Long Game 35: L35 Miserables

[STINK he/him]

9 minutes ago, Seonid said:

The more I think of this, the more I'm suspicious of Aman

Part gut, part being uncomfortable with his ardent defense of randuir. Part because of the way he turned the lynch away at the last minute. Part because of his demonstrated propensity to play counterintuitively as an Elim before. And part because I'm paranoid.

I should note that I don't trust Joe at all. And I should warn the rest of you that you shouldn't either. Convict? Could be. Could be an Elim claiming the convict. Sure, two players can refute it, but both players who can also have incentive to work with the Elims. And if the convict or PO actually calls them out, then they risk being Elim!killed. It's a risky move, but it's totally something Joe might do.

Do I actually believe this theory? Not really. But am I worried enough about it to bring it up? Certainly. And I think it's worth discussion.

seonid lock stinks favourite dude of the day

[Yitzi2]

16 minutes ago, asterion137 said:

so the alphabet is ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQURSUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz 0123456789?

It would seem so.

[STINK he/him]

3 hours ago, Ecthelion III said:

  Reveal hidden contents

PMs are closed apparently, so BR, here is my response encrypted with a vigenere cipher. The keyword is the seventh word of your first pm.

xywyyggmovnvevyycapemif?

(If this is breaking the forum rules let me know)

I don't care what alignment we think STINK is, it looks to me like he is trying to intentionally sow chaos (hmmm, this sounds vaguely deja vu) and that reads "definitely not village" to me.

didnt see this originally soz

k so 1, did you even respond to my pm

2, definitely not village isn't a hard thing to reach

3, im pointing out elims which yeah is chaos if you're an elim i guess

4, numbered lists are cool

5, blah blah blah im gonna use ciphers because im so cool

6, o wait ciphers dont really help anyone WHEN THEY'RE SO OBVIOUS

7, seriously though get a better system im already salty enough then this stuff goes on what r u doing ecth

ALSO BRIGHTNESS STILL LIKE DEFO EVIL

[asterion137 he/him]

1 minute ago, Yitzi2 said:

It would seem so.

was gonna go tryhard and write some python code but then i realized with spaces included theres only one role with 13 letters including the space

[Ecthelion III he/him]

@STINK Well since it's so obvious you should tell the whole thread my role. It's not even a good one anyway.

[Yitzi2]

4 minutes ago, Ecthelion III said:

@STINK Well since it's so obvious you should tell the whole thread my role. It's not even a good one anyway.

Actually, it's BR's role that was given in a cipher.

EDIT: Also, Asterion, maybe you should try to figure out the key before you're so certain you have the right answer.

Edited June 28, 2017 by Yitzi2

[Arraenae]

Alright, that was useless. Store closed too early, so I can't do network analysis today.

Once I finish dinner, I'll stop procrastinating and look at Lopen's posts.

I feel like Rand is a higher priority lynch than Aman. Rand was up for the lynch yesterday, said that thing against Neutrals, and is an important part of the whole Aman - Rand thing.

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

@Yitzi2 I only gave Ecth the code word though...so how is it easy?

Wait......what...people voting on Aman  sorry I just have to say that he's one of my biggest village reads at this point and I'm uber suspicious of anyone voting on him. Especially if the elims used their first kill attack to help the thief's child then they'd really wanna use this lynch to take out their biggest target..just sayin

Gonna go do some analysis be back later...

[Yitzi2]

Just now, BrightnessRadiant said:

@Yitzi2 I only gave Ecth the code word though...so how is it easy?

It's not.  Vigenere ciphers have the weakness that the number of characters in the ciphered version is the same as in the original message, so we know your original message had 13 characters.  Since it's a role, there are only so many possibilities.  However, his idea would imply that (if my calculations were accurate) the key is nonsense, which it shouldn't be if it's a fictional last name.

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

4 minutes ago, Yitzi2 said:

It's not.  Vigenere ciphers have the weakness that the number of characters in the ciphered version is the same as in the original message, so we know your original message had 13 characters.  Since it's a role, there are only so many possibilities.  However, his idea would imply that (if my calculations were accurate) the key is nonsense, which it shouldn't be if it's a fictional last name.

Haha yeah I thought of the character thing....trust me 

Edit: @Ecthelion III 7th word of my first pm with you on the Shard or from this game lol

Edited June 28, 2017 by BrightnessRadiant

[Steeldancer he/him]

19 minutes ago, Ecthelion III said:

@STINK Well since it's so obvious you should tell the whole thread my role. It's not even a good one anyway.

Hey 1000th post ecth and I'm totally with brightness here. 

And won't all codes have the same number of letters? I think it would get heck more complicated if it DIDN'T have the same number of letters per word. 

[DeTess she/her]

I get Seonid's reasoning for voting on Aman.  I think I bring up similar reasoning for a suspicion and vote at least once per game: "Person A defends person B for some reason, person B ends up being village, which apparently only person A seems to know. How did person A know that?"

However, this seems like the kind of obvious mistake Aman wouldn't make. He could be playing an IKYK game for the better part of the C1 cycle with this, but personally, I don't see it. I'll try to do some more analysis tomorrow, but it's rather late here right now and I know that typing stuff while I'm tired does note end well.

Vote tally:

Striker(1): Aman

The flash(2): Lopen, Stick

Yitzi(1): PK

STINK(1): Ecth

Aman(2): Yitzi, Seonid

Randuir(1): Arraenae

P.S.: @Arraenae, I can see how it would be useful info if I die and flip elim for the Aman discussion. If I don't flip elim however, would you reckon it would still help solve the Aman situation?

 

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

1 minute ago, The Flash said:

Hey 1000th post ecth and I'm totally with brightness here. 

With me on what? lol

[Steeldancer he/him]

1 minute ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

With me on what? lol

Not killing aman. Or me. 

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

Just now, The Flash said:

Not killing aman. Or me. 

Haha ok I wasn't sure cuz you said that you were with me after quoting something else lolz 

[Steeldancer he/him]

7 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

Haha ok I wasn't sure cuz you said that you were with me after quoting something else lolz 

Lol sorry didn't mean to confuse you. 

Preferably, to keep the village from lynching a helpful villager or a useless villager (me), I should find a better candidate for the lynch (which would also help me feel... less useless!). And that will mean trawling through day 1 again. Whoop-dee-doo. 

Edit: or we could kill stink for generally being annoying. 

Edited June 28, 2017 by The Flash

[Yitzi2]

8 minutes ago, randuir said:

I get Seonid's reasoning for voting on Aman.  I think I bring up similar reasoning for a suspicion and vote at least once per game: "Person A defends person B for some reason, person B ends up being village, which apparently only person A seems to know. How did person A know that?"

However, this seems like the kind of obvious mistake Aman wouldn't make. He could be playing an IKYK game for the better part of the C1 cycle with this, but personally, I don't see it. I'll try to do some more analysis tomorrow, but it's rather late here right now and I know that typing stuff while I'm tired does note end well.

Vote tally:

Striker(1): Aman

The flash(2): Lopen, Stick

Yitzi(1): PK

STINK(1): Ecth

Aman(2): Yitzi, Seonid

Randuir(1): Arraenae

P.S.: @Arraenae, I can see how it would be useful info if I die and flip elim for the Aman discussion. If I don't flip elim however, would you reckon it would still help solve the Aman situation?

To answer your question to Rae: I think it would provide some input, but not as much as if Aman dies and doesn't flip elim; this was my main reason for voting Aman over you.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

I feel like we should stop focusing on Rand and Aman. Unless we get better evidence against them, I feel like we're likely gonna end up shooting ourselves in the foot by focusing the lynch discussion on them. Especially since I'm leaning towards both of them being village. That's my opinion on the whole "Rand and Aman" stuff at least.

I'll get a response to Flash up soon I hope.

[Yitzi2]

1 minute ago, TheMightyLopen said:

I feel like we should stop focusing on Rand and Aman. Unless we get better evidence against them, I feel like we're likely gonna end up shooting ourselves in the foot by focusing the lynch discussion on them.

Agreed.  I think they're the most suspicious, but that doesn't mean we should close down the discussion.

[little wilson she/her]

Yeah, uh. When I said that major tinfoil during the day, I wasn't saying I was actually serious about it. You're going to get nothing out of today if the discussion focuses on them, because I highly doubt either will actually be lynched today.

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

I've got some things to do this evening, but I agree that we should probably be looking at someone else other than Aman and Rand. I don't feel like either are elims. I wanna get some analysis up on the players I posted suspicion of, but it will be later tonight probably.

[Arraenae]

1 hour ago, randuir said:

 

P.S.: @Arraenae, I can see how it would be useful info if I die and flip elim for the Aman discussion. If I don't flip elim however, would you reckon it would still help solve the Aman situation?

 

Probably, yeah. It would also help with D1. I'm pretty sure I'm kind of tunnelling on you at this point, though. I really should look at what Lopen's said. >.<

[asterion137 he/him]

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Edited June 29, 2017 by asterion137
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[TheMightyLopen he/him]

7 minutes ago, Arraenae said:

Probably, yeah. It would also help with D1. I'm pretty sure I'm kind of tunnelling on you at this point, though. I really should look at what Lopen's said. >.<

Have fun with that. Or, ya'know, I could save you the trouble by just admitting I'm village.

[Arraenae]

Wow, that was so much shorter than Yitzi and Randuir.

In the beginning of the game, Lopen jokes around. A lot of it is fluff.

Lopen summarizes the thread a little and says he's suspicious of Stick. He jokes around more and says that he can't focus too well and has a cold. (Fair enough.)

Lopen banters around some more. He says he has a village read on Straw.

Lopen agrees with Aman that Straw is a bad lynch.

Lopen says that he's ambivalent about Randuir, thinks BR is village, and agrees with Wilson about Yitzi. He says that there isn't very much substance in the thread, which I agree with. There's a lot of fluff, which is great when it's being made, but very annoying for all the poor people on mobile who have to scroll through it.  Lopen also has a vote tally, so he's keeping track of discussion.

Lopen says that he made a mistake in the vote tally, so he went back and fixed it.

He asks people to stop making Aman sad. Fluff post.

Lopen says that he has to leave now, but when he comes back, he'll vote, probably for Yitzi or Stick.

Lopen says that anybody who wants to change the direction of the lynch should speak up sooner rather than later, and he's surprised that there's so many votes on Rand. Lopen points out that Rand isn't a rookie elim.

Lopen considers Wilson's tinfoil. Lopen normally comes up with paranoid theories, so it's fairly standard for him. He expands on Wilson's tinfoil.

Lopen votes on Yitzi, probably because of Aman's reasoning. He thinks Straw might be village and the votes on Rand are to save Straw.

There's more stuff, but after skimming through it, I really don't think there's anything too relevant. There's no point in just summarizing posts. Overall, Lopen feels very relaxed about the game. He's thinking, but not too hard. I think Lopen's a villager who's not in tryhard mode now, which would make sense because of the headache he mentioned. I'm not entirely sure if part of my gut read is due to his naturally friendly vibes (because no one wants to lynch a friendly guy). Leaning village, will check later to see if Lopen puts more effort into the game later.