Divergent

Ohhh I see, that first miss is funny

Hehe soz Hoid Congrats to the elims!! and what even happened for there to be 2 missed kills lol

Sure yes Ohh and yeah I do not see why the elims would have withheld their conversion for that long either And yup, if I were elim with Xino, I could have won last cycle instead of trying to get to an F3 I think it is just Hoid Slayer. I do not see it much of a possibility either for Araris to go after Xino when the game is that close to being in his hands

It not me Why it's not me 1. Although I haven't been very active, I have been able to post AND vote every single cycle that I was alive. I would not have missed a kill nor would I have reason to benefit from doing that 2. I do not think the elims benefit from recruiting me. Outside of the first two or three cycles, I haven't been active enough to exert any influence over the votes and have mostly been listening to what others proposed should be the correct vote. They would much rather recruit someone who has more sway 3. I did try to make an effort to get the meta elims out post Pseudo Cycle? Here is me saying we should vote Xino four cycles ago Here is me trying to reconsider that Star might not be the right vote Although unsuccessful, I have been trying to help out with finding the meta elims It is between the two of you and I'm unsure not which it is. Hoid I could see since he seems like he could be closer to the people in the elim group? Especially that he started off as a pseudo elim as well. Araris I could also see since he has had a lot of sway over the votes and had a lot of trust built from getting out elims before the convert would happen Also Hoid, yes I was not able to read what you said, but I was already leaning voting Xino regardless since I was on that train of thought several cycles ago and by process of elimination, once we've kept axing everyone in the pseudo elim group, it made even more sense for it to be Xino I am okay with shortening it to 24 hrs, but since idk if either of you will be back tonight, might be better to make it 36 hrs instead, so I can have time to hear out both of you and give time for Hoid /Araris to respond to my post

Some cycles ago it was confirmed that a convert can occur alongside a kill. It doesn't replace it Xino I'll think more about it in a couple hours, but I'm okay with voting Xino here Xino, Kit Kat possibly? Both have been fairly inactive though hmmm the kill makes me question why it gets submitted sometimes and then sometimes not

There is no way the night kill gets skipped if I'm elim I'll be back in a couple hours to read and share thoughts

Tbh if Araris is elim, I just don't get why there would be no kill on two different nights

I think I'm okay with exe'ing Star from the soft defense made by Qian 2 would be wild tbh esp that it's been close to a month now since the game started

I checked and thought Qian only talked at the start of that cycle, so it might have been possible for him to be away and not submit by the end, but turns out he was also there at the end so yeah that's weird. I don't rlly see how it benefits them to not kill twice by now

so in a world where Star is elim, did they just not get changed from being Tineye? I'm confused with the no kills Cus like there's only Xino right who isn't active?

I'm here though idk if any others will be here, what are reasons to think that it's Star? I felt like Myst said something about Star being Tineye and how if they're elim it would make more sense for them to be turned into a Coinshot

Yeah, think I can agree with TJ's logic here about why it's Lettuce over Xino, I do think he would have used the Coinshot ability if he was meta elim Lettuce

Qian I think Xino makes the most sense if there's more elims after Qian? If we take into account that there wasn't a kill submitted and I don't think I've seen Xino post for like several cycles now

Agree with what TJ said, that I don't think there'd be 2 Pseudo GM elims because that gives them way too much power to manipulate the outcome of the bet, and while I still feel like Hoid is sus for their behavior during the prev meta cycle (with how they were moving regarding Verdance, it kinda feel testing reactions to see if it could be possible to stall their exe), I don't think it makes much sense either for them to turn TJ into a Tineye as elim coco Also, I was informed that Twin didn't perform any actions either, other than visiting Nalthis

My availability has just mostly been nights in my timezone tbh, and I changed my mind partly because of Araris' point about Mippo and partly because I wanted to advance the game and just hope my thought was right about the bet Hmm that makes sense, but how do we know that it was Coco that Verdance turned rather than Hoid? I hope it didn't start with 5... especially that this side of the game has conversions if they win the bet I was Spiked btw, idk if Twin performed any actions since I got a new PM when I subbed in (though I'm asking now if there were any) and I didn't perform any actions since idk if there was a benefit to using it when I started I talked about it yesterday too, but I don't think it can be Lettuce since they've only spoken like twice in the game, and I feel like the meta elims would have encouraged them to speak or they'd get replaced out by now for inactivity

Hmm Did you probe him on why he wanted to do that? I'd be down to do it, but also feeling nervous if we've made the wrong read and ending the game now would be the wrong move But I guess it'd be better to progress things now and hope for the best Mippo Lettuce Checked it and yeah, can see what you're getting at there, though idk if I'd put too much stock into Mippo being v in the metagame for that, since it's weird that Verdance would fumble a fake claim immediately after they were already put on the spotlight for their reaction in Pseudo 2

That gambit situation and Verdance's reaction somewhat reminds me of Meerkat / Worldhopper not being very prepared during the AG when the massclaims happened, so I think it's possible they didn't do any consulting in the elim doc and reacted on their own, which might suggest they weren't / aren't very coordinated That said, I agree with most of what you've said here. I think it's not a great look for Mippo more than Kit_Kat since he was there before you made the claim and then just kept posting while ignoring it. I think Hoid's vote is worse since he immediately voted Verdance as compared to Coco, who had a similar reaction to Myst. Also, idk, I feel that if Lettuce were meta elim, they would have been prodded more or been subbed out at this point because they've not posted in so many cycles. Could see a possible world of it being Xino or Star though, they're vaguely around to be playing the game, while not being very contributive Mippo Could you tell more on what he was saying in PMs that had him on your watchlist?

So Striker lied too about the "scan" being correct and he's a different role?

Oh okay yeah, I think I did see that, in Pseudo 3? And yeah, he was moving weird with Araris too even though he supposedly had said he got a village result So, is Striker Newbie or not? I'm reading the roles rn and idk if I understand the role correctly, but it says that he loses his life on the fourth cycle and it hasn't happened Verdance I do agree with the part about needing new analysis, I feel like the game's been sorta stagnant the past couple cycles and elims are likely slipping by just not really doing much But I've also been procrastinating working on reading the rest of the metagame aaa I have started though and I'm mid c1, so I might get that done by the end of this cycle x.x

Hmm I remember reading about this in pseudocycle 2 and thinking his reaction was off. What was the scan roll and when did it happen?

Why is Verdance being voted? And what does being killed by the Shades mean?

Yeah it feels weird in that 5 out of 6 of the revealed roles in the pseudogame are coinshots and yet the death count has followed a standard of 1 death per night. Is it correct that not all of those people were originally coinshots? If so, it could be that they're aiming for an elim win Hmm do you have other reasons to trust Striker beyond him voting for dead people? I was thinking we could keep votes on him and then let him save himself and exe Kit Kat via investiture to reduce both of their potential impact to the meta game

Ahh I see that makes sense, do you still think a mole exists or not anymore? Why do you think that the meta elims voted for an elim victory? And I kinda thought that the current game state was like, that we're not going for either an elim or village victory rn, but rather prolonging the pseudogame to give us leeway for the meta game, is that not what people are doing? I would be willing to consider voting the known elim though But also don't feel very certain that the meta elims bet on a pseudo elim win, so feeling hesitant about sending one out, if that would mean there's only potentially 1 or 2 left after an exe I'm seeing you're voting Kit_Kat, I could be convinced to vote there, but I need to know the reasons why

Why did you want to try to save Myst again? I saw it play out, but it wasn't very clear to me why

Hmm, yeah I'll get to reading the metathread cycles again Hmm interesting I see, heard. Personally, I still disagree lol I don't really see why one of the two games has to be devalued just because there's an aspect that interacts with the other game's outcome Then again, I don't have full context since I haven't yet read the other side of the game So, is basically the game plan to hunt for meta elims now? Oh I see, do we know who that person is who got roleblocked? Makes sense, I was wondering about the spreadsheet voting because it looked outdated from when I watched it