|TJ| he/him Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Condensation said: Sorry, I didn't get on in time. I was reading upstairs. Whom would you have voted for, if you could have?
Illwei Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, TJ Shade said: The evidence put forth so far seemed a little forced for me to support it and it looked more likely to be a mislynch. I do believe there's definitely an elim vote on Elkanah. I was mostly concerned that everyone seemed fine with killing Elk, and I would assume that the Elims wouldn't be that easy to let go of someone, when, like TJ said, there was less than half people voting at the time. it would have been easy for them to move the vote off of Elk. Especially Araris' vote doesn't sit right with me, but it doesn't make sense for Araris to switch onto Elk and be an Elim unless there was an Elim in danger, and the only other people were Turtle and Mist. I still don't think Turtle is an Elim, but I'm not so sure about Mist. either way- I don't know. I'm talking a lot and not saying anything. I just don't get why Araris.
Condensation she/her Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, TJ Shade said: Whom would you have voted for, if you could have? Maybe Mist? It's a... gut read(that's right, right?), but she does seem kind of off to me. I mean, I might have jumped on the 'Vote Ventyl' train because I didn't know what else to do.
Mist she/her Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 So I've been in meetings essentially all day yesterday and today. While I can write TLT and Discord texts easily while in Discord, it's a lot harder to write SE posts. I'm thinking I'll start ISOing people, because I think I can do that, but trying to remember stuff across the whole game while paying attention to my meeting is something I don't think I can do. Also, is there anyone who doesn't want PMs? 1
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 20 hours ago, Ashbringer said: A tie D1 is interesting. No vote manip is also interesting, but depending on Elk's alignment not necessarily surprising. Vote manip on a tie can do more harm then good sometimes. There aren't any downsides to vote manipulation in this game, so an elim Feruchemist could have interfered regardless of Elkanah's alignment. It looks like that didn't happen though. 4 hours ago, Condensation said: So... (correct me if I'm wrong) Illwei was either wrongfully suspicious or they picked up a good reason to act suspicious of Ventyl and get them lynched. Is that correct? Ventyl voting Elkanah for potentially being teammates with Turtle and/or being the HI by playing similarly to the LG70 monk was odd, but didn't have the strongest elim motive and it turns out this was because Ventyl was not an elim. 3 hours ago, TJ Shade said: Can someone explain why some people thought of Turtle-Elkanah team? I was suspicious of Turtle, but could never make the Turtle-Elk connection. Turtle-Elk was/is because Elk was suspicious of Turtle but didn't vote for her, while Turtle was interested in other people's reasons to vote Elk without casting a vote that way either.
Straw he/him Posted October 25, 2020 Author Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) ALASTAIR was inspecting the Hemalurgic Intelligence when it felt it reach out. It wasn't supposed to be able to do that, but this system was rather strange. ALASTAIR decided to try integrating in response. After all, this might be the only opportunity it'd get. [ERROR: INTEGRATION FAILED] [WARNING: HOSTILE ACTION DETECTED] [WARNING: DEFENSE MECHANISMS OFFLINE] [WARNING: SYSTEM CONTROL LOST] Gears has died! He was a Loyal Regular. Message #1: Needs no air, but breathes Has no crew, but a team Has no home, but houses Needs no sleep, but has a dream White is sus ndizpjfbkr kugdppkbdurd GM Notes: -The day will end on October 27th, at 5:00 PM EST. -The following players are receiving warnings for inactivity: @Orlok Tsubodai and @Experience. If they do not post this cycle, they will be replaced. -If you need a vote count, just @mention me and I'll give you one ASAP! -Remember that PMs are closed during the day. Player List: Spoiler 1. @Experience - Shard 2. Gears - ALASTAIR Loyal Regular 3. @Ashbringer - Faleast 4. @Illwei 5. @Elandera 6. @Condensation - Viola 7. @eltruT - turtle 8. @Elkanah 9. @Mist - Tria Noche 10. @Araris Valerian - Fade 11. @Lord_Silberfarben - Lord_Silberfarben 12. @Danex 13. @Whysper - Whysper 14. Ventyl - Lafay Etteax Loyal Regular 15. @Orlok Tsubodai - Locke Tekiel 16. @Vapor 17. @The Windrunner Supreme - COWS! 18. @Flyingbooks42 19. @Devotary of Spontaneity - Orchid 20. @TJ Shade 21. @Shard of Reading - Reading 22. @Amanuensis - Kon the Bard 23. @A Windrunner - Wind Edited October 25, 2020 by Straw 2
Illwei Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) So...the Elims tried to kill gears because they thought he might be the HI? Or maybe a spy Hemalurgist thought they might be a Hemalurgist? hm. Wouldn't be my first choice of a Kill. During the night I was told that there are 6 Hemalurgists in total. A larger number than I thought it might be, but I guess that's a bit over 25%. Edited October 25, 2020 by Illwei
dannnex male Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 Ok, so I’m still trying to figure out how this all works, and I think I’m starting to get it, but the HI still confuses me a little bit. Are they basically just a Traitor Kandra but with added restrictions (can’t access Traitor Doc, but also can’t die)? And then once all Loyal Hemalurgists are killed they just become the equivalent of a Traitor Kandra? 10 minutes ago, Illwei said: During the night I was told that there are 6 Hemalurgists in total. A larger number than I thought it might be, but I guess that's a bit over 25%. How do you know this?
Illwei Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 Just now, Danex said: Traitor Kandra? What's a...Traitor Kandra?... 1 minute ago, Danex said: How do you know this? *couch* *couch* 13 minutes ago, Illwei said: During the night I was told that there are 6 Hemalurgists in total. A larger number than I thought it might be, but I guess that's a bit over 25%.
dannnex male Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Illwei said: What's a...Traitor Kandra?... Someone in the Traitor faction who has the role Kandra. 3 minutes ago, Illwei said: During the night I was told Yeah, I know PMs are open at night, but how would anyone know that? Oh wait, Hemalurgists have a doc right?
Turtle they/them Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) How did I miss night? Wow. I really need to be better at this. 1 hour ago, Danex said: Oh wait, Hemalurgists have a doc right? Yeah. Six hemalurgists is way more than I thought. Which is really good. 1 hour ago, Illwei said: the Elims tried to kill gears because they thought he might be the HI I doubt they would try to kill the HI in early game when all 6 hemalurgists were alive (Illwei could be lying about there being six hemalurgists, but I think that is unlikely). I will go through N1 and see if there is anything of note there, depending on how much people talked. Edited October 25, 2020 by eltruT how did I manage to click space twice and not notice?
Illwei Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, eltruT said: I doubt they would try to kill the HI in early game when all 6 hemalurgists were alive I don't know. I don't know why they would think that Gears was a Hemalurgist. He was barely here. I don't know if there is a specific Elim!Hemalurgist/Vil!Hemalurgist ratio, but If there are 6 Hemalugists then I'd assume 4 Loyals in there. if I take that, then worst case scenario (we end up killing both Village Hemalurgists and the Elims hit the other hemalurgists) we have two cycles before basically mylo i think. I had gears/elk down as e/e for a fat minute, but...as Gears is village...then that is completely irrelevant. EDIT: I see Aman lurking quite a bit. I think I'm a bit paranoid because I completely ignored CadCom in the last game, and Aman is another experienced player that I haven't ever played with.... Edited October 25, 2020 by Illwei
+Whysper she/her Posted October 26, 2020 Posted October 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Illwei said: So...the Elims tried to kill gears because they thought he might be the HI? Or maybe a spy Hemalurgist thought they might be a Hemalurgist? hm. Wouldn't be my first choice of a Kill. The elims can't target the HI for a kill. Possibly they did think he was a Loyal Hemalurgist. Maybe an elim Hemalurgist thought they recognized him in their doc. I did village read Gears and was PMing with him last night. 3 hours ago, Illwei said: During the night I was told that there are 6 Hemalurgists in total. A larger number than I thought it might be, but I guess that's a bit over 25%. 2 hours ago, eltruT said: I doubt they would try to kill the HI in early game when all 6 hemalurgists were alive (Illwei could be lying about there being six hemalurgists, but I think that is unlikely). I received this info as well and can confirm it. I was surprised and relieved that there were this many, too.
Illwei Posted October 26, 2020 Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Whysper said: The elims can't target the HI for a kill. ? The Elims don't know who the HI is, and they can target the HI, they just won't be able to kill them, no? It would be an easy way to confirm someone as the HI without the village knowing. (easy being...well....not easy. I guess, because they do have to find them.)
+Whysper she/her Posted October 26, 2020 Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Illwei said: The Elims don't know who the HI is, and they can target the HI, they just won't be able to kill them, no? It would be an easy way to confirm someone as the HI without the village knowing. (easy being...well....not easy. I guess, because they do have to find them.) Okay, not sure on targeting then and whether the elims know who the HI is. I guess the game description just says they can't use kills on the HI. Quote The Traitors are not allowed to use any kills on the Hemalurgic Intelligence. But I don't know why the elims would intentionally use kills to figure out who the HI is. If they don't already know who the HI is, then actually they would specifically not target anyone they think is HI because they wouldn't want to waste kills. When the HI is freed and becomes killable, they will already find out who it is. Only village would care to find the HI early on because they would want to avoid killing the HI later. Edited October 26, 2020 by Whysper Fixed missing word
Straw he/him Posted October 26, 2020 Author Posted October 26, 2020 Clarification regarding that: that's specifically in the section regarding what happens when all of the Loyal Hemalurgists die. 1
+Whysper she/her Posted October 26, 2020 Posted October 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Straw said: Clarification regarding that: that's specifically in the section regarding what happens when all of the Loyal Hemalurgists die. Ahhh okay, thanks for the clarification. So yeah, the elims don't know who the HI is yet, but again, I think they would specifically want to avoid using kills on people they suspect are the HI so not to waste kills since they will already learn the identity of the HI when it becomes killable.
Condensation she/her Posted October 26, 2020 Posted October 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Illwei said: During the night I was told that there are 6 Hemalurgists in total. A larger number than I thought it might be, but I guess that's a bit over 25%. Okay, is that good or bad? Sorry, guys, I'm floundering. I have no idea what anything means. Is this how it is for your first time generally? Because I don't realize that things are important and I can't ask if things are important just in case it does something bad, so I'm completely... ugh. Mat/Straw, do you mind if I ask you lots of questions on our PM?
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 26, 2020 Posted October 26, 2020 The HI can scan players for their roles even before all the Hemalurgists die. If the Elims can find it, they can get access to that scan and prior results earlier, and maybe even use it to track down the Hemalurgists. Even better if they can do so through PMs. So there is some value for the Elims to finding the HI earlier.
Elandera she/her Posted October 26, 2020 Posted October 26, 2020 I doubt Gears was killed because of the HI claim. If the elims hit someone who survives, it's either the HI or the Voidbringer and the village can then avoid lynching them until they know for sure which role they have. It doesn't play to their hand to accidentally attack the HI. My suspicion at the moment is that Gears was killed more for the lack of information it would provide (common strategy early in games), or for the comments he made during the night cycle about the D1 lynch swing. His posts during the day were all pretty benign and mostly consisted of not having the time to keep up with the ever-moving thread. Then at night, he posted these: ..... wait. When did they get rid of the direct post link function? How long have I been away??? Anyways, he posted a breakdown of the votes on what's now page 15 of the thread, then a follow-up breakdown of his suspicions. Spoiler Quote Quote I'm just as suspicious of Elk, if not more, given the sudden influx of votes that saved him from the lynch. I've sent a PM his way to see if I can determine his alignment better with some 1-on-1 interaction. I'll have more to say on the matter during the next day turn If Elkanah is an elim, it is very likely that some of the voters on Ventyl are elims. The sudden Ventyl swing is strange, though that post was contradictory and strange. Devotary typically votes last minute, eltruT seems to have a tendency to follow votes, Illwei started the Ventyl vote, and TJ agreed with it. If any of these people are elims, I would suspect eltruT and TJ, though since eltruT is new, I'm inclined to think better of them. If Illwei was an elim, they could have started a train onto someone with votes on them already. TJ just followed Illwei's reasoning. @Elkanah, I would like to see evidence that you are working on a spreadsheet. A screenshot, perhaps, or a list of conclusions. Mentioning a non-existent spreadsheet is a good way to look helpful but do nothing. Quote I still hold suspicions towards Elk, but I actually still need to review more posts. I didn't get much chance today. However, I doubt that the influx of votes on Ventyl were elims trying to save Elk. That would be too bold and just draw too much suspicion on them. At most, maybe one elim was involved in that. Probably so, though depending on Elkanah's role, they might have taken a greater risk. If Elkanah was, for instance, the only elim Hemalurgist, it would be paramount to avoid their untimely demise. Gears seemed most suspicious of Elkanah, elruT, and TJ. I'm not sure I agree entirely with all of that, but it's possible there are at least two elims among the list of players he called out. Right now, I'm a little more suspicious of Illwei, as from what I remember (I haven't had the time and energy to read through the entire thread so far), they seemed to be trying to avoid any vote at all on Elkanah. All of that hinges, though, on Elkanah being elim. So, let's get voting started, shall we? Elkanah
|TJ| he/him Posted October 26, 2020 Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) Spoiler In all fairness, there's no evidence of either village or traitor alignment from Elk. I'd like to see the spreadsheet of his before voting. @Elkanah, you can just copy from the spreadsheet and paste it here. Edited October 26, 2020 by TJ Shade
Illwei Posted October 26, 2020 Posted October 26, 2020 54 minutes ago, Elandera said: Gears seemed most suspicious of Elkanah, elruT, and TJ. In my chat with Gears they kind of defended Elk, which is what led me to think it was e/e. (honesty I'm never going to read gears as village until he rolls elim at least once. like-) I do think that TJ's flip felt weerd, but also that, yeah. it depend on Elk's flip. I'm not sure what's going on with Elk, but I don't think I want to vote on him rn. Aman
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 26, 2020 Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Elandera said: I doubt Gears was killed because of the HI claim. If you mean him RP'ing as ALISTAIR, he chose that name (and I assume that general idea) before the game started. So unless the Elims collectively forgot that, then yeah, probably not. I'm going to have to look back at Elk vs Ventyl... I only got a peak at people shifting onto Ventyl and not why. But that will be tomorrow.
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