Long Game 71: A Cosmere Odyssey

[Amanuensis he/him]

Intriguing turn of events. Elandera.

 

[Ashbringer he/him]

And if @Elkanah votes on Illwei, the vote circle shall be complete...

[Illwei]

Also, I'm...Hm...

Well, as I was putting things down in my spreadsheet, I was thinking why do people insist on seeing Elk's? I was the one who brought up the Spreadsheet point, and it was really probably me being paranoid. I do think that it's easier to play as an Elim when you have a spreadsheet, but...I don't know. I would like to see something from Elk, in terms of reads or thoughts, as that has definitely felt like it's been lacking at a total of 7 posts last cycle, with basically only 2 of them being kind of thinky posts iirc. After looking through old games. I don't think his meta is a big point to go off of. LG 66/65 I think he was a villager and didn't play nearly the same as LG69. I might need to read through those again to look at it more. 

Elandera, what do you think of Turtle? and why do you think there might be at least two Elims in a pool of three people, when there's 23 people in the game, and a lot of them haven't been talking all that much?

4 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

And if @Elkanah votes on Illwei, the vote circle shall be complete...

haha.

Edited October 26, 2020 by Illwei

[Amanuensis he/him]

2 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

And if @Elkanah votes on Illwei, the vote circle shall be complete...

The first step of sixteen in my secret role's shadow ritual win con

[dannnex male]

I’m mildly suspicious of Illwei, but that might just be lingering feelings from Imperial Nomic.

I’m not very good at playing the meta, but it kinda seems that they are posting a lot, and maybe jumping to conclusions? Basically just ‘kinda sus’ levels of suspicion. 

[Illwei]

8 minutes ago, Danex said:

I’m mildly suspicious of Illwei, but that might just be lingering feelings from Imperial Nomic.

I’m not very good at playing the meta, but it kinda seems that they are posting a lot, and maybe jumping to conclusions? Basically just ‘kinda sus’ levels of suspicion. 

[Strikeout text i will edit later when im on computer] Hey, just because *I* managed to hack the system when you couldn't, even when you killed me and stole all my money [/Strikeout text i will edit later when im on computer]

If you're talking about me, then I am posting a lot honeslty. Looking back on it I posted 40 posts on d1. The only person who posted more than me was connie, and then behind me turtle and whysper. At 30ish and 18 iirc. Im going to blame it on me feeling like i need to make up for matrim not being here for his 20 posts a cycle :P.

I don't see the "jumping to conclusions" part (of course I dont see it though haha) but since that was how i was killed last game, if anything I've said sound like me jumping around, then let me know and ill try my best to explain it. I would rather not repeat LG70...

Edited October 26, 2020 by Illwei

[dannnex male]

7 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Hey, just becaus *I* managed to hack the system when you couldn't, even when you killed me and stole all ym money

I’ll have you know we were working on a muuuch hackier hack than yours. We were gonna get infinite Atium and it was gonna be great but we ran out of time 
anywaaaaaays...

10 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I don't see the "jumping to conclusions" part (of course I dont see it though haha) but since that was how i was killed last game, if anything I've said sound like me jumping around, then let me know and ill try my best to explain it. I would rather not repeat LG70...

It might be less that you’re jumping to conclusions, and more that you’re just arriving at so many of them. Which correlates with your abundance of posts, so that might make sense. It did seem like you voted Aman rather out of the blue tho...

[Amanuensis he/him]

23 minutes ago, Danex said:

I’m mildly suspicious of Illwei, but that might just be lingering feelings from Imperial Nomic.

I’m not very good at playing the meta, but it kinda seems that they are posting a lot, and maybe jumping to conclusions? Basically just ‘kinda sus’ levels of suspicion. 

I will say that villagers tend to be more jumpy than elims, as a consequence of having no one to trust and less concern about how they appear to other villagers. Personally, I think illwei is fine.

[Mat he/him]

11 hours ago, Condensation said:

Mat/Straw, do you mind if I ask you lots of questions on our PM?

Not particularly, a new player should know what is going on to a certain degree.

7 hours ago, Illwei said:

Im going to blame it on me feeling like i need to make up for matrim not being here for his 20 posts a cycle :P.

Someone needs to

[Shard of Reading he/him]

Sooo... I wasn't here on Sunday because it was my mom's birthday and I can't post SE analysis while singing happy birthday can I? I just re-read the doc and I reaaaaaly didn't like the way the vote moved onto vently at the last second that just seemed really off. To be fair I did skim his post but knowing he was village I thought that Illwei and TJ shade's votes seemed off too me. I'm cutting Turtle some slack because they are still fairly new and Devotary seemed like they put more thought into their vote than Illwei and TJ. Although I suspect both of them, I'm thinking that TJ shade can get my vote.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

My reaction to the lynch last cycle is that TJ and Illwei are looking more village to me. Illwei instigated the lynch on Ventyl, and TJ was the first to back it up. Illwei posted suspicion of Ventyl around 3EST, and voted around 4EST. TJ voted around 4:30. Regardless of Elkanah's alignment, this seems to me like it draws unnecessary attention to both TJ and Illwei, something elims would probably want to avoid. I'm not sure that we learn too much about Turtle and Devotary from the lynch though, unless we get an elim flip from Elkanah.

My vote is going to go on Shard of Reading for now. You didn't vote at all last cycle, and I disagree with your views on the lynch.

Contribution Crusade Plug: I also think we need a few more votes happening in general. I know some people may feel uncomfortable voting without, but voting is the core mechanic of the game. Not voting is like playing a Mario level without jumping. You have to be pretty lucky to make it to the end in one piece. Only 9/23 players voted last cycle, which is kinda sad. That leaves way too much space for the elims to hide in.

[Turtle they/them]

 

10 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Contribution Crusade Plug: I also think we need a few more votes happening in general. I know some people may feel uncomfortable voting without, but voting is the core mechanic of the game. Not voting is like playing a Mario level without jumping. You have to be pretty lucky to make it to the end in one piece. Only 9/23 players voted last cycle, which is kinda sad. That leaves way too much space for the elims to hide in.

I understand this, but at the same time I don’t feel like I’m in a position to Lynch someone. In my head there is a lot of ‘if then’ and not a lot of ‘x is acting suspicious’. 

 

Don’t you love it when you click off a page on accident and then you have to rewrite your post?

[Araris Valerian he/him]

19 minutes ago, eltruT said:

I understand this, but at the same time I don’t feel like I’m in a position to Lynch someone. In my head there is a lot of ‘if then’ and not a lot of ‘x is acting suspicious’. 

I think you sort of have to go out on a limb. Find something you think might be suspicious, and bring it up. This early in the game, you don't need a ton of justification for your votes. If your vote is Really Bad, then the worst case is people vote on you instead, which also contributes to the level of discussion. You could also read some of the analysis posts people have written, and see if you agree with them. That can be a good place to get an idea of where to vote without having to generate a lynch candidate on your own.

[Shard of Reading he/him]

40 minutes ago, eltruT said:

 

I understand this, but at the same time I don’t feel like I’m in a position to Lynch someone. In my head there is a lot of ‘if then’ and not a lot of ‘x is acting suspicious’. 

 

Don’t you love it when you click off a page on accident and then you have to rewrite your post?

Theoretically it should save your post. Also I think that we defiantly need more votes and even if it is a wild theory it's better than nothing.

[Elandera she/her]

9 hours ago, Illwei said:

Elandera, what do you think of Turtle? and why do you think there might be at least two Elims in a pool of three people, when there's 23 people in the game, and a lot of them haven't been talking all that much?

Sorry, I was unclear. I meant of the whole chunk of people he mentioned regarding the vote, which would include Elkanah, Illwei, eltruT, TJ, Devotary. Two among those five is more likely, especially if the vote was an effort to save elim!Elkanah.

I'm mildly suspicious of you, but starting a swing in votes late in the turn is a bold elim move. TJ's vote seemed opportunistic in timing. EltruT's vote I'm probably least suspicious of because that seemed to be their general vote pattern: vote on whomever others are voting on at the time. Devotary's vote was... Well, Devotary. Pretty NAI and common for them. 

Of all of them, if Elkanah turns out to be elim, I'd be most likely to look into you or TJ.

10 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

If you mean him RP'ing as ALISTAIR, he chose that name (and I assume that general idea) before the game started. So unless the Elims collectively forgot that, then yeah, probably not.

I must have misread something. I thought someone else said that he'd claimed elim, and someone else corrected and said he claimed HI. I've been unable to read through the whole thread due to my schedule and not having any power at my house. 

But that statement still stands. Most of the earlier discussion in this cycle was theorizing why he was killed. From my view, it was not about his claim, but either for lack of information (unlikely, because as others have said, there are far more potential targets who've been quieter) or because they said something the elims didn't like or that worried them.

[Turtle they/them]

9 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said:

Theoretically it should save your post. Also I think that we defiantly need more votes and even if it is a wild theory it's better than nothing.

Mine saves stuff from the first post I did in here  

mist This is not because I think mist is elim, but I think that if mist is not elim, someone else is. 

3 minutes ago, Elandera said:

EltruT's vote I'm probably least suspicious of because that seemed to be their general vote pattern: vote on whomever others are voting on at the time.

Thats not a very great vote pattern... is it? Anyways, I will go back and see what gears has said and if anyone was vocal against what he said. 

[+Whysper she/her]

Okay, I know a few people are giving eltruT a pass for being newish, but I think there's a bit too much to overlook.

2 hours ago, eltruT said:

I understand this, but at the same time I don’t feel like I’m in a position to Lynch someone. In my head there is a lot of ‘if then’ and not a lot of ‘x is acting suspicious’. 

They said this about the hesitation to vote, yet they didn't seem to have problems throwing around votes yesterday. They needed very little convincing to jump onto the Ventryl wagon, which resulted in the lynch.

1 hour ago, eltruT said:

mist This is not because I think mist is elim, but I think that if mist is not elim, someone else is. 

And what's this? Going back to voting for Mist when specifically not thinking they are elim? And what's all that about if Mist isn't elim then someone else is? Isn't that just obvious??

/vote eltruT

BTW, I still haven't completed dropped my suspicions about Elk, but I think this might be where to go today.

Edited October 26, 2020 by Whysper
Fixed formatting

[Illwei]

18 minutes ago, Whysper said:

They said this about the hesitation to vote, yet they didn't seem to have problems throwing around votes yesterday. They needed very little convincing to jump onto the Ventryl wagon, which resulted in the lynch.

Can anyone tell me how cunning Turtle is? because either Turtle is a pretty standard new player here, or I'm getting played. Again. 

I do think that throwing her vote around yesterday and then today saying that she doesn't feel like she should vote is strange, but I don't think that individually they are. yesterday was kind of wierd, yeah, but when I was starting out I hated voting because I didn't know who to vote on. Turtle also just came off of her first game- where she was an Elim, so she's probably definitely not as sure of herself without a team she can trust helping her.

Then again, sure. I might be getting played. woohoo. If Elk and Turtle end up flipping Elim I apologize lol.

[Turtle they/them]

42 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Can anyone tell me how cunning Turtle is? because either Turtle is a pretty standard new player here, or I'm getting played. Again. 

I do think that throwing her vote around yesterday and then today saying that she doesn't feel like she should vote is strange, but I don't think that individually they are. yesterday was kind of wierd, yeah, but when I was starting out I hated voting because I didn't know who to vote on. Turtle also just came off of her first game- where she was an Elim, so she's probably definitely not as sure of herself without a team she can trust helping her.

Then again, sure. I might be getting played. woohoo. If Elk and Turtle end up flipping Elim I apologize lol.

I'll have you know I am just as cunning now as I was when I was Elim. 
I don't really have much to do right now, and I don't know if I can defend against Whysper.

[Ashbringer he/him]

Okay, I have time to actually say something.

Looking back at the last hour or so... Ventyl's suspicious post does seem very... Ventyl... but I think it was a fair source of suspicion. Illwei and TJ started it, and Devotary's made a tradition of voting very late in the cycle... Turtle's vote is the one that sticks out as bandwagon-y. Her and Elkanah are probably the ones I'm going to look back at. Maybe some of the others like Condensation, who's posted a lot but hasn't said a lot. (Like... oh wait, that's like me.)

Elkanah's being chaotic, if being different than his Monk form... he feels more like LG69 Elk. But without the Narcotics to vent his chaos into... this game has so little RNG compared to the other few games I've played with him recently. Trying to look good or somewhat-good isn't entirely NAI, as it benefits both Elims and Villagers. Turtle is seemingly keeping secrets... the voting Mist because of a connection she sees to her is interesting, but there's not a ton of use in keeping those suspicions quiet in day turns. And in the MR she managed to turn her new-player status into a weapon, so I'd put her cunning then (and therefore now) relatively high.

More to come.

[Illwei]

5 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

(Like... oh wait, that's like me.)

I find you trying to point this out somewhat suspicious, because there is no reason for you to think that really because you only posted 4 times last cycle compared to Connie's 41. If anything I'd compare connie to Turtle, Mist, or Windrunner. of course, we are all more aware of ourselves than others.

As for Elk feeling like LG69, He was much more active in that game from what I remember. am I wrong? It'd be nice if he could get on, as he hasn't been on the site in (barely) over 24 hours, so If he's busy then that's different.

4 hours ago, eltruT said:

I'll have you know I am just as cunning now as I was when I was Elim. 

Not sure how I should take that answer, when I'm asking it in regards to 'should I trust you' :P. If Elk and Turtle are teamed again, then I could theoretically see Turtle as an Elim. Honestly it all depends on Elk's flip. 

I didn't really want to kill Elk initially because, well, I was originally going to PM him last night, but, I ended up not doing that. it's been a bit though and he hasn't talked much more though, so- I'm not sure how I feel.

[Ashbringer he/him]

Well, last cycle I managed to say nothing of game importance in those 4 posts...

Mist's been talking a good bit on topic. I'm not sure if that makes me trust her, but I don't see any reason to vote for her.

[Illwei]

11 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Mist's been talking a good bit on topic. I'm not sure if that makes me trust her, but I don't see any reason to vote for her.

Well, she made two posts in the beginning of the cycle, and then her other posts were either RP or answering game-related questions. if you see that as on-topic then she might be doing a good job as an Elim. I know that answering questions isn't really AI for her, and also the one game I had with her where she was an Elim, she was inactive the first few cycles.

Anyways- Tagging people because it is in fact halfway through the day and not even half the people have posted yet.
@Experience @Condensation @Elkanah @A Windrunner @Mist @Lord_Silberfarben @Orlok Tsubodai @Vapor @The Windrunner Supreme  @Flyingbooks42@Devotary of Spontaneity 

EDIT: reminder that there is an activity filter.

Edited October 26, 2020 by Illwei

[Wind he/him]

19 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Well, she made two posts in the beginning of the cycle, and then her other posts were either RP or answering game-related questions. if you see that as on-topic then she might be doing a good job as an Elim. I know that answering questions isn't really AI for her, and also the one game I had with her where she was an Elim, she was inactive the first few cycles.

Anyways- Tagging people because it is in fact halfway through the day and not even half the people have posted yet.
@Experience @Condensation @Elkanah @A Windrunner @Mist @Lord_Silberfarben @Orlok Tsubodai @Vapor @The Windrunner Supreme  @Flyingbooks42@Devotary of Spontaneity 

EDIT: reminder that there is an activity filter.

Who’s the most suspicious?

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

I'm not really sure what to say as not much has happened this cycle. I assume @Amanuensis is still suspicious of Elkanah since last night, but maybe that's not the case since Aman is now voting for someone with a vote on Elk. Still discussion about Elkanah; I wouldn't say Ventyl was the best or easiest person to swing the vote to, but if Elkanah was evil the elims would have wanted to do something about it instead of none of them voting.

@eltruT, are you actually suspicious of Mist if you're not voting for her because you think she evil? Do you have an alternative candidate if Mist isn't evil?