Turtle they/them Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Illwei said: - Doesn't give me doc specifics because they don't want me to find out who the other Hemalurgists are for some reason I thought you were the storming HI at the time. Now I don't, because I think you would deny me claiming to you and try to Lynch me. The thing that confuses me most right now is how Connie says I could be lying. It doesn't make sense to me. Sure, gancho I could be a elim, but that would have been a incredible amount of work to go through in order to claim to her. 4 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I feel like the Hemalurgist doc would make such a lie hard to maintain I essentially couldn't fake-claim hemalurgist because the elims would look at speech patterns and village hemalurgists probably would too.
|TJ| he/him Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 @eltruT, can you give us some details about what's going on in the doc? Just state the numbers, no need to name. Also give your suspicion on which of them could be elims. Elims are already privy to the doc information so you could level that field for us if you're village.
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Hang on a second. If Turtle was a Village Hemalurgist, wouldn't that be a "Loyal Hemalurgist" and not a "Loyal Regular Hemalurgist"? 11 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: What do you mean by this? Turtle claims claiming to a "lot" of people, while Aman claims a "lot" of people recommended Turtle as a possible Mistborn target. Depending on the definition of "a lot", it's almost certain that those two groups can exist simultaneously, but that divide's existence is weird. And I feel like there would be more of a reaction from the Claim Group to Aman's revelation of the Nightkill Group. Essentially it's weird how Turtle's polarized everything, and in multiple directions. I haven't received any PMs from either Turtle or Aman, so maybe I'm overthinking it.
The Windrunner Supreme he/him Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Im going to vote on turtle. The explanations for him being elim make sense to me. I am not going to be back on before rollover, so adios
Illwei Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Supreme I know that other people said your habit of voting on Experience and leaving was NAI, but I think it's terribly Elimmy. This too.
Turtle they/them Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, TJ Shade said: @eltruT, can you give us some details about what's going on in the doc? Just state the numbers, no need to name. Also give your suspicion on which of them could be elims. Elims are already privy to the doc information so you could level that field for us if you're village. Uh well the numbers are really just H1 H2 H3 and so on. We had a conversation about all the lynches and skeletons. I think H5 and 6 are slims because they seem to be talking just enough to get conversation going and one of them has been inactive for a crazy long time. 1 minute ago, Ashbringer said: Hang on a second. If Turtle was a Village Hemalurgist, wouldn't that be a "Loyal Hemalurgist" and not a "Loyal Regular Hemalurgist"? Hemalurgists have two roles in addition to their alignment though my role other than hemalurgist is regular. 1 minute ago, The Windrunner Supreme said: Im going to vote on turtle. The explanations for him being elim make sense to me. I am not going to be back on before rollover, so adios Wellll... 1 minute ago, Illwei said: Supreme I know that other people said your habit of voting on Experience and leaving was NAI, but I think it's terribly Elimmy. This too. I sort of agree with this seen as a little more info or input about the me-being-hemalurgist discussion would be nice.
Illwei Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Turtle claims claiming to a "lot" of people, First of all, Turtle didn't use the words "a lot". second of all, it is a little concerning if she did. I know I specifically asked her to not claim to people, because that puts her in danger. the fact that she didn't seem to care is concerning to me. Second of all I would like to point out that I am the only person seeimingly publicly opposing this kill. As I am village, this indicated to me that: like Elandera, Turtle will end up flipping Vil and that we might want to find another target. I don't want to info kill. 4 minutes ago, eltruT said: one of them has been inactive for a crazy long time. Can you confirm to me when the last time H4 talked was? Edited October 30, 2020 by Illwei
Araris Valerian he/him Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Ashbringer said: Hang on a second. If Turtle was a Village Hemalurgist, wouldn't that be a "Loyal Hemalurgist" and not a "Loyal Regular Hemalurgist"? This is probably skating the line of directly quoting GM PMs. However, Hemalurgists can have a second role. So this would seem correct; as opposed to Loyal Surgebinder Hemalurgist or something similar. 5 minutes ago, Illwei said: Supreme I know that other people said your habit of voting on Experience and leaving was NAI, but I think it's terribly Elimmy. This too. I would say that the votes on Experience could be due to being new, but if we lynch Turtle and she flips village, Supreme is probably a decent person to look at for the lynch next cycle.
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Huh. I thought Hemalurgist was just your role. 2 minutes ago, Illwei said: First of all, Turtle didn't use the words "a lot". second of all, it is a little concerning if she did. I know I specifically asked her to not claim to people, because that puts her in danger. the fact that she didn't seem to care is concerning to me. It was still "multiple", and one of those Multiples was Condensation, who Turtle then tried to lynch last cycle. So... I don't like what that implies about Turtle's PM safety.
Turtle they/them Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Ashbringer said: Huh. I thought Hemalurgist was just your role. It was still "multiple", and one of those Multiples was Condensation, who Turtle then tried to lynch last cycle. So... I don't like what that implies about Turtle's PM safety. Multiple as in 3 people. And Condensation, well I learnt more.
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Hmm. @Amanuensis, how many people told you they'd prefer Turtle to get Mistborned?
Illwei Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) TJ (1): Reading Reading 3): TJ, Araris, Whysper Turtle (6): Experience, Books, Aman, Ash, Connie, Supreme. The turtle train gained speed very fast, Like Elan. I don't like this much. There is the Reading train, but that's three votes behind. Reading has definitely felt off to me this game, but Turtle, why not vote on reading in self-pres? Reading I just remembered about the doc slip. I can't believe that that's a total accident @Straw Edited October 30, 2020 by Illwei
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 I'm trying to read all of Reading's post but since Turtle put Shard of Reading in his signature I have to sort through three times as many posts... Araris voted on Reading immediately after the Doc Slip, but for other reasons. Elk was first to point it out, Illwei was the first to vote on it. And Reading seems to be active around the beginning before the lynch picks up, then after the lynch candidates are decided, but not actually at rollover. Hmmm... I'll keep my vote on Turtle. I think we get more information that way. I'll probably be mostly inactive until right before rollover... I need to take a Chem test. @ me if you need me.
Turtle they/them Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, Illwei said: why not vote on reading in self-pres? That... would probably make more sense. Would it seem weird if I switched? Probably. Oh well. Condensation Reading I have said I'm suspicious of both of them, and this is not me saying I don't think Condensation is elim. 1 minute ago, Ashbringer said: I'm trying to read all of Reading's post but since Turtle put Shard of Reading in his signature I have to sort through three times as many posts... Sorry :P. 1
Illwei Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 41 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: I'm trying to read all of Reading's post but since Turtle put Shard of Reading in his signature I have to sort through three times as many posts... I usually search by the title, not name. helps. :P.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 I haven't paid a lot of attention this cycle, sorry. It looks the initial votes on Turtle were purely based on her C1 posts. @Experience, any updates from D2 and beyond? There's apparently also multiple people who recommend Mistborning Turtle to Aman, which is why he joined the vote. Turtle claims hemalurgist, Illwei supports this claim, and now there's a significant countervote on Reading. Illwei knows, or claims to know, whether the people voting on Turtle are part of the hemalurgist doc and have a better or at least more complete understanding of Turtle's alignment. While it's unclear whether Illwei also has hemalurgic doc access, and certainly shouldn't suggest which side of the vote hemalurgists are falling on, the fact that Illwei isn't onboard the Turtle train makes me feel better about Turtle's alignment unless of course Illwei and Turtle are both evil. The votes on Reading are for similar reasons as last time it looks like, not finding people suspicious and saying doc instead of thread. Turtle/Illwei/etc. would know better about whether this could be the hemalurgic doc vs. elim doc, or just messing up the word despite not belonging to any doc.
Illwei Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Whysper said: In the nulls, I would put Turtle into Mild Elim or Elim. Reading into Very Mild Elim. Condensation maybe into Mild Elim Where would you put reading? ralizing you won't be on to answer this, but- You're voting on reading? despite finding Turtle Elim?
Flyingbooks Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) (I meant to put Illwei's post asking me what in Experience's analysis I agreed with here, but it got deleted when I copied and pasted my post while moving between pages) Now that Experience has gathered up an analysis of all of the day one posts, taking votes on and off of Mist seems weird and a pretty suspicious. 2 hours ago, Illwei said: Turtle was my N1 Hemalurgist contact. She is either a Hemalurgist or an Elim (yeah, Elim!Hemalurgist would would too) because what she told me checks out with the other people's info. I PMd her N1 based off of these posts: There were more, but this felt entirely like playing it up a bit too much. They also give me village vibes. Turtle is kind of scaring me though: She claimed immediately, thought I was a Hemalurgist too, and then told me that she wouldn't share doc specifics because I wasn't trustworthy. These are all incredible contradictory, because: - If I was an Elim I would have access to doc specifics through the Elim!Hemalurgist - If I was a Hemalurgist I would have access to doc specifics through...well, being on the doc - If you don't trust me enough to give me info, why claim to me? What I assumed through this was that Turtle might be an Elim: - Doesn't give me doc specifics because they don't want me to find out who the other Hemalurgists are for some reason - Claims to me because it can be used as protection, and doesn't have to worry about it. Things happened yesterday in thread that were less than Ideal, so the situation was definitely not as controlled as I could have tried to make it. Still I am Hesitant to vote on Turtle. Connie is looking a lot more suspicious to me right now. of course, not much time... 3 hours ago, eltruT said: Welp. Here we go. I've already claimed to multiple people, but I will say that I am a Loyal Regular Hemalurgist (H1, though it doesn't matter to people who understand), and so killing me is probably a bad idea. I suppose if I'm lynched you guys will know that and if not I will have a night to PM people and talk to people on the doc. Yes, I could just be a elim hemalurgist, but I actually think I know who the two of those are (We think one or two slim hemalurgists to the 6 of us in all). So there. I won'tbe here for about an hour in which time you guys can talk about wether or not I'm lying, so goodbye until an hour. Claiming as a Hemalurgist could indicate an eliminator trying to stay alive longer or a villager trying to stay alive a little bit longer (and maybe get protected at night), so it doesn't really help on its own. I admit that the post does lean a little bit village (I think) because Turtle doesn't just claim Hemalurgist, but also gives some description of their suspicions towards other people on the doc. However, seeing the description of the PM raises my suspicions of Turtle because of the contradictions that Illwei mentioned above (thinking that Illwei is a hemalurgist but not giving doc specifics, even though Illwei being a hemalurgist would mean that they had access to the doc. 17 hours ago, Ashbringer said: As for why Books... er... almost for the reason you said. Before N2, Books made two posts. One of which contained a vote, on Elandra, adding to the Elandra bandwagon without adding any reasoning besides "the arguments for Elandra being an Elim seem pretty good". I haven't seen low activity but voting from anyone but Silber in the late game before, but he's done that as both Elim and Villager. Books doing it here feels like piggybacking other peoples' arguments to get votes out and therefore focus a lynch. ... and now Books just did something very similar to vote on Turtle. Could just be a new-player thing, especially with relatively few votes cast. But it's enough for me to question it. It's a new-player thing. I don't know how people acted in past games where they were elims vs. when they were villagers and I don't know how an eliminator would vote as opposed to a villager, but I can look at people's reasoning and see if it seems reasonable. Also, since as I mentioned, I don't really know how to analyze people's posts, the main way that I can help to find the eliminators is through voting. Even though there is a risk of killing a villager, voting on people who I am more suspicious of is better than not voting at all and having there be a risk that people who I think are less suspicious get voted out instead. Edited October 30, 2020 by Flyingbooks42
+Lotus she/her Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) I normally don’t do this but Turtle. Illwei made soon good points. Edited October 30, 2020 by Lotus
Illwei Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 If turtle is an elim, then there are definitely Elims on this train. There is too little resistance for this to turn out good
Turtle they/them Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Illwei said: If turtle is an elim, then there are definitely Elims on this train. There is too little resistance for this to turn out good And if I'm not an elim? In defense of myself: My actions C1 were mostly because this is my first game as village and my second game in total, and so at the time I was floundering a lot. I feel like at least some of the people on this train are elim, so when I die you guys might want to look into that. There is less than half an hour left in the cycle and lots of people seem to be voting me and agreeing with other people's reads of me- they are who I'd start looking at. This feels like more reasoning to me that Reading is an elim, so yeah. There we go.
Illwei Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 I think Reading or Connie are more likely. Imo. I'll be gone until rollover
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Turtle(7): Experience, Books, Aman, Ashbringer, Condensation, Supreme, Lotus Reading(6): TJ Shade, Whysper, Araris, Illwei, Turtle, Devotary TJ Shade(1): Reading Five, now six votes on a secondary candidate is not what I would call too little resistance. Turtle not trusting Illwei with doc specific information after claiming hemalurgist makes some sense if Turtle thought Illwei was the HI who is not automatically in contact with the elims nor has access to the hemalurgy doc. It's perhaps not the greatest idea to claim hemalurgist to someone so early, but maybe it would have been worth it to share the number of hemalurgists with the thread. My hesitance for voting Turtle comes more from not really liking that the votes on her aren't addressing current information when that doesn't mean that old information is invalid. Honestly could say the same for Reading though since it's the same arguments from last cycle + people not wanting Turtle to die. Right now I'm thinking Turtle/Reading not elim teammates, and that either being village increases my opinion of the other being evil. I think I'll vote for Reading and save hemalurgy claim investigating for later, perhaps allomantically.
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