Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, Straw said: PM it to me and I'll use it. Or, if you don't have it done, I'll just put in a placeholder. Done! At least if I die, y’all will get to read something kinda cool. Also kinda sad. 3
theTruthshaper Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) I am completely confused now. I am not removing my vote on Ventyl because otherwise Gears would die who, in my opinion, has less probability than Ventyl of being elim. But I don't feel that Ventyl is elim any longer? Completely confused now. Edited July 6, 2020 by The_Truthwatcher
|TJ| he/him Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ventyl said: I said it was normal for him to be killed Cycle 1, whether through the lynch or through a kill. I meant, Striker said that about you. 1 hour ago, Ventyl said: As it seems like they refuse to believe any situation where I’m not an elim. It's not as if I refuse to believe you're village, Ventyl. There's just overwhelming evidence that you aren't, at least to me. You're just the most logical choice for me, out of everyone remaining. That's it. I have doubted myself several times - like the fact that you asked to be scanned by someone, or the fact that you made this plan to want the elims to attempt a mislynch on you. But still there's a lot more on the elim-side of the balance compared to the village side, and I'm just following it. The above statement you made feels genuine, but then again there's a part of me that feels like you're trying to paint me and Gears in a bad light, because if you flip elim, everyone will believe the opposite of what you told. Guess we'll have to see, huh. I'm sorry if you're being genuine. Mage, I know you retracted your vote on me, but I'll still reply because you put effort and time into your analysis, and it wouldn't be right of me to simply ignore it. 16 hours ago, Magestar said: In TJ's very first post of the game, he responds to El's poke vote on him by saying he shouldn't be lynched because he's been useful to the village in the past when he's been village. Kind of a weird thing to say. I guess it makes sense to defend yourself, but he responded rather thoroughly to what amounted to nothing more than a poke vote. First off, that was not my first post of the game, it was my second. As such, Elbereth's vote on me was not poke, as she explains herself later, she finds voting for already posted promotes discussion. Since her reason for her vote on me was to promote discussion, discuss I did. As to why I said what I said, I've played 3 complete games till now, and I've been killed in two, both for my analysis. That's what I meant by telling I think I was useful to the village. 16 hours ago, Magestar said: He's also swapped around a bit on the Ventyl lynch; at first, he agreed with my position that Ventyl's actions wouldn't make a lot of sense for an Elim: On 7/2/2020 at 4:48 PM, TJ Shade said: I don't feel Ventyl would try the same thing twice if he was an elim. He also would have simply role-claimed in PMs rather just giving it out in-thread that he has a KR role. On 7/2/2020 at 4:48 PM, TJ Shade said: But, I do think Matrim is right to be apprehensive about Ventyl, since Matrim did in fact fall in to role-claim tactic by Ventyl in the previous LG. If you fall for a particular kind of trick, it's only natural to be cautious the next time you feel something similar is happening. For these reasons, I would not like to lynch either Ventyl or Matrim in D1. Now, obviously, he's changed positions. The first post you quote was based off Ventyl's first post (or one of the first). Obviously, once he started behaving suspiciously, I started to slowly change my opinion on him. 16 hours ago, Magestar said: This was interesting to me. This almost looks like an attempt at distancing with Striker. I said D1 that TJ's reasoning for being suspicious of Striker didn't make a lot of sense to me; asking an easy question and having Striker answer it would be a super easy to do some distancing and make both of them look better to the village, IMO. It wasn't an easy question though? I caught a very suspicious question of his and even stated that the question was elim-y, and brought it all your attention. Everyone just brushed it off, and you even called me paranoid, so I dropped it thinking it was just me. 16 hours ago, Magestar said: I'm also realizing that the thought process people are applying to Ventyl - that they let Striker get lynched to protect an Elim KR - could be applied to TJ as well, who's basically confirmed as a KR with his vote shenanigans. Striker voted for me, man. If he wanted to save me, he could have voted for Ventyl. Striker could have joined me in lynching Ventyl, and I could have disappeared one vote off me and another off him to pull off a Ventyl lynch. Striker voted for me (how many times am I supposed to say this? ). 16 hours ago, Magestar said: I think there's reasonable evidence for my suspicion of him. I believe you are somehow unable to be objective in your approach, Mage. You have an idea of my alignment in your head, and you find posts of mine that fit and suit your agenda, meanwhile ignoring all the other posts which may signal the opposite. You're also heavily limiting your focus to one player, thereby narrowing your suspect pool a lot. Edited July 6, 2020 by TJ Shade
Gears Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 If I die, inspect those who have voted for me. Those who have kept themselves out of the Ventyl debate should also be placed under observation, as they have been avoiding the backlash. People who've voted without reasoning or seem to be repeating others' reasoning verbatim. If Ventyl flips village, inspect those who've followed the crowd, who haven't thrown their lot in with the elim!Ventyl hypothesis, and etc. If both of us are village, I don't know who would be elim.
Magestar he/him Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 Dang TJ. That's rather a lot to respond to, with not a lot of time left in the day. I'll respond to it in the night cycle. I'm about to get off of work so I should have plenty of time.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 Gears (5): Araris Valerian, Ashbringer, Frozen Mint, Matrim's Dice, Ventyl Ventyl (6): Gears, Orlok Tsubodai, The_Truthwatcher, TJ Shade, Magestar, Devotary Matrim's Dice (2): Elbereth, The Young Pyromancer I'm feeling more confident that Ventyl is a villager than at the start of the cycle, but I'm still going to vote there. I don't really like this, but we'll at least get something.
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, TJ Shade said: I believe you are somehow unable to be objective in your approach, Mage. You have an idea of my alignment in your head, and you find posts of mine that fit and suit your agenda, meanwhile ignoring all the other posts which may signal the opposite. You're also heavily limiting your focus to one player, thereby narrowing your suspect pool a lot. Are you not doing the same thing with me TJ?
|TJ| he/him Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Magestar said: Dang TJ. That's rather a lot to respond to, with not a lot of time left in the day. I'll respond to it in the night cycle. I'm about to get off of work so I should have plenty of time. Yeah, no worries. Respond in your own time. There's barely any time left anyway. 3 minutes ago, Ventyl said: Are you not doing the same thing with me TJ? I have other suspects I mentioned in the last night cycle. Would have lynched Eternum or Ashbringer this cycle, but they did not come up at all. Edited July 6, 2020 by TJ Shade Edited a double post onto this one.
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: Gears (5): Araris Valerian, Ashbringer, Frozen Mint, Matrim's Dice, Ventyl Ventyl (6): Gears, Orlok Tsubodai, The_Truthwatcher, TJ Shade, Magestar, Devotary Matrim's Dice (2): Elbereth, The Young Pyromancer I'm feeling more confident that Ventyl is a villager than at the start of the cycle, but I'm still going to vote there. I don't really like this, but we'll at least get something. Why would you vote on my if you think I’m village? When I flip village, this will look very bad for you.
Straw he/him Posted July 6, 2020 Author Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) [Death RP by Ventyl, go upvote them!] Brightlady Valas Etteax, Radiant of the Edgedancers, was being followed. She didn’t know by who, but she knew it was happening. She only had a little Stormlight on her person, hopefully it’d be enough to get away. “Valas, would you like me to look for our pursuer?” Lyndel asked, crawling in his vine form. His crystals and vines disappearing and reappearing as he moved alongside Valas. “No, I want you close in case I need you,” Valas responded looking around for any sign of the one following her. She prayed to the Almighty that the one in pursuit wasn’t a Skybreaker. Those men had no regard for the common citizen, they didn’t care about the circumstances, only the law. If it was a Skybreaker, she was dead anyway. “If it comes down to it, we won’t be able to get away with just Abrasion. I know you won’t like it, but there’ll be confrontation. As she neared the edge of a chasm she debated using up a little Stormlight to get across. Breaking her thoughts, Lyndel shouted, “Valas! I see them!” She immediately took in Stormlight and made herself Slick, just like Lift had taught all of the new Edgedancers that had come, except she didn’t need to take in Stormlight. Valas ran like she was on skates, as she got closer to the chasm she prepared to use Progression. When she arrived she used it to make a nearby vine Grow and cover the length of the chasm. She moved across it. When she reached the other plateau, she summoned Lyndel as the small rapier that she’d become accustomed too and begin summoning her Plate. As she turned to look across the chasm from where she came, Valas felt a spike of pain through her chest. The last thing she heard was Lyndels cries. The poor Spren, after all these years. They’d survived countless battles, healing the other Radiants, only to die on a simple mission to escort a group of refugees. Who knew there would be Diagrammist here? ————— Brightlord Lafay Etteax, he chided to himself, that’s your title. He moved across the plains. He used his Surges to shape the land beneath him, to an onlooker it would look like he was surfing on the stone. Which he guessed he was. He looked to his left and noticed that Ola was in the shape of the ship she’d used to work on in the Cognitive Realm, of course a lot smaller than it was in person. She two was riding his wave of stone. As he neared the place where he was supposed to pick up the group of refugees and carry them back in groups. He noticed something odd on the edge of a chasm. He decided to check it out. The closer he got he realized what the odd thing was. It was his wife. She had fallen back away from the chasm, her eyes burned out. “No, no, no,” Lafay cried, rushing to the corpse of Valas, “This can’t be happening!” But it was, and Lafay had been too late to do anything. He didn’t know how long he sat there, cradling the body of his wife. His beautiful wife, who’d been too good for this storming planet. She’d been the reason he’d gotten involved in the war, instead of just leaving Ola to die. When the sun started to rise, he used a little bit of Stormlight to dig a grave into the plateau. He’d come back one day and hopefully give her a real Scadrian burial. But for now, this was the best he could do, he wasn’t a Elsecaller or Lightweaver who could turn her body into the golden statue she deserved. He was just a Willshaper. After he finished, he made his way towards the Horneater peaks. He would return to Scadrial. Ventyl has died! He was a Refugee Edgedancer. Vote Count: Ventyl (6): Devotary of Spontaneity, Gears, Magestar, Orlok Tsubodai, The_Truthwatcher, TJ Shade Gears (4): Araris Valerian, Ashbringer, Frozen Mint, Matrim's Dice, Ventyl Matrim's Dice (2): Elbereth, The Young Pyromancer GM Notes: -The night will end on July 7th, at 1:00 PM EST. -Don't forget to get your actions in! -PMs are closed! -As some of you might have noticed, Fifth has not been active. He has apparently not even seen his GM PM, and given that we are quite a bit into the game, I will be looking for a pinch hitter. While there aren't pinch hitters for normal inactives, it's a bit different when someone doesn't show up at all. I'll let you know if I find a replacement. Player List: Spoiler @A Joe in the Bush @Araris Valerian @Ashbringer @Devotary of Spontaneity @Elbereth @Eternum @Fifth Scholar @Frozen Mint @Gears @Illwei @Kynedath @Lahilt @Lord_Silberfarben @Magestar @Matrim's Dice @Orlok Tsubodai Sart Refugee StrikerEZ Diagramist @The Young Pyromancer @The_Truthwatcher @TJ Shade Ventyl Refugee Edgedancer @xinoehp512 @Zillah Edited July 6, 2020 by Straw 5
|TJ| he/him Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 I can't quite trust myself right now, since most of my analysis hinged on Ventyl being elim. I was wrong, and I'll gladly follow someone else's train of thought that I find acceptable come D3 (if I'm alive).
Gears Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 It appears that a vote has disappeared from me. I did not engage in vote manipulation, so would anyone like to fess up to the deed? An analysis of the people who voted on Ventyl: Devotary: Stated that they were reading Ventyl as more village. [Investigate] Gears: Thought Ventyl was suspicious and self-preservation. If you wish, you may investigate me. Magestar: Of the lynch targets [Gears and Ventyl], thought the arguments against Ventyl were the best. Orlok: Gave up on analysing and had a gut village read on TJ The_Truthwatcher: Striker consistently defended Ventyl TJ: Ventyl acting too naïve, previous opinion still stands. Conclusion: Devotary's vote was strange, investigate. You can investigate me. The others don't appear to be suspicious except for Orlok, as giving up on analysis is a good way to vote on someone without incriminating yourself as much.
|TJ| he/him Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Gears said: I did not engage in vote manipulation, so would anyone like to fess up to the deed? It's no use. Either an elim did it to frame you, or you're an elim with protection from fellow elim, or it was a fellow village Radiant who believed in your innocence, in which case they should NOT fess up.
theTruthshaper Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) Storm it Ventyl, that was depressing. Why the vote manipulation? Ventyl was already being lynched, this probably means that somebody was afraid of vote manipulation. Adhesion or Tension was used. Edit: Or somebody is framing Gears? Edited July 6, 2020 by The_Truthwatcher
Mat he/him Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 What did I tell ya. Sigh. I hope there are other village protection roles. If there are I ask them to use it on me tonight, because as one if the only known surgebinders I’m a likely NK target. Im most suspicious of Elbereth now. Ventyl convinced me to slightly lay off Gears, but I’d still be willing to lynch them next cycle.
|TJ| he/him Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: What did I tell ya. Sigh. I hope there are other village protection roles. If there are I ask them to use it on me tonight, because as one if the only known surgebinders I’m a likely NK target. Im most suspicious of Elbereth now. Ventyl convinced me to slightly lay off Gears, but I’d still be willing to lynch them next cycle. Let's confuse the elims. It's absolutely shameless for me to ask for protection, since I played a major part in the death of one with protection, but I have to. Protect me, or protect Mat, or do not protect anyone at all. It's your wish. There. Doubt sown.
Mat he/him Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, TJ Shade said: Let's confuse the elims. It's absolutely shameless for me to ask for protection, since I played a major part in the death of one with protection, but I have to. Protect me, or protect Mat, or do not protect anyone at all. It's your wish. There. Doubt sown. Yes, yes, good. And definitely don't tell the thread As some of you might have noticed, Fifth has not been active. He has apparently not even seen his GM PM, and given that we are quite a bit into the game, I will be looking for a pinch hitter. While there aren't pinch hitters for normal inactives, it's a bit different when someone doesn't show up at all. I'll let you know if I find a replacement. What about Xino? I think he's been entirely inactive as well. Edited July 6, 2020 by Matrim's Dice
The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 Or Protect me, as the elims might kill me in order to make it look like El is an elim if they're innocent. What's with the suspicion on gears? Striker's vote on them makes it seem like they're village. Also, what did ventyl say that makes you think Gears is innocent @Matrim's Dice?
Straw he/him Posted July 6, 2020 Author Posted July 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: What about Xino? I think he's been entirely inactive as well. Xino showed up once:
Mat he/him Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 Just now, The Young Pyromancer said: Or Protect me, as the elims might kill me in order to make it look like El is an elim if they're innocent. What's with the suspicion on gears? Striker's vote on them makes it seem like they're village. Also, what did ventyl say that makes you think Gears is innocent @Matrim's Dice? Hmmm. Not necessarily a fan of that one. I thought their tone was super weird and they were tunneling on someone I basically knew was village for little reason that I saw. Ventyl said that he doubted TJ and Gears were evil because they were tunneling so hard on him that it would be pretty incriminating once he flipped village. This could be a plot by Gears to get us to think they’re village but I dunno, for now El is my biggest suspect.
Ashbringer he/him Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 So if Lafay is alive at this point... Faleast has done some wacky worldhopping across time. Huh. Well, Devotary, I don’t like it when people decide the lynch at the last minute, for obvious reasons. But assuming that the vote manip was an Elim (Windrunner?), then I think that Devotary is leaning more Village due to the redundance of Elim!Devotary voting and the vote manip. Plus the Elims wasted a vote manip. Other than that, I don’t know what to do with Gears. I think that vote manip is more likely a frame (perhaps with Elim!Devotary?).
theTruthshaper Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 Just now, The Young Pyromancer said: Also, what did ventyl say that makes you think Gears is innocent @Matrim's Dice? Spoiler 2 hours ago, Ventyl said: I said it was normal for him to be killed Cycle 1, whether through the lynch or through a kill. ——————————————————————————————————————————————————- Anyways, with the amount of things y’all posted while I was asleep, I’m starting to think I am an elim! Also someone asked me to confirm that I squired Mat, well I did. I have a felling that there will be a lot of vote manipulation involved this lynch to break the tie and get me killed, and as far as I know there is no way to combat it, so even if Gears had another vote on me, I’m going to die this turn. When I flip village, which I will, don’t lynch Gears. Also don’t lynch TJ. Why you ask? Well, I don’t think any elim would put themselves willing into a situation like this. With the amount they’ve been tunneling on me, I don’t think they are an elim. Considering I think this would be their first game as one, I’’m sure the other elims would be giving tips. So I don’t think they’d let them tunnel this much, because it puts so much suspicion on you when the person you tunneled flips village. I give the same reasoning for TJ, they’ve also tunneled on me quite a bit. As it seems like they refuse to believe any situation where I’m not an elim. I could easily be wrong though, this could be an elaborate plan to convince that they’re village, because would any elim team let their teammates do this (This is also one of the things I’m using to defend myself). I could totally see Gears doing it, they seem like they’ll be one of the best SE players out there. Hopefully my compliments will make Gears less likely to kill me. @Straw I’m going to write my own death scene, so if I get lynched, please use it. This is the post. Spoilered for length.
Mat he/him Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 The vote manip could’ve come from a villager convinced of Gears’ innocence.
theTruthshaper Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Ashbringer said: So if Lafay is alive at this point... Faleast has done some wacky worldhopping across time. Huh. Well, Devotary, I don’t like it when people decide the lynch at the last minute, for obvious reasons. But assuming that the vote manip was an Elim (Windrunner?), then I think that Devotary is leaning more Village due to the redundance of Elim!Devotary voting and the vote manip. Plus the Elims wasted a vote manip. Other than that, I don’t know what to do with Gears. I think that vote manip is more likely a frame (perhaps with Elim!Devotary?). Just now, Matrim's Dice said: The vote manip could’ve come from a villager convinced of Gears’ innocence. But it was not needed. @Straw can you rescind an action once you take it? Or does an action become final immediately?
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