Long Game 71: A Cosmere Odyssey

[Turtle they/them]

12 minutes ago, Lotus said:

...Hello?

Sunwalker pushed open the door to the top deck. "Hi. Err... so someone called me Locke Tekiel on the way up here, but see... I can't remember anything. I woke up like two hours ago in the hold with a busted barrel of wine and a huge headache. I think someone was talking to me, I was asleep... Anyway, call me Sun. That seems like a right name. Also, I heard that a lot of people are dying on this ship. For some reason that doesn't surprise me. Maybe I've been in a situation like that before."

"Anyway, would someone mind telling me where this ship is heading?"

_________________________

I was following a long a bit but not very closely  so I'll have to either do some major backlogging or just pretend to!

Turtle looked at the person in the doorway. "Yeah. Lots of people dying. There's a group of people among us who want to kill everyone, and we're trying to figure out who they are. The ship's headed to. First of the Sun, if we make it that far." 

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Illwei I don't know what to think. This is scary. How many Elantrians are there?

Edit: Not quite what I meant. Can there be multiple Elantrians? 

Edited October 28, 2020 by eltruT

[Condensation she/her]

36 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Owch.

That was not unexpected, to tell you the truth.

I was hoping that the Elims would want to keep me alive, seeing as I've figured out who all the Hemalurgists are, but since they've tried to kill me... :(... that's dissappointing. Or disconserting. either one.
Anyways-

Hi Lotus! how to it be do! Hope you...can...get...caught up....uh... There's a lot of posts this game. so. yeah. have fun. :).

Experience, do you have any thoughts? that is...if...you have gotten...caught up already... :).

da ba dee da ba die

Yikes. Also, you get a rep for that joke.

1 minute ago, eltruT said:

Turtle looked at the person in the doorway. "Yeah. Lots of people dying. There's a group of people among us who want to kill everyone, and we're trying to figure out who they are. The ship's headed to. First of the Sun, if we make it that far." 

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Illwei I don't know what to think. This is scary. How many Elantrians are there?

Edit: Not quite what I meant. Can there be multiple Elantrians? 

I ran into you...

[Illwei]

24 minutes ago, Elkanah said:

No complaints here though

I have some mild complaints, I got stabbed in the back! I also have a few more suspicions. but I don't know how safe they are to say.

24 minutes ago, Elkanah said:

Welcome Lotus. Let's see if you are truly immune to death

This very much sounds like a threat.

1 minute ago, eltruT said:

Illwei I don't know what to think. This is scary. How many Elantrians are there?

What's scary? that you might think I'm the HI? if so, there's not much I can do to you if I am. The HI can't kill, it can't even talk to the Elim team right now haha. if you think I'm the HI then just ignore me.

Just making sure: Whoever saved me, don't come out and claim. you probably assume this already, just making sure.

[Turtle they/them]

1 minute ago, Condensation said:

Yikes. Also, you get a rep for that joke.

I ran into you...

Yeah... but this is later? Maybe? 

[Illwei]

Oh, right. I forgot.

Araris 

 

[Turtle they/them]

4 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Oh, right. I forgot.

Araris 

 

Do you want to share any reasoning for this? Guys look at my first post in the thread. I made a among us joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: This might sound harsh... I suddenly realize your earlier post kind of has reasoning, so yeah. 

Edited October 28, 2020 by eltruT

[Araris Valerian he/him]

@Lotus I would just pretend. There have been a lot of posts that weren't very game relevant, so sorting through them probably isn't worth the time. You should be able to get a feel for things based on how the lynch goes this cycle.

Here's a list of everyone living who was on lynch train (at least one other vote with them) come end of cycle during days 1 and 2:

Amanuensis, Araris Valerian, Whysper, Devotary of Spontaneity, eltruT, Illwei, TJ Shade, Flyingbooks42, Shard of Reading, Elkanah

Since we have 2 village flips, these don't give a lot of information by themselves. I'm also not the best at breaking down lynch arguments to find inconsistencies.

That leaves:

Experience, Ashbringer, Condensation, Mist, Lord Silb, Danex, Lotus, Vapor, Windrunner Supreme, and A Windrunner as players that haven't given us very much concrete to work with. Experience and Lotus are excused for now, but I'm willing to bet that several elims are hiding in this group. In particular, I've played games with Ashbringer, Mist, and Silberfalen before, and I would expect them to have contributed more by now. My vote is on Ash for now since he was involved in the lynch last cycle but backed off toward the end.

5 minutes ago, eltruT said:

Do you want to share any reasoning for this? Guys look at my first post in the thread. I made a among us joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

I'd guess he's fishing for information. It would fit with knowing the identities of all the Hemalurgists.

[+Lotus she/her]

@Araris Valerian Eh thank you. I’ll probably look over the day cycles at least though

Edited October 28, 2020 by Lotus

[Coffeecat she/her]

1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said:

Silberfalen before, and I would expect them to have contributed more by now

Really?

 

i never contribute till cycle 5 or so

[Ashbringer he/him]

I thought I followed this thread...

I've been relatively busy... but I thought my reason for canceling my vote on Turtle was relatively clear. I was mostly suspicious of them because of their suspicion of Condensation having no backing, and then Illwei supplied a fair reason for that suspicion (and why the backing wasn't shared). I was also mostly reading Elandra as village with a good defense, and Condensation was being... weird, but not Elim-y. I feel like an Elim would pay better attention to those type of things. So I didn't really want any of the candidates dead, and there wasn't much I could do to change it in the time I had.

Got to head out for an hour or two, but I might be able to get a better read list in today or tomorrow.

[Illwei]

3 hours ago, eltruT said:

Edit: This might sound harsh... I suddenly realize your earlier post kind of has reasoning, so yeah

? First of all, how is this Harsh? lol. Second of all, How did my earlier post have reasoning?

EDIT:

PLEASE explain

Edited October 29, 2020 by Illwei

[Condensation she/her]

5 hours ago, eltruT said:

Yeah... but this is later? Maybe? 

Okay, sure. Whatever.

5 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

Experience, Ashbringer, Condensation, Mist, Lord Silb, Danex, Lotus, Vapor, Windrunner Supreme, and A Windrunner as players that haven't given us very much concrete to work with. Experience and Lotus are excused for now, but I'm willing to bet that several elims are hiding in this group. In particular, I've played games with Ashbringer, Mist, and Silberfalen before, and I would expect them to have contributed more by now. My vote is on Ash for now since he was involved in the lynch last cycle but backed off toward the end.

I'm confused. Oh wait, you mean on votes? I don't really know who to vote for.

2 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

I've been relatively busy... but I thought my reason for canceling my vote on Turtle was relatively clear. I was mostly suspicious of them because of their suspicion of Condensation having no backing, and then Illwei supplied a fair reason for that suspicion (and why the backing wasn't shared). I was also mostly reading Elandra as village with a good defense, and Condensation was being... weird, but not Elim-y. I feel like an Elim would pay better attention to those type of things. So I didn't really want any of the candidates dead, and there wasn't much I could do to change it in the time I had.

Thank you? I think?

[Araris Valerian he/him]

13 minutes ago, Condensation said:

I'm confused. Oh wait, you mean on votes? I don't really know who to vote for.

Well, do you agree with me that some of the eliminators could be hiding by not participating very much? And if so, would you be willing to vote on someone who hasn’t been participating much?

One of the reasons it is important to vote is that the eliminators can’t actually be “suspicious” of anyone. They know who all the villagers are (or all but one in this game). So players who are reluctant to vote could either be lost, or they could just be elims that know all the current lynch options are actually villagers. (This is related to why I’m voting for Ashbringer. Finding nobody suspicious is sort of suspicious.)

[Condensation she/her]

Just now, Araris Valerian said:

Well, do you agree with me that some of the eliminators could be hiding by not participating very much? And if so, would you be willing to vote on someone who hasn’t been participating much?

One of the reasons it is important to vote is that the eliminators can’t actually be “suspicious” of anyone. They know who all the villagers are (or all but one in this game). So players who are reluctant to vote could either be lost, or they could just be elims that know all the current lynch options are actually villagers. (This is related to why I’m voting for Ashbringer. Finding nobody suspicious is sort of suspicious.)

I mean, I do find eltruT kind of suspicious, but that could totally just be because of her votes on me. I might be willing? I'd like to discuss it more before, though.

[|TJ| he/him]

I didn't really expect elims to actually attack Illwei after asking someone to protect. I thought they'll just go for someone else. But this has made by paranoid about a WGG. 

I'm not sure if elims would waste a cycle WGG-ing as Illwei was already sort of favourably read by some of us, but still it makes me glance sideways at Illwei. 

6 hours ago, Illwei said:

I was hoping that the Elims would want to keep me alive, seeing as I've figured out who all the Hemalurgists are, but since they've tried to kill me... :(... that's dissappointing. Or disconserting. either one.

Like this. Where have you stated before that you have figured out who all the Hemalurgists are? I might have missed that. 

Also, why wouldn't the elims kill you if they knew you know the info about all Hemalurgists? Like would they hope that you'd give them the info? Why would they think that, if you're village? Of course they'd know you wouldn't tell it, so you they'd have no problem killing you. Things like this makes me paranoid about WGG. I still read you as village, but paranoid!village. 

Amanuensis

Why would we need to know the number of Surgebinders? We'd keep talking till all of them died, that information is not pertinent. It's more useful to the elims to know how many they have to kill to cut off village communication. 

[Illwei]

Just now, TJ Shade said:

WGG

*couch*

What is WGG?

2 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

Illwei was already sort of favourably read by some of us

...eeeeh. 

2 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

Why would we need to know the number of Surgebinders? We'd keep talking till all of them died, that information is not pertinent. It's more useful to the elims to know how many they have to kill to cut off village communication. 

What are you referencing here? all I've seen is Turtle ask how many Elantrians there are. which, also doesn't make me feel good.

[|TJ| he/him]

Quote

IF YOU ARE A SURGEBINDER, PLEASE SEND AN ANONYMOUS MESSAGE TONIGHT SO WE KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE.

@Illwei this was the post I was referring to ^ 

WGG is when elims attack their teammates with ensured protection to make trick the village into thinking the attacked person is village. Wilson pulled it off in AG2 I think. 

Are you going to answer these? xD 

12 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

Also, why wouldn't the elims kill you if they knew you know the info about all Hemalurgists? Like would they hope that you'd give them the info? Why would they think that, if you're village? Of course they'd know you wouldn't tell it, so you they'd have no problem killing you.

Edited October 29, 2020 by TJ Shade

[Illwei]

16 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

Also, why wouldn't the elims kill you if they knew you know the info about all Hemalurgists? Like would they hope that you'd give them the info? Why would they think that, if you're village? Of course they'd know you wouldn't tell it, so you they'd have no problem killing you.

Aaaah, so these were not rhetorical questions :P.

Also, why wouldn't the elims kill you if they knew you know the info about all Hemalurgists?

 - Maybe they'd think that they could pocket me and make me give up my info. I- I mean it's not that hard. Probably already did. 

 Like would they hope that you'd give them the info?

 - As I said, not that hard to pocket me. Pockets are very comfortable: offer me a snack or hot chocolate and I'll never leave.

Why would they think that, if you're village?

 - Dangit TJ, my ingenious idea of trying to convince everyone that I am the HI is foiled now that I'm answering all of this. They didn't know that I was village before. I mean, would a villager go through all this trouble to try and figure out who the Hemalurgists are? what are the benefits to town?

Of course they'd know you wouldn't tell it, so you they'd have no problem killing you.

 - They wouldn't know that I wouldn't tell it. See point number 1

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Oaky, Oaky. 

I'd like a show of hands among you. How many people think I am a hemalurgist? 

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

6 hours ago, Illwei said:

I was hoping that the Elims would want to keep me alive, seeing as I've figured out who all the Hemalurgists are, but since they've tried to kill me... :(... that's dissappointing. Or disconserting. either one.

Not sure how you would have figured out who all the hemalurgists are unless they're being extremely open with their identities. That you expected the elims would keep you alive suggests that you didn't think the elims would know the hemalurgists, which in turn implies that multiple hemalurgists claimed to you in PM for some reason.

18 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

Why would we need to know the number of Surgebinders? We'd keep talking till all of them died, that information is not pertinent. It's more useful to the elims to know how many they have to kill to cut off village communication. 

I've seen people want to know how many anonymous messengers are out there so I'm pretty sure there's a reason. I think it's to make it more difficult for anonymous messengers to impersonate each other/pretend to be a second as-yet-unforseen messenger to deliver fake information, which goes along with GMs liking to make one of the people PMs depend upon an elim as in your first game.

[The Windrunner Supreme he/him]

7 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I'd like a show of hands among you. How many people think I am a hemalurgist? 

I do. How does it feel to be stabbed? Also, my pfp is blue, so I am clearly not za imposter

[Illwei]

1 minute ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

which in turn implies that multiple hemalurgists claimed to you in PM for some reason.

Exactly. And that "some reason" makes the most sense if they are Elims. 

Claiming benefits Elims way more than the village, as who the Hemalurgists are don't affect the village unless they're about to kill one. An Elim Hemalurgist doesn't have to worry about the Elims finding them, and they only have things to gain by claiming.
  - Potential protection- Someone or multiple people to speak up if they are about to get killed
  - Possible distraction for the Elantrian, because the Elantrian would probably protect a Hemalurgist claim above most other things.

Hence the "Disconcerting"

[The Windrunner Supreme he/him]

I have to go now. I am going to vote on Experience. After not posting anything until the end of night 2, I think he may be suspicious...

[Elkanah he/him]

1 hour ago, Illwei said:

Oaky, Oaky. 

I'd like a show of hands among you. How many people think I am a hemalurgist? 

*raises hand*

Nice big post to come tomorrow afternoon

[Amanuensis he/him]

9 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

Amanuensis

Why would we need to know the number of Surgebinders? We'd keep talking till all of them died, that information is not pertinent. It's more useful to the elims to know how many they have to kill to cut off village communication. 

Simple. Because the only one that has been using anonymous messages has claimed to me and I want to know if they can be lynched safely without ensuring we lose PMs. Elim!PM Roles are fairly common, but I am neither ruthless or reckless.

Alas, only one message again. So it may be a bullet we have to bite soon.

Edited October 29, 2020 by Amanuensis

[|TJ| he/him]

4 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Simple. Because the only one that has been using anonymous messages has claimed to me and I want to know if they can be lynched safely without ensuring we lose PMs. Elim!PM Roles are fairly common, but I am neither ruthless or reckless.

That's quite valid. Do you not have a better candidate for lynch than this person? You seem quite sure that this person is elim to be considering lynching them despite the loss of PMs. You could be building up a reason right now so we might not blame you if that person does end up getting lynched. 

That wasn't my only reason though. I've mentioned my hunch that one or both of you and Araris might be elims, and despite me falling for it, the case you built for Elandera was a little too perfect in retrospect. Like the case was constructed, not just found. I'm not sure if I'm making sense here  but that's how I feel. 

Also, I'm still suspicious of Mist, and your defence of her on D1 felt off. And her vote on Illwei didn't help things either because Illwei is one of my village reads (bar paranoia, that is). 

@The Windrunner Supreme, can you vote on someone other than your sibling? xD I maybe only half kidding though, because it's the third cycle, and you've got to have more than Experience right? This behavior is too weird to be suspicious, but it definitely doesn't help us, so you go in my suspect book.

@Shard of Reading, @Mist, @Danex, @Vapor, @Ashbringer, @Wind - thoughts on your suspect list?