Amanuensis he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) Just now, Matrim's Dice said: TC can only be used before rollovet IC. Carry on. ED1T: SILENCE! Edited February 13, 2023 by Amanuensis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 Cycle closed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 Spoiler On a dark se night Cool wind in my hair Fog of war everywhere Rising up through the air Up ahead in the distance I saw a shimmering coin My head grew heavy and my sight grew dim I had to stop for the night There Fifth stood in the doorway I heard the notification bell And I was thinking to myself "This could be Aftermath or this could be Hell" Then Kas opened up D6 And he showed me the way There were voices down the corridor I thought I heard them say Welcome to the PM Paranoia Such a lovely place (such a lovely place) Such a lovely pace Plenty of room in the PM Paranoia Any time of year (any time of year) You can find it here Our reads are all twisted These rules are bloody weird We got a lot of different scans That we call cleared How they argue in the thread Steel's evil I bet Some reread to remember Some choose to forget So I voted up the GM "Please bring me my win" He said, 'We haven't seen that rule here Since LG41" And still those voices are calling from far away Wake you up in the middle of the night Just to hear them say Welcome to the PM Paranoia Such a lovely place (such a lovely place) Such a lovely pace Livin' it up in the PM Paranoia What a nice surprise (what a nice surprise) Bring your alibis sorry not sorry 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 Spoiler >>> Fadran was removed! Night Six has begun! It will end in a little under 23.5 hours at 10:00 PM EST (-5:00 UTC) on Monday 13 February. Count of Votes: Channelknight Fadran (5): Archer, Ashbringer, Biplet, Matrim's Dice, The Wandering Wizard Archer (4): Amanuensis, Araris Valerian, DrakeMarshall, JNV 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) Rule Clarifications: Spoiler Kas and Fifth are only valid vote targets at parity. The wincons are complete. Flipless implies no roles and no alignments. Survivals, if any, will be written up in the standard way. We can neither confirm nor deny that we are inciting a civil war, thus providing the necessary blood sacrifice to complete the nationwide transmutation circle and create a sufficiently powerful philosopher's stone to attain God. Player List: Spoiler 1. @Ashbringer as Ash the Amateur, a RPing college student 2. @The Wandering Wizard as Emma, twin of Wiz, corruptor of all, avatar of the Kaos. 3. @Steeldancer as Steel 4. @Channelknight Fadran as Fadran the Guy From the Fellowship of the Thing Who Has Never Done This Before. 5. @StrikerEZ as Kjell, an overworked, stressed out man who really needs a break 6. @xinoehp512 as xinoehp513, a newbie to the forum that is very puzzled that his name was already taken. 7. @JNV as JNV 8. @Matrim's Dice as Matrim's Dice 9. @Biplet as Biplet 10. @Araris Valerian as Metalcognition, definitely not an imposter of the founder of SE. 11. @Devotary of Spontaneity as Cecelia, Devona, and Saponin 12. @Amanuensis as Adavantos 13. @The Known Novel as TKN (The Known (and Totally Kool) Novel) 14. @The Bookwyrm as Bookwyrm, the SE deprived Sharder who's doing this even though it might be a bad idea. 15. @Tani as Mehelin, a random bystander who isn't Randby. 16. @Archer as Archer, a player that's hellbent on PM spidering. 17. @Walin as Walin, the consistently befuddled and absent SE-er 18. @|TJ| as mad watcher 19. @dannnnnex as Danex 20. @DrakeMarshall as Drake 21. @Orlok Tsubodai as Orlok (he's Orlok right? I think?) 22. @Random Bystander as Random Bystander 23. @Sart as Sart 24. @Shining Silhouette as Silho, bootleg King's Wit 25. @The last Fae in the Woods as The last Fae in the Woods Edited February 13, 2023 by Fifth Scholar 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 Might want to try that second post again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Might want to try that second post again Eh, it contains all relevant information. Somewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channelknight Fadran Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 that wasn't very cash money of you [my last words] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 How’s the spec doc doing these days? Having fun watching us all suffer? Also is the plan at the moment to have Drake hold off on shooting, or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikerEZ he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 26 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said: Eh, it contains all relevant information. Somewhere. You know, you’ve got a point. Also did that one vote on Kasimir disappear? Or did someone move their vote without me noticing at EoD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Channelknight Fadran said: that wasn't very cash money of you [my last words] I mean. You could have voted Archer to at least tie it and maybe survive via RNG Good to see your Kas vote didn't count tho 8 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Also is the plan at the moment to have Drake hold off on shooting, or what? Tbh that's just Archer's take. I'd prefer him narrowing our PoE. JNV/Mat pairing particularly needs a lil pruning. Especially since I'm pretty sure Fadran is V for not even bothering to self prez and that means Confirmed Villager is real Edited February 13, 2023 by Amanuensis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biplet she/her Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 Just now realizing that stoned probably means, like, the the historical act of stoning someone, not, y'know, drugs 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 Votes on Kas only count at parity. Or only count if it exes him at parity which would lose us the game. Or something like that. It’s open to interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 Tbh I think Aman is morally bound to read every dead player as village Like, it started as serious, but it’s half a joke at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Ashbringer said: But where's Orlok's vote? Didn't have enough time to post this b4 rollover but I wanted to Spoiler 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Tbh I think Aman is morally bound to read every dead player as village Like, it started as serious, but it’s half a joke at this point I mean, do you think e!Fadran doesn't vote to save himself? But also yes. The problem I'm having is that I second guess myself on everything IRL and IG anyway, and this particular mix of Blackout, Fliplessness, Role Corruption/Disruption, and Claim Chaos has accerlated and evolved that into hundredth guessing myself. And on the inverse, I'm literally suspicious of everyone still alive for one reason or another. Like I also have reasons to v!read players but at this point I'm willing to literally kill every single one of you at the drop of a hat Anyway, I'm kinda doubting e!JNV again too because Sart's D1 response to my Refugee claim was very aggressive. He definitely saw it for the trap that it was and I feel like he'd tell theoretical e!JNV not to bite. Which again leaves me pondering about e!Archer, since he PM'd Araris instead of me Edited February 13, 2023 by Amanuensis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araris Valerian he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 If there are still 2 living elims, my money would be on JNV and Archer. Since we can’t NK Archer, I’d suggest JNV to Drake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) ALIGNMENTS: Spoiler Aman - Village - From Striker Lynchbait Scan, Sart N1 Scan* Striker - Village - From Bookwyrm N1 Scan Wizard - Village - From Fae 'SE Buddy' role Orlok - Village - From Bookwyrm N2 Scan, backed up by Araris antitroll. Mat - Village - From UPS Scan Araris - Village - From Bookwyrm N3 Scan, Sart N2 Scan* Biplet Elim - From Sart N3 Scan* Steel - Elim - From RandBy N4 Scan Tani - Elim - Claimed Shining - Okay fine claim redacted 2 Elims in pool of Mat/Drake/Ash/Shining/TJ/Archer/Steel/TKN - from Orlok Tie Guy 2 Elims in pool of Mat/Drake/Ash/Shining/Biplet/Wizard/Amanuensis/Orlok - from Steel Tie Guy* * Sart and Steel are relatively likely Elims. ROLES: Spoiler Ashbringer - Thread Master (Immune to Execution), Veteran (Removes one vote from self) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Proven) Wizard - PM Spider (Creates a 1-on-1 PM on Odd Nights and learns a fact about a target on Even Nights (incorrect fact if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) Steeldancer - Pinch Hitter (Copy the Role of a Removed/DDoSed player (does something interesting if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) Fadran - Troll (may Troll players, gives a random player Troll Immunity next cycle if Trolled), Confirmed Villager (Always scans as Village) (Seems concerned about someone who's trying to incite a civil war, thus providing the necessary blood sacrifice to complete the nationwide transmutation circle in order to create a sufficiently powerful philosopher's stone and attain God) (Status - Role 1 Proven via Troll Immunity generation, Role 2 Unproven) Striker - Lynchbait (Will place an Extra Vote on a random player who both had a vote on the Lynchbait at the 24 hour mark of the previous Day turn and is of the same alignment), Stab Voter (If your first vote is placed in the first 24 hours of a Day turn and does not change, it counts as double) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unproven, Dead) xino - Multiquoter (Learn target's target (learn who targeted the target if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Unproven, Role 2 Unknown) JNV - UPS Driver / PM Spider (Creates a 1-on-1 PM on Odd Nights and learns a fact about a target on Even Nights (incorrect fact if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) Matrim's Dice - Tunnel Constructor (Force execution to either kill you or a target player, if triggered before Rollovet) (Status - Role 1 Unproven, Role 2 Unknown) Biplet - Meme Maker (Can see if a target gets Trolled (false info if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven as Bip knew the role name, Role 2 Unknown) Araris - Meme Maker (Can see if a target gets Trolled (false info if Trolled) ), Porch-Sitter (Added vote to self, more powerful other effect) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Proven but to unknown effect) Devotary - RPer (May copy one of target player's roles to use the next turn (temporarily grants the RPer role to the Troll (or the target?) if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) Amanuensis - Goalkeeper (Protect target other player (turned to a Kill if Trolled) ), Troll (may Troll players, gives a random player Troll Immunity next cycle if Trolled... I think) (Status - Role 1 Proven via initial claims, Role 2 Proven via initial claims) TKN - Goalkeeper (Protect target other player (turned to a Kill if Trolled) ) The Bookwyrm - Analyst (Alignment Scan someone you voted for or who voted on you last turn (incorrect alignment if Trolled) (Status - Role 1 Proven via RandBy, Role 2 Unknown) Tani - RPer (May copy one of target player's roles to use the next turn (temporarily grants the RPer role to the Troll (or the target?) if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Unproven, Role 2 Unknown) Archer - PM Spider (Creates a 1-on-1 PM on Odd Nights and learns a fact about a target on Even Nights (incorrect fact if Trolled) ), Rules Ignorer (Ignores most Night Actions) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unproven even if it would explain a good amount) Walin - Troll (may Troll players, gives a random player Troll Immunity next cycle if Trolled... I think) (Status - Role 1 Proven via Troll Immunity, Role 2 Unknown) TJ - Wallposter (Roleblock target player (Makes target immune to non-Troll Disruption if Trolled) ), Veteran (Removes one vote from self) (Status - Role 1 PseudoProven, Role 2 PseudoProven but can confirm via a vote) Dannnnnex - Tie Guy (Learn alignments of players involved in a tie (need specifics, ??? If Trolled) (Status - Role 1 Proven via Orlok and Steel, Role 2 Unknown) _Stick_/Drake - Terminal Seeker (NK a target (protects the target if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) Orlok - Pinch Hitter (Copy the Role of a Removed/DDoSed player (does something interesting if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) RandBy - RPer (May copy one of target player's roles to use the next turn (temporarily grants the RPer role to the Troll (or the target?) if Trolled) ), Tunnel Constructor (Force execution to either kill you or a target player, if triggered before Rollovet) (Status - Role 1 Proven via initial claim, Role 2 Unproven) Sart - Analyst (Alignment Scan someone you voted for or who voted on you last turn (incorrect alignment if Trolled) Shining - Discussion Leader (Move a vote) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unproven) Fae - PM Spider (Creates a 1-on-1 PM on Odd Nights and learns a fact about a target on Even Nights (incorrect fact if Trolled) ), SE Buddy (Automatically know one Villager is Village at game start) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unproven) We're missing an Elim Roleblocker. VOTE COUNTS: Spoiler D1: Quote StrikerEZ (6): Araris Valerian, Ashbringer, Devotary of Spontaneity, Shining Silhouette, Stick, The Bookwyrm The Bookwyrm (3): StrikerEZ, The Wandering Wizard, xinoehp512 Walin (3): Channelknight Fadran, Matrim's Dice, Archer Amanuensis (2): Sart, Steeldancer Shining Silhouette (2): Amanuensis, TJ Channelknight Fadran (1): The Known Novel Stick (1): Orlok Tsubodai The Wandering Wizard (1): Tani D2: Quote Danex (6): Amanuensis, Ashbringer, Matrim's Dice, Stick, The Wandering Wizard, xinoehp512 Araris Valerian (2): Sart Ashbringer (1): Shining Silhouette JNV (1): TJ Matrim's Dice (1): Danex Orlok Tsubodai (1): The Bookwyrm Aman (1): Stick (1): Araris Valerian Walin (1): Archer D3: Quote Steeldancer (4): Archer, Ashbringer, DrakeMarshall, The Known Novel Walin (4): Matrim's Dice, Shining Silhouette, Steeldancer, TJ Biplet (2): Sart, The Wandering Wizard Araris Valerian (2): The Bookwyrm Sart (1): Araris Valerian ... why is there bold for D3? Idk. It's gone now. D4: Quote Ashbringer (3): Ashbringer, Biplet, Matrim's Dice, The Wandering Wizard, Orlok Tsubodai Biplet (3): Amanuensis, DrakeMarshall, Shining Silhouette Steeldancer (1): Random Bystander Sart (1): D5: Quote Steeldancer (7): Archer, Channelknight Fadran, JNV, Matrim's Dice, Orlok Tsubodai, The last Fae in the Woods, The Wandering Wizard Sart (4): Amanuensis, Ashbringer, DrakeMarshall, TJ Channelknight Fadran (3): Araris Valerian, Biplet, Steeldancer Biplet (1): Sart D6: Quote Channelknight Fadran (5): Archer, Ashbringer, Biplet, Matrim's Dice, The Wandering Wizard Archer (4): Amanuensis, Araris Valerian, DrakeMarshall, JNV I'm kind of at a point where we're pretty sure somewhere we've gotten 3 elims down. Whether that's Tani/Sart/Steel or other people, we're doing alright. So there's at most 3 Elims alive. Probably less. So what if we just... go from here without all that? We know roles, or at least most of them. We've got 10 players left, 2-3 Elims among them, and a few people who are fairly solidly cleared. Edit: well that posted before I wanted to but I'll leave it there for now. Edit: a little bit of coloring Edited February 13, 2023 by Ashbringer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 ok so this is probably not a surprise? but I'm leaning towards terminally seeking JNV rn Any questions, comments, concerns? While I make no particular promises to listen you can certainly voice them Also... Not particularly related to anything, but I am realizing this game has some pretty fun endgame situations for if it gets down to a really low player count. If it gets down to 1v1 village vs. elim in the final day of the game, it isn't just some lame coin toss to decide the vote, it's basically a big court trial between them with the orange players as judges, juries, and executioners. Which sounds very fun Alternatively, if it gets to a 1v1 on a night turn where it's me versus an elim (other than Archer I suppose bc RIP in that case), then the game probably draws, because everyone dies. If this happens, then the GMs actually succeed in inciting a civil war, thus providing the necessary blood sacrifice to complete the nationwide transmutation circle and create a sufficiently powerful philosopher's stone to attain God 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Order he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 I would like to raise the point that many of you seem to be disregarding. You assume far too high levels of elim doc interactions and warning, especially with the fairly inactive elim team we've seen so far. During the AG, we were a decently communicative group, probably with the most discussion of our actions I've ever personally seen, but that was pretty much limited to putting posts in the doc first, and maybe mentioning that we sent a PM after we already sent it. In most games, the communications was far less, mostly just discussing elim kills and maybe a little extra. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Known Novel said: I would like to raise the point that many of you seem to be disregarding. You assume far too high levels of elim doc interactions and warning, especially with the fairly inactive elim team we've seen so far. During the AG, we were a decently communicative group, probably with the most discussion of our actions I've ever personally seen, but that was pretty much limited to putting posts in the doc first, and maybe mentioning that we sent a PM after we already sent it. In most games, the communications was far less, mostly just discussing elim kills and maybe a little extra. Yea, this is a very good point. It really isn't that rare when you're on an elim team for a player to forget to put in an order for their ability, or to put in an order and then go offline so your teammates can't reach you to change it in accordance with a new plan. And this sort of thing is really why I don't think we need to conceive of a reality where the elims were playing optimally with all of their actions on every night. I usually try to be more proactive about discussing and coordinating such things when I'm in a doc, but only because not doing that has bitten me in the past Probably, we could read into which players would be more likely to make up a less communicative doc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNV Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: ok so this is probably not a surprise? but I'm leaning towards terminally seeking JNV rn Any questions, comments, concerns? While I make no particular promises to listen you can certainly voice them Sounds good to me no complaints here um question does Archers role mean they cant get murdered most is not all night actions so yeah Id put a quokka but Im on mobile and sleepy right now so imagine theres a quokka thats napping good night 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 Idk if Tani/Steel/Sart needs a lot of coordination. I agree those three would be more inactive in doc (although meta-wise I wonder if Steel was supposed to be the thread anchor), but Sart's gambit doesn't really need Steel's input. Anyone in Aman/Archer/Mat/Ash/Araris/Drake could function as a thread anchor too, and Wiz and Bip (with more time) wouldn't be half bad at it either. So I doubt hunting for that would get us much anyway. (Which is good because it's a bit too meta for my tastes ) Where are the Elims at though? Aman is clear via Striker (and backup from Bookwyrm) and via Sart. I'm clear in pretty much any E!Sart world and from Thread Master being a potential Village loss condition. Archer might be Elim, but V!Archer is untouchable by Elims. Drake NKed Tani N1, which despite panic about E!Coinshot, still. Araris has an ability that somehow needs a downside more than Thread Master does. Bip got pushed by Sart in what most people consider an attempt to save Steel. Mat, JNV, Wiz, Fae... idk. Mat was cleared by JNV / Wiz by Fae but that's... I don't know how much we can trust those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 Spoiler here is your quokka tbh I don't really want to seek JNV but like who else should I even hit? is there anybody more suspicious left? Archer isn't on the menu lol and the numbers the sacred numbers still think JNV should be sacrificed i have the sneaking suspicion this is just a re-enactment of the last cycle of the Jedi game PoE tends to lead to JNV and then JNV is just sorta chill about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: i have the sneaking suspicion this is just a re-enactment of the last cycle of the Jedi game Spoiler 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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