Turtle they/them Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 Just now, Condensation said: Ooh, wait. But then the other hemalurgists would have known that you weren't a hemalurgist, right? True, but wait no. The hemalurgists would probably compare my speech to the people in the doc's speech and see who they thought was me. But no, they wouldn't know if I was lying or not.
Araris Valerian he/him Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 1 minute ago, eltruT said: Fair enough. I actually do have a bit of evidence I'm not elim: I was a elim I probably wouldn't have role claimed D1 as a regular because I would have asked the other elims with a lot more experience then me if I should do that, and they would probably fervently say no. I probably shouldn't have done that anyways, as pretending to be a hemalurgist would have probably been more productive. Oh well. I don't buy this. Elims could definitely encourage their newer teammates to intentionally make "mistakes" like this in order to look innocent. But I would also agree that (honestly) roleclaiming as a vanilla player just helps the elims use their kill more effectively.
Condensation she/her Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 1 minute ago, eltruT said: True, but wait no. The hemalurgists would probably compare my speech to the people in the doc's speech and see who they thought was me. But no, they wouldn't know if I was lying or not. Oh, apparently the hemalurgist doc is anonymous. Never mind, then.
Shard of Reading he/him Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, eltruT said: True, but wait no. The hemalurgists would probably compare my speech to the people in the doc's speech and see who they thought was me. But no, they wouldn't know if I was lying or not. That would take alot of work. You would have to compare speech to current games, past games and just regular interaction in general. Even then unless you had a easily identifiable speech pattern you would not be completely certain. I don't think it would be worth it.
Turtle they/them Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I don't buy this. Elims could definitely encourage their newer teammates to intentionally make "mistakes" like this in order to look innocent. But I would also agree that (honestly) roleclaiming as a vanilla player just helps the elims use their kill more effectively. True enough. you should look at my elim doc from my first game, though. That was something. (For reference, I had literally no idea what I was doing. And you might also want to look at my first game anyways. I think I'm slightly different now.) Edit: Reading posted. true. Edited October 23, 2020 by eltruT
Illwei Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I don't buy this. Elims could definitely encourage their newer teammates to intentionally make "mistakes" like this in order to look innocent. But I would also agree that (honestly) roleclaiming as a vanilla player just helps the elims use their kill more effectively. I agree with this. I think especially because of how Turtle's last game went, if they wanted to do some plotting then there's a bit they could do with Turtle
Turtle they/them Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 *My name is not normally capitalized. When I can change it back, it won't be capitalized, This is mostly to annoy one of my shardbuddies.
Condensation she/her Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 Just now, eltruT said: *My name is not normally capitalized. When I can change it back, it won't be capitalized, This is mostly to annoy one of my shardbuddies. Yeah, I think I know which one. 1
Amanuensis he/him Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) (3) Mist: Illwei, TJ Shade, Turtle, (2) Elkanah: Whysper, Amanuensis, (1) Turtle: Mist, (1) Danex: Condensation, (1) Devotary of Spontaneity: Ventyl, (1) Illwei: Araris Valerian I believe this is the current vote count. I'm not a big fan of how many are on Mist. Edited October 23, 2020 by Amanuensis
Turtle they/them Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 Just now, Amanuensis said: I'm not a big fan of how many are on Mist. Why? Can you (re)tell us your reasoning for voting Elk?
Condensation she/her Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: (3) Mist: Illwei, TJ Shade, Turtle, (2) Elkanah: Whysper, Amanuensis, (1) Turtle: Mist, (1) Danex: Condensation, (1) Devotary: Ventyl, (1) Illwei: ArarisValerian I believe this is the current vote count. I'm not a big fan of how many are on Mist. Didn't I cancel that? Danex
Amanuensis he/him Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, eltruT said: Why? Can you (re)tell us your reasoning for voting Elk? My last post and Whysper's post before it should explain why. Not sure rewriting it would help much Edited October 23, 2020 by Amanuensis
Turtle they/them Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: My last post and Whysper's post before it should explain why. Not sure rewriting it would help much Ok, just looked at it. This makes sense, but not enough to make me switch my vote. Im sorry I took so long to respond.
|TJ| he/him Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) I had missed that point that elims cannot kill HI. But as you guys mentioned they could still try to manipulate/hammer a vote on HI during the day turn and not worry about consequences as they can kill a villager in the same night turn. @Whysper, good catch on Elkanah's post. Have you gone through the LG15 thread? Can you tell if Elkanah's playstyle is chaotic in that game? As playstyles can change over time and LG15 was like 5 years ago, I want to know if he was playing cautiously, in which case it would mean he has changed his gameplay, or was he still chaotic, which would mean he's contradicting himself and could be an elim. Edited October 23, 2020 by TJ Shade
Mist she/her Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, TJ Shade said: I had missed that point that elims cannot kill HI. But as you guys mentioned they could still try to manipulate/hammer a vote on HI during the day turn and not worry about consequences as they can kill a villager in the same night turn. @Whysper, good catch on Elkanah's post. Have you gone through the LG15 thread? Can you tell if Elkanah's playstyle is chaotic in that game? As playstyles can change over time and LG15 was like 5 years ago, I want to know if he was playing cautiously, in which case it would mean he has changed his gameplay, or was he still chaotic, which would mean he's contradicting himself and could be an elim. At that point, nights stop occurring, so the elims wouldn't have any more night kills.
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 Wires. There were plenty of jobs on the ship. The captain, although that was evidently not the best role to fill right now. The pilots, capable of guiding a massive object at incredible speeds and not accidentally vaporizing a small moon. The Hemalurgists, regulating the Intelligence and organizing the ship's movements with their minds. The Mistings, lounging in the upper decks, doing nothing but keeping the ship running FTL. But no, Faleast thought. I had to say I was good with wires of all things. He'd lived for quite a long time on Scadrial, long enough for homes to start having copper wiring around them, sending electrical sparks to hit lightbulbs and... mostly just lightbulbs. But Scadrial had been a long time ago, both for his journeys through space and time and in this world. Energy had changed too. He'd advertised himself for the journey as a Nicroburst-Bloodmaker Twinborn, as he'd been hesitant to apply as a Hemalurgist and connect his twisted Identity to that of an all-knowing, semi-deranged force. Not to mention other Hemalurgists would likely be able to guess at the vast number of spikes within him - and possibly guess their purposes. That would be a disaster. But the boarding official seemed ecstatic to find someone with his potential, and told him he had a ticket for the maintenance division. He'd taken it. Which is how Faleast found himself with his arm stuck halfway in an access panel. A door had decided to lock itself in a minor hall, and Faleast had been volunteered to go fix it, being one of the more durable of the "Nicroburst Brigade", as they called themselves. He was supposed to try and find a node within the walls and Nicroburst it to reset the system. Of course, they all knew what a "node" was. Nobody'd bothered explaining it to him. He'd felt multiple things within the panel that could have been a node, but he'd tried burning Nicrosil with one and he'd nearly fused his arm within the panel. So now he was feeling around with a singed hand, feeling for something that wasn't a live Investiture line. Maybe you should look while I try the Nicroburst, AraRaash said. He was unusually chipper as of late. Probably a side effect of his ego inflating to a chasmfiend after successfully orchestrating the fall of Kae. Which apparently didn't even happen in this timeline, as he'd seen a few Elantrians in the medical bay. "I'd rather not try that now. I don't know what the HI looks like in the Cognitive, and I'm not sure I want to," he replied. Hmm. Do you think that thing can see you? You you? "I have no idea," Faleast said curtly, finally grasping a sphere deep within the panel. He burned nicrosil, and the door... did nothing. It's automatic. It won't open until someone tries to walk into it. "Great," he said, giving a yank on his arm to try and get it out of the panel. It didn't move. Great. Faleast tried to rotate his shoulder. His forearm moved around, but his elbow was stuck. "Come on..." he said, trying to... His arm glowed red. He managed to squeak out a "That's not-" before a pulse of Investiture threw him across the hallway. 3
Elkanah he/him Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 27 minutes ago, TJ Shade said: I had missed that point that elims cannot kill HI. But as you guys mentioned they could still try to manipulate/hammer a vote on HI during the day turn and not worry about consequences as they can kill a villager in the same night turn. @Whysper, good catch on Elkanah's post. Have you gone through the LG15 thread? Can you tell if Elkanah's playstyle is chaotic in that game? As playstyles can change over time and LG15 was like 5 years ago, I want to know if he was playing cautiously, in which case it would mean he has changed his gameplay, or was he still chaotic, which would mean he's contradicting himself and could be an elim. My strategy back then was the same as Lord Silberfarben's is now. I hope I have changed. Also I'd quote Whysper's post about me contradicting myself, but I'm on mobile and at work. @Whysper, I believe that quote is coming from an instance where I am an elim trying to throw a villager under the bus, right? Spoiler alert if you hadn't gotten to the part where I was an elim that game. It is a bit selfish of me to be more interested in garnering suspicion on day one, but it's really only a slightly less extreme version of claiming elim. Further responding to what i am quoted as saying five years ago, i don't actually want to be lynched. I do understand why people would lynch me, but I think I have a lot to offer both with my role and my analysis ( which I promise is still coming. It might just be late tonight instead of this morning like I had hoped.) ...or was that quote when Wilson decided to bus herself? Now that i think about it, that's probably what was going on. Sorry this post is disjointed I'll do better when I'm on a computer
+Whysper she/her Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, eltruT said: Fair enough. I actually do have a bit of evidence I'm not elim: I was a elim I probably wouldn't have role claimed D1 as a regular because I would have asked the other elims with a lot more experience then me if I should do that, and they would probably fervently say no. I probably shouldn't have done that anyways, as pretending to be a hemalurgist would have probably been more productive. Actually this doesn't quite clear you. The elims wouldn't have much of a problem letting you claim regular. It would only hurt to claim regular as villager since the elims can ignore you. But if you are elim, it doesn't hurt them and just has the benefit of potentially making you seem villagery. 3 hours ago, eltruT said: True, but wait no. The hemalurgists would probably compare my speech to the people in the doc's speech and see who they thought was me. But no, they wouldn't know if I was lying or not. 3 hours ago, Shard of Reading said: That would take alot of work. You would have to compare speech to current games, past games and just regular interaction in general. Even then unless you had a easily identifiable speech pattern you would not be completely certain. I don't think it would be worth it. If someone openly claims to be Hemalurgist, then all the Hemalurgists have to do is ask them to say who they are in their doc. It's not like they are hiding at that point. EDIT: Added stuff below about Elkanah 2 hours ago, TJ Shade said: @Whysper, good catch on Elkanah's post. Have you gone through the LG15 thread? Can you tell if Elkanah's playstyle is chaotic in that game? As playstyles can change over time and LG15 was like 5 years ago, I want to know if he was playing cautiously, in which case it would mean he has changed his gameplay, or was he still chaotic, which would mean he's contradicting himself and could be an elim. Yeah, I stopped looking through LG15 when I realized it was so long ago. Plus he was elim in that game I think, so it wouldn't be useful for seeing his village playstyle. I've been looking through other games but didn't have enough time last night to do much. I started looking a bit at LG63. Though I think he might also have been elim in that too. Haha. But yeah, I'm trying to see if I can find a game in which he was village and had something close to the playstyle he claims. @ElkanahActually maybe you can just point us to a game where you had this playstyle. Edited October 23, 2020 by Whysper Added stuff about Elkanah
Straw he/him Posted October 23, 2020 Author Posted October 23, 2020 6 hours ago, eltruT said: Can I get a vote count? @Straw This should be correct: Mist (3): eltruT, Illwei, TJ Shade Elkanah (2): Amanuensis, Whysper Devotary of Spontaneity (1): Ventyl eltruT (1): Mist Illwei (1): Araris Valerian
Turtle they/them Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) I actually think what Elk said makes sense, though I don't feel like finding whichever game was quoted. Edit: Just to clarify this means I don't have an opinion on wether or not Elk is elim. 13 minutes ago, Whysper said: Actually this doesn't quite clear you. The elims wouldn't have much of a problem letting you claim regular. It would only hurt to claim regular as villager since the elims can ignore you. But if you are elim, it doesn't hurt them and just has the benefit of potentially making you seem villagery. If someone openly claims to be Hemalurgist, then all the Hemalurgists have to do is ask them to say who they are in their doc. It's not like they are hiding at that point. 1. I know, it was the only piece of evidence I could find. I guess I shouldn't have done that then. Welp. 2. True And straw, thank you. Edited October 23, 2020 by eltruT
+Whysper she/her Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 Haha, this trying to not post twice in a row is annoying. When I find that I need to comment on something else, I keep hoping someone will post in the meantime so I can start a new post instead of editing. 2 hours ago, Elkanah said: @Whysper, I believe that quote is coming from an instance where I am an elim trying to throw a villager under the bus, right? Yes, you were elim, though I don't know the exact context of what you were doing at that point since I didn't keep reading much after that. 2 hours ago, Elkanah said: Further responding to what i am quoted as saying five years ago, i don't actually want to be lynched. I do understand why people would lynch me, but I think I have a lot to offer both with my role and my analysis ( which I promise is still coming. It might just be late tonight instead of this morning like I had hoped.) If you really are a villager, I do hope you can provide more soon.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 Day 1: Catholan and I boarded the ship today. The captain tells us it will take two whole months to arrive at Silverlight. Someday someone might discover how to travel through the Spiritual Realm and arrive at a destination instantaneously, but I started out walking from planet to planet and two months in a ship certainly beats that. I'll have plenty of free time since I've already finished every piece in the art series I'm to sell in Silverlight. Champions of Harmony is my favorite, even though it lacks the firsthand accuracy of the other nine works. I was not there to witness the moment in the battle at the Fields of Ascension right before axe and sword met neck and spine, but I doubt anyone who sees this was there either so any errors can be overlooked. Mainly this artwork is of historical interest, depicting one of the last moments where Preservation existed as an independent entity. I've always found that true beauty lies in capturing the instants before something's destruction, rendering it forever on the brink of disaster but never quite reaching the point of nonexistence. My collection of artwork from the other planets, Roshar, Braize, Ashyn, Sel, Taldain, Nalthis, Threnody, Yolen, and now First of the Sun feature more contemporary examples of this phenomenon, but for Scadrial I wanted to showcase the power of the Shards who could Preserve even in the face of Ruin. - Orchid Heptan 2
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: I was not there to witness the moment in the battle at the Fields of Ascension right before axe and sword met neck and spine, but I doubt anyone who sees this was there either so any errors can be overlooked. *cough* If I get four upvotes for saying *cough* again... 1
Illwei Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Whysper said: But yeah, I'm trying to see if I can find a game in which he was village and had something close to the playstyle he claims. The game I was in that I saw it was LG 69. Illwei - Offsetting that they asked people to PM them their Roles... [Null/--] Connie - Posting a lot. Doesn't seem to be AI for them I don't think, just interesting. They ask a lot of questions, and though I could mark that as Village, I'm going to mark it as NAI as well, as they just seem like someone who would talk a lot in thread no matter what. [Null] Turtle - Has been a lot more active than last game- where they were elim. Maybe I'm underestimating them :P. [Null/+] Elkanah - Doesn't feel as relaxed as LG69, but that's the only have I have to go off of for Village!Elk. Other than not being as Chaotic there's not much. (supported one of my posts that people were apparently finding me suspicious for...pocketing? :P) [Null/--] Mist - The reads felt like an attempt at being active while not knowing what to do. [Null/--] Araris - Very aggressive...normal Araris things? [Null/+] Danex - The "What do I do now" is offsetting for me. Could be village, could not be. New player. who knows. [Null/-] Whysper - Their tone is feeling normal for them, They use a lot of smiley faces :P. [Null/+] Ventyl - Their post about Elk felt like something they had to say, e/e interaction it feels like. [Null/--] TJ - First thing they pointed out and focused on was not Killing the HI. (granted, that's what everyone was talking about but anyways) feels like an easy thing to try and agree with to get village cred. [Null/-] Reading - Something feels off about them, need to look more, as this is what happened last game :P. [Null/-] Aman - Unprompted VC? [Null/-] Anyone not listed is Null Edited October 24, 2020 by Illwei SO MANY PEOPLE
Condensation she/her Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, Illwei said: Connie - Posting a lot. Doesn't seem to be AI for them I don't think, just interesting. They ask a lot of questions, and though I could mark that as Village, I'm going to mark it as NAI as well, as they just seem like someone who would talk a lot in thread no matter what. [Null] Wait--I'm confused. What does this mean? What's AI and NAI, and what do the different colored things mean?
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