Divergent

There is no way the night kill gets skipped if I'm elim I'll be back in a couple hours to read and share thoughts

Tbh if Araris is elim, I just don't get why there would be no kill on two different nights

I think I'm okay with exe'ing Star from the soft defense made by Qian 2 would be wild tbh esp that it's been close to a month now since the game started

I checked and thought Qian only talked at the start of that cycle, so it might have been possible for him to be away and not submit by the end, but turns out he was also there at the end so yeah that's weird. I don't rlly see how it benefits them to not kill twice by now

so in a world where Star is elim, did they just not get changed from being Tineye? I'm confused with the no kills Cus like there's only Xino right who isn't active?

I'm here though idk if any others will be here, what are reasons to think that it's Star? I felt like Myst said something about Star being Tineye and how if they're elim it would make more sense for them to be turned into a Coinshot

Yeah, think I can agree with TJ's logic here about why it's Lettuce over Xino, I do think he would have used the Coinshot ability if he was meta elim Lettuce

Qian I think Xino makes the most sense if there's more elims after Qian? If we take into account that there wasn't a kill submitted and I don't think I've seen Xino post for like several cycles now

Agree with what TJ said, that I don't think there'd be 2 Pseudo GM elims because that gives them way too much power to manipulate the outcome of the bet, and while I still feel like Hoid is sus for their behavior during the prev meta cycle (with how they were moving regarding Verdance, it kinda feel testing reactions to see if it could be possible to stall their exe), I don't think it makes much sense either for them to turn TJ into a Tineye as elim coco Also, I was informed that Twin didn't perform any actions either, other than visiting Nalthis

My availability has just mostly been nights in my timezone tbh, and I changed my mind partly because of Araris' point about Mippo and partly because I wanted to advance the game and just hope my thought was right about the bet Hmm that makes sense, but how do we know that it was Coco that Verdance turned rather than Hoid? I hope it didn't start with 5... especially that this side of the game has conversions if they win the bet I was Spiked btw, idk if Twin performed any actions since I got a new PM when I subbed in (though I'm asking now if there were any) and I didn't perform any actions since idk if there was a benefit to using it when I started I talked about it yesterday too, but I don't think it can be Lettuce since they've only spoken like twice in the game, and I feel like the meta elims would have encouraged them to speak or they'd get replaced out by now for inactivity

Hmm Did you probe him on why he wanted to do that? I'd be down to do it, but also feeling nervous if we've made the wrong read and ending the game now would be the wrong move But I guess it'd be better to progress things now and hope for the best Mippo Lettuce Checked it and yeah, can see what you're getting at there, though idk if I'd put too much stock into Mippo being v in the metagame for that, since it's weird that Verdance would fumble a fake claim immediately after they were already put on the spotlight for their reaction in Pseudo 2

That gambit situation and Verdance's reaction somewhat reminds me of Meerkat / Worldhopper not being very prepared during the AG when the massclaims happened, so I think it's possible they didn't do any consulting in the elim doc and reacted on their own, which might suggest they weren't / aren't very coordinated That said, I agree with most of what you've said here. I think it's not a great look for Mippo more than Kit_Kat since he was there before you made the claim and then just kept posting while ignoring it. I think Hoid's vote is worse since he immediately voted Verdance as compared to Coco, who had a similar reaction to Myst. Also, idk, I feel that if Lettuce were meta elim, they would have been prodded more or been subbed out at this point because they've not posted in so many cycles. Could see a possible world of it being Xino or Star though, they're vaguely around to be playing the game, while not being very contributive Mippo Could you tell more on what he was saying in PMs that had him on your watchlist?

So Striker lied too about the "scan" being correct and he's a different role?

Oh okay yeah, I think I did see that, in Pseudo 3? And yeah, he was moving weird with Araris too even though he supposedly had said he got a village result So, is Striker Newbie or not? I'm reading the roles rn and idk if I understand the role correctly, but it says that he loses his life on the fourth cycle and it hasn't happened Verdance I do agree with the part about needing new analysis, I feel like the game's been sorta stagnant the past couple cycles and elims are likely slipping by just not really doing much But I've also been procrastinating working on reading the rest of the metagame aaa I have started though and I'm mid c1, so I might get that done by the end of this cycle x.x

Hmm I remember reading about this in pseudocycle 2 and thinking his reaction was off. What was the scan roll and when did it happen?

Why is Verdance being voted? And what does being killed by the Shades mean?

Yeah it feels weird in that 5 out of 6 of the revealed roles in the pseudogame are coinshots and yet the death count has followed a standard of 1 death per night. Is it correct that not all of those people were originally coinshots? If so, it could be that they're aiming for an elim win Hmm do you have other reasons to trust Striker beyond him voting for dead people? I was thinking we could keep votes on him and then let him save himself and exe Kit Kat via investiture to reduce both of their potential impact to the meta game

Ahh I see that makes sense, do you still think a mole exists or not anymore? Why do you think that the meta elims voted for an elim victory? And I kinda thought that the current game state was like, that we're not going for either an elim or village victory rn, but rather prolonging the pseudogame to give us leeway for the meta game, is that not what people are doing? I would be willing to consider voting the known elim though But also don't feel very certain that the meta elims bet on a pseudo elim win, so feeling hesitant about sending one out, if that would mean there's only potentially 1 or 2 left after an exe I'm seeing you're voting Kit_Kat, I could be convinced to vote there, but I need to know the reasons why

Why did you want to try to save Myst again? I saw it play out, but it wasn't very clear to me why

Hmm, yeah I'll get to reading the metathread cycles again Hmm interesting I see, heard. Personally, I still disagree lol I don't really see why one of the two games has to be devalued just because there's an aspect that interacts with the other game's outcome Then again, I don't have full context since I haven't yet read the other side of the game So, is basically the game plan to hunt for meta elims now? Oh I see, do we know who that person is who got roleblocked? Makes sense, I was wondering about the spreadsheet voting because it looked outdated from when I watched it

Caught up and only had the energy rn to read the Pseudocycles. I'll hopefully have the time to get to reading the Metacycles tomorrow After reading the previous Pseudocycles, I came out of it feeling really confused?? Is it the general sentiment that people are indifferent about meeting their wincon in the Pseudogame? Because I'm confused why Hoid claimed Pseudo Elim in C2 and then TJ outed himself later that cycle. Mist also fakeclaimed Lurcher as Village and reading C3, it feels more that people care about Metagame outcomes Also, I felt like social reads were kinda sparse outside of the people who were being considered for exe and I'm confused if that's just how it has been in this game, or if those are in the Metacycle threads or if those have been just discussed in PMs (are PMs open?) Anyways, thoughts on the other 11 players alive: 1. Star - Pops in two different cycles to just say that they don't have anything to contribute. My initial read of it was that it feels suspect, but I agreed with Araris saying that an elim would be more likely to give something more inspiring than that. Also inclined to townlean them based on Striker placing sus on them as I think Striker's elim (more below) 2. Striker - I agree with Mippo saying in C2 that the buildup on Myst was weird and quick, and feel inclined to believe that at least one of the three who hopped on that vote is elim (Araris, Striker, Qian). I feel most suspicious of him among the three and he also made a post suggesting a Hoid/Myst pairing while voting Myst, which feels like behavior that is typical from elims, in that they'd make V/E pairings to distance with their teammates while voting for the V in that pair, so then they could move off that sus once the V flips. Also didn't like him saying in C1 that there hasn't been much actual vote discussion and at the same time, not really offering any thoughts on his end either. Other than that, I think my reservation with this scumread is that it's weird that Striker has now voted twice for dead villagers (Verdance in C3 and Coco in C4), and it makes me uncertain if he is elim as why would he not be aware that they're dead (since they were killed, I guess maybe if they've been killed by a V!Coinshot?? Wondering though if there's still more considering many have flipped already). Scumread 3. Qian - I felt suspicious of him from the way that he was piggybacking off of Araris' Myst vote, which changed because Hoid made the same observation and he is elim lol. I feel like Qian is spewed town from Hoid angling to vote him and the position he's taken towards him at least from C2 where he was like, Araris and Striker have justified reasoning for voting Myst. Townlean 4. Hopper - He was one of two people who pushbacked on Hoid suggesting to treat the Pseudogame as a regular game, which I felt was an unpairing interaction 5. CadCom - Tbh, I kinda glossed over the longer posts. There was a post in C2 that I skimmed where I felt like it had too many words that I feel like could have been more concise for what it was saying. Idk if that's just typical behavior to expect from him. Feeling inclined to townread though based on his behavior which reads more as being pro-town 6. Mippo - The other person to push back against Hoid's plan to play this as a regular game in C1, which I felt was unpartnering. Outside of that, I have liked some of his content such as pointing out the fast wagon on Myst in C2. Townread 7. Araris - His C1 felt kinda eh, but C2 forward, he's made pushes that have tried to progress the village wincon and in general, his behavior has been quite townie. Wish I noted it down though cus I can't elaborate on it more rn, but townreading him 8. TJ - His C1 also left much to be desired, it didn't feel very town!TJ because he didn't really try to do any solving outside of mech discussion, which I felt is what I'd expect more from t!TJ. C2 he stepped up and I thought the way he approached for voting Myst was towny in the way that it felt he believed in the push and not just walking it as an easy misexe for that cycle... but then he outed himself as elim?? So like huh... 9. Kit_Kat - I've seen posts from them, but honestly they were very sparse and I don't remember any of them 10. Lettuce - I don't remember that they posted, like, at all?? Do they exist only in the Metagame. Myst said that the slot is elim, so can someone tell if that's speculation or a fact? 11. Miss Fallen - I also don't remember that they ever posted Current reads as they stand Townreads - Mippo, Araris, CadCom Townleans - Qian, Star, Hopper Null - Kit_Kat Scumleans - Fallen, Lettuce Scumreads - TJ, Striker Striker Also, do we know why only Xino was killed on C1? And not anyone else? Finding it odd no one died when Xino was a Coinshot and there wasn't a factional either I also don't get the voting thing, I saw a link to the spreadsheet on the Pseudocycle 1 and dunno if that's still the one we're using or there's a different one per cycle

Still midway through Pseudocycle Two and I nearly confused a Striker post from a Cadcom post... that neon green in their pfps are so similar

Do we know all of this for sure or is this / some of this speculation? Appreciate this, will look over this again once I've read the previous days

Hiii Was thinking of getting caught up with the game before I would be subbing in, but time got away from me I'm about to head to sleep shortly, will catch up when I wake up, but would also like to know what's been going on so far from everyone else's POV

Pinch hitter for now as I'm not sure whether I'll be free when the 26th comes Also, is it correct that it's basically two different games where the set of elims is different for each game (although some people might get randed as elim in both)? I'm also unsure what the betting mechanic is about