Kasimir he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 Just now, |TJ| said: I'm not sure I get this correctly, you're asking why wouldn't he lie to us about his role if he snaps? Well, now that he's revealed his snapping point, we would know if he's achieved it. And subsequently, there are multitudes of scans. In the end, we can hold him accountable for his actions each cycle. Like it'd be suspicious if he's seen visiting the NK target if he claimed a role like Rioter. I think my point is just: why is the snapping so special? Why does he have to claim his role if he Snaps? Arguably if he gains Seeker or Lurcher or Mistborn, he shouldn't claim since that just paints a big target on his head. I'm not taking this to be particularly AI but I'm not seeing why this should be the case.
|TJ| he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 Hold on, first off all, @StrikerEZ - is it possible for the Spiked to have Unsnapped in their team? Asking because it doesn't fit thematically. 7 minutes ago, Kasimir said: I think my point is just: why is the snapping so special? Why does he have to claim his role if he Snaps? Arguably if he gains Seeker or Lurcher or Mistborn, he shouldn't claim since that just paints a big target on his head. I'm not taking this to be particularly AI but I'm not seeing why this should be the case. Hmmm, I donno if he intends to or not. But just by making the statement, he's painting a target on his back and inviting all the scans on him. Hypothetically, if I had any kind of scan, he'd be a good target for me any time after that.
Kasimir he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, |TJ| said: Hmmm, I donno if he intends to or not. But just by making the statement, he's painting a target on his back and inviting all the scans on him. Hypothetically, if I had any kind of scan, he'd be a good target for me any time after that. Instead of Inquisitor hunting? Because Stick raised a good point that I agree with - odds of Inquisitor!TKN are insanely low, and that the Inquisitor is the one player the scans can find, and I don't recall any other scans that are outward-targeting. There's much to be said about ideal Inquisitor profile, FWIW, but I think that is a fair thing to think about. And since the Inquisitor is essentially findable (and Seekers can't find any other Elim that way, and taking down the Inquisitor means no convert...) I'll be fair: I'm not sure I strongly hold these positions but apparently I'm not just a legal advocate, fully licensed by the Steel Ministry, but I'm also a Devil's Advocate :eyes:
|TJ| he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Instead of Inquisitor hunting? Because Stick raised a good point that I agree with - odds of Inquisitor!TKN are insanely low, and that the Inquisitor is the one player the scans can find, and I don't recall any other scans that are outward-targeting. There's much to be said about ideal Inquisitor profile, FWIW, but I think that is a fair thing to think about. And since the Inquisitor is essentially findable (and Seekers can't find any other Elim that way, and taking down the Inquisitor means no convert...) I wasn't talking about alignments scans actually. Rather, target scans and role scans. And even non-specific target role like Augur can track his actions. My point is, simply, his actions are accountable/trackable. I'd rather not use alignment scan on him, yeah.
Kasimir he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, |TJ| said: I wasn't talking about alignments scans actually. Rather, target scans and role scans. And even non-specific target role like Augur can track his actions. My point is, simply, his actions are accountable/trackable. I'd rather not use alignment scan on him, yeah. BRO WHERE ARE THE TARGET AND ALIGNMENT SCANS IN THIS GAME. ARE WE PLAYING THE SAME GAME.
|TJ| he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 Just now, Kasimir said: BRO WHERE ARE THE TARGET AND ALIGNMENT SCANS IN THIS GAME. bro. brooo. i legit once checked before typing. Target Scan, though now I'm not so sure it is? @StrikerEZ - On 2/14/2023 at 9:03 AM, StrikerEZ said: Tineye: You can burn tin and enhance your senses by magnitudes, which is useful for watching to see who someone targets. As long as a Tineye is alive, PMs can be made between players. Alignment Scan - oh yeah my bad >> there's no alignment smh xD
Kasimir he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, |TJ| said: bro. brooo. i legit once checked before typing. Oh. RIP okay I missed that I could sort of see that then, yeah. Minimally it'd mean E!TKN can't be DK C1. Edited to add: 2 minutes ago, |TJ| said: Alignment Scan - oh yeah my bad >> there's no alignment smh xD Ngl low key want to V-read TJ for this. Feel E!TJ would be hyper aware of the alignment scan. Edited February 21, 2023 by Kasimir
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Kasimir said: TJ, Fifth Good to play with you again too. Is this just standard Kas procedure now? TKN. Happy to get this wagon to seven votes ASAP and let a Seeker, if one exists, sort him out at an indeterminate later point. I will say that his explanation of the snapping process feels…weird. 7 non-fatal votes are hard to come by without a claim. But if this helps discussion broaden a bit more for the rest of the cycle then I’m fine with knocking it out now.
Kasimir he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said: Good to play with you again too. Is this just standard Kas procedure now? Consider it a vote born of affection and a deep respect
Stick. she/her Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 Can we please get three more votes on TKN so that we can move on to the real stuff >:)
Araris Valerian he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 So, there’s nothing saying we have to unvote TKN once he hits 7, no?
|TJ| he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said: So, there’s nothing saying we have to unvote TKN once he hits 7, no? Ahahahaha xD It's been a while since I've witnessed Stab Vote (TM) by Araris. This is hilarious. xD
StrikerEZ he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Author Posted February 21, 2023 7 hours ago, |TJ| said: Hold on, first off all, @StrikerEZ - is it possible for the Spiked to have Unsnapped in their team? Asking because it doesn't fit thematically. 7 hours ago, Kasimir said: PAFO! Quote Target Scan, though now I'm not so sure it is? @StrikerEZ - Tineye is indeed also a target scan. Apologies if I missed any questions from pages 2 or 3–still making my way through the thread.
Stick. she/her Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 Jolly good show TKN Ash will die? Also how likely is it that all seven TKN voters are village?
Mat he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 I agree with the village read on TUN, though not for Stick's reason. I more agree with TJ, but will point out that TUN not needing the votes to stay for the whole turn makes this a much less risky play for e!TUN. In reality, this should be NAI, but I think I lean village anyway. Just now, _Stick_ said: Also how likely is it that all seven TKN voters are village? I think there were only six
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) I'm not really sure how this works but I was the 7th then? @The Known Novel did you just snap or does that happen later? Edited February 21, 2023 by Amanuensis
Stick. she/her Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 We had TKN(7): Mat, TKN, Stick, TJ, Fifth, Araris, Aman So yeah, he should snap probably by next cycle if he's being truthful.
Mat he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 Ok so I guess when you called for three more TKN votes you actually meant two more TKN votes Personally, I don't think he should claim what role he snapped into. If he's elim and already has a role, this was a pointless exercise, if he was truthful than great we probably have another role. Small chance we just gave the elims another role but personally I lean on the elims having no unsnapped because thematics. On whether all TKN voters are village, my vote was before TKN claimed and so is NAI, and I think the answer is 'probably not' but that would also be my answer if you gathered a pool of any seven random players so idk :P. TKN Why Ash?
|TJ| he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: On whether all TKN voters are village, my vote was before TKN claimed and so is NAI, and I think the answer is 'probably not' but that would also be my answer if you gathered a pool of any seven random players so idk :P. I'm actually suspicious of this vote lmao :P. I feel like that vote you... well voted is a very easy vote for an elim to make. I know you make random D1 votes all the time but I'm feeling something off with this vote at time. It's a gut read of your vote. Mat FIFTH! We're like the inverse of each other. We're always on the opposite teams, so this must mean you're evil this time :P.
Stick. she/her Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 31 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Ok so I guess when you called for three more TKN votes you actually meant two more TKN votes Yeah, my bad 31 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Personally, I don't think he should claim what role he snapped into. If he's elim and already has a role, this was a pointless exercise, if he was truthful than great we probably have another role. Small chance we just gave the elims another role but personally I lean on the elims having no unsnapped because thematics. The great thing is we have PMs, so he can claim to a select few of his choosing if he wants. 32 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Why Ash? Why not Ash?
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 9 hours ago, Kasimir said: It's early on in the game. I'm not sure I consider it particularly risky. In an E!TUN world with that Unsnapped condition, he's basically boned, and it is better to make that call early than to make it mid-game when it can't feasibly be done and he would be more easily be killed. I'd rather wait to see how he plays in subsequent cycles before making a judgement call. If you think I'm Evil, you're welcome to vote to C1 me. As long as I am alive, my job remains what it is: to ID what I think to be suspicious, and I don't agree with the degree of confidence you're ascribing to your reads this early. Edited to add: Like, where does this come from? Where is it more likely than for basically anyone? Kas, you're arguing both sides here when it comes to the likelihood of scans on me. I find your hesitance very odd, like, you of all people should understand getting a strong village read from a gambit (AG Tineye) or just having a strong v read in general d1. If you were anyone else and I didn't need my vote I'd be voting you right now. 8 hours ago, Kasimir said: I guess some of this boils down to my feel of the Tuatara case, which is sort of like Tuatara saying "I want to consider Croc indubitably not Spiked" except that was clearly deliberate and this just felt natural. I guess the fact I don't feel the judgement is a natural or obvious one also feeds into the fact I don't feel as positive about it here I also haven't played with you in a Long While apart from LG83/LG84 - I'd count Falcon as an edge case because I spent most of the game thinking Falcon was someone else and this did affect the way I read Falcon (keep in mind I was also huffing E!Falcon for a decent chunk of the game, including in the dead doc thanks to Devo's trolling...) Fair enough. I think the issue is I don't understand why he's locked in to being truthful about his role if he snaps. Why is this especially true? Because I'll be storming villager. 6 hours ago, Kasimir said: TJ, Fifth Really? Why do you so hate voting me? What is your reasoning for not voting me? 1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said: So, there’s nothing saying we have to unvote TKN once he hits 7, no? Well, if I die I don't snap, but otherwise, no. 33 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: Jolly good show TKN Ash will die? Also how likely is it that all seven TKN voters are village? No, wait, stop, I need more than seven votes, I need eight or more. 31 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: I'm not really sure how this works but I was the 7th then? @The Known Novel did you just snap or does that happen later? I need eight! Don't unvote yet! And no, I snap at the end of the cycle when I don't die. 29 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: We had TKN(7): Mat, TKN, Stick, TJ, Fifth, Araris, Aman So yeah, he should snap probably by next cycle if he's being truthful. No, I need one more, but I think I need four more since you unvoted.
Stick. she/her Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 ...( ಠ ಠ ) Do you have an extra life?
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, _Stick_ said: ...( ಠ ಠ ) Do you have an extra life? No. How would I have that? I don't get my role until after I don't die. If you think this is shenanigans to make sure thug me dies for some reason, I mentioned this a while back in response to something Kas said. And I outlined the 'I must not die' clause in there to.
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