RB, they’d lean into the mass extinction theory and hold off on the kills. Hasn’t Voted: Stink, Orlok, Illwei*, Haelbarde Leaning Evil: -Drake: gambit execution didn’t feel right. Suspects from it are the two people who ruined it, which is a bit of a cop out. But I don't want to vote him because. what if I'm the bad guy. Sooo: Araris, Fifth, Stick, Tani is my shortlist. Possibly minus Fifth because they haven't been around today. Stick, did you know that you're the only person who has been on both successful mix wagons? Araris, Tani, why don't I have a read on you yet? It is indeed interesting to see the likes of Archer put up a reads list, and then successfully suggest that the Bort train is Elims pushing a mislynch when one of his lean V reads is on it, refuse to self-pres on Bort, another lean V read, and try to rummage about for a CW on Biplet....another lean V read! All this while ignoring <Araris, Fifth, Stick, Tani.> You have to wonder if 'lean V' at this point means 'everything including the kitchen sink' - much less you [Edited to add 2: when, not you] you have a shortlist that excludes your one Evil read. It's a very interesting phenomenon that makes me wonder if the meds I'm on are making me trippy. But I don't feel good. In fact, I feel positively Evil vibes Edited February 24, 2022 by Kasimir
Bort he/him Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, Kasimir said: I know Illwei's a new player but just to point out - these days, GMs just accept the latest red vote. I green out of habit anyway but AFAIK @StrikerEZ isn't really picky about this. This is a very lax generation, I know @Bort @Araris Valerian @Haelbarde Time was, we had to go back to every post and green out all previous votes! Ok, cool. Good to know. I remember it being a bit stricter back in the day
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