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In simple terms, you essentially stated that you don't mind if we ML a player because we can survive the rebuke tonight. While that is correct, it is also a permanent +1 enmity which is a problem in the long run, and absolutely benefits the elims. *** I've been thinking - Grub confirmed to us that they did receive a 'you've been blocked' message by Archer, so this means TUC did block Grub truly. The only way he does that, and NOT submit the kill is if he knew and was absolutely certain that the kill was submitted by someone. This means that the reason why we didn't see the kill was indeed because it had been blocked by Mint. I guess they could have said they submitted and then forgotten to actually do so, but what are the chances. Which is why I think no-kill = v!Mint

I think this is suspicious lol.

oooooffff, yikes that was a bad read. I'm okay going over if you need to sort me out. Just give me the 48 hours to solve the game now, and hopefully I'm right in my legacy reads. I think I'm looking at Hopper a bit, because of their pop-in timings. But yeah, it's wide open now it could be anyone. Another re-read pending!

Be the change you want to see?

you are taking away a LOT of context behind the post. this is grub reacting to someone who has essentially sentenced them to death and I believe their reaction is very important to their alignment, and cannot be simply whittled down to a 'single post'. TUC has been fully in his village meta. I don't see TUC being linked it ANYONE else whereas you can be linked to Grub, and a team of Grub/Mint makes perfect sense. @Hoid Slayer, this is another point. Who do you think is teamed up with Hoid? Star? Hopper? Both of them make way way less sense that Grub/Mint.

Noted: Grub's hesitancy to switch to Mint. @coco.pudding, read my case on Grub/Mint

You mean Mint saved you. Bro, you are ignoring bigger evidence and hyper-focusing on the illwei issue. how about you shoot TUC with shardblade next cycle?

Posting Illwei's explanation of the situation - @Hoid Slayer, what was your PM with Coder like?

Bro, there is no use of clearing people anymore. Best case scenario, it's 6-2 now, and it could very well be 5-3. If there is an ML and they get off a kill, it would be 4-2 (3-3) and Enmity = 3. Let us assume the aim would be to lie that they would be providing Favor, so they also get a second rebuke next cycle (an extra kill). If they have enough vote manip, then they win even without a majority, which is why we should treat this cycle as lylo. @Through the Living Hopper, you should see the above argument for e!Grub/e!Mint/v!TUC same actually.

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Cycle 1 -> A strong point to note is that Grub's first vote was on Hoid was NOT a poke-vote. HOWEVER, Grub's 2nd vote (which was on Coder) WAS a poke-vote. Usually, people who poke-vote continue to do so, and people who vote with reason almost always never pivot to poke-votes, which is why I think this poke was a e/e interaction. This only grows stronger, because they move BACK to voting on suspicion for their 3rd vote which was on TUC. Now they mentioned "Coder was busy" when they shifted to TUC, when Coder did not mention anything of the sort, but they claimed that it was a 'ninja' and they didn't edit the post afterwards. When an elim speaks so little, it is quite important to see what they choose to focus on, so this defence of Grub reads very weird from a not-so-active-seeming Coder. And this is quite a strong defence of someone this early into the game. Especially when either player had nothing to do with Coder. Further makes me lean e!Grub. Would also mention that this was in response to Myst, who ended up being the C1 night-kill. Cycle 2 -> Grub does item analysis. Inherently, I find this suspicious because this is the exact same thing I did to get village-read when I was getting some suspicion in the previous iteration of the game in which I was evil (LG83) Okay, so I've seen the possible e-slip comment from Illwei - she says it does not conflict with the story, but does not fit right how she wants it to ; fair. Cycle 3 -> This post from Mint feels like they're setting up MLs on me and TUC. If TUC is village, I one-hundred-percent expect an elim to piggyback onto illwei's suspicion about the suspected e-slip and Mint would be my first choice. @Hoid Slayer, @coco.pudding @Stardust There are quite a bit of connections between Coder and Grub. There are NO in-thread connections between TUC and Coder. The ONLY reasoning for TUC is given as the weirdness given by illwei in which the accounts actually tallied but it just didn't feel right which was STILL Illwei's personal opinion. ed1t: yeah, this seems to be an elim wanting to get ahead of v!TUC / wanting to be on a different train from a teammate. if you feel that way about TUC, why are you suspecting me who feels the same way about them? do you want to vote mint with me?

hmmmm i doubt that it can be used. i just sincerely doubt that you would be informed about it when you took no action to be blocked. but i will digress. might go re-read some stuff to see if i find anything.

correct, so why are you voting for him? more like the protect claim could be used to remove credibility from v!TUC's claim. are you saying that you were informed that you were blocked despite you not taking any actions?

Grub I think Grub's reaction here is pointing towards them being elim. I think a villager in their position would be a lot more suspicious towards TUC's claim and they would push back instead. This pacifying approach they are taking towards TUC is elim-behaviour imo. edit1: firstly I don't believe this claim. and secondly even if you did, it is not mutually exclusive with tuc blocking grub. are you told if you successfully block someone? I'm pretty sure I don't think so. why do you think his point is moot?

What's the logic behind this? Can't the elims block the ones claiming to give favor? (sorry, poor on mech because of how less active I've been)

If it was anyone other than you making this statement, I would find it utterly suspicious because there is a kill choice that would no reduce the pool at all, which is you because you are conf-village after helping us kill Coder.

(back from vacation, should be more active now onwards) Right, seeing as the game is not 'outnumber/parity with village', idk why e!Hoid would fake-claim. Even if there is a Rebuke because we ML Coder, a first Rebuke is NOT worth outing yourself as an elim. Coder I'll legacy-read illwei later.

okay so just blazed through the thread - pages 1-2 a bit more thoroughly gut myst village. vote is on wahr i did not like their reaction to illwei's vote on qian. i thought the reasoning was quite obvious that qian sounded a little defensive for a poke vote. even if illwei's vote was a 'poke', there is nothing suspicious about a 2-length poke-vote train early game at all. also, historically, whenever tuc has come out of the gate swinging making strong statements, he has been village. evil tuc tends to lay low, i think.

Hallooo, i'm actually on a trip away from home where phone signal is weak so my participation is limited but i'll be back tomorrow!

In!

Bahhhh, my comment was too little too late. Kinda debated asking for a 24-hour extension but I thought everyone would be mad at me, and I didn't gg Araris, very well played in the last cycle!

If Araris needs any reassurance, I still think it's Hoid Slayer. Even discount the desperation of this cycle, his behaviour from last cycle with the reading of everyone and very strongly casing anti-xino trying to get others on his side, reads evil. If it's not him, I actually think it's Araris - in this case the first missed kill was just elims forgetting the kill and the second missed kill would be the Araris conversion. Last cycle signs be Araris hellbussing to ensure a win at F3.

Agreed with the vote and agree to shorten the cycle as well.

I will concede the point to you, yes. To us, there is no reason why Araris would be more suspicious than you, tbh. Your anti-synergy with Coco does make you a perfect candidate for the convert. Where I don't see Araris missing a kill, I do see a team with you might.

The other option is a Seeker, but I just checked the list of roles and the only Seeker in the game (after I was changed) was CadCom who has flipped village. Another option is some other pseudo-elim slipped up somewhere so I'd ask you guys to check if you slipped up anywhere. ed1t: check the world docs as well