Straw he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 Hmm, I hope that some of the inactives will post a bit more. I'll see how things play out over the next few hours and then voice my suspicions.
Arinian Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Amanuensis said: I think I'll start with a vote on Striker. What are your thoughts on Straw, Rand, Yitzi, Stick and Brightness? I'm not on the list but still I think I will give short thoughts about that people. First I already said on D1 what I think about Straw but I will repeat. Straw surely was acting in the same way he was acting in LG33, he was imitating activity and was not very involved too. Though in LG33 he was villager, I played couple other games with him so can't say much more, but I will say that in other games his behavior was not much different and in some games he was just not very active(inactive after some time). So I can say that I slightly leaning village for him, just cause I haven't seen something unusual that can be interpreted as change in behavior due to alignment. Rand. Was acting a bit more agressive then usual for him, so I think that much more then anything else says that he is villager(of course no one for me is hard cleared, never, only if I was scan role(but there no scan roles in this game, so yeah no one fully cleaned for me in this game)). I will explain why I think that he is villager. Remembering his behavior from LG30 I can say that he is very careful, if he was elim he would never do something serious(or that can lead to his lynch) that can implicate that he is elim(of course what he done is can be very unexpectable move to make us think that he is not elim... but that looks like too complicate and dangerous). So I think he just made fast move without putting deep thoughts in it. And that is more usual for villagers, they feel much more free with their lifes(not so scared of being lynched for stupid moves, or not thinking too much about what they post and how it can backfire). I already said what I think about Yitzi not long ago... so not gonna repeat that. Stick and Brightness... I will just constate fact that there some people on which I instantly getting bad read. Stick and Brightness... I just have bad read on them, I don't have any reasons for that, so better don't listen to my opinion about that, all time when I was suspicious of Stick... you know, she was villager.(Also will just add that people on which I getting instant bad gut read is: Magestar, Aonar, Araris) I think later will add analyze on other people from Aman's list or not from Aman's list "Shrug". Also later will add vote...hmm...
Steeldancer he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 3 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Oh wow I'm alive. Cool. @The Flash @cloudjumper @asterion137 @Paranoid King @StrikerEZ @Elenion @Araris Valerian @Ecthelion III @Drake Marshall @Yitzi2 @Dalinar Kholin These are players I'm either suspicious of or have absolutely no significant reads on. I would like them to be the focus of discussion today. I think I'll start with a vote on Striker. What are your thoughts on Straw, Rand, Yitzi, Stick and Brightness? Same question for everyone on this list, as well as your thoughts on each other, please and thank you. Aman I'm hurt you still think I'm an elim. not actually lol. I know I can't be cleared perfectly, so why is it that you think I'm an elim? And I think @BrightnessRadiant should be able to help speak for my non-elimness.
Steeldancer he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 22 minutes ago, STINK said: Why would you trust brightness Because I have good reason to. I don't trust her perfectly (and she doesn't trust me perfectly either) but we've been strategizing together in PM. I've got a pretty strong villager vibe from her.
DeTess she/her Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) I was planning on doing a re-analysis of BR. Then I found out just how many posts she'd made. I'm still going to go through her posts, but not right now(will do so before the cycle ends unless some disaster happens). Instead I'm going to take a look at @The Flash, as Lopen's suspicion's have intrigued me. So, let's start with my conclusion: The flash is, in my opinion, somewhat suspicious, but at the moment not quite suspicious enough to justify a vote unless I can't find anyone that is more suspicious. There's a number of things that stood out to me. I've already mentioned that I fount his insistence on voting C1 while at the same time claiming he was thoroughly confused odd. His insistence on keeping all his suspicions under wraps until D1 (and therefore the lynch vote) was over also stood out to me, especially since his eventual suspicion post seemed to be composed almost entirely of gut-reads (at least, he referred to specific posts and acts that made him suspicious only a handful of times). His evaluation of myself also seemed decidedly Neutral, where during D1 he seemed to be sure enough about his vote on me to stand up against Aman(which isn't a wrong thing to do in and of itself, Aman has been both wrong and evil in the past, and will be so in the future, but it seems odd when compared to his later read on me). Two One specific posts I want to mention: Quote You are correct, in both points. However Randuir is not the only person I am suspicious of. But for the sake of not making this day any more confusing than it already is, I will hold on my suspicions and see what happens. I don't see how sharing your suspicions makes something more complicated. If anything, shouldn't showing your opinions on what is going on help clarify what is going on? At this point, the flash ninja'd me, and more or less clarified the second point I felt was odd. So, Flash, could you maybe shed some more light about your reasoning for the post I quoted? Edited June 28, 2017 by randuir
Steeldancer he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 11 minutes ago, randuir said: I was planning on doing a re-analysis of BR. Then I found out just how many posts she'd made. I'm still going to go through her posts, but not right now(will do so before the cycle ends unless some disaster happens). Instead I'm going to take a look at @The Flash, as Lopen's suspicion's have intrigued me. So, let's start with my conclusion: The flash is, in my opinion, somewhat suspicious, but at the moment not quite suspicious enough to justify a vote unless I can't find anyone that is more suspicious. There's a number of things that stood out to me. I've already mentioned that I fount his insistence on voting C1 while at the same time claiming he was thoroughly confused odd. His insistence on keeping all his suspicions under wraps until D1 (and therefore the lynch vote) was over also stood out to me, especially since his eventual suspicion post seemed to be composed almost entirely of gut-reads (at least, he referred to specific posts and acts that made him suspicious only a handful of times). His evaluation of myself also seemed decidedly Neutral, where during D1 he seemed to be sure enough about his vote on me to stand up against Aman(which isn't a wrong thing to do in and of itself, Aman has been both wrong and evil in the past, and will be so in the future, but it seems odd when compared to his later read on me). Two One specific posts I want to mention: I don't see how sharing your suspicions makes something more complicated. If anything, shouldn't showing your opinions on what is going on help clarify what is going on? At this point, the flash ninja'd me, and more or less clarified the second point I felt was odd. So, Flash, could you maybe shed some more light about your reasoning for the post I quoted? Essentially at that point I was suspicious of @Arraenae. In fact, I still am. However, I have no reason to be sure that she is elim, and in day 1, I just didn't want to bring up a whole new target just based on a gut read. And brightness I apologize for missing your PM. I meant no offense, but I was in youth conference in Kirtland so I wasn't perfect about checking everything on the site. I agree with your ideas, as they were essentially my thoughts as well. we can discuss more once the night turn comes around, as long as someone burns tin.
Stick. she/her Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) Flash's D1 posts: 1. Confused because he hasn't read the thread due to rl commitments. NAI. 2. Expresses doubts in Joe being the convict and making a deal with the PO and questions why Joe's role-claim would indicate he wants an alliance. NAI, I think. 3. RP. NAI. 4. Reminds us that he's alive. And places a vote on Straw bc PMs. Joined the bandwagon, but didnt really give reasoning beyond 'I dont trust PMs'. Mild elim read. 5. Responds to Straw's request for reasoning. Quoting this post: Quote A. I have no idea what is going on. It's day 1! Does anybody know what is going on? I'm kind of hoping that following better minds than mine will work until we get more info. The only thing we know for sure (sort of) is that Joe might be Valjean. I don't feel like lynching neutrals. I would rather encourage them to help us. Lynching YOU, will (maybe?)give us information of non-neutral roles. So his reasoning is basically a) It's D1 and D1s usually go like this. True, I guess. b) Following better minds than his will 'work'. This gives me an elim vibe, tbh. How would you know if the more experienced players are to be trusted? They could be evil, it's almost like you know they're villagers. c) Straw's lynch will give us info. What information would it have given? I mean, part of why I didn't vote on Straw was exactly that- it wouldn't have given us like any useful info. 6) Retracts his vote after Straw tells him to vote on Rand if Flash wants the neutrals to help the village and that he's annoyed that he joined the wagon. Flash then places the vote on Stink. Says he wasn't paying close attention to the thread. I..don't know what to make of this post. The fact that he voted on Stink right after agreeing with the post that says he'd want the neutrals to help the village suggests he wasnt exactly caught up-to-date with the thread. It also throws me how quick he was at retracting his vote, like Straw didnt really give him a valid reason to- reasons that would counter why Flash voted on him in the first place. Though he claimed that he had just seen that the wagon was partly unfounded. This could either be an elim trying to go with the flow, or a confused villager. I think I'm going to go with the latter, not sure. 7) Removed his vote from Stink after I informed him he claimed neutral and asks who to vote on. Slight village read on removing vote off Stink, slight elim read for asking whom to vote on. Like, I think an elim would try to appear village by doing things like this; though it's not a very strong case, so only a slight elim read. 8) Aman tells Flash to vote on whoever he believes could be evil and asks for Joe's opinion on Rand, and Flash responds by asking Joe for his views on who he thinks could be evil. Dodging the question? He did analyse every player later on- during the Night turn. Not sure. 9) Agrees with Orlok's post about Rand trying to appear village and swinging the neutrals towards the elim team. Places vote. Tells Aman he took notes and found people he's suspicious of, but he'll wait and use it later. If he had solid suspicions, I dont see why he'd hesitated to share them. Was Orlok's case against Rand stronger than his against the players he was suspicious of? [this is kind of answered in his next post]. Still don't see why he'd have rather shared his suspicions later on than now. Elim vibe. 10) Says that Rand is, in fact, one of the players he's suspicious of after Aman asks. Also says that there's more players he's like to mention, but will hold 'for the sake of not making this day any more confusing than it already is'. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 11) Says he doesn't trust his suspicions, when Jond prodded him to share. Says he'll share them tomorrow and that he's relatively new, hence his caution. He earlier claimed to have 'solid' suspicions, and now he isn't very sure of them. Mild elim vibe. Whew this took longer than I thought it would. For now, Flash. This might change after I take a look at his N1 posts, though. If Flash flips evil, I'll have a stronger Village read on Rand, I think. edit:ninjad a lot edit2: not exactly ninjad but all the posts after stink's didnt appear until after i posted so..same dif edit3: random emoji that needed deleting Edited June 28, 2017 by _Stick_ 2
Arraenae Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 I'm in class now, will come back later. Can't talk now.
Steeldancer he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 Ok that's 4 people who think I'm elim because crimsn sent a PM last night accusing me of being an elim, asking me "how my teammates are". Maybe I should explain what I've been doing during the night turn. @cloudjumper, @Amanuensis and @BrightnessRadiant should all be able to speak for the fact that I said what I say I did. Essentially, I realized that because we have unlimited PMs, I needed to make allies. So I contacted brightness, and revealed my role to her. She also revealed her role to me, and (hopefully) we are working together. Then I realized-what if she's an elim? So contacted cloudjumper, and told him that if I got killed by the elims, than brightness was probably an elim, and he should lead a lynch on her. THEN I realized that cloudjumper might be elim. Or both might be elim! So I contacted aman, and told him that if I got killed by the elims, and neither cloudjumper or brightness said anything regarding suspicions of the other, then they would be both elims. I also before this told brightness that I had told cloudjumper that I was in contact with her, and that it was possible that cloudjumper might try to kill me to cause a mislynch on brightness. I may have over estimated my value to the village, because A. I'm not dead B. They might not be elims at all, so the set up was probably fruitless anyway. Aman also asked what I would do if all three of them were elim, to which I said I would give up and die, because there would be no more point. I trust aman the most, brightness the second most.
STINK he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, The Flash said: So I contacted brightness, and revealed my role to her. She also revealed her role to me hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Straw he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, STINK said: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Why are you laughing a slightly nefarious laugh!?
STINK he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 Oh also btw, another tineye is gonna have to buy the rounds today.
Steeldancer he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 29 minutes ago, STINK said: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Why do you feel so sure that she isn't what she say she is? Why would you think she is lying? I'm sorry, but I'm not inclined to trust a neutral intent on making chaos for their own enjoyment.
STINK he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 Just now, The Flash said: I'm sorry, but I'm not inclined to trust a neutral intent on making chaos for their own enjoyment. yeah trust me so are the elims thats not directed at the flash
Arraenae Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 1 hour ago, The Flash said: Essentially at that point I was suspicious of @Arraenae. In fact, I still am. However, I have no reason to be sure that she is elim, and in day 1, I just didn't want to bring up a whole new target just based on a gut read. And brightness I apologize for missing your PM. I meant no offense, but I was in youth conference in Kirtland so I wasn't perfect about checking everything on the site. I agree with your ideas, as they were essentially my thoughts as well. we can discuss more once the night turn comes around, as long as someone burns tin. Flash, more opinions are always better, especially during the day. Nobody (except for the elims) can be sure that anybody else is an elim D1. Even gut reads can be useful. Sometimes bringing up a gut read can inspire others to look at that player. Do you have any specific posts that I've made that give you bad gut feelings about me? I know I haven't been the most engaged player recently -- I have a bad habit of skimming the thread but not thinking very much about it.
Steeldancer he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 15 minutes ago, Arraenae said: Flash, more opinions are always better, especially during the day. Nobody (except for the elims) can be sure that anybody else is an elim D1. Even gut reads can be useful. Sometimes bringing up a gut read can inspire others to look at that player. Do you have any specific posts that I've made that give you bad gut feelings about me? I know I haven't been the most engaged player recently -- I have a bad habit of skimming the thread but not thinking very much about it. well first off, why did you reveal Joes role to the thread? I might have missed for your reasoning why you revealed that, but i thought it was suspicious. I also am not perfectly engaged, which is why i have discrepancies in many of my posts. And other than that, its just a gut elim feeling I get when reading your posts... even now, and I can't place WHERE its coming from, it just... is.
Arraenae Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Flash said: well first off, why did you reveal Joes role to the thread? I might have missed for your reasoning why you revealed that, but i thought it was suspicious. I also am not perfectly engaged, which is why i have discrepancies in many of my posts. And other than that, its just a gut elim feeling I get when reading your posts... even now, and I can't place WHERE its coming from, it just... is. Actually, I didn't reveal it. Straw did, and I followed up. I think it's fairly important to confirm that yes, I thought Joe was telling the truth about being Neutral because I got a very similar PM as well. I also thought I could clarify by giving Joe's stated motivations. I'm trying to work on my transparency, because in LG33, I saw Wilson highlight how it helps the village to have more information, especially if the elims know it already or everyone almost knows. A lot of people tend to gut read me as elim. I suppose I'm just an inherently suspicious person.
Steeldancer he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 Just now, Arraenae said: Actually, I didn't reveal it. Straw did, and I followed up. I think it's fairly important to confirm that yes, I thought Joe was telling the truth about being Neutral because I got a very similar PM as well. I also thought I could clarify by giving Joe's stated motivations. I'm trying to work on my transparency, because in LG33, I saw Wilson highlight how it helps the village to have more information, especially if the elims know it already or everyone almost knows. A lot of people tend to gut read me as elim. I suppose I'm just an inherently suspicious person. Well, I missed that. Whoops. I guess its back to square one for me then. And why did Straw choose to reveal Joe's role again?
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 6 hours ago, Amanuensis said: I think I'll start with a vote on Striker. What are your thoughts on Straw, Rand, Yitzi, Stick and Brightness? Wow, it's the first time someone's voted against me! Exciting! /sarcasm Anyway, time to start, I guess. As for Straw, I think that I basically agree with everyone that this first few PMs seemed kind of redundant and useless. It seems like he was just trying to get in as many PMs as possible to gather information (which has been speculated before somewhere in D1, I think) and he never really contributed all that much in the PMs. For example, I ended up being in 3 PMs with him: one with just him, one with the groups of three, and another based on the Fibonacci numbers (though that was actually started with PK). In my personal one with him, he asked me what I thought of the game (wow, big surprise), I responded, and he didn't respond until I messaged him again the next day. Even then, the conversation didn't last very long. In the group PM, he just let BR, Elenion, and I just talk it out, though I can't remember if he actually said anything. I don't think he said anything in the Fibonacci group either. Nothing besides those first few posts of his and the PM thing really seem all that suspicious, but I have a heavy neutral/weak elim read on him. As for Rand...I'm still not sure. I feel suspicious of him, just because he really seemed to be going hard on the neutrals D1, though I'm not sure what to make of his later posts. Mainly a neutral/slight village read for me. I don't even know for Yitzi and Stick. I'm writing this just off of the top of my head, so I don't have much suspicions for either of them right now. Once I finally get to my big suspicions post for everyone, I'll discuss these two there. As for Brightness, I really feel like she's just trying to help the village out as much as she can in her posts. She definitely feels village to me, with maybe a slight lean to neutral. Of course, for some reason, Brightness always feels village to me, even when she's an elim, so she's pretty good at seeming village, in my opinion. I'll have to do some major analysis on her posts. Hope that helps!
Stick. she/her Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 12 minutes ago, The Flash said: Well, I missed that. Whoops. I guess its back to square one for me then. And why did Straw choose to reveal Joe's role again? Joe had asked Straw if he was elim and said that he and the ward would help him if he is, this was why he revealed it, iirc 13 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: I don't even know for Yitzi and Stick. I'm writing this just off of the top of my head, so I don't have much suspicions for either of them right now. Once I finally get to my big suspicions post for everyone, I'll discuss these two there. does this mean I'm one of your big suspicions? Aw
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 16 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: does this mean I'm one of your big suspicions? Aw No, it just means I have to go analyze and actually write out my suspicions post, which will be big. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Of course, you could still end up on my suspicious list, possibly.
STINK he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 1 hour ago, StrikerEZ said: As for Brightness, I really feel like she's just trying to help the village out as much as she can in her posts. She definitely feels village to me, with maybe a slight lean to neutral. Of course, for some reason, Brightness always feels village to me, even when she's an elim, so she's pretty good at seeming village, in my opinion. I'll have to do some major analysis on her posts. hahahahahahahahahahaha
Paranoid King he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 7 hours ago, Amanuensis said: ... @Paranoid King These are players I'm either suspicious of or have absolutely no significant reads on. I would like them to be the focus of discussion today. What are your thoughts on Straw, Rand, Yitzi, Stick and Brightness? In an attempt to be more active, I've been going through and summarizing everyone's posts. I've gotten to Elenion by now, and I am exhausted. I do not look forward to summarizing your posts. Anyways, of the people on that list, I've only gotten to Straw so far. He's posted the most of everyone on my list, even if his posts are short, not to mention all the PMs he's made. And I'm sure he's talked to people a bit more in those PMs. In short, he's really active. I've got a definite villager vibe from him in that he's being really active without trying to influence the strategy too much. I feel like an elim would channel all that time a bit more effectively. I'm not sure I understand the controversy over rand yet. From what I saw, he proposed a strategy that neutrals don't like. If he's a villager, he'd turn the neutrals against the village, so he should be lynched. If he's an elim... he should be lynched... I guess I can see that point of view. If we lynch him and he's village, we show the neutrals that we don't support his strategy? I feel like there's probably better ways to show that, but lynching works too. The only thing I've seen about Yitzi/Stick was that Striker thought they were odd. I'll have to get back to you after I've done their summaries. (Addendum: Yitzi is a bit more ambivalent in this game than in previous ones. I haven't seen his playstyle before, but I guess so. The last-minute switch was odd, too. I'll tag him as a probable elim. Yitzi. I'll check his posts eventually.) Brightness has been helpful, I guess. So, village? She's next on my list, so . . . Bfjdklwf. I'll look at her posts now. Wow. By my count, she has posted 71 times so far. Anyways, she changed votes a lot D1, and voted against Randuir, which Aman doesn't like, but I'm leaning pretty heavily village. Her reasoning for changing her vote at the end was that she felt like all of her top suspects were village. I agree with that. I've said it before, but on D1, since the villagers don't know who to lynch but the elims do, the lynch tends to turn up villager. I feel like she was justified in changing her vote last minute. She also proposed a solution for why the elims would attack Orlok. If Yitzi turns out to be evil, I can see lynching her, but until then, I don't think she's a good target. Having read over her votes, I have no idea how to react to Joe. It looks like he claimed he was a neutral who would help elims, and asked PM partners if they were elims. That seems horribly unsafe. I'm not sure why he'd do it as a elim sympathizer, because he'd just get lynched by the village. The only explanation I can think of is that he was just trying to draw elims out and betray them. But he could claim he was trying to do that as either a villager or an elim. Blah. I'm gonna keep finding suspicious people I have to research. But I'm done for now. I'll be back later, after I've summarized more posts.
Ecthelion III he/him Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) Spoiler PMs are closed apparently, so BR, here is my response encrypted with a vigenere cipher. The keyword is the seventh word of your first pm. xywyyggmovnvevyycapemif? (If this is breaking the forum rules let me know) I don't care what alignment we think STINK is, it looks to me like he is trying to intentionally sow chaos (hmmm, this sounds vaguely deja vu) and that reads "definitely not village" to me. Edited June 28, 2017 by Ecthelion III forgot to red stink 1
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