Turtle they/them Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, Ashbringer said: And if that Feruchemist believes Turtle’s Hemalurgist claim that’s not exactly surprising. Why not?
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, eltruT said: Why not? ... because if they believe that you’re a (village) Hemalurgist, than lynching you is the last thing they would want to do?
Turtle they/them Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: ... because if they believe that you’re a (village) Hemalurgist, than lynching you is the last thing they would want to do? I thought you meant just my hemalurgist claim. Sorry.
+Whysper she/her Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 We already had good reason to suspect Turtle. At face value, the vote manipulation to save her just increases the suspicion. We'll be going in circles if we try to guess that a Villager Feruchemist was the one behind the vote manipulation. And even if that's the case, how do we know they have an accurate read on Turtle? If a Village Feruchemist did manipulate the votes, they will need to claim and give their reasoning for us to make a judgment, otherwise Turtle will be the likely vote again. The Feruchemist can wait until day starts to see what happens during the night first. But we'll need the claim to figure out how to handle Turtle. 1
+Lotus she/her Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 Mmm. I don’t like how this Lynch is going. Even though I too suspect turtle, it feels like a set up.
Amanuensis he/him Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 Interesting. It seems I missed a lot while my internet died on me. 7 hours ago, Lotus said: Mmm. I don’t like how this Lynch is going. Even though I too suspect turtle, it feels like a set up. There's no lynch on nights unless you mean tomorrows?
|TJ| he/him Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Straw said: Shard of Reading (7): Araris Valerian, Devotary of Spontaneity, eltruT, Illwei, TJ Shade, Whysper eltruT (6): Amanuensis, Ashbringer, Condensation, Experience, Flyingbooks42, Lotus, The Windrunner Supreme TJ Shade (1): Shard of Reading Straw, we won't know whose vote shifted? I seem to remember that we could in other games I've played. It varies from GM to GM? @Amanuensis, can you answer Ashbringer's question from earlier? How many people wanted Turtle NK'd? Edited October 31, 2020 by TJ Shade
Straw he/him Posted October 31, 2020 Author Posted October 31, 2020 23 minutes ago, TJ Shade said: Straw, we won't know whose vote shifted? I seem to remember that we could in other games I've played. It varies from GM to GM? Yeah, some GMs show the name as having shifted, but I think most don't. I know that it's not shown for AGs.
+Lotus she/her Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Amanuensis said: 10 hours ago, Lotus said: There's no lynch on nights unless you mean tomorrows Whoops. This is why I don’t normally play two games at once. Please excuse me. Edit: wait this was where I meant to post it. Let me rephrase: the suspect for turtle feels like a set-up Edited October 31, 2020 by Lotus
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 Day 52: The Librarian turned out to be innocent after all, while the one who calls herself a hemalurgist lives another day. This was the first time since I've arrived on this ship where I was face to face with someone when I felt their life aura extinguish. I've become used to the sensation of feeling a life force slip away, the persistent ping in my head marking the existence of a person being snuffed out and replaced with nothingness. I held one of the weapons that killed Reading myself. Not anything so fancy as Catholan's Awakened rapier, but a simple blade, aluminum like Catholan's main-gauche. More suited for sport than actual combat, but easy to sneak past a Misting looking for metallic weaponry and perfectly capable of inflicting a lethal wound on an unarmed man. Not that mine was the only injury inflicted, six others took their turns raining blows on the poor crewmember, Turtle being temporarily forgotten in the chaos. Enough remains of the body for me to raise a Lifeless, but I'm afraid that's even less likely to happen than for me to be allowed to raise Elandera. I can still sense 19 life auras across the ship, that plus the tangled mess of an aura given off by the hemalurgic intelligence. I hear rumors that one of the people aboard this ship is merely a mindless puppet of the HI, but there's no way for me to confirm that just from life sense. If that's the case, whoever it is still reads as a regular person to my life sense. Personally, I'm more intrigued by the double signature given off by Faleast. I've never seen anything like that before in all my years and I'd love to find out what's causing it. He and/or whoever's inside him shows no signs of wanting to talk about it though, so I suppose we will all keep our secrets. 1
Straw he/him Posted October 31, 2020 Author Posted October 31, 2020 turtle and Orchid were sitting around in a dark room, thinking about how to best keep the HI contained. Unfortunately, they eventually heard an ominous beeping coming from outside the room. When they got up to investigate, and opened the door, they just saw a small box with a countdown. Unfortunately, they did not realize that it was a bomb. Devotary of Spontaneity has died! They were a Loyal Feruchemist and Hemalurgist. eltruT has died! She was a Loyal Regular and Hemalurgist. GM Notes: -The day will end on November 2nd, at 5:00 PM EST. -The following player is receiving a warning for inactivity: @Mist. If she does not post this cycle, she will be replaced. -If you need a vote count, just @mention me and I'll give you one ASAP! -Remember that PMs are closed during the day. Player List: Spoiler 1. @Experience - Shard 2. Gears - ALASTAIR Loyal Regular 3. @Ashbringer - Faleast 4. @Illwei 5. Elandera Loyal Regular 6. @Condensation - Viola 7. eltruT - turtle Loyal Regular and Hemalurgist 8. @Elkanah 9. @Mist - Tria Noche 10. @Araris Valerian - Fade 11. @Lord_Silberfarben - Lord_Silberfarben 12. @Danex 13. @Whysper - Whysper 14. Ventyl - Lafay Etteax Loyal Regular 15. Orlok Tsubodai - Locke Tekiel / @Lotus 16. @Vapor 17. @The Windrunner Supreme - COWS! 18. @Flyingbooks42 19. Devotary of Spontaneity - Orchid Loyal Feruchemist and Hemalurgist 20. @TJ Shade 21. Shard of Reading - Reading Loyal Regular 22. @Amanuensis - Kon the Bard 23. @A Windrunner - Wind 3
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 Well, that answers my question about Hemalurgists having other roles... I suspect activity will be low due to Halloween, but who knows. I’ll be checking in every once in a while but any big posts from me will have to wait till tomorrow. 1
+Whysper she/her Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 I'm just waking up. I'll have some stuff to reveal. I had gotten a message from Devotary last night explaining his actions on votes. I also heard from another Feruchemist. I'll compile the two accounts and post later when I get a chance.
Illwei Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 So this is very interesting. Concerning, Interesting. Someone has some explaining to do. Right now I'm going to assume that Aman took matters into his own hands and decided to kill Turtle during the night. If so, why? it's not in village's interest to kill a claimed hemalurgist at night at all Imo. I know, I think, Devotary? mentioned a Mistborn Killing Turtle. I still don't think.... What I do think, is that it's in village's best interest to know who Told Aman that Turtle would be a good Mistborn kill, because I know I didn't. Turtle was in contact with Devotary and knew their role as a Feruchemist I'm pretty sure. Not sure if they knew Devotary was a Hemalurgist as well, though they claimed to be in contact with a Hemalurgist. There are also allegedly two Feruchemists. I am of the opinion right now that neither of them are Elims. There are also allegedly two Elantrians but my question is why everyone's favorite Surgebinder was going about claiming Elantrian? -- Ashbringer - I'm really trying to argue against the side of myself that says you've just rolled Elim twice, it wouldn't be likely a third time in a row. You actively followed the thread yesterday, during the turtle/reading thing. Quote I’ll stick a vote on Turtle for now, for stated reasons, a bad gut feeling about their Ventyl vote, and not really saying anything as of late, for defense or reads or otherwise. This was before Turtle claimed Hemalurgist. Not much reasoning to vote on turtle still other than D1 stuff, (which, why were people not as willing to vote on Elk if they wanted an answer when their main target was a Claimed hemalurgist? but I'll leave that for a minute.) Quote Can someone who Turtle's claimed to (outside the Hemalurgist doc... or at least say it was outside the Hemalurgist doc) confirm this? I'd like to have a bit of insurance before I take Turtle's word for it, because it's... not as much a defense and more a don't-kill-me-or-you-will-regret. And it seems to conflict with Aman's claim of finding her as a probable Mistborn target. This was after. then Connie and I immediately claim that Turtle claimed to us (though Connie's was...Agh! sidetracked again. I'll get back to that later.) and I say that things they have told me about the doc match up with what other people have said. Then after a couple more posts that don't quite make sense: Quote Hmmm... I'll keep my vote on Turtle. I think we get more information that way Information about what? the three people that they PM'd with? Info about their/Elk's relationship, which was the original reason you voted on them? Trying to daykill a almost confirmed Hemalurgist is basically poinless imo, as I thought I said earlier. If they're an Elim then they won't be NK'd, and most likely the Elims would try and go for a Hemalurgist above most other people. Ash also calls out Turtle for asking "what do you gain if I flip vil?" because that's a weird thing to say. the thing is, it shouldn't have been avoided like Ash avoided it because Ash's reason for voting Turtle was for info. I am 90% against Info kills on anything but D1 already, and then Ash refusing to think about what info is gained if someone they want to kill, a Hemalurgist, Doesn't flip Elim. you both lose info and a Hemalurgist. I had one more point about Ash but I forgot it. :P. -- I was going to do full reads but I have run out of energy now. I will get back later. Short list (no reasonings.) Experience - ?Elim Ashbringer - Mild Elim Connie - Mild Elim Elkanah - Hmmmmmm vil Mist - Still Mild Elim Araris - Mild Elim Silber - ... uh, well. Danex - ?? hmm Whysper - Vil Lotus - Hmmmmmm elim Vapor - ?? Supreme - Vil Books - Mild Elim... TJ - ?Elim Aman - Hmmmmmmmmmmmm Wind - ?? 1
+Lotus she/her Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 Ok wow, I did not expect a two-hemalurgist kill...
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 31, 2020 Posted October 31, 2020 49 minutes ago, Illwei said: Information about what? the three people that they PM'd with? Info about their/Elk's relationship, which was the original reason you voted on them? Trying to daykill a almost confirmed Hemalurgist is basically poinless imo, as I thought I said earlier. If they're an Elim then they won't be NK'd, and most likely the Elims would try and go for a Hemalurgist above most other people. Ash also calls out Turtle for asking "what do you gain if I flip vil?" because that's a weird thing to say. the thing is, it shouldn't have been avoided like Ash avoided it because Ash's reason for voting Turtle was for info. I am 90% against Info kills on anything but D1 already, and then Ash refusing to think about what info is gained if someone they want to kill, a Hemalurgist, Doesn't flip Elim. you both lose info and a Hemalurgist. I can answer... some of this. The main reason I stuck on Turtle was less information and more that I thought that Reading was also a Hemalurgist. That would have explained the “doc slip”. Also, he and Turtle were going back and forth a bit about how many Hemalurgists there were, and Reading was very underguessing the actual number. That can be an Elim tell to over/under “estimate” the number of Elims, and I figured it could be a similar tell to Hemalurgist. And if we were going to lynch a Hemalurgist either way, I decided Turtle would show more information on Condensation and you, in addition to vote info. Reading wouldn’t tell us much beyond votes, as he wasn’t active enough. I was also much more keen to stay on a lynch instead of backing away entirely, but that’s mostly besides the point. 1
Araris Valerian he/him Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 I share a suspicion of Ash from previous cycles, and Illwei brings up a good point about the info lynch thing. I'm personally more suspicious of The Windrunner Supreme, and to a lesser extent, Lotus, for their very bandwagony votes last cycle. Actually, @Illwei, you voted for Supreme last cycle (for this reason, I presume), and now he's one of your strongest village reads? That seems odd to me, especially when you voted for Turtle with less reasoning than Ash did. My only real village reads are probably Aman (for the Mistborn Turtle thing), Illwei (for getting attacked), and Whysper (for being active and sensible). I'd probably add any living feruchemist to this list as well, and maybe TJ. Top suspicions of mine are Supreme, Ash, and Lotus, in that order. I am curious what Whysper has to reveal. Also, it seems like an absurd amount of roleclaims have been happening. I wouldn't be surprised if the elims know the entire game's distribution by now, based on what everyone has been mentioning in thread. Given how much roles are tied to our lose condition this game, practicing some level of PM safety might have been wise. 1
+Lotus she/her Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: more suspicious of The Windrunner Supreme, and to a lesser extent, Lotus, Is it just my fried brain or is their a color change here? 3
Condensation she/her Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, Lotus said: Is it just my fried brain or is their a color change here? What do you mean? The vote? Or between the two black sections? 1
Ashbringer he/him Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 (edited) The second black section is actually green... I see it too. Edit: well, not that green. This green? Edit Edit: Nope, not darkgreen. Dark Emerald? Dark cyan? A color I can only get from Hex codes that's slightly different from black? Edited November 1, 2020 by Ashbringer That's the last one I promise 1
Illwei Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 @Araris Valerian on mobile, but: Supreme: he roleclaimed to me, good enough for now for me to clear him. Aman: dont know why you would clear him for the mistborn thing. That's a pretty easy think to fake if he's an Elim for village points. Ferchemy: why would you mark feruchemists village?
dannnex male Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 Well this isn’t good... So does this mean a Mistborn used their kill? Is there any other way for a double to happen?
The Windrunner Supreme he/him Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Ashbringer said: The second black section is actually green... I see it too. Edit: well, not that green. This green? Edit Edit: Nope, not darkgreen. Dark Emerald? Dark cyan? A color I can only get from Hex codes that's slightly different from black? Am I missing something? Im colorblind, so this is sooooooooooooooooooooooooo annoying 1
Araris Valerian he/him Posted November 1, 2020 Posted November 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Illwei said: @Araris Valerian on mobile, but: Supreme: he roleclaimed to me, good enough for now for me to clear him. Aman: dont know why you would clear him for the mistborn thing. That's a pretty easy think to fake if he's an Elim for village points. Ferchemy: why would you mark feruchemists village? Well, I don’t hold a lot of stock in roleclaims without any evidence behind them, so I’ll leave my vote for now. I haven’t “cleared” anyone. But that sort of thing comes off villagery to me. Also, I’ve played several games versus elim!Aman, and am not getting those vibes this game (although he is very good at hiding). The feruchemists are kind of strong. I’m actually surprised I didn’t mention it to Straw, since I am on the rules committee, but usually a role that can move a vote is balanced by cancelling the player’s own vote. The feruchemist in this game can cause a 3 vote swing, or 4 if they already were voting for someone else. That seems rather powerful for the elims to have, given the HI win condition. Also, since I suspect the people that joined the end of the Turtle wagon, it fits with that for the feruchemist that used their role last cycle to not be elim (why risk a vote like that and then save the player that your team knows to be a village hemalurgist?)
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