Mat he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Gears said: The current plan [which no one has verified, please do so at your earliest convenience] is to hold off on lynching Ventyl in case they are actually honest about having a role and seeing if the elims kill them. If the elims don't kill Ventyl in 1-2 cycles [we need to decide this], we will lynch Ventyl. For now, we are attempting to slaughter other suspicions, because there is no scenario where Ventyl lives [we lynch today, elims kill later, or we lynch later]. From what I can tell, the TJ Shade lynch is based off of their attack on Ashbringer's usage of the affix "-ish" after the exact number of players and subsequent retraction after they took suspicion. I mean, I'm fine with this except Multiple people- you included, I might add- have Ventyl as their strongest/only village read The wording of "we will lynch Ventyl"- this is fine until he does something that makes him seem village. We need to be ready to abandon the plan if necessary.
Lahilt he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Ventyl said: I don’t know how I should feel about this post. But at least my post has done it’s job. I’ve generated a lot of discussion! Though, it’s also backfired a little bit, because now I’m going to die soon... Come on guys, I just want to live for a whole game for once! If we let an Elim live the whole game the village will automatically lose.
Gears Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 Just now, Matrim's Dice said: I mean, I'm fine with this except Multiple people- you included, I might add- have Ventyl as their strongest/only village read The wording of "we will lynch Ventyl"- this is fine until he does something that makes him seem village. We need to be ready to abandon the plan if necessary. Ventyl is the strongest village read because we have assumed that an elim would not roleclaim as that would not be advantageous in any scenario. However, as a few people have pointed out [I don't remember who though], this could be a strategy to masquerade as a confused villager. Yes, if Ventyl acts in a way that definitively proves their villager status, we will not lynch them.
The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 Another aspect to the scenario is squires: if Ventyl's lynched today, they'll not have had a chance to get a squire, and so we'll lose a valuable role. I think that delaying lynching Ventyl for just a bit, in case they are a radiant, is the best call. I doubt the elims can make squires, so the team's probably either a handful of knights or a bunch of vanillas. Maybe some people could have Honorblades? Idk. Anyways, I'm swinging towards letting Ventyl live for squiring.
Gears Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 Just now, The Young Pyromancer said: Another aspect to the scenario is squires: if Ventyl's lynched today, they'll not have had a chance to get a squire, and so we'll lose a valuable role. I think that delaying lynching Ventyl for just a bit, in case they are a radiant, is the best call. I doubt the elims can make squires, so the team's probably either a handful of knights or a bunch of vanillas. Maybe some people could have Honorblades? Idk. Anyways, I'm swinging towards letting Ventyl live for squiring. The current plan is to not lynch Ventyl for a few cycles. We should agree upon a set time limit for their survival. Does 2-3 cycles seem long enough?
Ashbringer he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) I like this plan, so long as it gives time to make a better judgement. I doubt that the Elims will kill Village!Ventyl if we promise to lynch him for them. Although I think Elims will have at least one Radiant... Hey! Transferable Honorblades were my game idea! Edited July 2, 2020 by Ashbringer
Mat he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 1 minute ago, The Young Pyromancer said: I doubt the elims can make squires, so the team's probably either a handful of knights or a bunch of vanillas. Maybe some people could have Honorblades? Idk. Why wouldn't they be? @Straw Since when were there Honorblades in this game xD
Magestar he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: TJ thought me saying there were “24(ish)” players when there are, in fact, exactly 24 players was suspicious. Which I kinda understand. Everyone else... not so much. I'm voting for TJ is because they're as good a lynch as anyone. Their lynch will give us some information, I don't see a better one, and some of TJ's posts seem a little uncharacteristically frantic. That seems pretty decent for D1. 9 minutes ago, The Young Pyromancer said: I can see TJ's point there. It makes me feel a little off about Ash. I don't support the TJ lynch here. I still don't see TJ's point. It just seemed like grasping at straws to me. 3 minutes ago, The Young Pyromancer said: Another aspect to the scenario is squires: if Ventyl's lynched today, they'll not have had a chance to get a squire, and so we'll lose a valuable role. I think that delaying lynching Ventyl for just a bit, in case they are a radiant, is the best call. I doubt the elims can make squires, so the team's probably either a handful of knights or a bunch of vanillas. Maybe some people could have Honorblades? Idk. Anyways, I'm swinging towards letting Ventyl live for squiring. Why would you doubt the Elims can make squires? I didn't see anything in the rules that would even suggest that. Where are you getting Honorblades from? If Ventyl's an Elim KR, wouldn't it make sense to kill them sooner rather than later, so they don't squire? I'm so confused. And I've been ninja'd a half dozen times. Whatever. Edited July 2, 2020 by Magestar
The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 Balance, as the whole drawback of squires is you might end up choosing an elim by accident, which is not something the elims have to worry about. And I'm saying there could be. It wouldn't be the first time something like that happened.
The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 Just now, Ashbringer said: *Taravangain has entered the chat* ???
Ashbringer he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) If we’re going to debate about suprise game mechanics... Edit: ... Edited July 2, 2020 by Ashbringer
Gears Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 @Ventyl, if you are indeed a villager and you have a significant trust, you may wish to squire that individual as the elims and the village are gunning for your head. If you are an elim, then you are going to die in 3 cycles [Players, please confirm the plan. Is 3 cycles too long?].
Ashbringer he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 Village or Elim, the Elims won’t kill Ventyl if we agree to lynch him Cycle 3, as we’re either right and the Elims wouldn’t kill him for us, or we’re wrong and the Elims can count on a mislynch. Although a Division user might take it into their own hands. But I think the plan will work for now. It puts some pressure on Ventyl to prove himself, and possibly keeps the Elims off a village Radiant for a while.
The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 Maybe. The commitment to lynch them might fade, or the elims kill off people who are sus of them.
Gears Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Ashbringer said: Village or Elim, the Elims won’t kill Ventyl if we agree to lynch him Cycle 3, as we’re either right and the Elims wouldn’t kill him for us, or we’re wrong and the Elims can count on a mislynch. Although a Division user might take it into their own hands. But I think the plan will work for now. It puts some pressure on Ventyl to prove himself, and possibly keeps the Elims off a village Radiant for a while. You're probably right about that, but this at least leaves Ventyl alive long enough to ensure we don't entirely waste a Knight Radiant. [Ventyl, you may wish to squire someone you trust as you probably won't live long enough to actually do much]. How many cycles should we leave Ventyl alive for? I have asked many times and received no answer.
Lahilt he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gears said: @Ventyl, if you are indeed a villager and you have a significant trust, you may wish to squire that individual as the elims and the village are gunning for your head. If you are an elim, then you are going to die in 3 cycles [Players, please confirm the plan. Is 3 cycles too long?]. Promising Ventyl 3 cycles is too long. We will probably have other lynch options by then. I say we let them live this cycle so if they are Radiant they can squire. Next cycle we can decide if we lynch them.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Gears said: This is true, which is why I noted that we might wish to refrain from lynching Ventyl for a few cycles and see if the elims kill them. If they do not [after a time interval we all agree upon, such as 1 or 2 cycles], we may wish to lynch them. As Ashbringer says, if you make a definitive statement like 'we will lynch Ventyl in X cycles', the elims won't kill him even if they suspect he has one of the few village power roles. They'd be more inclined to kill people they can't lynch. If you want to wait before lynching Ventyl, it's with the understanding that you'd want an alignment scan, kill, or squire backup; otherwise we might as well lynch Ventyl now.
Straw he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Author Posted July 2, 2020 16 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Why wouldn't they be? @Straw Since when were there Honorblades in this game xD Every Knight Radiant, including any elim Knights Radiant, can create exactly one squire. There are no surprise game mechanics. So, no Honorblades in this game.
Gears Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: As Ashbringer says, if you make a definitive statement like 'we will lynch Ventyl in X cycles', the elims won't kill him even if they suspect he has one of the few village power roles. They'd be more inclined to kill people they can't lynch. If you want to wait before lynching Ventyl, it's with the understanding that you'd want an alignment scan, kill, or squire backup; otherwise we might as well lynch Ventyl now. That's true. How about this: We will not lynch Ventyl until we run out of more pressing lynch targets. Ventyl, prove your worth by doing something useful.
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Gears said: That's true. How about this: We will not lynch Ventyl until we run out of more pressing lynch targets. Ventyl, prove your worth by doing something useful. Alright, I’ll think of someone to squire. @Straw if I squire this turn, the target gets the power the same turn right? EDIT: If someone has a protection role, I would appreciate it if you would use it on me, because I won’t be able to use my Surges after I squire. EDIT 2: Also, if someone has an alignment scan, go ahead and scan me. I have nothing to hide. Edited July 2, 2020 by Ventyl
Illwei Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: TJ thought me saying there were “24(ish)” players when there are, in fact, exactly 24 players was suspicious. Which I kinda understand. Everyone else... not so much. I mean, you never know if one of those people is actually 1000 cremlings in a trenchcoat... *narrows eyes suspiciously* Edited July 2, 2020 by Illwei 1
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 @Elbereth I hope you’re not a Radiant, because I’m going to Squire you.
Mat he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Ventyl said: @Elbereth I hope you’re not a Radiant, because I’m going to Squire you. I don't know what to think about you just telling the thread.
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said: I don't know what to think about you just telling the thread. Can’t exactly PM him now can I? Edited July 2, 2020 by Ventyl
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