Long Game 71: A Cosmere Odyssey

[+Whysper she/her]

27 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I don't think that...well, I haven't been here all that long, but I don't remember a time that someone died and we just immediately started killing all their Elim reads. You take them into account, but you can't just...blindly start...executing people...like that... 

Oh, sorry to imply it's immediate. It's more like all those reads stay under suspicion. Others are still taken into account, but there's a strong pull to look to that list.

28 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Essentially, I find it too contradictory and coincidental that Elandera was unwilling to vote Elkanah D1, but after a night kill that barely incriminates him, immediately votes for Elkanah today. While her first post this round could come from a villager mindset, it feels too convenient

Well, yes, you may have a point when you combine their stance/wording D1 and D2.

[Coffeecat she/her]

UUUUUGHHHH

of course i cant post

im totally not posting right now, this is called avoiding the filter.

but seriously, there are too many people for me to be able to keep up

when there are less people i will be able to analyze and vote properly

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Hmm. Elandera claims the point of the Gears lynch was likely to deny information, and then votes based on said elim kill. Presumably the elims would have taken Gears’s reads post into consideration when they killed him, if their goal was to manipulate the information the village has access to. Elkanah is also probably the “easiest” lynch for today, in the sense that he has drawn a fair amount of attention and that we would understand the D1 lynch better by knowing his alignment.

5 hours ago, Whysper said:

What has happened a lot recently at my homesite FoL is for Elims to kill the person who is usually trusted with their reads but happens to have them wrong this time. Most Villagers will look at that read list and start killing them off. I don't know if that happens much here. And I'm not sure if I found out yet whether Gears is someone usually considered correct on his reads.

I have used this tactic before as an elim, so it definitely happens around here too. Gears hasn’t been around for too long, so I’m not sure if we have a good feel for the accuracy of his reads yet.

I’m going to be really busy today, so I’ll vote Elandera, and then hopefully have a chance to check the thread this afternoon and reevaluate. 

Edit: Reading

Edited October 27, 2020 by Araris Valerian
Need to retract my old vote I guess

[Turtle they/them]

Ok, read list here we go.

Whysper: She seems to be giving a lot of analysis and generally helpful, but I have no idea how she usually plays. 
Elkanah: I really want some reasoning for voting mist. I really, really do. 
Elendara:  First post D2 they say they are suspicious of Illwei, then vote Elkanah because they think that if Elkanah is an elim Illwei is too. The reason they voted for Elkanah (From what I can tell) so that they could tell if Illwei was an elim. To me, this isn't really that suspicious (I was kind of doing it too). I'm going to look over her reasoning again, but for now I need to eat food.

7 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

Turtle suspects a Mist-someone team as well as Elkanah, and then votes on... Condensation, for no visible reason. @eltruT, can you explain this more?

Uhh... no. I guess my wording was unclear. I suspect that it is condensation, not mist. It could still be mist, but I just think a couple things condensation said in PM make me suspicious of her. Agh my wording still isn't clear. Basically I think that if Condensation is an elim mist is not an elim. 

Edited October 27, 2020 by eltruT
I clicked command enter instead of shift enter :P

[Shard of Reading he/him]

12 hours ago, Elkanah said:

Which doc did you read??

I meant the thread. I accidentally mispoke.

Edit(After finishing the thread): @eltruT I find it funny that you ask Elk for a explanation when you gave the same vote with little reasoning.

@Whysper the only person that would likely be killed because of their reads would probably be @Orlok Tsubodai. The only other actual game I played with them the pegged half the elim team in 48 hours.

Edited October 27, 2020 by Shard of Reading

[Turtle they/them]

30 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said:

Edit(After finishing the thread): @eltruT I find it funny that you ask Elk for a explanation when you gave the same vote with little reasoning.

Um well yeah that's not really it. I'm voting Condensation because of stuff in PM's. Elk is voting Mist because my vote... did something? I just want to know how my vote made him think mist was elim.      

[+Whysper she/her]

49 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

I’m going to be really busy today, so I’ll vote Elandera, and then hopefully have a chance to check the thread this afternoon and reevaluate.

Interesting that Elandera may become a wagon for EoD. I guess the reasoning Aman and Araris present isn't bad, and I would probably put Elandera in the PoE as well, though for later down the line.

36 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said:

@Whysper the only person that would likely be killed because of their reads would probably be @Orlok Tsubodai.

Ahhh, thank you for the insight. Hopefully I'll get a chance to play with them someday.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

4 minutes ago, Whysper said:

Ahhh, thank you for the insight. Hopefully I'll get a chance to play with them someday.

Orlok is in this game, although he's gone inactive. Hopefully he shows up to dodge the filter, since he's very fun to play with.

Also, @Illwei, I have you as mild village right now, but your vote seems kind of random and you haven't really engaged with the lynch this cycle, just the lynch discussion. Do you plan to change your vote around?

[Straw he/him]

11 hours ago, eltruT said:

Can someone get a vote count? @Straw @Matrim's Dice

Elandera (2): Amanuensis, Araris Valerian
eltruT (2): Ashbringer, Whysper
Mist (2): Elkanah, The Windrunner Supreme
Condensation (1): eltruT
Illwei (1): Illwei
TJ Shade (1): Shard of Reading

9 hours ago, The Windrunner Supreme said:

I dont really know who is elim. @Straw @Matrim's Dice - What happens if the H.I. is inactive? Do they still die? Also, I am changing my vote to mist

If the HI is inactive then I'd try to find a pinch hitter. If I couldn't find a pinch hitter than I'm not entirely sure what I'd do. I'll think about it.

1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said:

Edit: Reading

BTW, you don't have to green out old votes if you're just switching to a new person.

[|TJ| he/him]

Just realized that Elkanah did not vote in self-preservation. Huh. I think he wasn't around at the time the voting on Ventyl began, but still elims would have stronger self-preservation instincts because they are lesser in number and have much more a sense of responsibility towards their teammates than villagers? Does that make sense? Or do villagers and elims have equal self preservation instincts?

On 10/26/2020 at 9:24 AM, Elandera said:

Gears seemed most suspicious of Elkanah, elruT, and TJ. 

I'm not sure I agree entirely with all of that, but it's possible there are at least two elims among the list of players he called out. Right now, I'm a little more suspicious of Illwei, as from what I remember (I haven't had the time and energy to read through the entire thread so far), they seemed to be trying to avoid any vote at all on Elkanah. 

23 hours ago, Elandera said:

Sorry, I was unclear. I meant of the whole chunk of people he mentioned regarding the vote, which would include Elkanah, Illwei, eltruT, TJ, Devotary. Two among those five is more likely, especially if the vote was an effort to save elim!Elkanah.

I'm mildly suspicious of you, but starting a swing in votes late in the turn is a bold elim move. TJ's vote seemed opportunistic in timing. EltruT's vote I'm probably least suspicious of because that seemed to be their general vote pattern: vote on whomever others are voting on at the time. Devotary's vote was... Well, Devotary. Pretty NAI and common for them. 

Of all of them, if Elkanah turns out to be elim, I'd be most likely to look into you or TJ.

Really confused about suspicion on Illwei (on the assumption that Elkanah is elim) since Illwei was the 3rd person to vote on Elkanah, and kept it till 3 hrs before EoD. 

On 10/26/2020 at 7:33 PM, Shard of Reading said:

Sooo... I wasn't here on Sunday because it was my mom's birthday and I can't post SE analysis while singing happy birthday can I? I just re-read the doc and I reaaaaaly didn't like the way the vote moved onto vently at the last second that just seemed really off. To be fair I did skim his post but knowing he was village I thought that Illwei and TJ shade's votes seemed off too me. I'm cutting Turtle some slack because they are still fairly new and Devotary seemed like they put more thought into their vote than Illwei and TJ. Although I suspect both of them, I'm thinking that TJ shade can get my vote.

Very very similar to Elandera's post. I suspect two elims making the same points, but setting up lynch between two different villagers. 

Reading and Elandera defended Turtle on D1, and Elandera defended Mist as well. 

I'm genuinely confused about the whole Mist/Condensation/Turtle thing. 

I was wondering about the "why kill Gears" discussion and found something interesting while going back through the thread:

Quote

Yo, fun Tactic: all Hemalurgists should use extremely formal speech. just- extremely formal. so no one can figure out who you are. completely foolproof plan :P.

So, possibly, someone took @Illwei's advice and used formal speech...

Quote

Yeah they'd be looking at speech patterns. Personally I'd probably find it easy to find Experience or maybe Gears. From what I've heard of Whysper, she and Mist sound a lot alike... idk. things like that.

... and the elim Hemalurgist/s mistook their speech for Gears' since he uses formal speech as well, and killed him because they thought he was a Hemalurgist? I personally think this is more likely than elims finding something in what Gears told (I went back and checked, I couldn't find anything that could be perceived as threat to elims) or killing Gears to provide no information because a] there were other candidates to give even lesser information on their death; b] pretty sure they'd be some elims who would discourage a kill on Gears as he gets killed early a lot in recent games; and c] Elims' first priority would be to find village Hemalurgists and not just killing someone so they do not provide any info. 

8 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Now, a night later and at a new day's start, you already know who's going to die ahead of time, and you know the exact reason why the elims chose them. So what do you do? A: reason the kill was likely to keep us from gaining much information and let other players bring up new leads, or B: reason the kill was likely to keep us from gaining much information, then find a way to spin it so a villager we almost lynched on D1 is guilty and vote for them, with hopes of funneling the discussion/votes into already-explored territory and thus distract the villagers further?

Analysing kills is a very useful tool. I've used myself to pool in a bunch of suspects and begin PoE. But stating Gears was probably killed not to give information, but still proceeds to extract information from his posts is suspicious indeed. Plus the assumption (that Gears was killed not to provide much info) strays away from my guess (in the above para), which could be a distraction from the truth.

Reads:
Village: Illwei, Ashbringer, Whysper, Elkanah
Elim: Elandera, Reading, Turtle?, Mist?

Sort of vary about Aman and Araris team, as they seem to have the same thoughts both D1 and D2, but my suspicion for Elandera overcomes my caution towards one or both of Aman and Araris misguiding us.

EDIT: @Straw, the vote on Elandera was just bolded the first time. Tagging to let you know.

Edited October 27, 2020 by TJ Shade
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[Shard of Reading he/him]

Spoiler

4 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

Just realized that Elkanah did not vote in self-preservation. Huh. I think he wasn't around at the time the voting on Ventyl began, but still elims would have stronger self-preservation instincts because they are lesser in number and have much more a sense of responsibility towards their teammates than villagers? Does that make sense? Or do villagers and elims have equal self preservation instincts?

Really confused about suspicion on Illwei (on the assumption that Elkanah is elim) since Illwei was the 3rd person to vote on Elkanah, and kept it till 3 hrs before EoD. 

Very very similar to Elandera's post. I suspect two elims making the same points, but setting up lynch between two different villagers. 

Reading and Elandera defended Turtle on D1, and Elandera defended Mist as well. 

I'm genuinely confused about the whole Mist/Condensation/Turtle thing. 

I was wondering about the "why kill Gears" discussion and found something interesting while going back through the thread:

So, possibly, someone took @Illwei's advice and used formal speech...

... and the elim Hemalurgist/s mistook their speech for Gears' since he uses formal speech as well, and killed him because they thought he was a Hemalurgist? I personally think this is more likely than elims finding something in what Gears told (I went back and checked, I couldn't find anything that could be perceived as threat to elims) or killing Gears to provide no information because a] there were other candidates to give even lesser information on their death; b] pretty sure they'd be some elims who would discourage a kill on Gears as he gets killed early a lot in recent games; and c] Elims' first priority would be to find village Hemalurgists and not just killing someone so they do not provide any info. 

Analysing kills is a very useful tool. I've used myself to pool in a bunch of suspects and begin PoE. But stating Gears was probably killed not to give information, but still proceeds to extract information from his posts is suspicious indeed. Plus the assumption (that Gears was killed not to provide much info) strays away from my guess (in the above para), which could be a distraction from the truth.

Reads:
Village: Illwei, Ashbringer, Whysper, Elkanah
Elim: Elandera, Reading, Turtle?, Mist?

Sort of vary about Aman and Araris team, as they seem to have the same thoughts both D1 and D2, but my suspicion for Elandera overcomes my caution towards one or both of Aman and Araris misguiding us.

 

Umm... If you wanted to vote Elandera you bolded it, and did not put it in red.

[Flyingbooks]

I haven't had much time to read this because I have lots of homework and I don't know how to analyze people's speech patterns, voting patterns, or how people act when they're elims or villagers. The arguments for Elandera being an elim seem pretty good though, so I guess I'll vote Elandera.

[Mist she/her]

Text for copying. 

12 hours ago, Illwei said:

Where did this come from? because that's not the first thing I see. 

Uhhh...Does it annoy you? I can stop?

?

It's the first hypothesis I made or the first thing I saw. 

I find couch a little odd as well, but whatever. 

11 hours ago, Whysper said:

There are 3 Elims, so even if 1 or even 2 are new, the chances of all 3 being new seems quite low. So this is odd to point this out and basically shade all newer players.

Thank you for providing this insight about Turtle.

No, I don't think it does. I don't see reason to believe that you and Turtle are necessarily tied together alignment-wise.

Very strange interaction. I feel like I'm completely missing something.

Is that what explains their interaction? I'm hoping Elk will actually explain.

Usually the elim percentage is 20-30% depending on distribution. I'd guess 4 or 5 and the HI. 6 would probably be a bit much IMO, but if the village had strong roles, it could be balanced. 

10 hours ago, Illwei said:

I mean, and technically red and green...the voting colors..

...okay I guess the right thing to say would have been "I don't see that" because I didn't really see anything else :P. I was just confused all around. I was thinking that if Elk thought that Turtle was doing some sort of distancing thing from Mist then why wouldn't he just stay on Turtle?

Maybe he had a higher suspicion on me anyways? 

10 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

In interest of getting a vote out before I forget tomorrow... Turtle. Elk's come back and done analysis, and seems to suspect a Turtle-Mist team; Turtle suspects a Mist-someone team as well as Elkanah, and then votes on... Condensation, for no visible reason. @eltruT, can you explain this more?

I'd also appreciate @Mist's input here - do you suspect a Elk-Turtle team? Because if so then we have a nice little suspicion circle and are one step closer to Aman's secret wincon.

Yes. No, not really. 

22 hours ago, Whysper said:

And what's this? Going back to voting for Mist when specifically not thinking they are elim? And what's all that about if Mist isn't elim then someone else is? Isn't that just obvious??

/vote eltruT

BTW, I still haven't completed dropped my suspicions about Elk, but I think this might be where to go today.

By the way, you can just vote by saying their name in red. We don't have a program that collects votes like some other places. 

9 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

Not able to post below the quote so here we go:

If you press enter twice in a quote, it'll jump you out of the quote.

I'll post some amount of reads and a vote before the cycle's over. 

[Illwei]

3 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

Also, @Illwei, I have you as mild village right now, but your vote seems kind of random and you haven't really engaged with the lynch this cycle, just the lynch discussion. Do you plan to change your vote around?

Uh, well, I don't know what to think, honestly. I really doubt that it's an Araris-Aman-Elk team, but there's part of me that's worried that the Elims are the only people active right now. hehe. @Elandera

I'd also like to hear Elk's reasoning for his Mist vote, if that's going to come out before rollover.

1 hour ago, TJ Shade said:

So, possibly, someone took @Illwei's advice and used formal speech..

Oh, I didn't even think about that...it...uh...if that is the case...uh...sorry gears...

EDIT:

4 hours ago, Shard of Reading said:

The only person that would likely be killed because of their reads would probably be @Orlok Tsubodai. The only other actual game I played with them the pegged half the elim team in 48 hours.

I would also put Kas in that list, as in both QF46 and LG68 they got the Elim team pretty much. 

Edited October 27, 2020 by Illwei

[Shard of Reading he/him]

16 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I would also put Kas in that list, as in both QF46 and LG68 they got the Elim team pretty much. 

I've only ever played with Orlok, but if you say so.

[Elkanah he/him]

Glutton for punishment 

14 hours ago, Vapor said:

I understood that reference.

14 hours ago, Vapor said:

The tight thing? I think so. Or am I just not cool enough so I've only seen it in that one thing and so I think that's the only place its in...

Pitch Meeting These are pretty good.  I'm glad you caught it.

 

14 hours ago, Mist said:

I'm guessing Elk is thinking a turtle-Mist team, with turtle trying to distance but not get me voted out. 

12 hours ago, Whysper said:

Is that what explains their interaction? I'm hoping Elk will actually explain.

12 hours ago, Illwei said:

Honestly I thought he was about to because he hopped online, but apparently...he needs...to wait...for something... ...

10 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

In interest of getting a vote out before I forget tomorrow... Turtle. Elk's come back and done analysis, and seems to suspect a Turtle-Mist team; Turtle suspects a Mist-someone team as well as Elkanah, and then votes on... Condensation, for no visible reason. @eltruT, can you explain this more?

I'd also appreciate @Mist's input here - do you suspect a Elk-Turtle team? Because if so then we have a nice little suspicion circle and are one step closer to Aman's secret wincon.

3 hours ago, eltruT said:

Ok, read list here we go.

Elkanah: I really want some reasoning for voting mist. I really, really do. 
Elendara:  First post D2 they say they are suspicious of Illwei, then vote Elkanah because they think that if Elkanah is an elim Illwei is too. The reason they voted for Elkanah (From what I can tell) so that they could tell if Illwei was an elim. To me, this isn't really that suspicious (I was kind of doing it too). I'm going to look over her reasoning again, but for now I need to eat food.

Uhh... no. I guess my wording was unclear. I suspect that it is condensation, not mist. It could still be mist, but I just think a couple things condensation said in PM make me suspicious of her. Agh my wording still isn't clear. Basically I think that if Condensation is an elim mist is not an elim. 

3 hours ago, eltruT said:

Um well yeah that's not really it. I'm voting Condensation because of stuff in PM's. Elk is voting Mist because my vote... did something? I just want to know how my vote made him think mist was elim.      

So, I jumped to a lot of conclusions very fast after Turtle's vote switch.

Step 1: Turtle voted for Mist and claimed it was PM reasons.

Step 2: Turtle said either Mist or the other person was an elim (seer vs. false seer)

Step 3: Turtle said she would be betraying trust if she revealed to who or why.

Step 4: Turtle changes her vote to someone who would have logically checked on Mist and forced the dichotomy.

Step 5: I assume Condensation has some kind of Seer ability and has outed Mist

Step 6: I vote for Mist for the implied Condensation seer claim

Step 7: I sleep on it.

Step 8: I reread the rules and realize there is no alignment seer

Step 9: I retract my vote on Mist

11 hours ago, Whysper said:

Is Gears known to be a strong town player?

I definitely think he is. My first game with him, he pulled an Orlock and found the entire elim team on cycle 2. I think he's only survived cycle 1 once since then.

[Vapor she/her]

9 minutes ago, Elkanah said:

These are pretty good.  I'm glad you caught it.

Oh sweet I was thinking of what you were thinking

[Illwei]

10 minutes ago, Elkanah said:

I definitely think he is. My first game with him, he pulled an Orlock and found the entire elim team on cycle 2. I think he's only survived cycle 1 once since then.

My thing is, Gears' death, if not because of something Hemalurgist, makes me want to think it's you, because you've said that before about Gears, so it would make sense for you to kill gears.

Elk, what are your thoughts on the Elandera train?

[Elandera she/her]

Well, I'm not sure what to say to the suspicion.

It's not uncommon for me to be hesitant about lynches D1 recently, especially since I've been unable to follow the threads as closely as I was about a year ago. With the little I knew about the threads D1, I didn't understand the logic behind suspicion of Elkanah.

@Amanuensis @Araris Valerian

I would like to refute the suggestion I said flat out the kill was denial of information and then voted based on opposite reasoning. This is what I said (bold/italic updated):

On 10/25/2020 at 8:54 PM, Elandera said:

My suspicion at the moment is that Gears was killed more for the lack of information it would provide (common strategy early in games), or for the comments he made during the night cycle about the D1 lynch swing. His posts during the day were all pretty benign and mostly consisted of not having the time to keep up with the ever-moving thread.

Then at night, he posted these:

..... wait. When did they get rid of the direct post link function? How long have I been away???

Anyways, he posted a breakdown of the votes on what's now page 15 of the thread, then a follow-up breakdown of his suspicions.

I moved forward under the assumption of the second option for my suspicion and subsequent vote.

[Illwei]

Hmm.

Condensation

[Condensation she/her]

12 hours ago, Whysper said:

Ahhh, I'm getting mixed up with another game I'm tabbing between on SC2 Mafia. There's known to be 3 Elims there. I guess we don't know the exact number here.

This seems kind of suspicious, maybe that's a really good excuse? I don't know. Can someone refute the SC2 Mafia 3 Elims thing?

11 hours ago, Illwei said:

I have a question for all of you:

Say you have a top suspicion, but you are equally if not more suspicious of that person being a Hemalurgist. do you let them live, or kill them anyway, knowing that you might advance the Elims greater towards their goals than killing a vanilla player, or do you let them live knowing that they might be an Elim?

(see end)

5 hours ago, eltruT said:

Uhh... no. I guess my wording was unclear. I suspect that it is condensation, not mist. It could still be mist, but I just think a couple things condensation said in PM make me suspicious of her. Agh my wording still isn't clear. Basically I think that if Condensation is an elim mist is not an elim. 

I really want to know what these things are. I think you might be reading me wrong?

3 hours ago, Straw said:

Elandera (2): Amanuensis, Araris Valerian
eltruT (2): Ashbringer, Whysper
Mist (2): Elkanah, The Windrunner Supreme
Condensation (1): eltruT
Illwei (1): Illwei
TJ Shade (1): Shard of Reading

If the HI is inactive then I'd try to find a pinch hitter. If I couldn't find a pinch hitter than I'm not entirely sure what I'd do. I'll think about it.

BTW, you don't have to green out old votes if you're just switching to a new person.

This and Illwei's vote mean that I'm now tied with everyone else, right? I have a 1/4 chance of dying if it continues like this?

2 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

I'm genuinely confused about the whole Mist/Condensation/Turtle thing. 

... and the elim Hemalurgist/s mistook their speech for Gears' since he uses formal speech as well, and killed him because they thought he was a Hemalurgist? I personally think this is more likely than elims finding something in what Gears told (I went back and checked, I couldn't find anything that could be perceived as threat to elims) or killing Gears to provide no information because a] there were other candidates to give even lesser information on their death; b] pretty sure they'd be some elims who would discourage a kill on Gears as he gets killed early a lot in recent games; and c] Elims' first priority would be to find village Hemalurgists and not just killing someone so they do not provide any info. 

Me too, you're not the only one. So... Turtle thinks that either Mist or I am an elim, but not both? And that switch made Elkanah suspicious of

1 hour ago, Illwei said:

Uh, well, I don't know what to think, honestly. I really doubt that it's an Araris-Aman-Elk team, but there's part of me that's worried that the Elims are the only people active right now. hehe. @Elandera

 

(see end) Does Illwei know the elims? Probably not. This is really nothing.

20 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Hmm.

Condensation

Okay. Read through everything and I'm much less startled because I think I know the reason for this.

You may notice I've quoted a good number of Illwei's posts. They seem suspicious to me, knowing what I know and I don't know if I should tell people this, like if it makes me a target or something. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong.

But if I think I'm going to die, I think you guys need to know this. Agh I just don't know.

If I think I know what Illwei is but don't know if I should tell people in case it makes me a target, what advice would you give me and what's your reasoning/reason that I can trust you?

[Turtle they/them]

4 minutes ago, Condensation said:

This and Illwei's vote mean that I'm now tied with everyone else, right? I have a 1/4 chance of dying if it continues like this?

No, you missed TJ's vote on Elandera.

4 minutes ago, Condensation said:

Okay. Read through everything and I'm much less startled because I think I know the reason for this.

You may notice I've quoted a good number of Illwei's posts. They seem suspicious to me, knowing what I know and I don't know if I should tell people this, like if it makes me a target or something. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong.

But if I think I'm going to die, I think you guys need to know this. Agh I just don't know.

If I think I know what Illwei is but don't know if I should tell people in case it makes me a target, what advice would you give me and what's your reasoning/reason that I can trust you?

You know, this sort of makes sense... now I don't know what to do!! Just... You might want to re read what you just wrote and think on it. 

Edited October 27, 2020 by eltruT
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[Illwei]

Welp, in hindsight, that was an incredibly stupid move for me to make 

Condensation

I didn't think a lot before I posted, but now that I think of it your response tells me nothing because you're a new player. wonderful. great.

If you're not an elim, and the elims didn't see what was going on then they do now

---

I don't know what I'll need to clear up: but just in case here:

I claimed Hemalurgist to Connie because of info I got from my supposed Hemalurgist contact, I then PM'd Turtle because I trust turtle so far, and told her what I was doing. 

I was hoping I'd be able to do more tonight but I'm giving up on that for the sake of clarity here. This is what I know about the situation.

Edited October 27, 2020 by Illwei

[Condensation she/her]

9 minutes ago, eltruT said:

No, you missed TJ's vote on Elandera.

You know, this sort of makes sense... now I don't know what to do!! Just... You might want to re read what you just wrote and think on it. 

Okay...

9 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Welp, in hindsight, that was an incredibly stupid move for me to make 

Condensation

I didn't think a lot before I posted, but now that I think of it your response tells me nothing because you're a new player. wonderful. great.

If you're not an elim, and the elims didn't see what was going on then they do now

See, and now you're backpedaling because I might know what you are, and me knowing/telling what you are would be bad. This just makes me think that I'm right.

Thanks for taking it off, I can breathe easier now.

Now I don't know if I should tell because I could still get (what is it?) night-killed for what I might know. Let me think this over.

[Elandera she/her]

21 minutes ago, Condensation said:

This and Illwei's vote mean that I'm now tied with everyone else, right? I have a 1/4 chance of dying if it continues like this?

You're pretty well safe at the moment, unless there's another last hour vote swing, which I doubt.

Elandera (4): Amanuensis, Araris Valerian, TJ, Flyingbooks
eltruT (2): Ashbringer, Whysper
Mist (1): The Windrunner Supreme
Condensation (1): eltruT
TJ Shade (1): Shard of Reading