Mat he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 Just now, Ventyl said: Can’t exactly PM him now can I? Not saying anything is also an option. Not to attract suspicion my way by saying this, but *winces* This seems like a good way to discover if someone's a Radiant or not without squiring. El, before rollover: Don't squire I'm a Radiant Not that I think they would admit this, but still. TJ may have a point. First you claim Radiant, now you claim 1. You are squiring this turn 2. Who you're theoretically squiring. Something is off.
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 If nobody saw my edit in one of my previous post. I’m perfectly fine with someone alignment scanning me.
Ashbringer he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 Lord Faleast had a headache. Brightlord Faleast, he reminded himself. He still had some trouble with that adjustment, particularly the bright green eyes. Fortunately Roshar had few mirrors, especially for men. Faleast marched with the rest, toward their new campground. He’d heard a few whispers about how such an old man obviously past his fifties had kept up with all the new “recruits”. These whispers had made him smile, although his lips didn’t move. If they’d known how old he actually was, they would have a lot more to talk about. And if they’d known how old AraRaash was, they’d never dare talk about him again. The Diagram is acting up again. If they know we’re here, what we’re capable of... we may need to remove them. “I doubt Taravangain has anything to worry about with us,” Faleast whispered. “We’re not here to interfere with your abilities. So long as we keep them hidden, we’re just as safe as anyone here.” His voice took a harder tone. “And thanks to your new present, even a Shardblade won’t do much to us.” Bloodmaking is a useful skill. Better used in my... our hands, the voice in his head that was AraRaash said. It was a necessary loss. Besides, what we came to Roshar for is exactly what the Diagram doesn’t want anyone to find. Just now, Illwei said: I mean you don't know if one of those people is actually 1000 cremlings in a trenchcoat I swear, Straw, if Faleast gets eaten by a Kandra one day and then turned into a Sleepless the next... 1
Mat he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ventyl said: If nobody saw my edit in one of my previous post. I’m perfectly fine with someone alignment scanning me. To clarify: I don't think we should lynch you this cycle. It's just your playstyle of claiming willy-nilly is off putting.
Gears Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 @Ventyl, squires get PMs with their Knights. Don't squire El anymore. Do anyone else.
Straw he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Author Posted July 2, 2020 28 minutes ago, Ventyl said: Alright, I’ll think of someone to squire. @Straw if I squire this turn, the target gets the power the same turn right? Squiring is night only. A Squire starts with no charges of Stormlight, and has to wait for the next Highstorm in order to start using their Surge. However, they do immediately gain a PM with their Knight and learn what Surge they have.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 Well...this is certainly interesting, to say the least. I'm not going to say much about the stuff with Ventyl besides for the fact that...I have no idea what to make of this. It seems exactly like the kind of harebrained stuff that he would come up with, regardless of alignment. I could easily come up with multiple scenarios for what he's trying to do with this for both possibilities of his alignment. I'm not going to bother speculating on which ones are the most likely until I start seeing some other things from him. @Gears Just so you know, I'm not voting for you because of a disagreement about roles, but because I think you're trying to sow too much paranoia in the village. @Araris Valerian I'm not sure why you voted on Devotary. I read the post a couple times, but I just didn't actually see a good reason for your vote anywhere? Either that or it was right there in front of my face and I missed it somehow.
Orlok Tsubodai Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Gears said: The current plan [which no one has verified, please do so at your earliest convenience] is to hold off on lynching Ventyl in case they are actually honest about having a role and seeing if the elims kill them. If the elims don't kill Ventyl in 1-2 cycles [we need to decide this], we will lynch Ventyl. For now, we are attempting to slaughter other suspicions, because there is no scenario where Ventyl lives [we lynch today, elims kill later, or we lynch later]. From what I can tell, the TJ Shade lynch is based off of their attack on Ashbringer's usage of the affix "-ish" after the exact number of players and subsequent retraction after they took suspicion. lol why would elims kill ventyl if we declare well lynch her if she survives? elims can read thread too...
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Gears said: @Ventyl, squires get PMs with their Knights. Don't squire El anymore. Do anyone else. This makes sense... I completely forgot about that! EDIT: @Orlok Tsubodai I don’t know if it was on accident, but I’m a dude... Edited July 2, 2020 by Ventyl
Gears Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Orlok Tsubodai said: Lol why would elims kill ventyl if we declare well lynch her if she survives? elims can read thread too... If Ventyl manages to prove useful enough, we might let them live. [So elims, we might not lynch them. Keep that in mind.]
Mat he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said: Lol why would elims kill ventyl if we declare well lynch her if she survives? elims can read thread too... Is no one talking about the capital 'L' This is a valid point, though.
Illwei Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ventyl said: This makes sense... I completely forgot about that! Wait, why does this make sense? I assumed your goal of announcing was to make sure he wasn't a radiant. If not, what did you accomplish by announcing who you were going to squire?
StrikerEZ he/him Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said: Lol why would elims kill ventyl if we declare well lynch her if she survives? elims can read thread too... Orlok, I think it's time to pay up to wilson.
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Is no one talking about the capital 'L' This is a valid point, though. Rip Orlok... he owes Wilson something..?
Orlok Tsubodai Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 indeed. @little wilson, i offer you up my recognition that autocorrect is a nightmare. you have my renewed respect. 2
Mint11 she/her Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 @Elbereth I'm here okay, are you happy I don't think I'll be as active in this game as I was in the QF Given how Ventyl played in the last QF, their posts here are NAI. The chaotic vibe he gives off is just how he plays. Also, I don't remember exactly which players said it, but I agree that D1 role analysis is NAI. Re: alignments: I'm reading Matrim as village. His suspicion of Striker, genuine confusion, and eventual clarity all strike me as genuine. Elims tend to do more... posturing. And since I know someone will ask, no I don't have any other reads yet. I'll probably read through the thread again later, unless some new drama comes up, in which case I'll be reading those posts.
Elbereth she/her Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Illwei said: I see things like this - which do seem logical - and my mind immediately sees that as suspicious because it feels like a way to misdirect On the other hand I still want to think Ventyl is an elim because people seem to have arguments as to why they aren't that base around their strategy not being good for an elim- Not saying that they would be a bad elim, but that one might ..pretend? to be a bad elim to make people think that they...aren't? the elim? I...I can't trust anything Welcome to SE. 3 hours ago, TJ Shade said: Basically, the same thing that's been happening so far. I draw an unfair amount of suspicion based on my D1/C1 votes because I tend to over-analyze posts because I'd like my votes to have some reasoning behind them. In doing so, my reasons seem flimsy and draws suspicion. Mostly, the suspicion comes from elims but ends up drawing the villagers too. I'm a bit surprised by the "flying under the radar" bit. Mint said the exact same thing in QF45, and she flipped elim. I'm trying to ask people their reasoning behind their votes. I stated I dislike Gear lynch due to the odd reasoning of Orlok behind it. I stated my disapproval at Ventyl's claim. (abridged) We also need to talk about Ventyl. He told with strong conviction that he expects to be killed tonight. So why do it? Why claim to the thread? It serves no purpose at all. It only created confusion. Why should we dismiss it because an elim would not want to draw attention to themself? Why would a villager draw the attention of elims? Let's see the advantages he gets by claiming if he's an elim. Wanting your votes to have reasoning is good! But multiple people have had reasoning for their votes, and in my opinion yours have seemed flimsy less in a 'it's D1 I'll take anything' sort of way and more a 'I need to find some excuse for voting' which much more often comes from an eliminator perspective, I think. I don't think you've been flying under the radar generally, and I'm certainly not accusing you of lurking - I'm saying you've flown under my radar. You've been about as active as expected, you've said reasonable things, and I haven't looked closer than that. (The comparison to Mint saying the same phrase is... mildly weird to me. Not sure what to think of that; would appreciate outside opinions since I'm obviously biased here.) He knows he's going to be killed tonight now. I think it's perfectly plausible from village!Ventyl's perspective not to realize that initially. You're reasoning as if he knew what the effects of his claim would be when he claimed, whereas I think it's entirely understandable - and indeed more likely - that he just didn't realize that by 'don't roleclaim' people meant KR rather than 'don't claim a specific role'. I tend to think that cleverness like that does exist, but it's much more rare than most people think. 41 minutes ago, Ventyl said: @Elbereth I hope you’re not a Radiant, because I’m going to Squire you. ???? 38 minutes ago, Ventyl said: Can’t exactly PM him now can I? Her, and no. And please don't announce in thread who you're going to squire. As others have said. I'm curious why you chose me, though? - @Frozen Mint YAY. And you don't have to be as active - we've got 48 hour days for a reason. (And honestly, thank goodness. Knowing there's still 20ish hours left in the cycle is so nice and relaxing.) Thank you for having reads! I think I have other comments, but I'm writing this while at D&D so will post those later if I think of them.
Araris Valerian he/him Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 38 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: @Araris Valerian I'm not sure why you voted on Devotary. I read the post a couple times, but I just didn't actually see a good reason for your vote anywhere? Either that or it was right there in front of my face and I missed it somehow That's kind of the point, I guess. Devotary has made several posts, but hasn't actually given any opinions or voted. Basically, it's pretty normal to get mild suspicions of people that are posting a lot. Devotary has posted a fair amount, but nothing in their posts was particularly off-putting. That makes me suspicious in and of itself.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Araris Valerian said: That's kind of the point, I guess. Devotary has made several posts, but hasn't actually given any opinions or voted. Basically, it's pretty normal to get mild suspicions of people that are posting a lot. Devotary has posted a fair amount, but nothing in their posts was particularly off-putting. That makes me suspicious in and of itself. I guess that makes sense. I'm just not too suspicious of that because that tends to be how Devotary plays most of the time. It's in the later game when stuff like that sets off my radar, because she normally starts to give more reads and stuff as the game reaches the middle/end.
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 34 minutes ago, Elbereth said: Welcome to SE. Wanting your votes to have reasoning is good! But multiple people have had reasoning for their votes, and in my opinion yours have seemed flimsy less in a 'it's D1 I'll take anything' sort of way and more a 'I need to find some excuse for voting' which much more often comes from an eliminator perspective, I think. I don't think you've been flying under the radar generally, and I'm certainly not accusing you of lurking - I'm saying you've flown under my radar. You've been about as active as expected, you've said reasonable things, and I haven't looked closer than that. (The comparison to Mint saying the same phrase is... mildly weird to me. Not sure what to think of that; would appreciate outside opinions since I'm obviously biased here.) He knows he's going to be killed tonight now. I think it's perfectly plausible from village!Ventyl's perspective not to realize that initially. You're reasoning as if he knew what the effects of his claim would be when he claimed, whereas I think it's entirely understandable - and indeed more likely - that he just didn't realize that by 'don't roleclaim' people meant KR rather than 'don't claim a specific role'. I tend to think that cleverness like that does exist, but it's much more rare than most people think. ???? Her, and no. And please don't announce in thread who you're going to squire. As others have said. I'm curious why you chose me, though? - @Frozen Mint YAY. And you don't have to be as active - we've got 48 hour days for a reason. (And honestly, thank goodness. Knowing there's still 20ish hours left in the cycle is so nice and relaxing.) Thank you for having reads! I think I have other comments, but I'm writing this while at D&D so will post those later if I think of them. I was going to Squire you for no other reason than that you were the first to take your vote off me IIRC. And anyone who doesn’t want to kill me is a friend in my book! Not much of a good reason, but I don’t really have any solid village reads right now, and El is the closest one. Also, you’re right, I probably will die this cycle no matter what happens, so maybe I shouldn’t squire. But if anyone wants me dead, considering Gravitation, even if I had a way to survive it wouldn’t matter. Just, I hope I don’t die. I’ll probably put a hold on my Squiring until I know I’m safe.
Orlok Tsubodai Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 torn between moving vote to striker or ventyl. hoping someone convinces me either way. still think gears sus.
Gears Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ventyl said: I was going to Squire you for no other reason than that you were the first to take your vote off me IIRC. And anyone who doesn’t want to kill me is a friend in my book! Not much of a good reason, but I don’t really have any solid village reads right now, and El is the closest one. Also, you’re right, I probably will die this cycle no matter what happens, so maybe I shouldn’t squire. But if anyone wants me dead, considering Gravitation, even if I had a way to survive it wouldn’t matter. Just, I hope I don’t die. I’ll probably put a hold on my Squiring until I know I’m safe. If the elims are trying to kill you, you will die tonight. If you squire someone, the odds of squiring a villager are in your favour. Therefore, you should probably squire someone or we'll lose a Knight Radiant for nothing. I would recommend squiring someone who's not inactive [so we can use the power] and not El, but use your best judgement.
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Gears said: If the elims are trying to kill you, you will die tonight. If you squire someone, the odds of squiring a villager are in your favour. Therefore, you should probably squire someone or we'll lose a Knight Radiant for nothing. I would recommend squiring someone who's not inactive [so we can use the power] and not El, but use your best judgement. 3 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said: agree not squiring el. she also sus for me. Are y’all trying to gain my favor so I’ll squire you?
Gears Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, Ventyl said: Are y’all trying to gain my favor so I’ll squire you? No. I am simply telling you that if you do not squire someone and die, your role was worthless.
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