Mid-Range Game 62: In The Shadow of Ash

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

The biggest thing I don't understand is why you think I would be getting scanned so often, when I'm pretty much guaranteed to not be the Inquisitor, and it is most likely that I won't have been converted when I get scanned. It feels like you think an improbability is a certainty. Oh, TKN, Kas, since I'd like to pursue this matter further.

[Mat he/him]

I don’t think this is evil Kas. Idk why he would push against this so hard if evil and he actually makes some pretty good points about it.

[Kasimir he/him]

1 hour ago, The Known Novel said:

It feels like you think an improbability is a certainty.

Odd, isn't it? 

1 hour ago, The Known Novel said:

The biggest thing I don't understand is why you think I would be getting scanned so often, when I'm pretty much guaranteed to not be the Inquisitor, and it is most likely that I won't have been converted when I get scanned.

I don't

Shifting my vote to Xino. I'd like a more solid V!Fifth indicator and right now feel neutral on him, but I'm also of the faith that I will be able to read V!Fifth if he appears.

Current thoughts:

-Neutral on TKN, maybe light V, but possibly coloured by irritation at his tone. I don't care at this point as I believe that I will be able to read TKN by C3, so pass.
-Probably policy V on Aman at this stage but acknowledge it is a risk.
-V lean on TJ. Doesn't feel consistent with his E!meta.
-V lean on Stick. Maybe a bit more confident in that I still think this pattern of engagement doesn't really show up when Evil, I'll feel more confident about it when I see more.
- /shrug on Mat.
- /shrug on Ash - doesn't feel like V!Ash so far, but.
-Prefer to focus on IDing Inquisitor candidates as I think it's easier to see the Inquisitor play profile (disengaged, avoiding direct attention, between low activity to low activity Toucan sweetspot +-), so Xino it is.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

26 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I don’t think this is evil Kas. Idk why he would push against this so hard if evil and he actually makes some pretty good points about it.

I honestly don't think this is very likely evil Kas either, but his engagement is just low enough for me not to discount it, and he feels in equal measures contrived and contradictory, which is pinging all sorts of things in my brain.

[Mat he/him]

5 minutes ago, The Known Novel said:

I honestly don't think this is very likely evil Kas either, but his engagement is just low enough for me not to discount it, and he feels in equal measures contrived and contradictory, which is pinging all sorts of things in my brain.

So… you don’t think it’s evil Kas, but you’re voting him because it might be?

[Kasimir he/him]

3 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

So… you don’t think it’s evil Kas, but you’re voting him because it might be?

Funny thing is I sort of like it because it's at least a bit more solvey early on than I tend to see from E!TKN.

[Ashbringer he/him]

Ash is busy today 

Also trying not to tunnel on TKN again. It does feel like a villagey gambit, but idk how strong of one. (Also, TKN.)

[|TJ| he/him]

6 hours ago, Fifth Scholar said:

2. I was helping TKN with his claimed role?  Like, it was pretty explicit that that was what was going on. Now that he has his eight per Striker, I’ll gladly go for someone else though. The retaliatory vote against me from Mat plus the random vote from Kas start a wagon with literally nothing of substance behind it, and I see him as the instigator there anyway. 

ngl I forgot about your earlier TKN vote, my bad xD

6 hours ago, Fifth Scholar said:

You vote for every suspicion you have? And suspect every person who doesn’t do this? Interesting. I suppose you’ll help me vote out Kas then for pushing against TKN without voting him (especially when he particularly requested to be voted). 

as I said, I forgot you voted for TKN. Seemed weird that you had suspicions and you did not vote for them. Especially since in D1, we vote as soon as we have a suspect to kick-start different tangents of discussion. 

I think I'm starting to feel better about Mat btw. I actually liked that he explained his poke vote :P. 

Aman is also in that Toucan soft-spot for me. 

[Stick. she/her]

6 hours ago, xinoehp512 said:

The Known Novel (8): Araris Valerian, The Known Novel, _Stick_, |TJ|, Ashbringer, Amanuensis

Fifth Scholar (3): Kasimir, Matrim’s Dice, xinoehp512

Matrim’s Dice (1): Channelknight Fadran

TKN I think is probably village.

Fifth Scholar.

I think about this post a lot sometimes:

I think you can substitute ‘RP’ with ‘Vote’, but also I don’t really agree with it cuz it seems more NAI than a village tell, but it’s interesting nonetheless which is why I often think of it whenever Xino posts xD

I will now vote Ash for the third time. I agree that he doesn’t seem to be in his village meta atm but that might just be bc it’s D1. (I don’t know how to explain it but v!Ash is just more…solve-y. Like, he tends to step in regularly with useful contributions even if they’re just one-liners.) Good enough reason to slap a vote on though. 

[Ashbringer he/him]

There's not a ton to say about Tyrian rules-wise, and the Augur/Oracle are relatively self explanatory but not particularly helpful. That and the LG is still eating up a good bit of my brainpower. Along with college.

One-liner of the day: Oracles can presumably RB the Elim kill, however that doesn't tell us much because the Oracle doesn't know who attacked them. Presumably.

[Stick. she/her]

1 hour ago, Ashbringer said:

There's not a ton to say about Tyrian rules-wise, and the Augur/Oracle are relatively self explanatory but not particularly helpful. That and the LG is still eating up a good bit of my brainpower. Along with college.

One-liner of the day: Oracles can presumably RB the Elim kill, however that doesn't tell us much because the Oracle doesn't know who attacked them. Presumably.

You’ve notably left out Seers, which I think is a reasonably powerful role ;eyes; 

How is the Augur role not helpful? If a lurched player gets attacked by the elims and finds out who targeted them, that’s pretty helpful. 

[Ashbringer he/him]

2 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

You’ve notably left out Seers, which I think is a reasonably powerful role ;eyes; 

How is the Augur role not helpful? If a lurched player gets attacked by the elims and finds out who targeted them, that’s pretty helpful. 

Seer is potent, but imo we're probably better letting the Elims wonder who is a Seer and who's not.

See, the Augur finds out one player who targeted them. Could be the Elim trying to kill them... or the Lurcher trying to save them, or Tim the Tineye caught in the crossfire. The only way they know 100% that it was the Elim is if they die, or there's Seeker backup, or they're a Mistborn doing shenanigans. (And I doubt there's a V!Mistborn, honestly, so I'd rather not get into Mistborn shenanigans.)

[The Bookwyrm he/him]

12 hours ago, Biplet said:

I hate D1 every game ever because everyone always feels way smarter than me and gets reads and I can't find a damn sus thing about anyone.

Me too, friend, me too...

Okay.

I'm reading TKN as village, but no one else is standing out as very E! to me. I'm going to wait a little bit to see how things shake out before voting.

[StrikerEZ he/him]

@JNV @Biplet @Fifth Scholar @Araris Valerian @The Known Novel @Channelknight Fadran @_Stick_ @Kasimir@The Bookwyrm @xinoehp512 @|TJ| @Ashbringer @Amanuensis @Matrim's Dice Here is your 14 hour reminder to get your actions and votes in! As another reminder, there is an inactivity filter. If a player goes two consecutive Cycles without voting, they will be removed.

[Kasimir he/him]

8 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

That and the LG is still eating up a good bit of my brainpower. Along with college.

I agree with this statement and I'm one of the GMs...

6 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

See, the Augur finds out one player who targeted them. Could be the Elim trying to kill them... or the Lurcher trying to save them, or Tim the Tineye caught in the crossfire. The only way they know 100% that it was the Elim is if they die, or there's Seeker backup, or they're a Mistborn doing shenanigans. (And I doubt there's a V!Mistborn, honestly, so I'd rather not get into Mistborn shenanigans.)

Tbf it doesn't, but feels like it could come in handy during a late midgame to endgame claimsfest.

K, now I've submitted my report and actually have one and a half functioning braincells left for this game before I have to hit the next report tomorrow:

@xinoehp512: Curious about your joining the Fifth train, particularly over Mat or starting your own.

[Stick. she/her]

1 hour ago, The Bookwyrm said:

I'm reading TKN as village

Why are you village reading TKN?

[Araris Valerian he/him]

14 hours ago, Biplet said:

I hate D1 every game ever because everyone always feels way smarter than me and gets reads and I can't find a damn sus thing about anyone. TJ and Kas in the thunderdome is notable, TKN snap gambit is looking villagery

Operation: Pretend to be Competent has succeeded!

I can’t usually make D1 reads worth a rotten porch. But, killing is people is fun, and helps us win the game, so picking kinda at random and making something up is what I usually do. I’m currently enjoying obliging TKN’s request to be killed (since the whole point of votes is either to kill someone or threaten to kill them).

In regards to TKN specifically, I think in any world where that is a snapping condition, TKN would make the play he made. Regardless of alignment. I also think that is a legitimate condition to give to an eliminator; it draws a lot of attention and thus creates a significant risk/reward scenario. For a villager, the risk and reward are both a bit lower since any single village life/role is less impactful on the game compared to a single eliminator.

So from a fun/game design perspective, giving this snap condition to an elim fits pretty well.

[Kasimir he/him]

[OOC: Going to try to stick to my Tyrian Phoenix Wright schtick at least once a cycle. I believe Fifth is leading in the votes so I am now obligated to defend him. How awkward.]

Weard Leoht.

Konlan Tomasz shuffled his papers and tried not to scowl. Failed. He didn't like Leoht all that much; fact of the matter was, Konlan didn't like very many people at all. It was slightly awkward, since Konlan was personally of the opinion that Leoht could've done it, but Konlan dealt in facts and in putting the best face on things. Which was another layer of irony for you, since Konlan wasn't much of an optimist.

Even the worst of murderers deserved a day in court. Representation. It was the touchstone that Konlan lived by. It was about fairness. About justice.

It was probably why he had been exiled to Creston.

He hated Creston. It was a boring backwater, the canal waters were too loud, and he missed the noise and the bustle of Tremredare at night. But it didn't matter. Konlan did his duty. Always had.

It didn't matter that Konlan thought that Leoht could maybe have done it. Leoht had a silver tongue, but could have wasn't a bloodied knife, and really, Konlan saw both sides of the picture as far as Leoht was concerned. What mattered was that Feden was shuffling in his hand charges laid against Leoht, duly signed and Konlan was here to witness them, and to lay out Leoht's defense, as best as he could.

Lord Ruler, he still wondered sometimes if it was the right thing to do. They hated him, back in Tremredare, when the murderers walked. He told himself he was doing his job. That someone had to speak for the despised. That sometimes, he was right.

Even now, he knew his own bullcrap when he told himself it.

"I'm here to represent Weard Leoht," Konlan said, and Feden didn't really hide his groan.

"Can you just witness the statements and be done with it?" Feden grumbled.

Konlan folded his arms across his chest and gave Feden the stony stare that had cowed young obligators in training. Feden looked down and shuffled his statements and grumbled some more but let Konlan continue.

"The charges laid against Leoht are extremely grave. They accuse him of murder and conspiracy. Though technically, it is difficult to press charges of conspiracy against the suspect in this case—'Ruin has come' is a very vague statement and might indicate the killer was of unsound mind. Fortunately," Konlan smiled, but it didn't reach his eyes. "I have here a witnessed statement that Leoht is in his right mind." He laid it on the table so Feden could see the signature.

"The heart of the matter is whether Leoht could have done such a deed. He certainly is appearing to attempt to find the killer now. At this premature stage of the investigations, I find it hard to believe that Leoht is particularly more suspicious than just about anyone else, perhaps barring Maidihn, Jandro, Stick, and Aman. Though I'll be honest, I'm probably just not very impartial where Aman is concerned." Right. That was a little less formal than he'd meant to be. "The report from the physician states that the victim was killed between five to six hours before discovery. Leoht claims he was otherwise engaged. No one backs up his alibi. However, no one backs up Xino's alibi either, for instance. There are simply too many unknowns at this stage."

As much as he still thought Leoht could've done it. Konlan would be the first to admit that he'd scoured the town and as it turned out, nearly half of Creston could have done the deed.

[OOC: Look I tried okay. It seemed more fun when I first thought of it...]

[The Bookwyrm he/him]

44 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Why are you village reading TKN?

His actions just seem authentic, and I don't think an elim would draw so much attention to themselves.

Also partially a gut read.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

5 minutes ago, The Bookwyrm said:

His actions just seem authentic, and I don't think an elim would draw so much attention to themselves.

If you were one of 2 elims and you needed to get 7 votes to unlock your role, you would just sit and do nothing?

[Kasimir he/him]

6 minutes ago, The Bookwyrm said:

His actions just seem authentic, and I don't think an elim would draw so much attention to themselves.

Also partially a gut read.

Bookwyrm.

Why not?

[Amanuensis he/him]

Fadran

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

53 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

If you were one of 2 elims and you needed to get 7 votes to unlock your role, you would just sit and do nothing?

Uh, probably. A vanilla elim is more useful than a vanilla villager, since they can put in the kills. If anything, revealing my role like this is just condemning my teammates to choosing the kill over potentially better actions since I will always be accountable. 

[Mat he/him]

I completely buy that^ tbh

[Amanuensis he/him]

Will protect TKN tonight. If there’s a second Lurcher, I’d appreciate the support o7