Amanuensis he/him Posted February 22 Author Posted February 22 (edited) LG110, Day 2-A: Bound for Woodfall Day 2-A will end on Monday, February 23rd @ 10:00 PM EST. Ap the Apprentice The building across the street came down in two stages — a crack like a held breath breaking, and then the low continuous thunder of everything following gravity's instruction at once. The shop windows shook. A fox mask fell from its nail and landed face-up on the floor, smiling at the ceiling. "No." The Happy Mask Salesman put his hand briefly on Squircle's arm and straightened. "There isn't time. And it won't come off." He said it the way he said most things — with the particular patience of someone who had already considered and discarded the argument on the other side. Then he looked at his granddaughter. She was already shaking her head. Her not-quite-hands were making the shape of refusal, of insistence, of every variation on I am not leaving that she could produce without words. Her new eyes were very large and very bright and he knew what was in them as well as he'd ever known anything. He smiled. It was the slow smile, the one that had more years in it than he usually showed. He crossed the room and knelt in front of her and held her not-quite-face in both his hands, the way he had when she was small and frightened and the masks on the walls were too many and too strange. "Listen," he said. "I am old. I am tired in ways that a good night's sleep has stopped fixing. And if the Dreamers wanted me dead—" he glanced at the four men still on the floor "—they had their chances." His thumbs moved along the edge of the Deku mask, gently, acknowledging it without dwelling on it. "They want something from me. That means I have time that you do not have." His hands dropped to her shoulders. "So you are going to go. And I am going to be here when you get back. That is not a hope. That is a decision." Outside, a Clock Ward's whistle cut through the dark, followed by a voice bellowing the same word over and over: South. South. South Ward. "There is a woman," he said, and his voice dropped into the register he used for important things, the one she'd learned to hear underneath all the other registers. "Professor Kashika. Daughter of Professor Shikashi, who ran the Astral Observatory before the years caught up with him. Last I heard, she was somewhere in Woodfall — near the Deku settlement, if she's still following her father's work." He looked up at Squircle briefly, making sure the name landed for him too, then back to her. "I don't know what's coming. I don't know yet how bad it is. But I know that before the Dreamers arrived tonight, someone else had already been here." His voice stayed steady. "Someone I never heard. Never saw. And when I woke up, Majora's Mask was gone." The floor creaked somewhere below them. The passage. "Kashika will have answers I don't. And if you need help reaching her — or after—" He squeezed her shoulders once. "The Bomber's Secret Society of Justice has people in every region of Termina. Woodfall, Snowhead, the Great Bay, and Ikana Canyon. They've been driven underground here but they are not gone. Kashika has connections to them. She can open doors." His eyes moved between the two of them. "I don't know what you'll find. I don't know what I'm sending you into. But I know that standing still is the one thing that will certainly help no one." He stood. He reached up and straightened her cap — then stopped, his hand finding only the smooth round head of a Deku scrub, and laughed once, softly, to himself. "She'll know how to help you with that too," he said. From below, footsteps. More than before. Getting closer with the unhurried certainty of people who do not think they will be stopped. "Go," he said. Not the warm version, the one that sent her to Carnivals. The other one. The one that meant it. He turned toward the passage door. Squircle's hand closed around her arm and she went because her grandfather had said to, because he was already walking away from her and toward the sound of the footsteps and because the part of her that wanted to stay was the same part that knew, with a cold and absolute clarity, that he was right. She went through the shop door and the bell above it laughed and she did not look back. Behind her, she heard the Happy Mask Salesman's voice drift up from the passage, unhurried and clear: "Good evening, gentlemen. Shall we try this again?" The South Gate was ahead. The moon was enormous. The road toward Woodfall was open. Together, the deku girl and the haggard stranger ran. Commander Vicsen The sun came up the way it always did, indifferent to what it was illuminating. Vicsen stood at the edge of the Woodfall road and watched it happen — the sky going from black to the particular bruised grey that preceded color, the outlines of trees and people and the ruined skyline of Clock Town sharpening one degree at a time — and tried to make the numbers work. He had been trying for the last hour. They did not work. There was no version of the accounting in which they worked. He turned away from the sunrise and looked at his city instead. Four of the Clock Tower's five spires still stood. The fifth was gone at the base, sheared off cleanly enough that it must have come down fast, all at once, before anyone below had time to understand what was happening. The West Ward was smoke. The smoke was not the grey of dying fires but the darker color of things still burning, slow and committed. He could not see the Mayor's Manor from here. He had not been able to raise anyone stationed there on any signal. The Wards who had been assigned to defend the Manor had not come out of the gates with the others. They had not come out at all. "Commander." Danna was behind him. She had not slept. None of them had. She was holding a count — a rough one, tallied on the back of her field notes — and her face said everything her voice wasn't. "Tell me," he said. "Confirmed evacuees through South Gate: four thousand, roughly. I say roughly because we stopped counting around the third hour and started moving." She paused. "The North Ward — we don't have numbers. A lot of people who lived in the North Ward didn't—" She stopped. Finished differently. "We don't have numbers." "We'll get them later." He took the field notes. He looked at the count without seeing it. "Escort squads." "Rennik's got twenty civilians heading for Romani Ranch. He left an hour ago." She hesitated. "He took the ones who couldn't walk fast. Families. He said he'd come back." Vicsen nodded. Rennik had seven years on the rest of them and a sister who farmed the south road. He would know what the Ranch could hold. He looked out over the scattered mass of people on the Woodfall road — hundreds of them, sitting or standing or moving with the stunned slowness of those who had been moving all night and could not yet stop. Deku Scrubs had come out of the swamp at some point in the small hours, drawn by the noise or the smoke or some instinct that Vicsen didn't pretend to understand, and had begun moving through the crowd with food and water and the particular grave hospitality of a people long familiar with disaster arriving at their doorstep. He watched a Scrub child offer a piece of flatbread to an elderly Gerudo woman who took it with both hands. Neither of them spoke. He looked up. The moon had been at the edge of his awareness all night — he had trained himself, over the hours, to keep it in his peripheral vision the way he kept the Clock Tower in his peripheral vision, a fixed reference point for orientation. What it was telling him now was the same thing it had been telling him for the last two hours, and the message was not improving. It was closer. Not falling the way a stone falls, not fast, not yet — but measurably, undeniably closer than it had been at midnight, and its expression had finished whatever transition it had been in the middle of when the night began. It was not serene anymore. It was not curious. He did not have a word for what it was. He had a feeling for it, the feeling that lives at the back of the neck when something is watching you and does not have good intentions, and he had been carrying that feeling for four hours. He turned to Danna. "The Woodfall escort needs to leave within the hour," he said. "Capable adults in the outside positions, vulnerable civilians in the center. Anyone who looks like they can hold something other than a child's hand, put them on the perimeter." He scanned the crowd again, the same way he'd scanned the plaza — looking for the ones who were frightened and functional, who were waiting for someone to tell them where to stand. He found several. He found one in particular: a small figure near the road's edge, Deku-shaped and too still to be sleeping, sitting with her knees drawn up and her face turned toward the ruined skyline with an expression that needed no translation. Beside her, a road-worn young man in scratched leather who was watching the crowd with the careful eyes of someone who had been useful recently and was ready to be useful again. He filed them both. "I'll want people I can trust with that escort," he continued. "People who know how to move a group and keep their heads. I'll speak to them before we send them off." He looked back at the city. "After I've done something else." Danna followed his gaze. "The Manor," she said. "The Manor." He clipped his whistle back onto his belt. "Almira, Kael, and Forth. My best three, and they know it, so they'll come without being asked." He paused. "If I'm not back by the time the escort is ready to move—" "You'll be back," Danna said, with the firmness of someone who needs the thing they're saying to be true. He looked at her. "If I'm not back," he said, evenly, "you send the escort without me. You keep them moving. You find Commander Ishala at Woodfall if she's still stationed there and you tell her everything." He held her eyes until she nodded, properly this time, without the firmness. "Good." He turned back toward the road. The Deku girl had moved — she was standing now, looking in his direction, and there was something in the posture of her that was familiar in a way he couldn't immediately locate. Something of someone who had heard someone else be told what to do and had started doing it in their head before anyone asked them. He would talk to her before he left. He would talk to all of them, the ones with that quality, the ones who were frightened and still watching. There was an escort that needed leading and a road that needed walking and a settlement at the end of it that needed warning. He did not know what was happening under the Clock Tower. He did not know who wore the wrong mask in the sky last night or where they had gone or whether they were done. He did not know what was happening in the Mayor's Manor or why his Wards had not come out. He had, in short, a very great number of things he did not know, which was not a feeling he was accustomed to managing well. What he knew was four thousand people had made it through the South Gate. What he knew was the Woodfall road was open. What he knew was the sun had come up, as suns do, and the day was here whether anyone was ready for it or not. He had run the scenario four hundred and twelve times. He had not run this one. But the principle underneath it was always the same, and he carried it the way he carried everything useful: close, and without ceremony. Move the people. Keep them moving. Keep them safe. Vicsen walked back into the smoking ruins of his home. RP Quest: Accompany the refugee escort to Woodfall. Lots of people died. Just not any of you. Players can now vote to remove one of their own from the Loop. The Postman's Hat has been donned and PMs can now be sent via your GM PM. Note: Y'all can RP your votes and such if you want. I would probably recommend beginning with an in-character discussion of last night's events. It's clear that, in order for so many explosives to go off around the city, the perpetrators would need to be many, rather than just a single new Skull Kid. Who really knows who exactly is involved. Ap cannot communicate with non-Dekus, but I could see Squircle bringing up the Dreamers to others, inquiring if anyone knows about them and suggesting they could be responsible. The exact threat of MoM's will become increasingly more apparent as this Loop progresses, but for now, y'all just suspect there are baddies afoot, and that's where the paranoia begins setting in. Feel free to interact with random NPC Clock Wards and refugees, if you wish. I am likely to do more mid-turn RP prompts as we make our way into Woodfall. Player List 0 Amanuensis Ap the Apprentice 1 @The Unknown Order Heroshi 2 @Araris Valerian Arenta 3 @Wahrheitswächter Wahi 4 @Ashbringer Coliver 5 @coco.pudding Amora 6 @|TJ| Cosmetica 7 @Honors Ghost meeee 8 @Haelbarde Link the Goron 9 @Wonko the Sane Zymni 10 @Doc12 Thistle 11 @Burnt Spaghetti Cindra 12 @CoderDrag0n8 Squircle 13 @Mistfallen Soldier Kieran 14 @Divergent Gor Elam the Goron 15 @Archer Ouae the Zora 16 @Hoid Slayer Avery Edited February 22 by Amanuensis 5
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted February 22 Posted February 22 Interesting. A skipped kill. Assuming I'm right about motivations, that means that the Elims are currently going for the win on L1. Also, sorry for my absence last Night. It was a bit of a crazy day for me IRL. I'm currently reading up on what was discussed, and I'm only about a third of the way through. I'll give my thoughts when I catch up (which may not be before I need to get to sleep tonight, but I'll try and get on as soon as I can in the morning) I will say that I protest the claim that my analysis was more helpful for the Elims than the Village. At worst, I alerted the Elims to a possible mistake they could have fallen into, and thus prevented said mistake. I agree that I'm probably a decent suspect right now, simply for the fact that I was so heavily active and involved last cycle. But I'm honestly baffled by how much the meta of SE seems to have shifted while I was away, with Villagers now seeming to fear communication. Yes, there are times where Village secrecy can help catch out an Elim in a mistake or a lie, but broadly speaking, public information favors the Village. This is just a fact of Mafia: the elims start with the information advantage, and the core goal of the Village is to reduce that information gap. I will stand on this: Publicized information almost unilaterally benefits the Village more than the Elims. The only major exception is information about core village vulnerabilities that the Elims start off lacking, like who holds power roles. Anyway, Doc, I'm also sorry about leaving you in the lurch, RP-wise. I haven't gotten to your posts in my catchup yet, but I assume you struggled with my absence. Sorry! 1
Myst He/Him Posted February 22 Posted February 22 4 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said: Interesting. A skipped kill. Assuming I'm right about motivations, that means that the Elims are currently going for the win on L1. True, which means we have to put a lot of effort into solving. If we get an Elim, they just narrowed down the suspects Also Wonko I believe my reasons have been pretty clear.
Araris Valerian he/him Posted February 22 Posted February 22 6 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said: I will say that I protest the claim that my analysis was more helpful for the Elims than the Village. Not sure if you're referring to me, but this was not my point against you. I'm bothered by the lack of direction behind your posts, not by them helping the elims. It's fair to say that most elim teams can come up with strategies on their own, and pointing things out in the thread is rarely a detriment. But we need to go beyond just pointing them out, or it's mostly just fluff that anyone could have said. Wonko. 7 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said: But I'm honestly baffled by how much the meta of SE seems to have shifted while I was away, with Villagers now seeming to fear communication. This is a weird take, because from my perspective the community is more pro-info sharing than it was ~5 years ago. I think fewer players/shorter games lends itself in that direction, since the elims have less time to take advantage of open info.
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted February 22 Posted February 22 4 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: Not sure if you're referring to me, but this was not my point against you. I'm bothered by the lack of direction behind your posts, not by them helping the elims. It's fair to say that most elim teams can come up with strategies on their own, and pointing things out in the thread is rarely a detriment. But we need to go beyond just pointing them out, or it's mostly just fluff that anyone could have said. Wonko. This is a weird take, because from my perspective the community is more pro-info sharing than it was ~5 years ago. I think fewer players/shorter games lends itself in that direction, since the elims have less time to take advantage of open info. Nah, It was about Divergent saying this: Quote It could be just a villager who was excited to share information since he had experience with a game with similar mechanics, and didn't realize that he was giving information that would be more helpful to the elims. Your point is totally valid. I got kind of caught up in explaining the gamestate as I saw it and didn't really take the time to propose actionable ideas. Mostly I was busy bemoaning that my clever idea of skipping every exe this Loop wasn't allowed in the rules. Anyway, with the elims apparently trying to win the cycle, I agree with Mistfallen Soldier that we want to exe one of them, if possible. So I'll throw my hat in the ring on Archer, whose request to be exed still reads a little worryingly to me. And in particular, the decision to skip the NK feels like a pivot to me that was motivated by the D1A discussion. I can imagine Archer, after that conversation, deciding to go for broke and try for the win, since the Village was already aware of the dynamics at play and they couldn't skate by as easily as they might have. And if Archer IS a Villager, he's the Villager I most want in the dead doc right now anyway, so it still works out.
Archer he/him Posted February 22 Posted February 22 1 minute ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: I believe my reasons have been pretty clear. I genuinely thought you were trying to deflect the NK elsewhere with those reads. Carry on. ************ "That was a lot of explosions, more than a single Skull Kid could have orchestrated," said Ouae, compliantly. "They had the fire of my famous Pepper Steak. The meat is cooked in crushed peppers to accents its natural taste." Nearby, a displaced townsperson sobbed next to the ruins of their home. She stared absent mindedly at it. "When I said I missed smokehouses, I meant ones for making meats, not whatever this is. I am not having a good time, I demand to speak to the Mayor!" 1
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 22 Author Posted February 22 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said: Avery snored again. He did that a lot. In the exploded city, or? Edited February 22 by Amanuensis 1
CoderDrag0n8 He/They Posted February 22 Posted February 22 No NK! Wild. Bonkers, even. Lots of anti-Wonko sentiment, interesting, interesting. Wont shoot a vote yet, I feel like there wasn't much purpose at all with D1-A. Suprisingly, everyone dodged Aman's RP prompt. 12 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: LG110, Day 2-A: Bound for Woodfall Day 2-A will end on Monday, February 23rd @ 10:00 PM EST. Ap the Apprentice The building across the street came down in two stages — a crack like a held breath breaking, and then the low continuous thunder of everything following gravity's instruction at once. The shop windows shook. A fox mask fell from its nail and landed face-up on the floor, smiling at the ceiling. "No." The Happy Mask Salesman put his hand briefly on Squircle's arm and straightened. "There isn't time. And it won't come off." He said it the way he said most things — with the particular patience of someone who had already considered and discarded the argument on the other side. Then he looked at his granddaughter. She was already shaking her head. Her not-quite-hands were making the shape of refusal, of insistence, of every variation on I am not leaving that she could produce without words. Her new eyes were very large and very bright and he knew what was in them as well as he'd ever known anything. He smiled. It was the slow smile, the one that had more years in it than he usually showed. He crossed the room and knelt in front of her and held her not-quite-face in both his hands, the way he had when she was small and frightened and the masks on the walls were too many and too strange. "Listen," he said. "I am old. I am tired in ways that a good night's sleep has stopped fixing. And if the Dreamers wanted me dead—" he glanced at the four men still on the floor "—they had their chances." His thumbs moved along the edge of the Deku mask, gently, acknowledging it without dwelling on it. "They want something from me. That means I have time that you do not have." His hands dropped to her shoulders. "So you are going to go. And I am going to be here when you get back. That is not a hope. That is a decision." Outside, a Clock Ward's whistle cut through the dark, followed by a voice bellowing the same word over and over: South. South. South Ward. "There is a woman," he said, and his voice dropped into the register he used for important things, the one she'd learned to hear underneath all the other registers. "Professor Kashika. Daughter of Professor Shikashi, who ran the Astral Observatory before the years caught up with him. Last I heard, she was somewhere in Woodfall — near the Deku settlement, if she's still following her father's work." He looked up at Squircle briefly, making sure the name landed for him too, then back to her. "I don't know what's coming. I don't know yet how bad it is. But I know that before the Dreamers arrived tonight, someone else had already been here." His voice stayed steady. "Someone I never heard. Never saw. And when I woke up, Majora's Mask was gone." The floor creaked somewhere below them. The passage. "Kashika will have answers I don't. And if you need help reaching her — or after—" He squeezed her shoulders once. "The Bomber's Secret Society of Justice has people in every region of Termina. Woodfall, Snowhead, the Great Bay, and Ikana Canyon. They've been driven underground here but they are not gone. Kashika has connections to them. She can open doors." His eyes moved between the two of them. "I don't know what you'll find. I don't know what I'm sending you into. But I know that standing still is the one thing that will certainly help no one." He stood. He reached up and straightened her cap — then stopped, his hand finding only the smooth round head of a Deku scrub, and laughed once, softly, to himself. "She'll know how to help you with that too," he said. From below, footsteps. More than before. Getting closer with the unhurried certainty of people who do not think they will be stopped. "Go," he said. Not the warm version, the one that sent her to Carnivals. The other one. The one that meant it. He turned toward the passage door. Squircle's hand closed around her arm and she went because her grandfather had said to, because he was already walking away from her and toward the sound of the footsteps and because the part of her that wanted to stay was the same part that knew, with a cold and absolute clarity, that he was right. She went through the shop door and the bell above it laughed and she did not look back. Behind her, she heard the Happy Mask Salesman's voice drift up from the passage, unhurried and clear: "Good evening, gentlemen. Shall we try this again?" The South Gate was ahead. The moon was enormous. The road toward Woodfall was open. Together, the deku girl and the haggard stranger ran. Commander Vicsen The sun came up the way it always did, indifferent to what it was illuminating. Vicsen stood at the edge of the Woodfall road and watched it happen — the sky going from black to the particular bruised grey that preceded color, the outlines of trees and people and the ruined skyline of Clock Town sharpening one degree at a time — and tried to make the numbers work. He had been trying for the last hour. They did not work. There was no version of the accounting in which they worked. He turned away from the sunrise and looked at his city instead. Four of the Clock Tower's five spires still stood. The fifth was gone at the base, sheared off cleanly enough that it must have come down fast, all at once, before anyone below had time to understand what was happening. The West Ward was smoke. The smoke was not the grey of dying fires but the darker color of things still burning, slow and committed. He could not see the Mayor's Manor from here. He had not been able to raise anyone stationed there on any signal. The Wards who had been assigned to defend the Manor had not come out of the gates with the others. They had not come out at all. "Commander." Danna was behind him. She had not slept. None of them had. She was holding a count — a rough one, tallied on the back of her field notes — and her face said everything her voice wasn't. "Tell me," he said. "Confirmed evacuees through South Gate: four thousand, roughly. I say roughly because we stopped counting around the third hour and started moving." She paused. "The North Ward — we don't have numbers. A lot of people who lived in the North Ward didn't—" She stopped. Finished differently. "We don't have numbers." "We'll get them later." He took the field notes. He looked at the count without seeing it. "Escort squads." "Rennik's got twenty civilians heading for Romani Ranch. He left an hour ago." She hesitated. "He took the ones who couldn't walk fast. Families. He said he'd come back." Vicsen nodded. Rennik had seven years on the rest of them and a sister who farmed the south road. He would know what the Ranch could hold. He looked out over the scattered mass of people on the Woodfall road — hundreds of them, sitting or standing or moving with the stunned slowness of those who had been moving all night and could not yet stop. Deku Scrubs had come out of the swamp at some point in the small hours, drawn by the noise or the smoke or some instinct that Vicsen didn't pretend to understand, and had begun moving through the crowd with food and water and the particular grave hospitality of a people long familiar with disaster arriving at their doorstep. He watched a Scrub child offer a piece of flatbread to an elderly Gerudo woman who took it with both hands. Neither of them spoke. He looked up. The moon had been at the edge of his awareness all night — he had trained himself, over the hours, to keep it in his peripheral vision the way he kept the Clock Tower in his peripheral vision, a fixed reference point for orientation. What it was telling him now was the same thing it had been telling him for the last two hours, and the message was not improving. It was closer. Not falling the way a stone falls, not fast, not yet — but measurably, undeniably closer than it had been at midnight, and its expression had finished whatever transition it had been in the middle of when the night began. It was not serene anymore. It was not curious. He did not have a word for what it was. He had a feeling for it, the feeling that lives at the back of the neck when something is watching you and does not have good intentions, and he had been carrying that feeling for four hours. He turned to Danna. "The Woodfall escort needs to leave within the hour," he said. "Capable adults in the outside positions, vulnerable civilians in the center. Anyone who looks like they can hold something other than a child's hand, put them on the perimeter." He scanned the crowd again, the same way he'd scanned the plaza — looking for the ones who were frightened and functional, who were waiting for someone to tell them where to stand. He found several. He found one in particular: a small figure near the road's edge, Deku-shaped and too still to be sleeping, sitting with her knees drawn up and her face turned toward the ruined skyline with an expression that needed no translation. Beside her, a road-worn young man in scratched leather who was watching the crowd with the careful eyes of someone who had been useful recently and was ready to be useful again. He filed them both. "I'll want people I can trust with that escort," he continued. "People who know how to move a group and keep their heads. I'll speak to them before we send them off." He looked back at the city. "After I've done something else." Danna followed his gaze. "The Manor," she said. "The Manor." He clipped his whistle back onto his belt. "Almira, Kael, and Forth. My best three, and they know it, so they'll come without being asked." He paused. "If I'm not back by the time the escort is ready to move—" "You'll be back," Danna said, with the firmness of someone who needs the thing they're saying to be true. He looked at her. "If I'm not back," he said, evenly, "you send the escort without me. You keep them moving. You find Commander Ishala at Woodfall if she's still stationed there and you tell her everything." He held her eyes until she nodded, properly this time, without the firmness. "Good." He turned back toward the road. The Deku girl had moved — she was standing now, looking in his direction, and there was something in the posture of her that was familiar in a way he couldn't immediately locate. Something of someone who had heard someone else be told what to do and had started doing it in their head before anyone asked them. He would talk to her before he left. He would talk to all of them, the ones with that quality, the ones who were frightened and still watching. There was an escort that needed leading and a road that needed walking and a settlement at the end of it that needed warning. He did not know what was happening under the Clock Tower. He did not know who wore the wrong mask in the sky last night or where they had gone or whether they were done. He did not know what was happening in the Mayor's Manor or why his Wards had not come out. He had, in short, a very great number of things he did not know, which was not a feeling he was accustomed to managing well. What he knew was four thousand people had made it through the South Gate. What he knew was the Woodfall road was open. What he knew was the sun had come up, as suns do, and the day was here whether anyone was ready for it or not. He had run the scenario four hundred and twelve times. He had not run this one. But the principle underneath it was always the same, and he carried it the way he carried everything useful: close, and without ceremony. Move the people. Keep them moving. Find the next gate. Vicsen walked back into the smoking ruins of his home. RP Quest: Accompany the refugee escort to Woodfall. Lots of people died. Just not any of you. Players can now vote to remove one of their own from the Loop. The Postman's Hat has been donned and PMs can now be sent via your GM PM. Note: Y'all can RP your votes and such if you want. I would probably recommend beginning with an in-character discussion of last night's events. It's clear that, in order for so many explosives to go off around the city, the perpetrators would need to be many, rather than just a single new Skull Kid. Who really knows who exactly is involved. Ap cannot communicate with non-Dekus, but I could see Squircle bringing up the Dreamers to others, inquiring if anyone knows about them and suggesting they could be responsible. The exact threat of MoM's will become increasingly more apparent as this Loop progresses, but for now, y'all just suspect there are baddies afoot, and that's where the paranoia begins setting in. Feel free to interact with random NPC Clock Wards and refugees, if you wish. I am likely to do more mid-turn RP prompts as we make our way towards Woodfall. Player List 0 Amanuensis Happy Mask Apprentice, AKA 'Ap' 1 @The Unknown Order Heroshi 2 @Araris Valerian "Grouchy old guy (or gal)" 3 @Wahrheitswächter Wahi 4 @Ashbringer Coliver 5 @coco.pudding Amora 6 @|TJ| Cosmetica 7 @Honors Ghost meeee 8 @Haelbarde Link the Goron 9 @Wonko the Sane Zymni 10 @Doc12 Thistle 11 @Burnt Spaghetti Cindra 12 @CoderDrag0n8 Squircle 13 @Mistfallen Soldier Kieran 14 @Divergent Gor Elam the Goron 15 @Archer Ouae the Zora 16 @Hoid Slayer Avery (Foreign Cousin of Heroshi) Squircle looked at the rising sun, and then the moon. He asked the strange girl, "Does the moon usually do that? The face thing?" He looked at the girl, and then sighed. "Whatever. The moon is going insane, I found a girl who-" He stopped, looking at her. "Doesn't look human... Whatever. I assume there are more of you somewhere around here. If you find someone who could translate for you, alert me." He sighed, moving through the gate. This was going to be a one-sided conversation. "So, cultists, huh? People who believe the world is a dream? In a dying god? Wild stuff." He looked at her, sighing. He looked around at the others coming through with him. "So... does anyone really know what is happening?" 1
Hoid Slayer He/Him Posted February 22 Posted February 22 5 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: In the exploded city, or? Avery snores where Avery can snore Spoiler Shhh, I haven’t read the writeup yet
coco.pudding she/they Posted February 22 Posted February 22 Okay so I guess the skipped kill means they’re probably trying to win the loop and just keep the number of cleared players down. That’s definitely an interesting choice—and not the one most people seemed to think they’d make yesterday. Wonko, I think the main problem people are having with your posts isn’t that you’re publicizing information in the first place, but with what you’re saying. If you’re not an elim, you’re basically coming up with strategies for them and then putting it in the thread. But I still think it would be a weird choice to be making those posts if you are an elim, so for that reason I’m going to hold back on voting you (at least for now). As for Archer, I am more suspicious of him out those those two, and I agree that it may be more beneficial to have him in the dead doc IF (and that’s a big if) the elims do win and therefore dead players are cleared. But I also think it’s weird that he wanted to be voted out, and I’d like to know more about why before voting him. 18 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said: Avery snored again. He did that a lot. Banger rp right there, I applaud you. ————————————————— Amora looks around at the crowd of people, all of them displaced, most covered in soot, many clutching the few meager possessions they were able to grab on the way out. She searches for those she had saved back in the square and finds that first boy, held in the arms of his parents, and smiles. One good thing, at least. She had done one good thing. ”I’m…not sure,” she says, turning toward Squircle as they ask their question. “I was in the square, there was a person in a strange mask. They said something about dreams? And then the explosions happened. I-I tried to save people but so many didn’t make it. So many gone… Anyway, I heard that commander say something about heading for Woodfall? I don’t know where that is, nearby I guess, but we should probably head there. Find safety, hopefully. Food, shelter, all those sorts of things. Oh, but what if there’s another attack? We’ll be so vulnerable on the road, but there’s no helping it, is there?” She trails off, realizing she might be overwhelming her new companion with her anxious rambling. 1
Araris Valerian he/him Posted February 22 Posted February 22 8 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said: Avery snores where Avery can snore Arenta has a room that is only half-exploded available for rent! Just 5 rupees per night! 2
CoderDrag0n8 He/They Posted February 22 Posted February 22 8 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: Okay so I guess the skipped kill means they’re probably trying to win the loop and just keep the number of cleared players down. That’s definitely an interesting choice—and not the one most people seemed to think they’d make yesterday. Wonko, I think the main problem people are having with your posts isn’t that you’re publicizing information in the first place, but with what you’re saying. If you’re not an elim, you’re basically coming up with strategies for them and then putting it in the thread. But I still think it would be a weird choice to be making those posts if you are an elim, so for that reason I’m going to hold back on voting you (at least for now). As for Archer, I am more suspicious of him out those those two, and I agree that it may be more beneficial to have him in the dead doc IF (and that’s a big if) the elims do win and therefore dead players are cleared. But I also think it’s weird that he wanted to be voted out, and I’d like to know more about why before voting him. Banger rp right there, I applaud you. ————————————————— Amora looks around at the crowd of people, all of them displaced, most covered in soot, many clutching the few meager possessions they were able to grab on the way out. She searches for those she had saved back in the square and finds that first boy, held in the arms of his parents, and smiles. One good thing, at least. She had done one good thing. ”I’m…not sure,” she says, turning toward Squircle as they ask their question. “I was in the square, there was a person in a strange mask. They said something about dreams? And then the explosions happened. I-I tried to save people but so many didn’t make it. So many gone… Anyway, I heard that commander say something about heading for Woodfall? I don’t know where that is, nearby I guess, but we should probably head there. Find safety, hopefully. Food, shelter, all those sorts of things. Oh, but what if there’s another attack? We’ll be so vulnerable on the road, but there’s no helping it, is there?” She trails off, realizing she might be overwhelming her new companion with her anxious rambling. I have realized something. @Archer you still back up your claim right? Remember when you, Archer, asked to be exed D2-A? - - - Squircle looked at Amora. That information matched up with what the Great Fairy had told him. He nodded along. “It must have been coordinated. I can only assume there is one of them among us.”
coco.pudding she/they Posted February 22 Posted February 22 “For an attack of that scale? It can’t just be one person, surely. Which means…there must be more. Maybe we could hope some of them died in the explosion? But they’re probably too careful for that, aren’t they. Wait.” She finally registers his second sentence. “Among us? You think they’re here? Pretending to be civilians?” She glances around, at the survivors, many of whom she had interacted with before, some who had become her friends. “You really think someone here could be capable of that? Of doing something so horrible and then just…pretending to be one of us? To care?”
Archer he/him Posted February 22 Posted February 22 8 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said: I have realized something. @Archer you still back up your claim right? Remember when you, Archer, asked to be exed D2-A? You and Mistfallen can have village reads because e!you would know better than to mess with village confirmed!me. The nice thing about the skipped NK is we can actually apply pressure with our votes. If we win the cycle and there's a suspect pool of 2 or 3, that's bad news for them. I agree the NK skip indicates they plan to win the Loop. Probably the best strategy, which I was hoping to dissuade them from by threatening to develop a secret dead doc code etc. My hope was the elims freeze and default to a standard SE type kill and waited until later in the cycle to see if they wanted to NK one of their own. I was going to soft clear whoever was NKed. I’ve been tracking rupee accumulation. Aman changed the rules for C1 to allow excessive posts from one bucket to fill empty slots in the other bucket, so 7 RP + 3 Analysis = 10 rupees, instead of 8. I don’t think anyone knew that until now, so people likely tried to get 5+5. I expect the elims were gunning for maximum rupee acquisition, especially if they planned on skipping NKs. THat allows the elims to hide better, as the top earners aren’t being sniped every night. It’d be weird if the elims allowed a villager to reach a high level of rupees, so we’d suspect them. No NK also limits how many villagers get the 20 rupee starting amount C2 from being dead. While aiming to get rich is NAI, my theorized elim profile is: --Posts well beyond their usual profile. Villagers don’t tend to care as much, so elims are more likely to extend beyond their usual posting profile because the advantage matters more to them. –Posts near the end of N1 to squeeze in some more earnings, rather than accruing more organically. (Doc, Divergent, and Coder can have some mild sus for their end of N1, but I’m not pursuing this too hard.) –More inclined to RP than analyze because it can’t be read into. These numbers are wrong (due to the rule change and me doing it very quickly). The gist is: Mistfallen: A5, 5RP Wahr: A5, 5RP — Elim read. Outside of their output profile. I feel like they’re quieter usually. Coco: A5, 4RP Burnt: A4, 5RP — Elim read. More RP than analysis. Divergent: A5, 4RP Coder: A4, 5RP — Elim read. Coder has called out their intentions 4+ times, which feels excessive. First time felt villagery, now it’s weird to keep saying they’re going for max funds. Doc: A3, 5RP — Elim read. More RP than analysis. Wonko: A5, 2RP Hael: A3, 3RP TUO: A4, 2RP Araris: A4, 2RP — Village read. They clearly planned to RP more but fell into analysis instead. Ash: A2, 2RP Hoid Slayer: A0, 2RP — Village read. I believe some of their one sentence posts weren’t counted, but HS kept posting such posts. I feel like Aman would have flagged it to HS to post more if they wanted to get rupees. Honor: 0 TJ: 0 Wahr Edit: Wahr, can you tell me about this post? What made you think about the NK being skippable? 1
CoderDrag0n8 He/They Posted February 22 Posted February 22 25 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: “For an attack of that scale? It can’t just be one person, surely. Which means…there must be more. Maybe we could hope some of them died in the explosion? But they’re probably too careful for that, aren’t they. Wait.” She finally registers his second sentence. “Among us? You think they’re here? Pretending to be civilians?” She glances around, at the survivors, many of whom she had interacted with before, some who had become her friends. “You really think someone here could be capable of that? Of doing something so horrible and then just…pretending to be one of us? To care?” “How else do you think they are escaping detection? They have to be hiding among us somewhere.” 25 minutes ago, Archer said: You and Mistfallen can have village reads because e!you would know better than to mess with village confirmed!me. The nice thing about the skipped NK is we can actually apply pressure with our votes. If we win the cycle and there's a suspect pool of 2 or 3, that's bad news for them. I agree the NK skip indicates they plan to win the Loop. Probably the best strategy, which I was hoping to dissuade them from by threatening to develop a secret dead doc code etc. My hope was the elims freeze and default to a standard SE type kill and waited until later in the cycle to see if they wanted to NK one of their own. I was going to soft clear whoever was NKed. I’ve been tracking rupee accumulation. Aman changed the rules for C1 to allow excessive posts from one bucket to fill empty slots in the other bucket, so 7 RP + 3 Analysis = 10 rupees, instead of 8. I don’t think anyone knew that until now, so people likely tried to get 5+5. I expect the elims were gunning for maximum rupee acquisition, especially if they planned on skipping NKs. THat allows the elims to hide better, as the top earners aren’t being sniped every night. It’d be weird if the elims allowed a villager to reach a high level of rupees, so we’d suspect them. No NK also limits how many villagers get the 20 rupee starting amount C2 from being dead. While aiming to get rich is NAI, my theorized elim profile is: --Posts well beyond their usual profile. Villagers don’t tend to care as much, so elims are more likely to extend beyond their usual posting profile because the advantage matters more to them. –Posts near the end of N1 to squeeze in some more earnings, rather than accruing more organically. (Doc, Divergent, and Coder can have some mild sus for their end of N1, but I’m not pursuing this too hard.) –More inclined to RP than analyze because it can’t be read into. These numbers are wrong (due to the rule change and me doing it very quickly). The gist is: Mistfallen: A5, 5RP Wahr: A5, 5RP — Elim read. Outside of their output profile. I feel like they’re quieter usually. Coco: A5, 4RP Burnt: A4, 5RP — Elim read. More RP than analysis. Divergent: A5, 4RP Coder: A4, 5RP — Elim read. Coder has called out their intentions 4+ times, which feels excessive. First time felt villagery, now it’s weird to keep saying they’re going for max funds. Doc: A3, 5RP — Elim read. More RP than analysis. Wonko: A5, 2RP Hael: A3, 3RP TUO: A4, 2RP Araris: A4, 2RP — Village read. They clearly planned to RP more but fell into analysis instead. Ash: A2, 2RP Hoid Slayer: A0, 2RP — Village read. I believe some of their one sentence posts weren’t counted, but HS kept posting such posts. I feel like Aman would have flagged it to HS to post more if they wanted to get rupees. Honor: 0 TJ: 0 Wahr Edit: Wahr, can you tell me about this post? What made you think about the NK being skippable? In the beginning of this, you say you are village confirmed. How? Or was that a joke? I don’t believe I claimed max rupees too many times, but can see how it might have gotten out of hand.
Divergent He/Him Posted February 22 Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Wonko the Sane said: Interesting. A skipped kill. Assuming I'm right about motivations, that means that the Elims are currently going for the win on L1. Also, sorry for my absence last Night. It was a bit of a crazy day for me IRL. I'm currently reading up on what was discussed, and I'm only about a third of the way through. I'll give my thoughts when I catch up (which may not be before I need to get to sleep tonight, but I'll try and get on as soon as I can in the morning) I will say that I protest the claim that my analysis was more helpful for the Elims than the Village. At worst, I alerted the Elims to a possible mistake they could have fallen into, and thus prevented said mistake. I agree that I'm probably a decent suspect right now, simply for the fact that I was so heavily active and involved last cycle. But I'm honestly baffled by how much the meta of SE seems to have shifted while I was away, with Villagers now seeming to fear communication. Yes, there are times where Village secrecy can help catch out an Elim in a mistake or a lie, but broadly speaking, public information favors the Village. This is just a fact of Mafia: the elims start with the information advantage, and the core goal of the Village is to reduce that information gap. I will stand on this: Publicized information almost unilaterally benefits the Village more than the Elims. The only major exception is information about core village vulnerabilities that the Elims start off lacking, like who holds power roles. Anyway, Doc, I'm also sorry about leaving you in the lurch, RP-wise. I haven't gotten to your posts in my catchup yet, but I assume you struggled with my absence. Sorry! There is also the slim possibility that the player with the Bremen Mask successfully blocked the kill too, though I sort of doubt it I still stand by my claim. I don't disagree that publicized information benefits the village, but my issue with it was the timing of when you shared it. During D1, there were a sufficient number of players who were either too busy to read up on the mechanics or were still wrapping their heads around it, so there were good odds that the elim team could be fully comprised of these people. And it could have been likely that the person they kill on N1 would be village-aligned since 48 hours is a tight time that they may not have been able to come up with more complex strategies. You saying said information allowed the elims' strategy to progress more quickly. I feel that it also did limit information we could have gained if they had committed a night kill such as possible motivations to their choice of kill and a chance for an elim to be outed either via the use of the Bremen Mask or the activation of the Don Gero mask. But anyways, it already happened, so best we can do is try to pivot and come up with different strategies to counter what they know by now. Wonko This is where my vote will go for now, but I'd like to hear other thoughts you have on strategies we could take or reads on people (aside from the suspicion on Archer)
coco.pudding she/they Posted February 22 Posted February 22 58 minutes ago, Archer said: You and Mistfallen can have village reads because e!you would know better than to mess with village confirmed!me. The nice thing about the skipped NK is we can actually apply pressure with our votes. If we win the cycle and there's a suspect pool of 2 or 3, that's bad news for them. I agree the NK skip indicates they plan to win the Loop. Probably the best strategy, which I was hoping to dissuade them from by threatening to develop a secret dead doc code etc. My hope was the elims freeze and default to a standard SE type kill and waited until later in the cycle to see if they wanted to NK one of their own. I was going to soft clear whoever was NKed. I’ve been tracking rupee accumulation. Aman changed the rules for C1 to allow excessive posts from one bucket to fill empty slots in the other bucket, so 7 RP + 3 Analysis = 10 rupees, instead of 8. I don’t think anyone knew that until now, so people likely tried to get 5+5. I expect the elims were gunning for maximum rupee acquisition, especially if they planned on skipping NKs. THat allows the elims to hide better, as the top earners aren’t being sniped every night. It’d be weird if the elims allowed a villager to reach a high level of rupees, so we’d suspect them. No NK also limits how many villagers get the 20 rupee starting amount C2 from being dead. While aiming to get rich is NAI, my theorized elim profile is: --Posts well beyond their usual profile. Villagers don’t tend to care as much, so elims are more likely to extend beyond their usual posting profile because the advantage matters more to them. –Posts near the end of N1 to squeeze in some more earnings, rather than accruing more organically. (Doc, Divergent, and Coder can have some mild sus for their end of N1, but I’m not pursuing this too hard.) –More inclined to RP than analyze because it can’t be read into. These numbers are wrong (due to the rule change and me doing it very quickly). The gist is: Mistfallen: A5, 5RP Wahr: A5, 5RP — Elim read. Outside of their output profile. I feel like they’re quieter usually. Coco: A5, 4RP Burnt: A4, 5RP — Elim read. More RP than analysis. Divergent: A5, 4RP Coder: A4, 5RP — Elim read. Coder has called out their intentions 4+ times, which feels excessive. First time felt villagery, now it’s weird to keep saying they’re going for max funds. Doc: A3, 5RP — Elim read. More RP than analysis. Wonko: A5, 2RP Hael: A3, 3RP TUO: A4, 2RP Araris: A4, 2RP — Village read. They clearly planned to RP more but fell into analysis instead. Ash: A2, 2RP Hoid Slayer: A0, 2RP — Village read. I believe some of their one sentence posts weren’t counted, but HS kept posting such posts. I feel like Aman would have flagged it to HS to post more if they wanted to get rupees. Honor: 0 TJ: 0 Wahr Edit: Wahr, can you tell me about this post? What made you think about the NK being skippable? Hm okay a couple things. First, you’re definitely right about our votes putting pressure on them. And we may want to be on the lookout for a potential panic kill later on. Rupee accumulation does seem like a good thing to track. I might also start trying to do a bit of that, although it will likely get more difficult when more masks come into play—we don’t know who has bought what, only who can potentially buy what, and we only know starting funds for this loop and resurrected players. It’s probably going to get very complex very quickly but is probably worth it. However, I’m not sure you’re right on the “trying to get rupees is an elim move” part. I feel like masks are going to be very useful for both sides so I think people on both sides are going to be trying to get them. Sending pms also costs rupees so that’s another reason people might want a lot. Yes, the elims are probably going for maximum rupees but I’m sure some villagers are too. The RP inclination makes sense. This game is also very RP focused so a lot of people have been doing quite a bit of it. But, there may be something to read in to there, I’m just not sure there’s enough of a pattern yet. Then again this is the first exe so there isn’t really any pattern or information yet, is there? It’s kinda just based on vibes. As for your thoughts on Wahr, I had forgotten they were the one who first brought up the no NK idea. That does seem a little odd, although their only other game was one where there wasn’t a NK a couple times so maybe not that weird. I was going to say I remember them not being online at this time—I’m pretty sure it’s the middle of the night for them right now, so you may want to bring their attention back to this when they are back so they can respond. They have been posting more often but that could also just be them trying to get rupees or simply having more time. They don’t have enough of a “normal” for us to know. But you have brought up some good points here and I do agree they’re a bit suspect. ————————— “I guess you’re probably right. I just don’t like the idea of someone bad lurking among us and pretending nothing is wrong.”
Araris Valerian he/him Posted February 22 Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Archer said: While aiming to get rich is NAI, my theorized elim profile is: --Posts well beyond their usual profile. Villagers don’t tend to care as much, so elims are more likely to extend beyond their usual posting profile because the advantage matters more to them. –Posts near the end of N1 to squeeze in some more earnings, rather than accruing more organically. (Doc, Divergent, and Coder can have some mild sus for their end of N1, but I’m not pursuing this too hard.) –More inclined to RP than analyze because it can’t be read into. These numbers are wrong (due to the rule change and me doing it very quickly). The gist is: Mistfallen: A5, 5RP Wahr: A5, 5RP — Elim read. Outside of their output profile. I feel like they’re quieter usually. Coco: A5, 4RP Burnt: A4, 5RP — Elim read. More RP than analysis. Divergent: A5, 4RP Coder: A4, 5RP — Elim read. Coder has called out their intentions 4+ times, which feels excessive. First time felt villagery, now it’s weird to keep saying they’re going for max funds. Doc: A3, 5RP — Elim read. More RP than analysis. Wonko: A5, 2RP Hael: A3, 3RP TUO: A4, 2RP Araris: A4, 2RP — Village read. They clearly planned to RP more but fell into analysis instead. Ash: A2, 2RP Hoid Slayer: A0, 2RP — Village read. I believe some of their one sentence posts weren’t counted, but HS kept posting such posts. I feel like Aman would have flagged it to HS to post more if they wanted to get rupees. Honor: 0 TJ: 0 I like this post, or at least the general idea behind it. I disagree with the activity-based reads on both Doc and Burnt though. Burnt is returning after several years, seems pretty reasonable that she'd post a bunch. And Doc tends to be pretty high-volume as well. Also, there wasn't really much analysis to do, so folks focusing on RP doesn't really stand out much to me. Still, if you're right about Wahr's usual behavior then I can get behind that read. And I tentatively agree with you on Coder as well. I'm fairly busy, so chalk my activity levels down to IRL stuff more than to alignment. I've got ~75 exams to grade this weekend, which is going to eat into my RP time. 1
Burnt Spaghetti she/her Posted February 22 Posted February 22 Well thats an interesting start, and not particularly helpful for us. Was hoping to be able to focus reads based off the NK but the first death will be this exe then. So, elims want to win, and are limiting the pool of dead people for if they succeed is what i'm gathering. So. Hm. We want to exe elims of course, but I think we also want to be mindful of who we could be potentially having as a confirmed good player, because those players I would expect to start recieving a lot of information from people in the next loop. I certainly know that If I needed to tell someone in a pm about something a mask i had did, those would be who i'd contact, so Id want them to be people who are active, and able to communicate to thread what's going on and potentially lead exe's and manage all the incoming communication. So i'd be happy with people like Wonko and Archer to be going in for that. Potentially even both in case future loops they are picked off by elims immediately to stop the information being passed on. The smaller the trust circle, the easier it is for them to try control. If I was to pick my ideal trust circle, I'd have one of those two players, and someone good at/enjoys pm communications, like myself, Mistfallen (at least i think you do, since you seemed keen on postmaster, don't actually personally know how you play ) or Doc. Probably Araris too - I can never read Araris and they always seem to be some sort of quietly absurdly powerful that are super helpful or deadly especially late game. Someone who can help lead from the front, and someone who can help behind scenes. Thinky and chatty folks. Though, the pm situation is not really like what i'm used to so wont have the same level of utilization that I would like. So possibly more so the thinky people. Hael? So. I'll be thinking about not so much who I think is the evillest, but more so out of the potentially evil options, who do i really hope to be actually good the most. Time to go reread posts and try pick up some vibes. I've been mostly just focusing on mechanics and rp at this stage while the game information was limited, so i'll try share reads a bit later on. And yes i know i was trying to get more coin end of cycle How else am i going to send my invitations out for a performance thats totally happening soon in the totally fine town! A girl needs money for stamps! 1
Myst He/Him Posted February 22 Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Archer said: I genuinely thought you were trying to deflect the NK elsewhere with those reads. Carry on. Seriously? Did you think I was trying to draw attention to myself or something? 1 hour ago, Archer said: You and Mistfallen can have village reads because e!you would know better than to mess with village confirmed!me. The nice thing about the skipped NK is we can actually apply pressure with our votes. If we win the cycle and there's a suspect pool of 2 or 3, that's bad news for them. I agree the NK skip indicates they plan to win the Loop. Probably the best strategy, which I was hoping to dissuade them from by threatening to develop a secret dead doc code etc. My hope was the elims freeze and default to a standard SE type kill and waited until later in the cycle to see if they wanted to NK one of their own. I was going to soft clear whoever was NKed. I’ve been tracking rupee accumulation. Aman changed the rules for C1 to allow excessive posts from one bucket to fill empty slots in the other bucket, so 7 RP + 3 Analysis = 10 rupees, instead of 8. I don’t think anyone knew that until now, so people likely tried to get 5+5. I expect the elims were gunning for maximum rupee acquisition, especially if they planned on skipping NKs. THat allows the elims to hide better, as the top earners aren’t being sniped every night. It’d be weird if the elims allowed a villager to reach a high level of rupees, so we’d suspect them. No NK also limits how many villagers get the 20 rupee starting amount C2 from being dead. While aiming to get rich is NAI, my theorized elim profile is: --Posts well beyond their usual profile. Villagers don’t tend to care as much, so elims are more likely to extend beyond their usual posting profile because the advantage matters more to them. –Posts near the end of N1 to squeeze in some more earnings, rather than accruing more organically. (Doc, Divergent, and Coder can have some mild sus for their end of N1, but I’m not pursuing this too hard.) –More inclined to RP than analyze because it can’t be read into. These numbers are wrong (due to the rule change and me doing it very quickly). The gist is: Mistfallen: A5, 5RP Wahr: A5, 5RP — Elim read. Outside of their output profile. I feel like they’re quieter usually. Coco: A5, 4RP Burnt: A4, 5RP — Elim read. More RP than analysis. Divergent: A5, 4RP Coder: A4, 5RP — Elim read. Coder has called out their intentions 4+ times, which feels excessive. First time felt villagery, now it’s weird to keep saying they’re going for max funds. Doc: A3, 5RP — Elim read. More RP than analysis. Wonko: A5, 2RP Hael: A3, 3RP TUO: A4, 2RP Araris: A4, 2RP — Village read. They clearly planned to RP more but fell into analysis instead. Ash: A2, 2RP Hoid Slayer: A0, 2RP — Village read. I believe some of their one sentence posts weren’t counted, but HS kept posting such posts. I feel like Aman would have flagged it to HS to post more if they wanted to get rupees. Honor: 0 TJ: 0 Wahr Edit: Wahr, can you tell me about this post? What made you think about the NK being skippable? You forget I’ve never played a game with you when you’re village. Except for potentially now, but I don’t think so. Speaking of which, could you explain why you decided to discuss Elim strat in thread? If I missed it please point it out. Also, again, everyone, the Elims have committed pretty much to trying to win loop 1. We need to solve this, meaning we have to be very intentional with who we get out. I’ve seen Wonko, Wahr, and Archer up for exe. Out of those three. I’ve seen more of Archer, plus Archer himself… which actually makes me inclined to trust him…. As an Elim, there’s no reason to volunteer for exe and then try to win loop 1 as Elim… I’ll have to think more, but I’m also at a dance right now, so… idk
Divergent He/Him Posted February 22 Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Archer said: I’ve been tracking rupee accumulation. Aman changed the rules for C1 to allow excessive posts from one bucket to fill empty slots in the other bucket, so 7 RP + 3 Analysis = 10 rupees, instead of 8. I don’t think anyone knew that until now, so people likely tried to get 5+5. I expect the elims were gunning for maximum rupee acquisition, especially if they planned on skipping NKs. THat allows the elims to hide better, as the top earners aren’t being sniped every night. It’d be weird if the elims allowed a villager to reach a high level of rupees, so we’d suspect them. No NK also limits how many villagers get the 20 rupee starting amount C2 from being dead. While aiming to get rich is NAI, my theorized elim profile is: --Posts well beyond their usual profile. Villagers don’t tend to care as much, so elims are more likely to extend beyond their usual posting profile because the advantage matters more to them. –Posts near the end of N1 to squeeze in some more earnings, rather than accruing more organically. (Doc, Divergent, and Coder can have some mild sus for their end of N1, but I’m not pursuing this too hard.) –More inclined to RP than analyze because it can’t be read into. These numbers are wrong (due to the rule change and me doing it very quickly). The gist is: Mistfallen: A5, 5RP Wahr: A5, 5RP — Elim read. Outside of their output profile. I feel like they’re quieter usually. Coco: A5, 4RP Burnt: A4, 5RP — Elim read. More RP than analysis. Divergent: A5, 4RP Coder: A4, 5RP — Elim read. Coder has called out their intentions 4+ times, which feels excessive. First time felt villagery, now it’s weird to keep saying they’re going for max funds. Doc: A3, 5RP — Elim read. More RP than analysis. Wonko: A5, 2RP Hael: A3, 3RP TUO: A4, 2RP Araris: A4, 2RP — Village read. They clearly planned to RP more but fell into analysis instead. Ash: A2, 2RP Hoid Slayer: A0, 2RP — Village read. I believe some of their one sentence posts weren’t counted, but HS kept posting such posts. I feel like Aman would have flagged it to HS to post more if they wanted to get rupees. Honor: 0 TJ: 0 On the change in rupee accumulation, I think people would have known, probably not everyone, but at least those who were keeping up with Aman's answers to questions would have seen it. Also, we did receive payouts when the night started, so I was also able to observe the change taking into effect. On your post count, I do wonder if it is actually counted more leniently (like any post, even Honor's and TJ's stating that they will be catching up is counted) or more strictly (that there needs to be a considerable amount of analysis). But if we go by the idea that your numbers are correct, I do feel it more likely that the elims were not pushing for maximum rupee accumulation with how several of these players did not reach the maximum amount of acquisition in the cycle. It does conflict with the idea that the NK was skipped, but it's also quite possible that the elims were struggling to produce meaningful content and simply decided to skip an NK after seeing the idea raised in thread.
Myst He/Him Posted February 22 Posted February 22 17 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said: Well thats an interesting start, and not particularly helpful for us. Was hoping to be able to focus reads based off the NK but the first death will be this exe then. So, elims want to win, and are limiting the pool of dead people for if they succeed is what i'm gathering. So. Hm. We want to exe elims of course, but I think we also want to be mindful of who we could be potentially having as a confirmed good player, because those players I would expect to start recieving a lot of information from people in the next loop. I certainly know that If I needed to tell someone in a pm about something a mask i had did, those would be who i'd contact, so Id want them to be people who are active, and able to communicate to thread what's going on and potentially lead exe's and manage all the incoming communication. So i'd be happy with people like Wonko and Archer to be going in for that. Potentially even both in case future loops they are picked off by elims immediately to stop the information being passed on. The smaller the trust circle, the easier it is for them to try control. If I was to pick my ideal trust circle, I'd have one of those two players, and someone good at/enjoys pm communications, like myself, Mistfallen (at least i think you do, since you seemed keen on postmaster, don't actually personally know how you play ) or Doc. Probably Araris too - I can never read Araris and they always seem to be some sort of quietly absurdly powerful that are super helpful or deadly especially late game. Someone who can help lead from the front, and someone who can help behind scenes. Thinky and chatty folks. Though, the pm situation is not really like what i'm used to so wont have the same level of utilization that I would like. So possibly more so the thinky people. Hael? So. I'll be thinking about not so much who I think is the evillest, but more so out of the potentially evil options, who do i really hope to be actually good the most. Time to go reread posts and try pick up some vibes. I've been mostly just focusing on mechanics and rp at this stage while the game information was limited, so i'll try share reads a bit later on. And yes i know i was trying to get more coin end of cycle How else am i going to send my invitations out for a performance thats totally happening soon in the totally fine town! A girl needs money for stamps! If you want a PM person, go with Doc. I myself am good in a doc, but not PMs, that’s doc, he is so good with them. That said, who do you trust more? If we’re exing for dead doc, it should just be people we trust. That should come above problem solving. That said, I would prefer to not die today, for reasons I would not like to reveal yet
CoderDrag0n8 He/They Posted February 22 Posted February 22 53 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: Hm okay a couple things. First, you’re definitely right about our votes putting pressure on them. And we may want to be on the lookout for a potential panic kill later on. Rupee accumulation does seem like a good thing to track. I might also start trying to do a bit of that, although it will likely get more difficult when more masks come into play—we don’t know who has bought what, only who can potentially buy what, and we only know starting funds for this loop and resurrected players. It’s probably going to get very complex very quickly but is probably worth it. However, I’m not sure you’re right on the “trying to get rupees is an elim move” part. I feel like masks are going to be very useful for both sides so I think people on both sides are going to be trying to get them. Sending pms also costs rupees so that’s another reason people might want a lot. Yes, the elims are probably going for maximum rupees but I’m sure some villagers are too. The RP inclination makes sense. This game is also very RP focused so a lot of people have been doing quite a bit of it. But, there may be something to read in to there, I’m just not sure there’s enough of a pattern yet. Then again this is the first exe so there isn’t really any pattern or information yet, is there? It’s kinda just based on vibes. As for your thoughts on Wahr, I had forgotten they were the one who first brought up the no NK idea. That does seem a little odd, although their only other game was one where there wasn’t a NK a couple times so maybe not that weird. I was going to say I remember them not being online at this time—I’m pretty sure it’s the middle of the night for them right now, so you may want to bring their attention back to this when they are back so they can respond. They have been posting more often but that could also just be them trying to get rupees or simply having more time. They don’t have enough of a “normal” for us to know. But you have brought up some good points here and I do agree they’re a bit suspect. ————————— “I guess you’re probably right. I just don’t like the idea of someone bad lurking among us and pretending nothing is wrong.” "Yeah... But the cordination means that people other than the flying skull kid had to of been involved, and we didn't see any other poeple." Well, I did. But Squircle decided not to mention that. 40 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said: Well thats an interesting start, and not particularly helpful for us. Was hoping to be able to focus reads based off the NK but the first death will be this exe then. So, elims want to win, and are limiting the pool of dead people for if they succeed is what i'm gathering. So. Hm. We want to exe elims of course, but I think we also want to be mindful of who we could be potentially having as a confirmed good player, because those players I would expect to start recieving a lot of information from people in the next loop. I certainly know that If I needed to tell someone in a pm about something a mask i had did, those would be who i'd contact, so Id want them to be people who are active, and able to communicate to thread what's going on and potentially lead exe's and manage all the incoming communication. So i'd be happy with people like Wonko and Archer to be going in for that. Potentially even both in case future loops they are picked off by elims immediately to stop the information being passed on. The smaller the trust circle, the easier it is for them to try control. If I was to pick my ideal trust circle, I'd have one of those two players, and someone good at/enjoys pm communications, like myself, Mistfallen (at least i think you do, since you seemed keen on postmaster, don't actually personally know how you play ) or Doc. Probably Araris too - I can never read Araris and they always seem to be some sort of quietly absurdly powerful that are super helpful or deadly especially late game. Someone who can help lead from the front, and someone who can help behind scenes. Thinky and chatty folks. Though, the pm situation is not really like what i'm used to so wont have the same level of utilization that I would like. So possibly more so the thinky people. Hael? So. I'll be thinking about not so much who I think is the evillest, but more so out of the potentially evil options, who do i really hope to be actually good the most. Time to go reread posts and try pick up some vibes. I've been mostly just focusing on mechanics and rp at this stage while the game information was limited, so i'll try share reads a bit later on. And yes i know i was trying to get more coin end of cycle How else am i going to send my invitations out for a performance thats totally happening soon in the totally fine town! A girl needs money for stamps! I am fairly thinky Although not 100% if I would be someone you are going for. I doo like the idea of being in a trust circle (who doesn't?)
Myst He/Him Posted February 22 Posted February 22 1 minute ago, CoderDrag0n8 said: "Yeah... But the cordination means that people other than the flying skull kid had to of been involved, and we didn't see any other poeple." Well, I did. But Squircle decided not to mention that. I am fairly thinky Although not 100% if I would be someone you are going for. I doo like the idea of being in a trust circle (who doesn't?) Someone with trust issues, which, considering we’re playing a social manipulation, probably includes most of us. Time for some RP though. Kieran unsheathed his short sword, carefully moving through the forest. People were always watching the road for threats, forgetting that most of it came from the forest instead. Surprisingly, everything had been quiet of late, not what Kieran had expected… considering what had happened in town, he had expected it to be much more like his days adventuring.
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