Hoid Slayer He/Him Posted February 22 Posted February 22 Just now, coco.pudding said: This is kind of what I’ve been thinking too. I do think a trust circle makes sense, it would be great to have some people (especially more advanced players) who can all freely share information and reads and whatever, as well as strategizing with no risk of the elims catching onto that strategy and somehow thwarting it using that information. The main problem I see with this (which you just pointed out) is that those players won’t know until next loop if they can all be trusted, and with the way pms work there’s not really a good way to continue communicating unless they’re all in the dead doc again. We have been discussing a code but even if a decent code could be developed, we again wouldn’t know if the players who know it can be trusted until the next loop. They could develop a code and then find out there’s an elim who knows it, which would just ruin the whole purpose. The captains hat is another interesting point there, I think we have to assume the dead doc is never secure. I’m not sure how many people had enough to potentially buy it, I’m not quite done with my rupee tallies since I’ve been busy all day but I’ll get back to you on that soon if anyone thinks that may be useful information. I don’t think many people got to 20 in time, but I could be wrong. Some of those people could also have bought blues and therefore didn’t actually have the funds for a red. Okay so that was a lot of analyzing about the dead doc (and some repetition of what others have been saying, it just helps my brain to see it all in one place and hopefully that’s helpful for others too). Sorry about that, I have a tendency toward over analysis of very small things. I guess that’s probably a good thing for this game though. So. My thoughts on current strategy. I feel like we should be trying to exe an elim at least for this day. Depending on how they react to whoever we exe, we can decide what to do for D3 but I don’t think we should be counting on the dead doc as a safe place to discuss strategy or a place to put our best players so they can be cleared, because ultimately we don’t know if they will be cleared or not, and won’t until next loop. So my vote for today at least is to actually try to get an elim out. Which I think most people seem to be agreeing on? Just wanted to put my opinion on the matter out there. Sorry I’m a little late to this particular train, like I said earlier I’ve been pretty busy today. Thats actually a pretty interesting angle. You’re saying we shouldn’t be looking for complete lack of participation but instead people who have been doing the bare minimum in terms of participation? I do agree it’s a bit odd that Ashbringer both has barely said anything but also hasn’t offered any justification for why. At least the other two have said they’re busy and will try to catch up soon. (Or at least TJ has. I feel like Honor has too but I might be imagining that) That would be pretty annoying. Anyways hopefully what I said above is sort of what you were thinking? ————————— As hostile creatures begin pouring out of the canopy above, Amora unsheathes the sword she grabbed off a dead Clock Ward back in the town (this totally happened, I’m not just making it up for plot purposes right now, nooo) and moves to defend the small group she has found herself with, making sure the injured man, the Deku child, and the others who looked too injured or too in shock to fight are safely in the middle. “We need to form a line!” She calls out to the others who look like they may be able to fight. “Defend the ones who can’t fight, make sure nothing gets through to them!” With that, she steps boldly outward, slashing at an approaching Peahat and taking up a position next to Squircle, defending him from the side and trusting him to protect her as well. She hasn’t fought like this in years, but in the heat of combat muscle memory comes rushing back. She knows how to hold a line. So hold it she shall. Yeah I really think that the way this game works, there isn't really any solid way to clear anyone if the elims play this right Due to the lack of info every exe gives us, my logical mind almost wants to go ahead and just exe players on something arbitrary but clear - where elims won't be able to sneak in any members But that definitely would not be fun for an entire loop, so I'm not quite sure how to approach this
Archer he/him Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Correct me if I'm wrong, you can't buy any more masks until L2D1. That includes the one that lets you see the dead doc. I'd avoid reading TJ based on out-of-game factors, since they're non alignment indicative. **** Ouae side-eyed the pointed fingers at them. "It seems we have bigger issues to worry about. I've yet to see what they look like, but skull tarantulas sound terrifying!" She covered her head with her notebook to ward them off. "I get it, I'm dead meat, esteemed friends. Speaking of Steamed Meat, I'd love to tell you about this meat dish, wrapped in fragrant leaves and steamed to preserve its moisture..."
Myst He/Him Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Archer said: Correct me if I'm wrong, you can't buy any more masks until L2D1. That includes the one that lets you see the dead doc. I'd avoid reading TJ based on out-of-game factors, since they're non alignment indicative. **** Ouae side-eyed the pointed fingers at them. "It seems we have bigger issues to worry about. I've yet to see what they look like, but skull tarantulas sound terrifying!" She covered her head with her notebook to ward them off. "I get it, I'm dead meat, esteemed friends. Speaking of Steamed Meat, I'd love to tell you about this meat dish, wrapped in fragrant leaves and steamed to preserve its moisture..." You really shouldn’t have said that. I can figure out what this means, and you didn’t even mean to say it
coco.pudding she/they Posted February 23 Posted February 23 6 minutes ago, Archer said: Correct me if I'm wrong, you can't buy any more masks until L2D1. That includes the one that lets you see the dead doc. I'd avoid reading TJ based on out-of-game factors, since they're non alignment indicative. **** Ouae side-eyed the pointed fingers at them. "It seems we have bigger issues to worry about. I've yet to see what they look like, but skull tarantulas sound terrifying!" She covered her head with her notebook to ward them off. "I get it, I'm dead meat, esteemed friends. Speaking of Steamed Meat, I'd love to tell you about this meat dish, wrapped in fragrant leaves and steamed to preserve its moisture..." I don’t think they’re saying someone could buy it now, someone could have bought it night 1 if they got enough activity.
Myst He/Him Posted February 23 Posted February 23 6 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: I don’t think they’re saying someone could buy it now, someone could have bought it night 1 if they got enough activity. Okay good, otherwise we’d have problems. I’m not sure if I should say exactly what that problem is though, because I don’t think everyone else has noticed, and if I point it out, the Elims would know about it
Hoid Slayer He/Him Posted February 23 Posted February 23 14 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: You really shouldn’t have said that. I can figure out what this means, and you didn’t even mean to say it ...
Myst He/Him Posted February 23 Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said: ... I’m not clarifying. @Archer I will PM you about it. I’d suggest against revealing when you get said PM, as that could potentially say what color I have
Archer he/him Posted February 23 Posted February 23 How about some reads, huh! Derp Clears —Village: Mistfallen Soldier Quote Wait… did no one die? Or did I miss it in the write-up? / I forgot this was a lg, and that NKs are night actions, my bad Edit: I really am playing badly this game. Wow L1N1, Mistfallen was confused whether or not an NK occurred, which wasn’t yet possible, as an elim would know if they had been coordinating who would put in the kill. The edited self depreciation sells this as genuine for me. —Light village: Honor’s Ghost Quote Wowzers hey at least no ones dead Ig but wow L1N1 seemed not to realize deaths weren’t possible yet. This tracks for a genuine low active, rather than a lurker. —Light village: Coder Quote also I NEED MORE RP L1D1 and beyond, Coder references their relentless pursuit of rupees. I think that on balance, drawing attention to yourself so much feels villagery, although I’m careful to call self-conscious behavior villagey. Elims Wouldn’t Say That: –Village: Coco Quote Also, if a NK can be skipped that would definitely add an extra variable into this since that basically means the elims can choose how many people die each loop and are therefore resurrected with the stipend/cleared in the event of a village win in the previous loop. Is that a possibility? L1D1, they discuss skipping the NK, which was the ultimate course of action. I doubt the elims would bring it up publicly beforehand. Bonus comment: Quote Also, there’s about an hour left until end of day 1 right? Anything in particular we need to get done before then? L1D1, they ask if there’s anything left to do. That’s presumably on the elims’ minds, but it’d be weird to ask the same question publicly. —Village: Wahr Quote I think I agree with Araris on always trying to go for an Elim, yes Archer and Wonko are right that loosing L1 would hard clear up to 5 people, but if the elims do not submitt a Night Kill they could reduce our trust circle to 2 hard Cleared players (assuming the NK can be skipped, while ensuring they still win L1 through the exe. L1D1 they discuss skipping the NK, which is a conversation best kept in the elim doc. —Light village: Doc Quote Also extremely amused that Archer and Wonko are basically handholding the elims through how to make things harder for the village. L1D1, they made this comment which I can’t imagine them sharing if they had an elim doc to put it in. Light read because Doc’s cheeky. Situational and Other Reads —Very light village: Divergent Quote I've been mulling it over, but do we think now would be a good time to start sharing reads, or would it be better to withhold sharing it for now and wait until the next day arrives (since sharing them now could influence what the elims do before they even get their first kill)? L1N1, they made this post asking for permission to share their thoughts, which they later did. My theory would be that an elim pushing the pace just suggests it, while Divergent saying they’re ‘mulling it over’ feels genuine. This is easily mistaken for an elim trying not to catch similar heat to Wonko and I, so it’s a light read. —Light village; Wonko Situationally, choosing not to NK when you’re under suspicion means you’re likely to end up in a pool of four suspects, rather than five. There’s still reasons to do it, but it’s risk. *** I'm left with a POE of TUO, Araris, TJ, Ashbringer, Hael, Burnt, Hoid. Is that because I'm less likely to ascribe derp clears to players who fit the meta I'm familiar with more? Is it likely the elim team has a better mix of new and old faces? Probably. Lets discuss where I've gone wrong! Also, I realized I clocked that one Unknown post because it didn't have any dialogue in the RP. Probably a false positive from my pattern recognition subconscious. Unknown Burnt
Hoid Slayer He/Him Posted February 23 Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: I’m not clarifying. @Archer I will PM you about it. I’d suggest against revealing when you get said PM, as that could potentially say what color I have Hell nawww bro Also what do you mean “color”?
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Ngl I’ve been… not that busy? Or more busy with social commitments than work commitments, so haven’t had much free time + computer time line up. But also I think it’s difficult for me to get engaged in the game when nothing too meaningful has happened yet. (Sure, missing/blocked NK is interesting, but not as interesting as an actual target.) Also, I’m an RP guy. Kinda my thing, and I’ve been… somewhat known to prioritize it over early analysis But if there’s something specific someone wants me to take a look at, let me know!
coco.pudding she/they Posted February 23 Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Ngl I’ve been… not that busy? Or more busy with social commitments than work commitments, so haven’t had much free time + computer time line up. But also I think it’s difficult for me to get engaged in the game when nothing too meaningful has happened yet. (Sure, missing/blocked NK is interesting, but not as interesting as an actual target.) Also, I’m an RP guy. Kinda my thing, and I’ve been… somewhat known to prioritize it over early analysis But if there’s something specific someone wants me to take a look at, let me know! Liking RP more is fair, I think the complaint against you was more that you hadn’t posted much at all, rp or analysis
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) 3 hours ago, Archer said: Dead doc members should create a code for private communication in-thread the following loop. If the elims are giving us a trust circle, we're going to leverage it to it's full extent. Just as long as they're careful not to take it too far. Ciphers are against the General Rules: Quote Do not use ciphers, codes, or other languages to communicate in a way other players cannot understand. If a game has limited or closed PMs, you can’t get around that by making private messages in the thread. At most, you may communicate a particular piece of information specified in PM (e.g. “the first name I say in my first post will be the person I think you should scan”), but you cannot just tell someone a key in PM so that they can decipher the piece of code you put in the thread. 3 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: Considering you have said you don’t know my playstyle, I do find it weird that you think I’d be a “good village to exe” but that’s not really alignment indicative. Maybe you misread? I said that Archer is my pick for good villager to exe, not you. 3 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: As for the mask. At this point, about half the people should have one. The 12 people who don’t have a blue mask can all go for the 4 red masks. I don’t think it’s too much of an info reveal to say that, especially since I didn’t say which. Uncertainty over blast and dorongo kinda make it not too much of a problem. That seems like a fair assessment, but my point wasn't being surprised that you were claiming -- it was wondering why you would claim in such a coy way. Why not simply say you have a mask? As I pointed out, it reads as though you wanted us to think you were hiding it. Why? 3 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: As for an Elim being there, it’s not too much different from 4 Elims being in thread. Right... which is why we don't treat the thread like a trusted PM. I was pointing out to Archer that we can't simultaneously put an elim in there AND use it as a private communication tool. 2 hours ago, Wahrheitswächter said: well it was just a retaliation Vote, and you may have noticed that i have withdrawn it already And what exactly make you so sus of retaliation votes? It's not the retaliation I find suspicious (though I happen to believe that meaningless votes like that degrade the pressure value of pokes and are a bad idea for the Village). The issue was that you put a vote on an existing train for an apparently spurious reason, elevating Archer to the second-place exe candidate. That's a pretty dramatic action to take for a small reason. 2 hours ago, Wahrheitswächter said: I dont think it was that big of a jump, the memory of it was still relatively fresh and I was looking if I could see potential holes in the proposed strategy, That makes sense. The only reason it's super notable is that it ended up being what the elims actually did. So your explanation is plausible, but so is the explanation that it was on your mind because you'd already been discussing it as an option in the elim doc. It's not a huge black mark or anything, but it's worth noting. 2 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said: Yeah I really think that the way this game works, there isn't really any solid way to clear anyone if the elims play this right Due to the lack of info every exe gives us, my logical mind almost wants to go ahead and just exe players on something arbitrary but clear - where elims won't be able to sneak in any members But that definitely would not be fun for an entire loop, so I'm not quite sure how to approach this I WOULD agree, except for the fact that the elims seem to be trying to win Loop 1. If they succeed and take the Loop 1 boss mask, then every person who died Loop 1 will be fully and perfectly cleared. That's what we've been discussing. 1 hour ago, Archer said: Correct me if I'm wrong, you can't buy any more masks until L2D1. That includes the one that lets you see the dead doc. I'd avoid reading TJ based on out-of-game factors, since they're non alignment indicative. Yes, but it was possible for a player to end D1A with 10 extra rupees (I'm an example of this), and having so done, as long as they didn't get a 5 rupee mask, they could have bought a 20 rupee mask on N1A. 1 hour ago, Archer said: Elims Wouldn’t Say That: –Village: Coco L1D1, they discuss skipping the NK, which was the ultimate course of action. I doubt the elims would bring it up publicly beforehand. Bonus comment: L1D1, they ask if there’s anything left to do. That’s presumably on the elims’ minds, but it’d be weird to ask the same question publicly. —Village: Wahr L1D1 they discuss skipping the NK, which is a conversation best kept in the elim doc. See, that's interesting, because I read it the other way. I still feel the decision to skip the NK was made in response to discussion D1A, so it's entirely believable that the skip wasn't planned when they first discussed it in thread. But I do see what you mean, so it really depends on how premeditated the elim actions so far have been. 1 hour ago, Archer said: —Light village; Wonko Situationally, choosing not to NK when you’re under suspicion means you’re likely to end up in a pool of four suspects, rather than five. There’s still reasons to do it, but it’s risk. Much as I hate to argue with one of the only people for whom I'm not top of the suspect list, I have to point out that I was inactive for nearly all of N1A. So even if I was an elim, I wasn't directly involved in the NK decision. But I also have to ask: what reasons, outside of IKYK shenanigans, do you see for me baiting an exe on myself and then choosing to skip the kill? Because I can't think of any that would apply. 36 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Ngl I’ve been… not that busy? Or more busy with social commitments than work commitments, so haven’t had much free time + computer time line up. But also I think it’s difficult for me to get engaged in the game when nothing too meaningful has happened yet. (Sure, missing/blocked NK is interesting, but not as interesting as an actual target.) Also, I’m an RP guy. Kinda my thing, and I’ve been… somewhat known to prioritize it over early analysis But if there’s something specific someone wants me to take a look at, let me know! All right, if you're looking for a prompt: In your opinion, at what point in time did the elims make the choice to skip the NK? Edited February 23 by Wonko the Sane
Archer he/him Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Your telling me the elims can spy on my dead doc, I can't make a convoluted code system, and I could have requested a cool mask last night? I'm turning the dead doc into a 16 pages of memes and you canr stop me. @Mistfallen Soldier Agreed on 1 and 2, let's put a pin in 3 for a while. But I'd do it.
Myst He/Him Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Archer said: Your telling me the elims can spy on my dead doc, I can't make a convoluted code system, and I could have requested a cool mask last night? I'm turning the dead doc into a 16 pages of memes and you canr stop me. @Mistfallen Soldier Agreed on 1 and 2, let's put a pin in 3 for a while. But I'd do it. I’m gonna need a sec to remember what you’re referring to lol. I think I know though… Edit: I believe I know now… hopefully I’m not wrong Edited February 23 by Mistfallen Soldier
Burnt Spaghetti she/her Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) Okay. Vibes listing time. Most will probably be neutral cause i don’t feel there's lots to go off yet. But i did say i would try share my current thoughts. Spoiler TUO: no posts n1. Minimal discussion. Evil leaning. Araris: medium activity. Soft village read based on D1 posts Warh - did point out D1 that elims not submitting a NK could reduce the potential trust circle. If that's indeed what theyre doing, which is what it seems to be, that gives me a soft village for warh Ashbringer: Also minimal discussion, around but low activity. Neutral sus? Coco: slight village lean, discussion seems generally helpful? TJ: Inactive cycle 1, Irl reasons, Neutral read, need more info. Would not exe so there's a chance for them to participate in thread so that later we can build a read. Honors Ghost: Same thing as TJ, also pretty inactive. Has floated in on occasion but doesn’t seem to be focusing on the game much. No real reason given for absence- definitely want to see more from them - neutral, soft evil leaning. Haelbarde: Neutral - preaches pm safety and not claiming masks yet, which is pretty standard hael behaviour. Ngl clarifying whether the elims have a nk in thread does make me lean more village than not though, that would be a weird thing for an elim to clarify. Wonko: very thinky. Good understanding of the game mechanics, helpful discussion but there's the concern that while i do feel what he’s saying is helping us out and making sure we know what's going on, that he’s also potentially making the elims aware of things they could be doing. On that point, i’m a fan of village having the information needed to appropriately prepare ourselves - Just because you don’t tell a building that burning down is a possibility, doesn’t mean that it won’t accidentally burn itself down anyways. Look i know there's holes in that analogy, but point is, I’d rather we be prepared. Though I do understand that if we think they may not know something, that's a potential advantage that we could utilize to set up traps. So. Hm. Read: really want them to be village. Which makes them a good exe target, but also I kinda like them being in thread, and would be more inclined for a D3 exe if they’re to be exe’d Doc: The pm lad. I fully believe it when he says he would go for the postmans hat, whether or not he got it though, well, that's another story for a later loop. Team wonko and archer being too helpful. Ngl i’m used to reading doc in pms and not paying attention to them in thread lol so actually feel pretty neutral atm. Coder: A bit reactive. This can mean two things - defensive panic of an elim being noticed, but also indignation of a villager getting wrongfully accused. Currently feeling more the latter of the two, but something to keep an eye on. Read: Neutral but paying attention to. Mistfallen: High activity count. I would not be inclined to exe them this day. Happy for them to do their thing. I agree with their thoughts on trying to exe an elim this day regardless of trust circle potential and then considering the d3 exe around that more seriously. While a trust circle could be great for us long term, also not losing a loop would be excellent for us, and this loop they would have less players to hide amongst if we get them since they didn’t night kill at all. So would be easier to try work out who we got right in this case. If there's no N2 kill, and we correctly exe an elim d3, then there's not really anyone to hide amongst and we’ll pretty clearly know who the evil person was. Long story short. Village leaning at this stage Divergent: Some good discussion contributions. One of the first people to share reads which does village lean them a little for me. Archer: volunteered for a d2 exe - doesn’t make sense if an elim and elims are trying to win this round, but that could also be an intentional play. Active and thinky which i like. Falls into a similar category as wonko. I want them to be village. They seem useful to have on our side, but if they are evil we would learn a lot. Hoid Slayer: Fairly inactive cycle 1, has entered chat this cycle which is good, though not a lot said realistically. No current read. With the lower activity players, id be looking at them more for a loop 2 exe. Certainly would prefer to be able to get some information from posts on those we kill for future analysis, but if the inactivity stays consistent then that's a concern. Again i think mistfallens point about maybe prioritising the could be evil but theyd be great in the dead doc people for D3 is a good one. As I said in my earlier post obviously the goal is to kill elims asap. I’m just being mindful of what happens if we don’t. Okay im running out of steam and need to go do life for a bit. This is too many words >.> I dont know who i’m most sus of. I’m wary of the low activity players because lurking is hard to read, but that doesn’t mean they’re evil. I’m wary of the talky players cause if they’re evil they gonna be a big problem for us but also theyre helpful if we get them cleared. Ideally they get night killed. That would be best case i think. Cause then regardless of the loop win or loss, they’re probably chill. So who i’m actually most sus of then is probably people i’ve been saying village lean, the middling activity players who nothing stands out about >.> I’ll also note, I don’t see a mask list. Does this mean that if any mask is purchased in the night we won’t ever know? Oh I’ll also note since i realise i’m not known to all of you - I’m australian, so im mostly likely to be on in the hours around roll over. So yes, last minute posts cause i want money while i’ve got the time to farm for it, but also those are the hours where i’m most likely going to be on. That's my afternoon, so yall gotta wait for me to wake up enough to think before i’m likely to be posting. Also probably going to not have big posts like this often, especially not during week days >.> If i’m called in for work this aint happening cause this took me hours to process through and i have life to get back to now. yall are prolly just getting rp for the next bit just saying Also some more questions for @Amanuensis: - do the letters of the executed person get sent out still? - I presume if the postman is executed the mail doesnt get sent out? Do we get refunded? Would it just be sent at a later date when postman reopens shop? - Does sending a message to someone count as targeting them? Edit: Ew thats a long post. Edited February 23 by Burnt Spaghetti
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 23 Posted February 23 50 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said: All right, if you're looking for a prompt: In your opinion, at what point in time did the elims make the choice to skip the NK? If I had to guess, about halfway through the night, with a more engaged team (ie one with you/Archer, perhaps Coder) deciding earlier. Depends how much a team not involved in D1's meta-discussion reads into the meta, or how much a team that was involved would want to explain the strategy that actually happened. E!Wonko or E!Archer could just leave the kill up to another member pretty easily. Assuming the kill was actually skipped. I see the value in one team "throwing" the first loop in order to get a better (or worse) picture for the Village in terms of alignments, but it's still a little backwards to me, and what you'd said earlier about the rationale for skipping a kill was somewhat confusing. If the Elims want to throw, they can do so at any time by NKing one of their own, if one isn't caught - obviously that's not ideal for them if it's obvious, but without the alignment-judging abilities of Process of Elimination it becomes easier to not make it so. ... actually... hmm. Perhaps I get the reasoning. Less of a pool, and less early, in the case of a win. Still odd to me. Part of the game with skipping kills in a game with roleblocks is that if you purposefully withold a kill, you 4x your chances of a roleblocker hitting any one Elim and announcing it to the thread, rather than the one Elim actually sending in the kill.
CoderDrag0n8 He/They Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Alright guys so I've been thinking. There's a few things that I would like to point out that may be super-crazy obvious but like whatever. Votes are not bad. Gone are the days where death is permanent, and in this case, death can actually be helpful. Its the e!reads that can ruin you. 3 hours ago, Archer said: Correct me if I'm wrong, you can't buy any more masks until L2D1. That includes the one that lets you see the dead doc. I'd avoid reading TJ based on out-of-game factors, since they're non alignment indicative. **** Ouae side-eyed the pointed fingers at them. "It seems we have bigger issues to worry about. I've yet to see what they look like, but skull tarantulas sound terrifying!" She covered her head with her notebook to ward them off. "I get it, I'm dead meat, esteemed friends. Speaking of Steamed Meat, I'd love to tell you about this meat dish, wrapped in fragrant leaves and steamed to preserve its moisture..." I feel the need to say, that Aman did in fact confirm that if you had enough rupees N1, you could still buy a mask. (So if you didn't buy a blue mask, you could go for red) 3 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: You really shouldn’t have said that. I can figure out what this means, and you didn’t even mean to say it ????? 2 hours ago, Archer said: How about some reads, huh! Derp Clears —Village: Mistfallen Soldier L1N1, Mistfallen was confused whether or not an NK occurred, which wasn’t yet possible, as an elim would know if they had been coordinating who would put in the kill. The edited self depreciation sells this as genuine for me. —Light village: Honor’s Ghost L1N1 seemed not to realize deaths weren’t possible yet. This tracks for a genuine low active, rather than a lurker. —Light village: Coder L1D1 and beyond, Coder references their relentless pursuit of rupees. I think that on balance, drawing attention to yourself so much feels villagery, although I’m careful to call self-conscious behavior villagey. Elims Wouldn’t Say That: –Village: Coco L1D1, they discuss skipping the NK, which was the ultimate course of action. I doubt the elims would bring it up publicly beforehand. Bonus comment: L1D1, they ask if there’s anything left to do. That’s presumably on the elims’ minds, but it’d be weird to ask the same question publicly. —Village: Wahr L1D1 they discuss skipping the NK, which is a conversation best kept in the elim doc. —Light village: Doc L1D1, they made this comment which I can’t imagine them sharing if they had an elim doc to put it in. Light read because Doc’s cheeky. Situational and Other Reads —Very light village: Divergent L1N1, they made this post asking for permission to share their thoughts, which they later did. My theory would be that an elim pushing the pace just suggests it, while Divergent saying they’re ‘mulling it over’ feels genuine. This is easily mistaken for an elim trying not to catch similar heat to Wonko and I, so it’s a light read. —Light village; Wonko Situationally, choosing not to NK when you’re under suspicion means you’re likely to end up in a pool of four suspects, rather than five. There’s still reasons to do it, but it’s risk. *** I'm left with a POE of TUO, Araris, TJ, Ashbringer, Hael, Burnt, Hoid. Is that because I'm less likely to ascribe derp clears to players who fit the meta I'm familiar with more? Is it likely the elim team has a better mix of new and old faces? Probably. Lets discuss where I've gone wrong! Also, I realized I clocked that one Unknown post because it didn't have any dialogue in the RP. Probably a false positive from my pattern recognition subconscious. Unknown Burnt I am going to assume Derp is good! 4 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: Saying this kinda makes me suspicious of myself lol well if you say so - - - 3 hours ago, coco.pudding said: This is kind of what I’ve been thinking too. I do think a trust circle makes sense, it would be great to have some people (especially more advanced players) who can all freely share information and reads and whatever, as well as strategizing with no risk of the elims catching onto that strategy and somehow thwarting it using that information. The main problem I see with this (which you just pointed out) is that those players won’t know until next loop if they can all be trusted, and with the way pms work there’s not really a good way to continue communicating unless they’re all in the dead doc again. We have been discussing a code but even if a decent code could be developed, we again wouldn’t know if the players who know it can be trusted until the next loop. They could develop a code and then find out there’s an elim who knows it, which would just ruin the whole purpose. The captains hat is another interesting point there, I think we have to assume the dead doc is never secure. I’m not sure how many people had enough to potentially buy it, I’m not quite done with my rupee tallies since I’ve been busy all day but I’ll get back to you on that soon if anyone thinks that may be useful information. I don’t think many people got to 20 in time, but I could be wrong. Some of those people could also have bought blues and therefore didn’t actually have the funds for a red. Okay so that was a lot of analyzing about the dead doc (and some repetition of what others have been saying, it just helps my brain to see it all in one place and hopefully that’s helpful for others too). Sorry about that, I have a tendency toward over analysis of very small things. I guess that’s probably a good thing for this game though. So. My thoughts on current strategy. I feel like we should be trying to exe an elim at least for this day. Depending on how they react to whoever we exe, we can decide what to do for D3 but I don’t think we should be counting on the dead doc as a safe place to discuss strategy or a place to put our best players so they can be cleared, because ultimately we don’t know if they will be cleared or not, and won’t until next loop. So my vote for today at least is to actually try to get an elim out. Which I think most people seem to be agreeing on? Just wanted to put my opinion on the matter out there. Sorry I’m a little late to this particular train, like I said earlier I’ve been pretty busy today. Thats actually a pretty interesting angle. You’re saying we shouldn’t be looking for complete lack of participation but instead people who have been doing the bare minimum in terms of participation? I do agree it’s a bit odd that Ashbringer both has barely said anything but also hasn’t offered any justification for why. At least the other two have said they’re busy and will try to catch up soon. (Or at least TJ has. I feel like Honor has too but I might be imagining that) That would be pretty annoying. Anyways hopefully what I said above is sort of what you were thinking? ————————— As hostile creatures begin pouring out of the canopy above, Amora unsheathes the sword she grabbed off a dead Clock Ward back in the town (this totally happened, I’m not just making it up for plot purposes right now, nooo) and moves to defend the small group she has found herself with, making sure the injured man, the Deku child, and the others who looked too injured or too in shock to fight are safely in the middle. “We need to form a line!” She calls out to the others who look like they may be able to fight. “Defend the ones who can’t fight, make sure nothing gets through to them!” With that, she steps boldly outward, slashing at an approaching Peahat and taking up a position next to Squircle, defending him from the side and trusting him to protect her as well. She hasn’t fought like this in years, but in the heat of combat muscle memory comes rushing back. She knows how to hold a line. So hold it she shall. Squircle was suprised at the resilience this human was showing. He was always one who advocated for not-looking down on humans, but he... he still thought less of them. Maybe that should change. Squircle turned his back to Amora, and fought with her, being trusted and trusting at the same time.
Archer he/him Posted February 23 Posted February 23 16 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said: I am going to assume Derp is good! Aye, it's villagey. We occasionally do cultural exchanges with Mafia Universe. Their players give us terms like derp, we give them a yearly sacrifice (good luck, TJ!). Burnt did the exact thing I did: try and come up with some suspects and somehow come away thinking most everyone is village. Araris 1
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 23 Author Posted February 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, Burnt Spaghetti said: Also some more questions for @Amanuensis: - do the letters of the executed person get sent out still? - I presume if the postman is executed the mail doesnt get sent out? Do we get refunded? Would it just be sent at a later date when postman reopens shop? - Does sending a message to someone count as targeting them? So, yeah. The Postman is technically delivering the letters, so if someone gives me a letter before they are executed, it will still be sent. However if the Postman is executed no letters are sent. Since all Masks break upon the holder's death, they'd be lost permanently. Rupees too would not be refunded, as they'd break upon the Postman's death. Regarding targeting, if you send a letter, you are technically targeting the Postman (i.e. no real effect), and then the Postman targets every player they deliver letters too. Edited February 23 by Amanuensis 2
Myst He/Him Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) @Archer are we sliding 1 and 2 off to the side for now? Or today? And which one? I’m for sliding 1, but maybe not 2. Also, agreed on 3 Edit for clarification. I’m sliding 1 today, and as for 2, should we today? Edited February 23 by Mistfallen Soldier
Haelbarde he/him Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Hey all, I spent very little time not out or getting poor quality sleeping this last weekend, so now that I'm home from classes just getting caught up with this cycle now. I've read everything, but not studied anything, so analysis is going to have wait a little longer. But have some RP while you wait. ~ The night, and much of the following day had been a blur. Though some effort had gone into saving those trapped in the fires, swiftly the work had changed to a full evacuation through the southern gate. Still in shock, he found himself marching on the perimeter of a convoy traveling to seek refuge in the Deku swamps. Then the Skulltulas arrived in a flood. He fell to the ground, crushing a few more by accident than any particular attention, as he curled up into a boulder. When would it stop... 1
Myst He/Him Posted February 23 Posted February 23 6 minutes ago, Haelbarde said: Hey all, I spent very little time not out or getting poor quality sleeping this last weekend, so now that I'm home from classes just getting caught up with this cycle now. I've read everything, but not studied anything, so analysis is going to have wait a little longer. But have some RP while you wait. ~ The night, and much of the following day had been a blur. Though some effort had gone into saving those trapped in the fires, swiftly the work had changed to a full evacuation through the southern gate. Still in shock, he found himself marching on the perimeter of a convoy traveling to seek refuge in the Deku swamps. Then the Skulltulas arrived in a flood. He fell to the ground, crushing a few more by accident than any particular attention, as he curled up into a boulder. When would it stop... I’ll post so you can post it when you have it, plus I need some RP anyways. Kieran made it just in time, bursting into the clearing where the people had stopped. Quickly appraising the situation, his sword darted out to attack the creatures. This past day had been a nightmare, first explosions on a celebration and now getting attacked by monsters? Kieran had to duck, a claw swiping above him, cutting his hair that failed to keep up. ”I wasn’t ready for a haircut yet” he growled, spearing the creature. He then ran to find others, not everyone would have a weapon after all.
coco.pudding she/they Posted February 23 Posted February 23 So I was gonna post this like 2 hours ago and then my iPad died midway through writing it oops- Okay so we’re about halfway through the day and it seems like votes are kinda all over the place rn so I figured I could do a quick vote count: Wonko (3): Mistfallen, Araris, Divergent Archer (3): Wonko, Coder, Hoid Ashbringer (1): Wahr2 Araris (1): Archer4 Okay, so it’s a little less all over the place than I thought, actually. Looks like Archer and Wonko are (predictably) in the lead, and most of the people voting them seem to be voting them more out of sus than out of “good in dead doc” which aligns with the strategy we talked about earlier for this loop of trying for an actual elim d2 and seeing what happens to determine d3. K, that was the old post everything after this is new. I’m a little confused what Mistfallen and Archer are talking about, but I’m going to assume they’re not meaning for other people to know. Is that accurate? Or am I just missing something? 1 hour ago, Archer said: Aye, it's villagey. We occasionally do cultural exchanges with Mafia Universe. Their players give us terms like derp, we give them a yearly sacrifice (good luck, TJ!). Burnt did the exact thing I did: try and come up with some suspects and somehow come away thinking most everyone is village. Araris I’m curious why you voted Araris here? I’m having a very similar situation. I’m getting mostly village and some sort of neutral reads from everyone. My strongest village reads right now would probably be Mistfallen, Divergent, maybe Wahr, maybe Wonko. Archer I’m a bit more on the fence about but still leaning village. Most of the others I’m either neutral on or struggling to tell since they’ve been fairly inactive. That inactive category is currently including TUO, TJ, Honor’s Ghost, and kind of Hael (yeah I know you just posted but still). Also kinda of Hoid since while they have been posting a little none of it has been particularly informative. ———————— Amora sees Kieran enter the clearing, spear in hand, and calls out “Come over here and help us! We’re trying to form a defensive perimeter!” She continues slashing at the creatures, keeping them away from the helpless people behind her and guarding Squircle’s blind spots. But there are so many, and for each body that piles up two more appear. She glances frantically around for anyone else who may be able to help, or for more sheltered place they could flee to.
CoderDrag0n8 He/They Posted February 23 Posted February 23 5 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: So I was gonna post this like 2 hours ago and then my iPad died midway through writing it oops- Okay so we’re about halfway through the day and it seems like votes are kinda all over the place rn so I figured I could do a quick vote count: Wonko (3): Mistfallen, Araris, Divergent Archer (3): Wonko, Coder, Hoid Ashbringer (1): Wahr2 Araris (1): Archer4 Okay, so it’s a little less all over the place than I thought, actually. Looks like Archer and Wonko are (predictably) in the lead, and most of the people voting them seem to be voting them more out of sus than out of “good in dead doc” which aligns with the strategy we talked about earlier for this loop of trying for an actual elim d2 and seeing what happens to determine d3. K, that was the old post everything after this is new. I’m a little confused what Mistfallen and Archer are talking about, but I’m going to assume they’re not meaning for other people to know. Is that accurate? Or am I just missing something? I’m curious why you voted Araris here? I’m having a very similar situation. I’m getting mostly village and some sort of neutral reads from everyone. My strongest village reads right now would probably be Mistfallen, Divergent, maybe Wahr, maybe Wonko. Archer I’m a bit more on the fence about but still leaning village. Most of the others I’m either neutral on or struggling to tell since they’ve been fairly inactive. That inactive category is currently including TUO, TJ, Honor’s Ghost, and kind of Hael (yeah I know you just posted but still). Also kinda of Hoid since while they have been posting a little none of it has been particularly informative. ———————— Amora sees Kieran enter the clearing, spear in hand, and calls out “Come over here and help us! We’re trying to form a defensive perimeter!” She continues slashing at the creatures, keeping them away from the helpless people behind her and guarding Squircle’s blind spots. But there are so many, and for each body that piles up two more appear. She glances frantically around for anyone else who may be able to help, or for more sheltered place they could flee to. Squircle fights as hard as he can, but he slowly realizes just how resilient humans are. Humans can just... fight for hours like this? Squircle slowly gained a newfound respect for humankind. He fought as hard as he could, but the wave was neverending. When will this end? Only time will tell.
Myst He/Him Posted February 23 Posted February 23 6 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: I’m a little confused what Mistfallen and Archer are talking about, but I’m going to assume they’re not meaning for other people to know. Is that accurate? Or am I just missing something? ———————— Amora sees Kieran enter the clearing, spear in hand, and calls out “Come over here and help us! We’re trying to form a defensive perimeter!” She continues slashing at the creatures, keeping them away from the helpless people behind her and guarding Squircle’s blind spots. But there are so many, and for each body that piles up two more appear. She glances frantically around for anyone else who may be able to help, or for more sheltered place they could flee to. You’re supposed to be. Though since we’re coming up with it on the spot, I suppose we might be as well. ——- Kieran looked over at the source of the shout. Running over them, he quickly subs into the perimeter. “Is this everyone? And where did these creatures come from?” He was distracted as he stabbed another creature in front of of him. “Ugh.. it’s endless”
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