Araris Valerian

I'd say it's fine to figure out your own playstyle, but I think focusing on other player's perceptions of yourself can be an elim tendency. If you're village, just try and find the elims (and there's no one right way to do this, though voting is always a good start). That's really all you can do. If you get exed for it, well, that's just part of the game. You can hang out with everyone in the dead doc and laugh at how lost the rest of the village is . My personal philosophy is that suspicion and murder are the highest forms of compliment in SE.

I'd say yes, but more as a default. It's not something I would act on without rereading you more. Though I'm a little concerned by how concerned you seem about my opinion of you.

My personal advice in that sort of situation, if you feel up to it, would be to disengage and try and think about some other players. If worst comes to worst and you get executed as a villager, the rest of us will know we can trust any ideas you came up with as honest.

You would know, wouldn’t you . And just so that this post has a bit of substance, I’d say I probably disagree with you most on Mat, though I’m not sure I could lay a finger on why. I’m not particularly inclined to think he’s village at the moment.

I think you should be extremely wary of "a coordinated attack from the elims" as an explanation of any early-game behavior. The thing is, if the elims coordinate too much too early, then they kinda just lose (barring a massive skill advantage between them and the village, or imbalanced roles). Basically, if you want to hypothesize this kind of things, you need to have a reason why the payoff of such coordination for the elims is worth giving away multiple team members. The elim goal with the exe early on is usually "stay alive" rather than "maximize mis-executions".

While I don't really agree with the reasoning here, I do feel like it's coming from a village perspective.

I mean, that fits exactly with what I was saying, except the discussion would have been in the elim doc rather than a PM. But, as Mat said, feel free to explain the conversation if you think the details will clarify further.

This post feels off to me. Like the sort of thing one elim would post in response to a teammate that made a minor mistake, as a way to do some soft distancing. Ink. Losing Illwei makes me think that the elim team is composed more of new/returning players, since it’s somewhat frowned upon to kill returning players (such as Illwei) during C1. It probably lends some credence to Illwei’s village reads as well, since it any elims were resting comfortably in those slots a kill wouldn’t have been as necessary. I can see the case against Myst, but the thing holding me back is I can’t see why the elims would be so reliant on getting the vote off. Like, what elim plan hinges on that happening? It would make conversion easier, but that seems relatively minor with all the ways to reduce loyalty this game.

Honestly, I was waiting for you to tunnel on someone so I could clear you .

Hey everyone, I’m a bit under the weather, sorry for not posting. Don’t have any qualms about exeing me for lying low. I have a mild suspicion of TUC. The feel of his posts reminds me of the sorts of things I was thinking about in the last game I played after I got converted. He’s gaming out different scenarios a lot. Asriel is someone else that sticks out as suspicious to me, but I’m not sure if I can put a finger on why. i could probably give specific thoughts if anyone wants anything particular from me, otherwise gonna check back in tomorrow and see if i have more comprehensive thoughts.

I would say that for simple games, GMing is a fair bit easier than playing, but that's because I tend to do a fair bit of analysis if I end up surviving to later parts of the game. And if the rules are simple, your players won't have many questions to answer. Also, there is a requirement for new GMs to run a simple game first, or to have an experienced coGM. This is correct. You don't need a pass if it's been a while since the last non-Sanderson game. This is tracked in the signup sheet, and it's per game type (LG/MR/QF).

I'll play as Araris Valerian, a rather lost swordsman.

Another option, if we want a simpler game like @Aeoryi is suggesting, would be some kind of Tyrian mod. I like what I ran for LG 106 (no vote manip), but that still has a decent amount of complexity. A further deviation like no mental powers and no Mistborn would make for a fairly simple ruleset. Maybe set it in the Roughs or something.

Depending on the number of signup, a rerun of LG 62/42 could be fun.

Yeah, this, plus you being a Lurker, made me rather annoyed at the first missed NK, which was targeted at you. I probably switched too suddenly into “solve mode” and also had too much confidence in xino as elim. I was also deliberately ignoring discussions of the convert, such as not addressing you directly at all. I’m kinda glad nobody asked me about the role I claimed to have back when I pulled my gambit with Verdance. That might have gotten me picked out at the convert, since a bit of analysis would have revealed I had vote manip, which the elims would definitely want to prioritize. One of my potential endgame gambits was to use your Lurker role as a justification for you being the convert. But that was always scary because if I didn’t sway enough folks, the fact you actually has vote manip would have ended poorly for me, especially since I needed to be able to use the NK.

The first one was an accident. They picked Striker to kill but nobody sent an order in their GM PM. Once I was converted I made the call to deliberately skip a kill, primarily to reach an odd number of players, since my vote doubling would guarantee a win at 1-2. I was also working under the assumption that everyone just thought xino was the mole, so I thought I would be flying solo for 3 cycles rather than just 1, which played into the timing of when I skipped the kill.

I mean, I was pretty annoyed at first when I actually got converted . I'd gone to all that work to expose Verdance on accident (sorry about that @Verdance, btw, you caught me at a bad time when you asked for a thread summary), and then I get pulled into a team that's been almost entirely outed.

It was a lot more common back in the early days of SE, since it went hand-in-hand with the heavier RP nature of those games, but I still like to note anytime I end up with something significant. The best item I have is definitely a Shard of Preservation that came from a game that wasn't really supposed to have any shards in it. And it wasn't too long ago that I won a duel against Aman for (nearly) all of the Honorblades.

Thanks! I appreciated your support in both of the last two cycles, as well as how effectively you pushed back the xino execution .

I'd also like to remind everyone that I am a Silly Old Bear, and that nobody should be concerned when I survive to the end of games. My first preliminary thought is that the pacing seemed a bit weird, in the sense that we could solve the game faster than we could act on our solving. A lot of our metacycle exes were determined in previous pseudocycles. I think a future run of this game might work better as either a 24/24 MR, or some combination of 24/48 (still a LG).

Yeah, but I was a Lurker, so that wouldn't have helped. I just wanted to kill both of you, and vote doubling would have stopped my NK.

Good game everyone! Props especially to @Hoid Slayer for fighting on to the end. And a big thanks to @The Unknown Medallion and @Through the living Wahr for running the game, as well as to @Jo and the Bush for IMing. I have some thoughts about the game mechanics that I'll collect in a later post, but I think the general concept here was a success. The pseudogame was extremely high-impact in determining the outcome of the metagame, both because the original elims had to be somewhat bold to win their bet, and because the conversion ultimately led to a win. I guess I can add the 17th Shard (website) to my list of SE collectibles, since I'm the only person left alive after this game .

Yeah, I think I'm going to go with my first impression here, which is you as the last elim. I could spend a lot of time second-guessing that, but I don't think it's worthwhile.

This is false. We know the latest the conversion could have happened is the cycle where we exed Qian (metacycle 6), since xino was inactive for metacycles 7 and 8, but there was a NK on metacycle 8. And there wasn't one on metacycle 7. So whoever the convert is, they + xino didn't send in a kill on metacycle 7. 1. The three of us have all been active, so that doesn't help sort things out here 2. If I had been an original elim, the consideration for converting you would be a stealth thing, rather than thread control. The elims were pretty exposed after the pseudogame ended (coco+Qian+mole), so they could have just been concerned with survival 3. You could have been converted after going after xino That's mostly to say that you don't have a foolproof alibi. The main thing in your favor, at least in my eyes, is that you voted for xino pretty easily last cycle, in contrast with Hoid, who was trying to get me killed all day against solid evidence and without any good reasoning of his own.

Yeah, I’ll see what Divergence has to say for himself. I’m not 100% settled on you as the last elim, but I’m definitely leaning significantly in that direction.