+Lotus she/her Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, TJ Shade said: @Lotus, you said "I don't normally do this" and proceeded to vote for Turtle. What is it that you not do norm I don’t like to vote first round, but it wasn’t really first round, it was just my first round
dannnex male Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, TJ Shade said: The goal of villagers is to ensure that the people we are suspicious so get lynched. No, the goal of the Villagers is to find out who the Elims are. You could successfully lynch every single person that the Village is suspicious of and still lose if none of those people were Elims.
|TJ| he/him Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 34 minutes ago, Lotus said: I don’t like to vote first round, but it wasn’t really first round, it was just my first round Any reasoning why you voted on Turtle? You didn't mention it when you voted. 29 minutes ago, Danex said: No, the goal of the Villagers is to find out who the Elims are. You could successfully lynch every single person that the Village is suspicious of and still lose if none of those people were Elims. Yes, that's stating the obvious. But how do you go about finding who the elims are? By voting out your most suspicious candidate, yeah?
+Whysper she/her Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, TJ Shade said: @Flyingbooks42 had literally bandwagoned on the votes in the first 2 cycles of the game with one sentence votes, and then came with a long post after that. That reeks of a teammate asking them to do something other than just "agreeing" with reads. 1 hour ago, Experience said: Voting for Flyingbooks42 till I get answers to these questions. Yes, I've actually had a growing suspicion of them as well. I've seen the sheeping of votes with little else. I went back to look at that long post. I understand how you could see it as prompted by Elim teammates, though I could also see it as finally getting around to participating more. Hard to tell. The post itself doesn't sound bad. So while I have some suspicions of Books, I don't feel comfortable going there yet for today's vote. 32 minutes ago, Danex said: No, the goal of the Villagers is to find out who the Elims are. You could successfully lynch every single person that the Village is suspicious of and still lose if none of those people were Elims. The problem is that the Elims blend in and don't make it obvious. That's the whole point of this game. And the more you argue with appeals to IRL morality and ethics, the more I'm getting an Elim vibe. It's like a little pressure was applied to you and now you are cracking, which is something I could see happening to a newbie Elim.
Araris Valerian he/him Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, TJ Shade said: @Araris Valerian, you're probably the only player left who has played with Aman. Aman doesn't seem like a player who would ask others their kill option. He seems like he would just go for his best choice for the kill. Has he done this before when he had the village kill role? Aman didn't seem to want to answer the questions about who wanted Turtle dead. Also, if he'd been asking questions about players' kill option, there's a big possibility that he would have contacted at least one elim. And I don't think elims would have taken the chance of a possible death of one of their own and let Aman live. You are right that Mistborn!Aman wouldn’t ask for advice. But village!Aman (and quite possibly elim!Aman) would definitely fish for information, regardless of role. And I can definitely see him sending in that kill action as well to salvage the lynch this cycle. I guess the elims thought that Aman wasn’t actually a Mistborn, or they didn’t think any of their team was in danger. 1 hour ago, Danex said: Want more evidence? How many Villagers have I lynched? None. How many Villagers have you lynched? From my cursory scan, it seems like every single one of your votes has been towards someone who ended up being lynched as village, with the exception of Elk, who only survived because it was a tie and was randomly chosen. (By the way, what happened with that? Wouldn’t your next action be to vote Elk again, as they just barely survived? It’s like everyone just forgot about them.) If you never try, you never succeed . I think my voting record means that if I vote on someone, that person better be pretty darn worried that you are going to die. Not participating in the lynch is a great way to not lynch any villagers, but it’s also a great way to not lynch any elims. Also, D1 lynch is basically random. So there is often a much better candidate than the survivor of a D1 wagon. There are exceptions, but I didn’t think this time it was worth revisiting, and I’ve got a slight village read on Elkanah now.
Illwei Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Danex said: It’s rather suspicious that you refuse to have any, I don’t know, reasons for voting me, don’t you think? It's rather strange that you refuse to give any reads or place a vote, don't you think? It's like you knew those people were village and couldn't justify voting them? 1
Mist she/her Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 Okay, if I don't post now, I probably won't end up posting. mad watcher, perhaps? to motivate me/make me feel less pressured I believe Condensation is village. I can verify that she's had to be careful because of us, and she's done a good job, because I haven't seen her on a doc at all. I'm growing increasingly sus of Danex and other less actives (sorry I'm there too). I think Illwei is village.
Illwei Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Mist said: I think Illwei is village. Can you explain how you got here from voting me last time you were on? EDIT: Also, I wasn't going to say anything if Mist didn't respond this cycle, but did everyone just...forget...about...Voting...Mist? Edited November 2, 2020 by Illwei
dannnex male Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Illwei said: It's rather strange that you refuse to give any reads or place a vote, don't you think? It's like you knew those people were village and couldn't justify voting them? I did in fact post some reads, your only response was ‘not enough’. Why do I need a ton of reads?? Whereas you, the person with the ever-present burden of proof, has done nothing to support what is essentially a poke vote. Edit: Just gonna put these down here. Spoiler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#Shifting_the_burden_of_proof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance Edited November 2, 2020 by Danex 1
Illwei Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 Just now, Danex said: did in fact post some reads, your only response was ‘not enough’. Why do I need a ton of reads?? You don't need a ton of reads, but - Your only read has been connie, and that's an easy read to fake, seeing as everyone else was doing it. - You then immediately try and set connie up for the execution tomorrow, which is a suspicious thing to do in this situation as well. - Your only vote has been for Connie, and then you basically try and justify it by saying that you didn't want to vote for the other targets because they were village? - You tried to get me to claim Hema, which, yes it would still be dangerous for me if people thought I was a Hemalurgist, but still people would want to go for Connie over me, because connie claimed and I haven't. you basically tried to force a claim from me in the main thread - Earlier you said "Nah, Loyal Crewmates can have actual roles right? Like Kandra and stuff? Not just the elims?" Which to me might imply that you either have a role, or you're an Elim. seems like you didn't want to say anything definitively because then people might question you.
dannnex male Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Illwei said: You then immediately try and set connie up for the execution tomorrow, which is a suspicious thing to do in this situation as well. I changed my mind on this once it was pointed out that it is probably better to not lynch Hem claims. Just didn't think from the POV of an Elim. 20 minutes ago, Illwei said: Your only vote has been for Connie, and then you basically try and justify it by saying that you didn't want to vote for the other targets because they were village? I didn't do anything like this, confused by what you mean here. I haven't voted for anyone previously because 1. A lot of those votes were based on player habits which I know nothing about, and 2. I wasn't paying the closest attention during the early rounds, still just trying to get my bearings. I am considering quite a few potential votes right now, but I'm kinda under the spotlight right now (for basically no reason might I add), so I have to consider if a vote actually makes sense, and how my voting for this person will make me look. 20 minutes ago, Illwei said: You tried to get me to claim Hema, which, yes it would still be dangerous for me if people thought I was a Hemalurgist, but still people would want to go for Connie over me, because connie claimed and I haven't. you basically tried to force a claim from me in the main thread I didn't and it wouldn't. I was legitimately under the impression you had claimed already, why else would you publically display so much insider info?? Elims already tried to kill you, they think you're Hem whether you claim or not. 20 minutes ago, Illwei said: Earlier you said "Nah, Loyal Crewmates can have actual roles right? Like Kandra and stuff? Not just the elims?" Which to me might imply that you either have a role, or you're an Elim. seems like you didn't want to say anything definitively because then people might question you. ......what. How in the world is that implying that. Condensation had just said that Loyal Crewmates were all Regular, so I was like 'wait, what, that's not true, Crewmates can have roles, right?" Literally just clearing up some confusion. Although this exchange was what made me suspicious of Connie in the first place, and I was right, as she has since claimed Hem. Edited November 2, 2020 by Danex wrote 'hems' in one spot where I meant 'elims'
Mist she/her Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Illwei said: Can you explain how you got here from voting me last time you were on? EDIT: Also, I wasn't going to say anything if Mist didn't respond this cycle, but did everyone just...forget...about...Voting...Mist? Quote Illwei I think one from Condensation, turtle, and Illwei is elim, because they're all entangled with each other, and I'm realizing this isn't actually great reasoning but I promised a vote so yeah. I don't think Condensation is elim (see previous posts), although I'm more confused about her. I think turtle's village because they seem to be helping. Maybe the reason Connie's reading Illwei as HI is that Illwei isn't village? I'm reading Illwei not village, and with this tangle it would help. Yay for being AI. I meant to vote, but forgot that was up there. It was also for copying purposes. Edit: oh, and I'd love to talk. Here's my vote post. You've been analyzing and active, and working to protect the Hemalurgists. Edit: Flame on! Edited November 2, 2020 by Mist
Illwei Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 Just now, Mist said: You've been analyzing and active, and working to protect the Hemalurgists. Oooor have I been seeking them out at night to hand to the Elims? Hm?
Mist she/her Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 Just now, Illwei said: Oooor have I been seeking them out at night to hand to the Elims? Hm? Since Turtle wasn't killed soon after she claimed to you, and only 2 have been night killed, one by the elims (although they *could* have a Mistborn), I think yes, you're protecting them and their identities.
Ashbringer he/him Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, TJ Shade said: @Ashbringer, I've been reading you village for quite a bit of the game, bar the parts where you seem hedgy, your village parts outweigh your elim parts. One thing stands out. Your reasoning to stick on Turtle. Why did you think Reading was also a Hemalurgist? I think I'm usually kind of hedgy especially with lower activity thanks to school and things. As for why I suspected Reading of being a Hemalurgist, I tried to explain it to Illwei here: On 10/31/2020 at 4:56 PM, Ashbringer said: I can answer... some of this. The main reason I stuck on Turtle was less information and more that I thought that Reading was also a Hemalurgist. That would have explained the “doc slip”. Also, he and Turtle were going back and forth a bit about how many Hemalurgists there were, and Reading was very underguessing the actual number. That can be an Elim tell to over/under “estimate” the number of Elims, and I figured it could be a similar tell to Hemalurgist. Essentially, the main reason people were lynching Reading was for saying "doc" once instead of "thread", which people took as a slip referring to the Elim doc. I was wondering if it was instead a slip referring to the Hemalurgist doc, as I feel like Village Hemalurgists would be less cautious with such things in their posts as Elims would normally be. Then looking back to day one, Reading was talking a lot with Turtle (and retrospectively, others like Condensation, another claimed Hemalurgist, and Illwei, who's... I don't even know) about the Hemalurgists, how they should act, how much the HI was a thread, and especially how many Hemalurgists there actually were. I don't know if the number was supposed to be general knowledge to those outside the Hemalurgist doc, but Reading was guessing 3-4 versus the real 6. That's been taken as Elimmy to estimate the number of Elims early, and I thought it would be... Hemalurg-gy to underestimate the number of Hemalurgists. There was something I wanted to add but it's on another page at this point so will edit. Edit: I did edit! 3 hours ago, Illwei said: Also, I wasn't going to say anything if Mist didn't respond this cycle, but did everyone just...forget...about...Voting...Mist? I see your Mist and raise you one Elkanah. @Elkanah, I know you're busy with the QF, but I'd like to see your thoughts on all of this. As for Danex... this feels at least logical, even if logic collapses in this game eventually. I don't want to re-kindle the argument here... I feel like Danex isn't Elim. It's an unusual defense, and one that's very reminiscent of a new player. FlyingBooks, on the other hand, hasn't moved much from bandwagoning, and while they've been inactive over the weekend they've visited today. So seeing as Condensation's out I'll come back to them. @Flyingbooks42, do you have any suspicions to share? Now that the lynch is spread fairly evenly, which do you think is the more Elim-like of me or Danex, or should we vote someone else? ( @Straw for the vote Edit) Edited November 2, 2020 by Ashbringer They/them 1
Flyingbooks Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, TJ Shade said: @Flyingbooks42 had literally bandwagoned on the votes in the first 2 cycles of the game with one sentence votes, and then came with a long post after that. That reeks of a teammate asking them to do something other than just "agreeing" with reads. Voting for Flyingbooks42 till I get answers to these questions. That's just me being me. I'm usually pretty quiet in conversations (especially with people who I don't know very well) until I have something to say, when I talk a lot all at once. I know that this is my first game here so you can't compare how I act when I'm an elim vs. when I'm a villager, so you'll just have to trust that this is just my normal speech pattern. It's a result of me being shy & awkward & nervous but occasionally having an idea for lots of things to say & getting over my feelings of awkwardness. 1 hour ago, Ashbringer said: FlyingBooks, on the other hand, hasn't moved much from bandwagoning, and while he's been inactive over the weekend he's visited today. So seeing as Condensation's out I'll come back to him. @Flyingbooks42, do you have any suspicions to share? Now that the lynch is spread fairly evenly, which do you think is the more Elim-like of me or Danex, or should we vote someone else? By the way, I'm gender-neutral and I prefer they/them pronouns. I don't really have any suspicions to share because I had some tests and a big essay that I needed to work on for school this weekend, so I haven't been reading the thread very thoroughly. Edited November 2, 2020 by Flyingbooks42 1
Straw he/him Posted November 2, 2020 Author Posted November 2, 2020 37 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: ( @Straw for the vote Edit) Ashbringer (2): Araris Valerian, Whysper Flyingbooks42 (2): Ashbringer, TJ Shade Condensation (1): Vapor Danex (1): Illwei
+Lotus she/her Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 Uh... I'm more suspicious of Books then Ash.... But if Books is village then I'd be ok with a Ash lynch Flyingbooks
Illwei Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) Ashbringer This could be me reading too much into it, but I was going to say that there's no real countertrain to Ash, therefore Ash is Vil, but FlyingBooks seems pretty counter-train-y to me. Edited November 2, 2020 by Illwei
Flyingbooks Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) I guess I'll vote for Ashbringer, at least for now, since I don't want to die relatively early into my first game. (sorry to Ashbringer if you're a villager) Edited November 2, 2020 by Flyingbooks42
Illwei Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 Just now, Flyingbooks42 said: I guess I'll vote for Ashbringer, at least for now, since I don't want to die relatively early into my first game. (sorry to Ashbringer if you're a villager) I mean, it's Day 4, not really that early. I guess this game has more than 16 people though, so it'll probably last more than 5-7 cycles though :P. idk.
dannnex male Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 Whats the current reasoning behind an Ash lynch? I can understand why Brooks, but I’m unclear about Ash.
Flyingbooks Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) I said "relatively early" since none of the elims have been killed yet and there are still living hemalurgists. Edited November 2, 2020 by Flyingbooks42
Illwei Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 6 hours ago, TJ Shade said: @Condensation, I'm thinking about the Devotary kill, and usually they're very difficult to read. Did they give any indication about their identity in the doc? If not, we might be looking at someone who has been playing with Devotary for a while and/or exceptionally good at reading players. @Condensation I believe we're still waiting on an answer for this. My main reason for voting Ash is on Page 1, but then Flying books started up. @Experience Do you have any reads you can give me?
Condensation she/her Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 15 hours ago, Illwei said: Hm, yes, somewhat. I was told by another H that H4 never corrected anyone's grammar or anything, which was something offputting to me. I'd like to talk more tonight. Alright! 15 hours ago, Danex said: So illwei and Connie have both claimed Hem? hmmmmmmm What's this hmm... about? 4 hours ago, Mist said: Okay, if I don't post now, I probably won't end up posting. mad watcher, perhaps? to motivate me/make me feel less pressured I believe Condensation is village. I can verify that she's had to be careful because of us, and she's done a good job, because I haven't seen her on a doc at all. I'm growing increasingly sus of Danex and other less actives (sorry I'm there too). I think Illwei is village. Oh, thanks! Vapor saw me on it a couple of times. You remember when I kept sitting at the computer with a blanket over my head? *blushing* 36 minutes ago, Illwei said: @Condensation I believe we're still waiting on an answer for this. My main reason for voting Ash is on Page 1, but then Flying books started up. @Experience Do you have any reads you can give me? Yeah, sorry. No, not much. I have/had suspicions about who the Hemalurgists are/were, but I won't post them here for obvious reasons. Also(completely different note), I keep wanting to spell suspicious and suspicions wrong. *sigh*.
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