Long Game 67: The Road to Urithiru

[|TJ| he/him]

40 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Could you clarify? Your vote is on Ventyl (unless I missed something), who isn't involved in the discussion about Striker. Also, Gears is a top lynch candidate, rather than the singular target. Although I do feel like the votes on him are a little more likely to stick than the others, since they come from Striker and Orlok.

She voted on Matrim. 

11 hours ago, Elbereth said:

*squints* 
I mean. I said people shouldn’t claim but oookay.  I... struggle to see this from an elim perspective at the moment, anyone else have thoughts there?

Ventyl. Matrim for that latest post - not because it’s wrong, Ventyl could be doing a very clever elim play right now, but. It seems much more likely to be village, and that warning feels a bit like damage control from an elim trying to prevent a trust circle from happening / keep Ventyl from looking quite as good as he does now. 

PS: Will likely add to this post if no one posts something after this. 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Whoops, I’ll edit that into my count. Never mind, Elbereth.

[|TJ| he/him]

6 hours ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

strong disagreement with him, obvs, but less ai than if another made same erroneous point.

6 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

6 hours ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Strong disagreement with Gears, obviously, but less AI than if another person made the same erroneous point.

Yeah, I'd agree that it's important to distinguish between a different opinion about optimal play versus intentionally trying to hurt the village. I would even go so far as to say that elims might try a little harder to conform to what is considered helpful in the current meta than villagers do. So people doing things I disagree with often (but not always) lands them a very slight village read, at least at the start of the game.

First of all, I find it hilarious that Araris would capitalize and correct everything Orlok said while quoting him xD

So basically there's a lot of discussion about role-block vs. redirect, and the consequences and a redirected kill or a role-blocked kill. I'd not like to spend much time on the topic as I do agree with Sart that this topic is distracting us. Just that the players shouldn't jump to conclusion that their target must be an elim if they block/redirect a kill as someone rightfully said, this is a game filled with redirect/role-block surges. Keep a close eye on them, maybe disclose it to someone you absolutely trust, and if/when they act more suspicious, by all means, go after them. We would not want to lose a Skybreaker/Dustbringer, and on top of that, the role-blocker/redirecter since 'going after them' requires them to out themselves to the thread.

12 hours ago, Ventyl said:

Considering my role, it would be good for the village for me to know someone’s role or have an idea of it.

12 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

This sort of seems like it could be a good way to get villagers to claim to elims.

I don't feel Ventyl would try the same thing twice if he was an elim. He also would have simply role-claimed in PMs rather just giving it out in-thread that he has a KR role. 

12 hours ago, Elbereth said:

Ventyl. Matrim for that latest post - not because it’s wrong, Ventyl could be doing a very clever elim play right now, but. It seems much more likely to be village, and that warning feels a bit like damage control from an elim trying to prevent a trust circle from happening / keep Ventyl from looking quite as good as he does now. 

But, I do think Matrim is right to be apprehensive about Ventyl, since Matrim did in fact fall in to role-claim tactic by Ventyl in the previous LG. If you fall for a particular kind of trick, it's only natural to be cautious the next time you feel something similar is happening. For these reasons, I would not like to lynch either Ventyl or Matrim in D1.

11 hours ago, Lahilt said:

Targeting only players who post can give Elims opportunities to stay inactive or low active as a chance to blend in

A good point from Lahilt. Since our (Elbereth's :P) current tactic is to focus all the discussion among the people who are active, it gives the elims a good reason to just lay back and let us discuss. The only vote on a player not yet posted is Ventyl's on Joe. Yes, I agree that for discussion sake, pressuring the people already here is a good way to get some reads, but at some point, we have to give the inactives some attention too. Speaking of, @xinoehp512, @Lord_Silberfarben, @Eternum, @Frozen Mint, @Fifth Scholar, @Zillah, @A Joe in the Bush, @Illwei, don't feel shy guys. Join in! (Also, if you're busy, please just drop a post. We'll stop pinging you, and you can join when you're free.)

11 hours ago, Gears said:

You have convinced me. Elbereth. 

Gears, why did you feel compelled to vote on Elbereth specifically? Just because someone asks you to vote on them, doesn't mean you should. As far as I know, she asked you to vote on her because you said you wouldn't be against lynching her, but your vote on her seems strictly based on Orlok's suspicion on her. Do you not have someone you suspect that you'd like to vote on? Besides, a vote on her doesn't provide us anything because any village will hesitate to lynch a discussion-driving playerin D1, and obviously if she's an elim, her teammates won't vote for her. 

12 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

Anyway, I'm interested to see why Gears really thinks that people can't be so certain that when the roleblock/redirect someone and results in something that seems like they hit an elim, they should be cautious. Like, yes, you should always be cautious when dealing with that kind of thing. But the odds of the effects not being caused by your actions are really really slim. Seems like it could be a way to cover the elims in case that happens to them, like he's trying to sow paranoia in our minds and stuff. I really like all the role analysis he's been doing so far, but all of that is basically completely NAI as far as I can tell. I'm gonna go ahead and put a vote on Gears because I want to see what he has to say about this.

This seems to be a weird one. Are you voting for someone just because of a difference of opinion on the mechanics of the game? From my point of view, Gears is absolutely right is wanting to be cautious of suspecting your targets if you're a role-blocker/redirecter. Usually, yes, your point would be a rather reasonable assumption to make, but this game would have like a plethora of roleblock/redirects, and hence I feel Gear's apprehension is a reasonable one. To jump on him and telling he intends to spread paranoia seems a little excessive.

5 hours ago, Kynedath said:

First off, @Gears your style of speech is throwing me off. You talk in a very formal way, being sure to use the right words but at the same time making it just a little harder to understand your true meaning. I want to say that is suspicious to me because it could be a newer elim trying to be deliberate in their words and not give anything away. I remember that was what I was like my first couple times being an elim. But at the same time that could just be your brain and how it works, I'm not one to judge. For now I'll just say that I'll keep my eye on you!

Yeah, I made the same the point in the previous game (QF45, Gears' first game here), but I can confirm that it's usual (or as usual as you can ascertain from a single game) for him. 

13 hours ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

i think el is trying too hard. whether overexcited villager or elim not sure. gears rubbing me the wrong way. always sus of analysis posts written pregame. way to easy to colour opinions without giving away alignment info. gears. no hard feelings, but would also be willing to lynch el.

I'm not sure about lynching Gears solely on the basis of rubbing you the wrong way, or the fact that he wrote a rules analysis before the game began. 

2 hours ago, The_Truthwatcher said:

Araris: They randomly (from my POV) decided to kill Ventyl. They have given no explanation for this.

That's Araris for you.  

2 hours ago, The_Truthwatcher said:

Orlok: They pushed people to vote even on small suspicions. Waiting clearly helps village as it allows for a clearer frame of mind and prevents random vote trains from forming.

That's Orlok for you.

2 hours ago, The_Truthwatcher said:

Devotary: They only talked about how the Surges would interact with the gameplay. There is no accusation or defense of anyone.

Annd, that's Devotary for you.

Now for my suspicions:

16 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

There are 24(ish) players in the game. 

This seems very odd. You would know the no. of players if you looked at the players list, and it seems that you had. You even knew the correct no. of players but suffixed it with an (ish). Why? If you had chosen 20-ish or 25-ish , but you specifically chose 24, the correct no. of players and downplayed your knowledge of that. Why? This may seem nitpicky, but well, elims can let slip the smallest of things even subconsciously, so nitpicky I shall be. Ashbringer.

14 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

If Player A is using Abrasion on themselves, Player B targets Player A with Progression, and Player C targets Player A with a kill while using Gravitation, what happens to Player A?

This seems like an oddly specific question to ask, An elim-y question even. Is there any specific reason you asked this? 

[Coffeecat she/her]

Hello!

I have a lot of trouble with catching up(i can't read the 4 page of posts)

can i have a slight summary of anything of note?

 

I still don't think i can vote, but i would love to know if anything important happened

 

thanks!

[Kynedath]

5 hours ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

@Kynedath would you support a Gear lynch?

@Orlok Tsubodai Actually, Wilson was right. You're messing something up. 

No, TJ cleared up my suspicions of Gears from their speech patterns so I have no real suspicion of them anymore. Plus it's cycle one and I don't vote on cycle one based on principle. I recognize it has to happen and I try to give people something to read in my posts but I never vote day 1.

5 hours ago, Elbereth said:

Kynedath what’s your conclusion on Matrim, then? You were suspicious of him and then trusted him - did those equal out into a neutral read? Are you leaning village on him? 

I'm leaning village on him, I don't think that an elim would be interacting with the village in relation to their confusion as much as Matrim is (I hope that made sense, it's a kinda janky sentence). They seem genuinely confused, although I might have ot go back to other games and see if they talk the same way and in the same general formatting for their posts.

21 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

Yeah, I made the same the point in the previous game (QF45, Gears' first game here), but I can confirm that it's usual (or as usual as you can ascertain from a single game) for him.

Thank you, that helps a lot!

Something to note is that I've gotten an elim gut read on Araris. I can't tell you what that is from right now since I don't have the time to figure it out myself, but I'll be back to hopefully figure that out soon.

[Gears]

3 hours ago, The_Truthwatcher said:

Gears: This is almost exactly how they acted in QF45, except for the changed opinion on poke votes. However, that could be due to the increased length of the game.They were suspicious of Elbereth but did not want to vote. However, were later convinced by Elbereth, Orlok and Araris.

In QF45, voting was mandatory, and thus I wished to vote immediately so I wouldn't forget and invoke the wrath of the Game Masters [oh horror and terror]. In games without mandatory voting [which I think I prefer], I do not wish to vote immediately as it serves no purpose. 

34 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

Gears, why did you feel compelled to vote on Elbereth specifically? Just because someone asks you to vote on them, doesn't mean you should. As far as I know, she asked you to vote on her because you said you wouldn't be against lynching her, but your vote on her seems strictly based on Orlok's suspicion on her. Do you not have someone you suspect that you'd like to vote on? Besides, a vote on her doesn't provide us anything because any village will hesitate to lynch a discussion-driving playerin D1, and obviously if she's an elim, her teammates won't vote for her. 

I must admit that I was mildly annoyed and allowed my emotions to negatively impact my decision making. I apologize. I still don't especially suspect Elbereth, so I'm going to read the many posts made whilst I languished in slumber and return with some thoughts.

[Mat he/him]

9 hours ago, Kynedath said:

First off, @Gears your style of speech is throwing me off. You talk in a very formal way, being sure to use the right words but at the same time making it just a little harder to understand your true meaning. I want to say that is suspicious to me because it could be a newer elim trying to be deliberate in their words and not give anything away. I remember that was what I was like my first couple times being an elim. But at the same time that could just be your brain and how it works, I'm not one to judge. For now I'll just say that I'll keep my eye on you!

First off, I can confirm, both by the QF and prolonged dead-doc talking, that this is perfectly normal for Gears.

7 hours ago, Elbereth said:

My vote is staying where it is for the moment, since Matrim’s explanation wasn’t especially convincing to me. There isn’t any further information I can get there, but... @Matrim's Dice what do you think of Gears being the top lynch candidate right now? What’s your own read on him?

Currently I read Gears as village. He is talking and making points very similar to the ones made in the QF, and none of the current votes on him are super convincing.

6 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

However, I doubt that Matrim is going to leave his vote where it is

Probably true, but for now it sticks.

I appreciate the thread staying on the same page as it was last night...

2 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

This seems like an oddly specific question to ask, An elim-y question even. Is there any specific reason you asked this? 

I was wondering this myself, actually. @StrikerEZ

5 hours ago, The_Truthwatcher said:

I really dislike the current voting trends. None of the votes fell like they have much reason behind them, and are mostly reflections of very weak suspicions/differences of opinion. I am mostly suspicious of Aranis seeing that they have give no explanation for their Ventyl lynch.

Sigh... I agree with the first part, I suppose, but every game someone points out the second part, and because that someone was me last LG I feel like it's my turn to correct you.  That there is just Araris's playstyle, he takes his poke votes seriously. I would say that's NAI for him.

Edit: Turns out TJ already corrected you, a fact that I missed while skimming the thread the first time. Eh.

Edited July 2, 2020 by Matrim's Dice

[Ashbringer he/him]

Araris’s thing is that he won’t take off his “stab votes” until the votee contributes something meaninful to the discussion, rather just an “I’m here!” post.

2 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

This seems very odd. You would know the no. of players if you looked at the players list, and it seems that you had. You even knew the correct no. of players but suffixed it with an (ish). Why? If you had chosen 20-ish or 25-ish , but you specifically chose 24, the correct no. of players and downplayed your knowledge of that. Why? This may seem nitpicky, but well, elims can let slip the smallest of things even subconsciously, so nitpicky I shall be. Ashbringer.

Honestly, it was because there’s no numbers, and I couldn’t count the names while scrolling on mobile very well... my first count I’d gotten 23. Plus, I didn’t want to get jumped on because I said the wrong number... 

I’m going to be fishing for the next few hours, so I’ll probably be offline for then.

[theTruthshaper]

2 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

20 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

There are 24(ish) players in the game. 

This seems very odd. You would know the no. of players if you looked at the players list, and it seems that you had. You even knew the correct no. of players but suffixed it with an (ish). Why? If you had chosen 20-ish or 25-ish , but you specifically chose 24, the correct no. of players and downplayed your knowledge of that. Why? This may seem nitpicky, but well, elims can let slip the smallest of things even subconsciously, so nitpicky I shall be. Ashbringer.

Hmmm, I would think this is NAI, Ashbringer could easily have seen the player list earlier in the sign up thread and not be sure that they remember the correct number. I don't understand why you feel that an elim would be more likely to put the -ish?

 

2 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

That's Araris for you.  

That's Orlok for you.

Annd, that's Devotary for you.

So, this is these player's normal play style? Why do Orlok and Araris play like this?

 

2 hours ago, Gears said:

In QF45, voting was mandatory, and thus I wished to vote immediately so I wouldn't forget and invoke the wrath of the Game Masters [oh horror and terror]. In games without mandatory voting [which I think I prefer], I do not wish to vote immediately as it serves no purpose.

Ah, yes! I figured that it was for such a reason.

 

2 hours ago, Kynedath said:

Plus it's cycle one and I don't vote on cycle one based on principle. I recognize it has to happen and I try to give people something to read in my posts but I never vote day 1.

This is an interesting idea. I might follow your lead with this.

EDIT: 'd by Ashbringer.

Edited July 2, 2020 by The_Truthwatcher

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Yes, hello. Bit busy right now. Don't worry though. I will be active in *checks watch* approximately 15 hours. I would very much like to not be lynched as i expect to have fun with this game, so if you could give me some time, i would appreciate it.

[|TJ| he/him]

1 hour ago, Ashbringer said:

Honestly, it was because there’s no numbers, and I couldn’t count the names while scrolling on mobile very well... my first count I’d gotten 23. Plus, I didn’t want to get jumped on because I said the wrong number... 

Well, there's a numbered list in the original post so..

21 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

I think that means that there will be 10-11 Radiants, probably one of each Order, with a few (2-3) in the hands of the Diagram-ists. I don’t really want to do role analysis as to which Orders we can see as good or bad, except that I doubt the Elims have a Dustbringer or Skybreaker

Besides your other calculations would have to hinge on your count of total number of players, so I'd assume you'd make sure you knew the total before jumping into calculating. I do think I'm grasping at straws (xD) though. I'll keep my vote on you until more people tell me that I'm over-thinking or Striker answers my question. 

1 hour ago, The_Truthwatcher said:

So, this is these player's normal play style? Why do Orlok and Araris play like this?

You'd have to ask them, but I think they would have answered this question a looot of times already xD I think Araris thinks that despite all the suspicion and all the careful planned voting, it's more likely than not that we end up lynching a villager. So might as well vote for a random player and see how it turns.

Edited July 2, 2020 by TJ Shade

[Ashbringer he/him]

I used the list in this thread (which doesn’t have numbers), and I was fairly sure it was within 1-2 of 24. And while it is kinda grasping at straws, at least there are actually straws to grasp 

Edit: of course this makes a new page.

Edited July 2, 2020 by Ashbringer

[Ookla-son-son-Ventyl]

6 hours ago, The_Truthwatcher said:

Ventyl: Why did you ~sort of~ roleclaim? Especially this early? After so many people warned against it?

 

There are a few things I want to say to this. One, I didn’t necessarily roleclaim, I’ve just (anti-roleclaimed?) said I’m not a Willshaper. If I was a Willshaper, we’d be seeing Lafay instead of Valas. Yes, I know. This is very chaotic. Which I think no one here should be surprised by. If Araris is crazy with their votes, then I’m like the Araris of everything else.  Two, I usually like to roleclaim to someone, just because even when I’m village I like to know or have an idea of whose role is what. When I gather this information, it helps me make better decisions and in some cases will impact my reads. For instance (this happened to be in LG66), if two village Lightweavers were killed, and someone was claiming Lightweaver, either they are lying or are an elim!Lightweaver. I necessarily don’t like voting based off of role distribution, but I can see the reasoning behind it. And I wouldn’t be against it if I was already suspicious of the person.
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Also, I don’t agree with either of the lynches. From what I know of my brother, this is just his normal playstyle, and he seems to always get immediate elim reads in every game he plays! And Gears, they were like this in the QF so I don’t think it’s particularly AI. Also I’ll take A Joe in the Bush‘s request in mind and take my vote of him. So unless there is a better lynch target by the end of today, I don’t think I’ll vote.

[|TJ| he/him]

46 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

I used the list in this thread (which doesn’t have numbers), and I was fairly sure it was within 1-2 of 24. And while it is kinda grasping at straws, at least there are actually straws to grasp 

Edit: of course this makes a new page.

Any suspicions at the moment, Ash?

27 minutes ago, Ventyl said:

There are a few things I want to say to this. One, I didn’t necessarily roleclaim, I’ve just (anti-roleclaimed?) said I’m not a Willshaper. If I was a Willshaper, we’d be seeing Lafay instead of Valas. Yes, I know. This is very chaotic. Which I think no one here should be surprised by. If Araris is crazy with their votes, then I’m like the Araris of everything else.  Two, I usually like to roleclaim to someone, just because even when I’m village I like to know or have an idea of whose role is what. When I gather this information, it helps me make better decisions and in some cases will impact my reads. For instance (this happened to be in LG66), if two village Lightweavers were killed, and someone was claiming Lightweaver, either they are lying or are an elim!Lightweaver. I necessarily don’t like voting based off of role distribution, but I can see the reasoning behind it. And I wouldn’t be against it if I was already suspicious of the person.

Huh? You said this:

19 hours ago, Ventyl said:

Considering my role, it would be good for the village for me to know someone’s role or have an idea of it.

EDIT: This doesn’t mean I want anyone to roleclaim in thread, but when we get PM’s I can offer my services to anyone I trust.

How does that translate to "I'm not a Willshaper"? STOP clearing things for the elims! Gahh, you haven't anti-roleclaimed. Anti-roleclaiming is NOT claiming anything at all. Now not only have you told them you're a Radiant, you have also cleared off one order for them. 

There's also a chance Ventyl might be an elim with village-centric role, so we need to be careful with that too. 

[Eternum he/him]

Hey everyone! Haven't really been able to check the thread so far. Give me some time to catch up, then I'll come back with my thoughts. Judging by the 5 pages of discussion, I should have plenty

[Magestar he/him]

Well, this post is probably going to be a little rough.  The shard has now eaten it twice.  Third time's the charm, I suppose?

9 hours ago, Elbereth said:

It’s interesting to know that votes actually motivate you to post! I don’t think I’ve heard anyone say that yet. Is that true for poke votes before you’ve even posted at all, too? Because I can see it later in the game, certainly, but I still struggle to see someone look at the thread for the first time and then just decide not to post, whether or not they have a vote on them. 
(And I’m not going to go on more about this but I also very much think that poke votes of that kind are way less useful and give the elims the ability to hide behind not having opinions or doing anything risky like being suspicious. Will expand on that only if asked.)

So you like role analysis when it’s directed at how the village can use them, but not general role analysis. Which would you say Gears’ falls into? 

Eh, I said I wouldn't talk about this anymore.  Oh well. 

Regardless of alignment, although especially as an Elim, there's not necessarily a lot of incentive for me to post early and often.  If I see a "poke" vote on me, however, it means that I'm already on people's minds.  I tend to view the thread a lot before I post normally, so it's not unlikely that people will see me viewing the thread.  If there's a vote on me, I see it, and I don't post, it looks bad.  So it might just be a me thing, but having votes on me makes me nervous, and encourages me to post faster, rather than letting things simmer.  This is especially the case given how often people get C1 elim reads on me. 

A good example is Araris' first vote on me in LG66.  He'd probably say it was a stab vote.  But I normally wouldn't have posted yet, and instead would have taken some time to analyze things a bit more.  Instead, I decided to post dismissing his vote.

On that note; I do think poke votes are NAI.  Araris' stab vote on me in LG66 is a good example.  I think you'd say that's the more useful kind of vote, but Araris was a kandra in LG66.  There's no reason Elims can't do either kind of vote.

Anyway.  Interesting discussion, if not terribly useful.     

9 hours ago, Elbereth said:

So you like role analysis when it’s directed at how the village can use them, but not general role analysis. Which would you say Gears’ falls into? 

I feel like Gears' hasn't really said much besides extrapolating information from the roles.  There's not a lot in there that really helps the village, IMO.

4 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

This seems very odd. You would know the no. of players if you looked at the players list, and it seems that you had. You even knew the correct no. of players but suffixed it with an (ish). Why? If you had chosen 20-ish or 25-ish , but you specifically chose 24, the correct no. of players and downplayed your knowledge of that. Why? This may seem nitpicky, but well, elims can let slip the smallest of things even subconsciously, so nitpicky I shall be. Ashbringer.

4 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

This seems like an oddly specific question to ask, An elim-y question even. Is there any specific reason you asked this? 

This seems very odd.  Ash's thing isn't really suspicious at all.    You could say it seems a little like couching, but even villagers do that.  I do that.  And the second quote seems like grasping at straws.  Don't let the paranoia overtake you, TJ.   

Hmm.  What else.  Ventyl's odd behavior seems normal for what I've seen of Ventyl, although they were an Elim in the only game I've played with them, so it's hard to say.  The thing with Matrim and Striker is a little odd, but not necessarily alignment indicative.  Could be a distancing tactic if they're both Elims, but that's a stretch this early.  I'll throw a vote on TJ for now.

[Lahilt he/him]

1 hour ago, Ventyl said:

Also, I don’t agree with either of the lynches. From what I know of my brother, this is just his normal playstyle, and he seems to always get immediate elim reads in every game he plays! And Gears, they were like this in the QF so I don’t think it’s particularly AI. Also I’ll take A Joe in the Bush‘s request in mind and take my vote of him. So unless there is a better lynch target by the end of today, I don’t think I’ll vote.

If you do not agree with these lynches why not vote on a player who you are suspicious of?

 

[Straw he/him]

14 minutes ago, Magestar said:

Hmm.  What else.  Ventyl's odd behavior seems normal for what I've seen of Ventyl, although they were an Elim in the only game I've played with them, so it's hard to say.  The thing with Matrim and Striker is a little odd, but not necessarily alignment indicative.  Could be a distancing tactic if they're both Elims, but that's a stretch this early.  I'll throw a vote on TJ for now.

If you're voting for TJ, please use "TJ Shade" or bold it since it's kind of hard to see. In general, bolding votes would be nice.

Vote Count:

Gears (2): Orlok Tsubodai, StrikerEZ
StrikerEZ (2): Matrim's Dice, Sart
Ashbringer (1): TJ Shade
Elbereth (1): Gears
Matrim's Dice (1): Elbereth
TJ Shade (1): Magestar
Ventyl (1): Araris Valerian

[Magestar he/him]

3 minutes ago, Straw said:

If you're voting for TJ, please use "TJ Shade" or bold it since it's kind of hard to see. In general, bolding votes would be nice.

Ah, sorry about that.  

[|TJ| he/him]

8 minutes ago, Straw said:

If you're voting for TJ, please use "TJ Shade" or bold it since it's kind of hard to see. In general, bolding votes would be nice.

Vote Count:

Gears (2): Orlok Tsubodai, StrikerEZ
StrikerEZ (2): Matrim's Dice, Sart
Ashbringer (1): TJ Shade
Elbereth (1): Gears
Matrim's Dice (1): Elbereth
TJ Shade (1): Magestar
Ventyl (1): Araris Valerian

Gears retracted his vote on Elbereth. 

27 minutes ago, Magestar said:

And the second quote seems like grasping at straws.  Don't let the paranoia overtake you, TJ. 

Hey, I've learnt that I should never dismiss my paranoid self.

Seriously though, why would he ask that question? Sure seems specific, doesn't it? 

[StrikerEZ he/him]

6 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

This seems to be a weird one. Are you voting for someone just because of a difference of opinion on the mechanics of the game? From my point of view, Gears is absolutely right is wanting to be cautious of suspecting your targets if you're a role-blocker/redirecter. Usually, yes, your point would be a rather reasonable assumption to make, but this game would have like a plethora of roleblock/redirects, and hence I feel Gear's apprehension is a reasonable one. To jump on him and telling he intends to spread paranoia seems a little excessive.

Is it a little excessive? Maybe. But did it spark some discussion and get people talking about me and Gears? Absolutely. And I think it was worth it. I do still think that Gears was being a bit too paranoid, though I’ll admit I was underestimating just how many redirects and roleblocks are probably in the game. I could see Gears being a villager, but I don’t know. Just something about how much he was pushing for us to be paranoid about the results of people’s actions just doesn’t sit right with me. I’ll be leaving my vote where it is for now, partially because of that and partially because I would rather not get lynched C1 again.

6 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

This seems like an oddly specific question to ask, An elim-y question even. Is there any specific reason you asked this? 

It is specific. It’s because I was just looking through all the roles and was thinking about how they could interact with stuff. I was thinking that a village!Dustbringer would use Abrasion a lot to avoid kills, but if the elims have Adhesion, then their kill will go through he Abrasion anyway. And I was thinking about how the Dustbringer might want to get protection, but then realized if they’re using Abrasion to make sure the kill goes through, then they can’t be protected either. So I was just wondering if that thought process was right or if protection would work even with Abrasion.

I hope that cleared up any confusion people were still having about me. I’m always open to more questions though.

[Illwei]

I'm completely new at forum mafia, (and don't know how much to take from the RP bits) so I'm still trying to firgure out how to...think? here, but I'm slightly suspicious of Ventyl, mostly because claiming to be a radiant seems suspicious just because I would assume it paints a target on your back. However, I really have no clue, because I'm completely new to Forum Mafia.  : )
 

I'm still trying to figure things out, but I figured I'd try and be a good sport by posting something, as it's been a day since the start.

[Gears]

8 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Is it a little excessive? Maybe. But did it spark some discussion and get people talking about me and Gears? Absolutely. And I think it was worth it. I do still think that Gears was being a bit too paranoid, though I’ll admit I was underestimating just how many redirects and roleblocks are probably in the game. I could see Gears being a villager, but I don’t know. Just something about how much he was pushing for us to be paranoid about the results of people’s actions just doesn’t sit right with me. I’ll be leaving my vote where it is for now, partially because of that and partially because I would rather not get lynched C1 again.

Please note that I am not saying that the information is automatically invalid, just that it should not be accepted as fact. And yes, I might be a tad bit paranoid, but what is worse: Trusting something that fails or not trusting something that works? I think the former. Others might think the latter. It is a matter of opinion.

[Ookla-son-son-Ventyl]

2 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

Any suspicions at the moment, Ash?

Huh? You said this:

How does that translate to "I'm not a Willshaper"? STOP clearing things for the elims! Gahh, you haven't anti-roleclaimed. Anti-roleclaiming is NOT claiming anything at all. Now not only have you told them you're a Radiant, you have also cleared off one order for them. 

There's also a chance Ventyl might be an elim with village-centric role, so we need to be careful with that too. 

I’m talking about a different post, I think it was a little earlier. And also, if I’m telling the truth about not being a Willshaper, that still leaves nine other orders that I have the possibility of being. I don’t think letting them know I’m a Radiant is a big deal, because I’m going to guess that the majority of players are Radiants so would it really be a surprise? 

This post is giving be a bad feeling about you TJ Shade. It’s mostly a gut read, but this seems like it could be an elim tactic to make people think you’re a villager.

Just now, Illwei said:

I'm completely new at forum mafia, (and don't know how much to take from the RP bits) so I'm still trying to firgure out how to...think? here, but I'm slightly suspicious of Ventyl, mostly because claiming to be a radiant seems suspicious just because I would assume it paints a target on your back. However, I really have no clue, because I'm completely new to Forum Mafia.  : )
 

I'm still trying to figure things out, but I figured I'd try and be a good sport by posting something, as it's been a day since the start.

I know you’re a new player, but think about your reasoning. Would an elim purposely paint on a target on their back? Sure it could be an elim IKYK situation, but it could easily backfire and get them lynched. Which in my case, I’ll probably end up dying tonight. 

[|TJ| he/him]

49 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

It is specific. It’s because I was just looking through all the roles and was thinking about how they could interact with stuff. I was thinking that a village!Dustbringer would use Abrasion a lot to avoid kills, but if the elims have Adhesion, then their kill will go through he Abrasion anyway. And I was thinking about how the Dustbringer might want to get protection, but then realized if they’re using Abrasion to make sure the kill goes through, then they can’t be protected either. So I was just wondering if that thought process was right or if protection would work even with Abrasion.

I hope that cleared up any confusion people were still having about me. I’m always open to more questions though.

Hmm, don't know how elim!Striker would have reacted to that, but I feel your answer (and your initial question) is genuine. Though those questions might be genuine from an elim too, I think I'm convinced for now. 

38 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I'm completely new at forum mafia, (and don't know how much to take from the RP bits) so I'm still trying to firgure out how to...think? here, but I'm slightly suspicious of Ventyl, mostly because claiming to be a radiant seems suspicious just because I would assume it paints a target on your back. However, I really have no clue, because I'm completely new to Forum Mafia.  : )
 

I'm still trying to figure things out, but I figured I'd try and be a good sport by posting something, as it's been a day since the start.

Welcome! I'm glad you decided to post, and give your thoughts. Yes, Ventyl is weird that way, but he may as well be evil.

Well RP is mostly not an alignment indication. You may choose to indulge in return or you may focus purely on hunting out the eliminators (or misleading the villagers if you are one of the eliminators).

33 minutes ago, Ventyl said:

I’m talking about a different post, I think it was a little earlier. And also, if I’m telling the truth about not being a Willshaper, that still leaves nine other orders that I have the possibility of being. I don’t think letting them know I’m a Radiant is a big deal, because I’m going to guess that the majority of players are Radiants so would it really be a surprise? 

This post is giving be a bad feeling about you TJ Shade. It’s mostly a gut read, but this seems like it could be an elim tactic to make people think you’re a villager.

There's a huge difference in the elims not knowing you're alignment to knowing that you're a Radiant, and not a Willshaper. Yes, there might be quite a few (maybe not majority) Radiants, but they still had to search for them. Even a single peace of information makes it easier for them. 

Many people warned against role-claiming, and you went ahead and partially did that. I expressed my disapproval and stated how your actions benefitted the elims. How does that equate in me being an elim? 

If your argument is that it is elim tactic to act like a villager, yes obviously that's they want to achieve. Does that mean suspecting everyone who appears village? That doesn't seem right. Your plan is to attack someone who feels village? 

You being an elim makes sense too, as by proclaiming you had a role that is of importance to the village, you make the village hesitate to lynch you. I'm really not sure want to make of you right now, since you might be telling the truth, and I hesitate to lynch you for the very same reason above. 

Edited July 2, 2020 by TJ Shade