Condensation she/her Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 Okay, Mist seems off. I should know, I live with her. Saying that, though, she is on SE. Like, where you have to not be suspicious. I guess she could be inspecting all of her posts and everything carefully? She still sounds weird. @Mist, want to explain?
Shard of Reading he/him Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 Okaaaaay... This turn is going to end soon, and normally I would vote on someone but there is so much going on and I don't really have the time/brain power to re-read the thread. That being said I personally am getting a gut read of village from turtle (elturt?) and I don't completely understand the votes on Elkanah. I'll probably have more to say on D2 because I'll have more time to be on the shard.
Illwei Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ventyl said: So I think the reward outweighs the risk. So in the name of finding the HI, I’ll vote Elkanah. I very much dislike this. We have already talked about how finding the HI shouldn't be our main goal. Now that I think more about it, trying to pass off something as "trying to find the HI" is a really easy way for the Elims to distract. You also talk about how you are also suspicious of Turtle, for Aman's reasoning, but this makes no sense if you think Elk is the HI.
Condensation she/her Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 Question: Anyone else suspicious of Mist? Is this just me being a noob?
Turtle they/them Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, Condensation said: Question: Anyone else suspicious of Mist? Is this just me being a noob? I sort of am, but I’m as much of a noob as you are, so I don’t provide much in the way of wisdom, though Illwei voted for mist.
Elandera she/her Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 35 minutes ago, Illwei said: - I don't think the role breakdown was incredibly useful. I mean, maybe that's just a me thing because there are a lot of newer players here, so maybe it'll help them. It does also basically directly contradict something I was told in a game by Devotary (when they are Elim) which was use your double vote all the time very good. But it is NAI. - They only talked about suspicions once? in the past 48 hours. It was their basically 2nd post, and they voted Turtle for...voting on them. they also emphasized it was D1 so they didn't need more reason. their vote has stayed there. - Then they continue to be active and answer questions, and RP, but never address their suspicion again, even when people start talking about the Turtle situation. That makes a little more sense, but I don't agree. I rarely talk about suspicions on D1, as it's difficult to have actual evidence so early. The exception is when something is obviously off. Mist avoiding it isn't super suspicious, especially if they're busy.
Gears Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 I lost track of this game. My apologies. I've been at a debate tournament [virtually] for today and some of yesterday. Sadly, the general populace has been very prolific, possibly due to the fresh meat. I might read everything in time to make some reasoned analysis, but I don't have any certainty about my schedule. I will be far more available soon, probably after Monday. I will be unavailable for several hours on Sunday as well, and I have a few tests on Monday. Perhaps I should have abstained from this game. After Monday, I do not foresee any activity problems, though my foresight has been occluded since... the accident. If anyone would like to give me a quick rundown on why people are suspicious of the people they are suspicious of [or link me to posts in which they elaborate on said suspicions], I would be most grateful. ALASTAIR was near the heart of the ship's supercomputer. The organization system seemed nonsensical at best, possibly due to the Cognitive aspect cluttering everything. Lingering trails of identification flickered by, burning into its memory. It sent a message into the machine, but received no response. As it progressed through the data structures, things seemed to grow... warped. Reality and binary seemed to blend. Time slowed as Cognition twisted. Everything was strange. It was lost. It was void. It was part of the machine. Tangled in its wiring, trapped within its code. It could do nothing but wait for the tides to settle into a usable form.
Condensation she/her Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, eltruT said: I sort of am, but I’m as much of a noob as you are, so I don’t provide much in the way of wisdom, though Illwei voted for mist. Okay. Thanks!
Illwei Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said: Okaaaaay... This turn is going to end soon, and normally I would vote on someone but there is so much going on and I don't really have the time/brain power to re-read the thread. That being said I personally am getting a gut read of village from turtle (elturt?) and I don't completely understand the votes on Elkanah. I'll probably have more to say on D2 because I'll have more time to be on the shard. as good of a summary I can give: - Turtle & me & TJ find Mist suspicious - Discussion about if we should try and vote out the HI in the early rounds with TJ, Araris, Illwei, Whysper, Turtle. Concensus: No- explained by Whysper and TJ (pg 5 ish) - Talk about Elk's Meta and if he's acting suspicious with Illwei, Elkanah, Whysper, TJ. (PG 6-7) - Some sort of fish by Aman to see reactions on the Mist/Elk/Turtle vote (pg 7) - Araris and Ventyl hop on the Elk train (pg 9) 17 minutes ago, Gears said: If anyone would like to give me a quick rundown on why people are suspicious of the people they are suspicious of [or link me to posts in which they elaborate on said suspicions], I would be most grateful. Mist Posts: Spoiler On 10/22/2020 at 3:03 PM, Mist said: Welcome to all the new people, whether new to us or new to forum Mafia! Reveal hidden contents Awakener: roleblocker: I'd recommend using your ability at night. It could be quite helpful to catch traitors. Elantrian: healer: I'd recommend using your ability as well. Feruchemist: vote manip: use sparingly. Chaos generally doesn't benefit the village. Hemalurgic Intelligence: It's interesting how they don't count towards win conditions. If we discover them, as odd as it sounds, we may not want to kill them, because that brings us immediately to LyLo. If an Awakener's action fails, it could be that they've discovered the HI. Hemalurgist: be careful. It's definitely better not to have the HI able to talk with the traitors. Kandra: I'd recommend using this ability as well. Information is useful. Mistborn: be careful with your kill. Make it count. Surgebinder: Tineye: Messages are open during the night while one is alive. Posting anonymous messages can definitely be helpful. Having PMs open will be helpful. Do your best not to die. Voidbringer: passive ability. Definitely helpful. With 23 people counting towards win conditions and 1 elim HI not counting, there's either 4 elims besides the HI, making it 20.8%, or 5 elims, making it 25%. On 10/22/2020 at 3:34 PM, Mist said: Turtle, your vote feels like you're trying to skate by, since I have said something. If you want more, okay, but there's others who could be better to poke, so I'm slightly sus of you. And you know what, for D1, that's enough for a vote. Turtle. Would you care to explain why you poked me after I've posted twice? Elk Posts Spoiler On 10/23/2020 at 0:18 AM, Elkanah said: Okay, what can I do that is alignment indicative...? I can support Illwei and say his vote for Gears was most certainly part of a running joke and therefore Not Alignment Indicative (NAI). That's not especially an indicator on my alignment, but defending someone is at least some information I can provide. I don't think it is wise to reveal roles to the thread at this point. The elims have a pretty big advantage once we lynch the HI, and every person they trust isn't a hemalurgist drops on their kill list. If all the hemalurgists claimed regular, that might be too big of a giveaway as well. It's probably best to just not claim yet (as much as I appreciate the free information). If you are dying to share what role you have, PM me during the night turn. We can have a great chat. Time might be a little scarce for me as I will be running a game, but I'd love the opportunity to probe you for information talk with each of you. On 10/23/2020 at 9:03 AM, Elkanah said: Haha, I am working on a bigger post, but I figured I should respond to this. You are absolutely correct, and if I liked to play the meta I wouldn't dare say that kind of thing. You're welcome to lynch me. I try to get into the spotlight on day one by throwing out stupid things so that if somehow I live, I am less hindered in my ability to gain information later. The downside is that it does get me lynched day one occasionally. I promise in my better post, I will have some suspicions and a reasoned vote. While I'm thinking about it Cows/The Windrunner Supreme I'm sure I'll come up with a better vote here in a minute and my vote was doing very little where it was. I maintain my offer that if any of you must share your role with someone, share it with me. I'm village and decent at keeping secrets. I'll probably be PMing you anyway because I like to get the lay of the team in these games. If you feel like you're bad at PMs, try manipulating me. @Illwei can attest to how easy it is. 14 hours ago, Elkanah said: I've got a spreadsheet of the posts that I'm trying to figure out how to include in a post. Posting a link to my spreadsheet is apparently frowned upon. If it helps there are only about twenty relevant posts over the 8 pages. TL;DR: People are voting for mist for posting not alignment indicative things People are voting for me because I want people to claim to me and also because I am trying to tie myself to people so there is more information around if I die. I am most suspicious of Turtle; however, if Turtle is bad, then Condensation is too... and I'm having a hard time squaring two newer players as elims this game. Elk Votes Spoiler On 10/23/2020 at 8:52 AM, Whysper said: Okay, I find this highly suspicious. Elims tend to care a lot about their image. I'm not sure how things are done on this site, but saying something like this on FoL would immediately get you read as elim. Villagers should be working on solving and finding elims. That shows their alignment. /vote Elkanah I hope no one takes him up on this offer. On 10/23/2020 at 10:00 AM, Amanuensis said: This and your last post have encouraged me to join this vote. Elkanah. After combing through the thread, no one so far has tripped as many alarm bells. 13 hours ago, Illwei said: ...Alarm bells. all of the Alarm bells. Mist, Elkanah. Please explain what is most off-putting about Turtle. EDIT: not that it's a very reliable read, haha, but Elkanah mentioning his spreadsheet sets off alarm bells for me right now. 1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said: Hmm. I should have done this earlier, but I'm going to retract from Illwei. I didn't catch that the original vote on Gears was a joke. While I had read Turtle as village earlier, I agree with TJ that Turtle's more recent posts are suspicious. I do think "having a gut read" and being able to "muster up a reason" are actually the same thing, so my suspicion comes more from the contradiction rather than the tone. Between Turtle and Elkanah, however, I think that Elkanah is more suspicious, since some of thing things Turtle has said that raise flags can be explained by being new. 46 minutes ago, Ventyl said: Alright, I haven’t had too much time to be paying attention in detail with this game, but I’ll try to offer my opinions on the lynch. First off, Devotary, your safe... for now, I’ll keep you on my radar. I generally don’t like seeing people scape by by not posting a lot, or even trying to offer a lot of advice or thoughts on the game. And from your one post I can recall, I feel like that’s what you’re planning on doing here. Secondly, I agree with Aman and co.’s reasonings about Elkanah and Turtle. The thing is though, I have them at about an even suspicion level right now. But now that I think about it, Elkanah started the last game I played with them off in a very similar way. Which they acknowledged, but I find it too... (what’s the word?) to be a coincidence. In that game, Elk was the Monk, which was quite a problem for me considering my elim-ness. Now, in this game if they have a similar role, the HI, then I think it’d be beneficial for us to know if they are in fact the HI. If we know who the Intelligence is, not only will it be good to stop them from dying in the late game, but considering their lynch immunity, if it comes down to it, the Hemalurgist could stop a mislynch by bandwagoning the HI. I know people were saying we shouldn’t lynch the HI, but if we can get them early and find out who they are, we’d be able to protect them, and allow the Hemalurgist to pull off this gambit in the future. So I think the reward outweighs the risk. So in the name of finding the HI, I’ll vote Elkanah. Though, I do think Turtle as been quite suspicious... so perhaps if we can arrange a tie on them and let RNG decide our future that might be a good way to go. Mist Vote: (singlular...) Spoiler 1 hour ago, Illwei said: *Couch* I think you meant Straw *Couch* Okay, just realized that this day ends in about 3 hours...I guess things can wait until 2. I think Turtle's votes on Mist have been weird, but are completely different than Turtle last game. I do assume though that Elim!Turtle would be different, especially if they were on a team with Elk twice in a row in their first two games :P. Anyways, I just don't think that's the case. They do seem to be trying to justify their vote weirdly. - She votes on Mist at first as a poke, after mist has already been active - She then removes her vote, but votes again because she thinks Mist is the HI - She then removes her vote again, and then votes again because she thinks Mist is an Elim. This is not a case against turtle, this is for @eltruT to see and tell me what their thinking behind it is. Again, I don't think Turtle is an Elim, and I definitely don't think we should vote them out right now.. That being said...Elkanah. I just don't think enough has been said yet tbh. The main thing I don't trust about him was the mention of his spreadsheet, and the mention of his Meta. I think that right now, the Meta mention makes more sense than in a game not like this. There aren't just new players here, but someone who knows how to play, and found him immediately suspicious for something that he assumes is normal. The spreadsheet thing still...It's not just that he keeps a spreadsheet- I mean, I keep a spreadsheet too. it's that the spreadsheet thing is an easy way to let people know that you're actively participating or trying to solve the game without it having to be true. As for the argument about a Turtle/Elkanah Pairing, I don't think that's there yet. (I mean, I don't think Turtle is an Elim, so obviously hehe :P.) I'm also not so trusting of Araris right now, so the fact that he's voting on Elk now doesn't make me feel better. I think I'm still not feeling so good about Mist. I was just trying to re-read the cultist game because of that, but I got caught up in noticing my RNG luck. Man. Man. Wow. and then noticing pyro's actual throwing of the game but hehe anyways back on subject anyways-that game told me absolutely nothing. but I still don't like Mist's activity here. Someone said they like how she was answering questions and things, but that's easy to do no matter who you are. Her post about the roles was completely NAI and I think that would either swing one way or another at least slightly. Turtle Votes: Spoiler 3 hours ago, TJ Shade said: This does not give any conclusive evidence, but I'll just tell the reasoning for my suspicion anyway. Exhibit - A: Votes on Mist because she agrees with my reasoning: "Muster"ing up a reason doesn't sound good at all. Exhibit - B: Does not prefer Elkanah over Mist: Exhibit - C: Directly contradicts Exhibit - A (on the reasoning for voting on Mist) : Previously, it wasn't enough to change to Elkanah, but now they're probably willing to join. These reasons are enough to put Turtle ahead of Mist in my suspicion order. eltruT. Mist. EDIT: Missed to quote the contradiction for Exhibit - C On 10/22/2020 at 3:34 PM, Mist said: Turtle, your vote feels like you're trying to skate by, since I have said something. If you want more, okay, but there's others who could be better to poke, so I'm slightly sus of you. And you know what, for D1, that's enough for a vote. Turtle. Would you care to explain why you poked me after I've posted twice? Edited October 24, 2020 by Illwei Formatting for Eyes
Shard of Reading he/him Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 Just now, Illwei said: as good of a summary I can give: - Turtle & me & TJ find Mist suspicious - Discussion about if we should try and vote out the HI in the early rounds with TJ, Araris, Illwei, Whysper, Turtle. Concensus: No- explained by Whysper and TJ (pg 5 ish) - Talk about Elk's Meta and if he's acting suspicious with Illwei, Elkanah, Whysper, TJ. (PG 6-7) - Some sort of fish by Aman to see reactions on the Mist/Elk/Turtle vote (pg 7) - Araris and Ventyl hop on the Elk train (pg 9) I have read the thread but I don't have the time to re-read and make a fully informed vote. I'd rather be confident in my vote than put it blind based off what others are doing.
Turtle they/them Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said: I have read the thread but I don't have the time to re-read and make a fully informed vote. I'd rather be confident in my vote than put it blind based off what others are doing. The biggest problem with this is that we all have our own opinions and will likely be biased about what we say. I will do a quick read through and quote what people are finding most ‘off’ or ‘suspicious’, though. Edit: not actually going to do this, sorry. The first time I tried I didn’t even quote my role claim or mist’s poke vote, so yeah. Edited October 24, 2020 by eltruT
Mist she/her Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 *bangs head on keyboard* I'm not going to be able to make a well reasoned/researched post in the time I have. I'm mentally exhausted and still need to eat. Sorry guys.
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mist said: *bangs head on keyboard* I'm not going to be able to make a well reasoned/researched post in the time I have. I'm mentally exhausted and still need to eat. Sorry guys. Er... I second this. Or third or something.
Turtle they/them Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Ashbringer said: Er... I second this. Or third or something. I fourth this. Can we all just sleep? That sounds easier.
Illwei Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 (edited) I'd like it if someone adressed Ventyl's/My thoughts about Ventyl's post. I can't be the only one seeing this? it doesn't feel good. Also how Elk sped up really fast in a moment. and how so many people are suddenly saying they can't vote this cycle. Ventyl Mist @Experience @Elandera @Condensation @eltruT @Elkanah @Whysper @Danex @TJ Shade @Amanuensis @A Windrunner @Gears 3. @Ashbringer @Mist @Araris Valerian @Lord_Silberfarben @Orlok Tsubodai @Vapor @The Windrunner Supreme @Flyingbooks42@Devotary of Spontaneity @Shard of Reading @A Windrunner EDIT: sorry for the tag, but it's like, close to rollover, so- Edited October 24, 2020 by Illwei
Turtle they/them Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Illwei said: I'd like it if someone adressed Ventyl's/My thoughts about Ventyl's post. I can't be the only one seeing this? it doesn't feel good. Also how Elk sped up really fast in a moment. and how so many people are suddenly saying they can't vote this cycle. Ventyl Mist @Experience @Elandera @Condensation @eltruT @Elkanah @Whysper @Danex @TJ Shade Can you quote the posts? Or something?
Illwei Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Ventyl said: Alright, I haven’t had too much time to be paying attention in detail with this game, but I’ll try to offer my opinions on the lynch. First off, Devotary, your safe... for now, I’ll keep you on my radar. I generally don’t like seeing people scape by by not posting a lot, or even trying to offer a lot of advice or thoughts on the game. And from your one post I can recall, I feel like that’s what you’re planning on doing here. Secondly, I agree with Aman and co.’s reasonings about Elkanah and Turtle. The thing is though, I have them at about an even suspicion level right now. But now that I think about it, Elkanah started the last game I played with them off in a very similar way. Which they acknowledged, but I find it too... (what’s the word?) to be a coincidence. In that game, Elk was the Monk, which was quite a problem for me considering my elim-ness. Now, in this game if they have a similar role, the HI, then I think it’d be beneficial for us to know if they are in fact the HI. If we know who the Intelligence is, not only will it be good to stop them from dying in the late game, but considering their lynch immunity, if it comes down to it, the Hemalurgist could stop a mislynch by bandwagoning the HI. I know people were saying we shouldn’t lynch the HI, but if we can get them early and find out who they are, we’d be able to protect them, and allow the Hemalurgist to pull off this gambit in the future. So I think the reward outweighs the risk. So in the name of finding the HI, I’ll vote Elkanah. Though, I do think Turtle as been quite suspicious... so perhaps if we can arrange a tie on them and let RNG decide our future that might be a good way to go This whole post just contradicts itself a few times over?
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 (edited) Elkanah (4): Amanuensis, Araris Valerian, Whysper, Ventyl eltruT (2): TJ Shade, Mist Ventyl(1): Illwei Experience (1): The Windrunner Supreme Edit: Let's just scrap this and make a new post Edited October 24, 2020 by Devotary of Spontaneity Hit ctrl/enter instead of shift/enter twice in a row
Turtle they/them Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: Elkanah (4): Amanuensis, Araris Valerian, Whysper, Ventyl eltruT (2): TJ Shade, Mist Experience (1): The Windrunner Supreme Elkanah (4): Amanuensis, Araris Valerian, Whysper, Ventyl eltruT (2): TJ Shade, Mist Experience (1): The Windrunner Supreme Ventyl (1): Illwei
Illwei Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 Awesome. Two umprompted VC's, and no discussion.
Mist she/her Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 oops. rollover wasn"t 11 minutes ago. 49 minutes. maybe i can write a good helpful post. also, i retracted my vote earlier.
Turtle they/them Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Illwei said: This whole post just contradicts itself a few times over? Sorry, i tried writing a response to this but wasn’t sure what to say. Yes, the post contradicts myself. No, I’m not sure what to do. Trying to find the HI is really weird goal through. I know this is even more inconclusive than most of my other posts here, but I’m scared. (39 minutes till role over! I love being in the same time zone as the GM, or at least being in the same time zone as the rollover was originally posted in.)
Illwei Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, eltruT said: Sorry, i tried writing a response to this but wasn’t sure what to say. Yes, the post contradicts myself. No, I’m not sure what to do. Trying to find the HI is really weird goal through. I know this is even more inconclusive than most of my other posts here, but I’m scared. (39 minutes till role over! I love being in the same time zone as the GM, or at least being in the same time zone as the rollover was originally posted in.) What are you scared of? What I'm scared of is in the hour before rollover all we have got is two unprompted votecounts and one vague promise to maybe post something. :P. EDIT: It's making me think that if Elk flips elim then his voters are more likely Elims, and if he doesn't, well...I mean I don't know. I would think that Elk wouldn't be someone the Elims would so quickly bus. so I'm not sure about this. Edited October 24, 2020 by Illwei
|TJ| he/him Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 I'm not liking this defence of Turtle by so many people (or "Turtle and Elk are equally suspicious" but everyome preferring to vote out Elk ahead of Turtle ) Rethinking because someone said they're different and must be flip-flopping because they can't take teammates help, which makes sense, so I'll drop it. But I don't feel good about Turtle at all. Don't agree with Aman and Elandera about Mist's role breakdown. Agreed that role breakdown is NAI but there's a difference between being helpful even while posting rule breakdown (like say how xineohp does it) to the post made by Mist which doesn't say anything. Would be ready to vote for Mist but Illwei makes a strong case against Ventyl: Quote Secondly, I agree with Aman and co.’s reasonings about Elkanah and Turtle. The thing is though, I have them at about an even suspicion level right now. But now that I think about it, Elkanah started the last game I played with them off in a very similar way. Which they acknowledged, but I find it too... (what’s the word?) to be a coincidence. In that game, Elk was the Monk, which was quite a problem for me considering my elim-ness. Now, in this game if they have a similar role, the HI, then I think it’d be beneficial for us to know if they are in fact the HI. If we know who the Intelligence is, not only will it be good to stop them from dying in the late game, but considering their lynch immunity, if it comes down to it, the Hemalurgist could stop a mislynch by bandwagoning the HI. I know people were saying we shouldn’t lynch the HI, but if we can get them early and find out who they are, we’d be able to protect them, and allow the Hemalurgist to pull off this gambit in the future. So I think the reward outweighs the risk. So in the name of finding the HI, I’ll vote Elkanah. He begins with repeating the same thing Araris said (Turtle and Elkanah are equally suspect) and then deduces that his playstyle is similar to the time when he was Monk, and then compares the Monk role to the HI role, assumes Elk is HI and just runs with it in the next para. This whole thing is just weird. Ventyl. eltruT.
Turtle they/them Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 (edited) Is my post the vague promise? Probably. I truly don’t know what to do. Straw posted. Thank you for giving a rundown of Ventyl’s post. So, a question for everyone: Is Elkanah’s playstyle different this game than most other games except the one Ventyl quoted? Rephrased: Is there a reason why Ventyl might think Elk has a odd playstyle similar to the one he quoted? @Ventyl Edited October 24, 2020 by eltruT Ping
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