Chrono Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Yes. yes I do. If a suspious figure in an alley asked me if I wanted to buy an early manuscript of Words of Radiance, I would totally do it. For a good chunk of money. What if the person selling you the copy was a drunk monkey? Of the theological kind? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 What if the person selling you the copy was a drunk monkey? Of the theological kind?Explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kersplattle Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I join the group that finds it unlikely that the quote refers to a Parshendi, they aren't to my recollection ever described as "women". They are female (when in mating form) or femallen otherwise. The quote suggests that the person remains alive, so probably not soulcast, the Stoneworden surge a possibility, absorbing a corrupted spren possibly ? Maybe a decription of "Ash" doing something in a heraldish way ? More questions than answers for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peng the Just Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 @swim it's a reference to lightsong's drunk monkey theory. . I am now proposing to believe that God-or the universe, or time, or whatever you think controls all of this-is all really just a drunk monkey. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Oh!! Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoser Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Awesome! All your speculations are belong to us. Read the glimpse, read the thread, find everything that I might contribute has already been suggested, upvote 3 posts. My work is done here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quazar87 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I assumed it was the known light eye practice of soul casting their dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aminar Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I assumed it was the known light eye practice of soul casting their dead. It refers to her as a living statue. That implies she's still alive. I wonder if Voidbinding ks the use of surges for self enhancement versus external effects.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quazar87 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 It refers to her as a living statue. That implies she's still alive. I wonder if Voidbinding ks the use of surges for self enhancement versus external effects.! It says as if. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Portz Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Oh!! Ok. I am about to upvote this ... ... maybe not, on second thoughts ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Portz Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) My take; A listener evolving into voidbringer. A Thundercast? In most visions of the past, as well as the prelude, voidbringers were described to be of stone. Thunderclasts are constantly described as ripping themselves from the stone surface of Roshar. They do not evolve from something, aka the listeners. Edited February 20, 2014 by Atastor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
askthepaperclip Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 It says as if. This is technically true (Pattern would be so proud), so I upvoted the downvote. However, it would be a very odd turn of phrase to describe a soulcast body in this way, IMHO. Sidebar: I imagine this question has come up before, but it just came to my mind. Does anyone else think it is weird that it is even possible to soulcast the dead? Does a dead body still have a cognitive aspect? (Mistborn) Would this explain how Sazed was able to communicate with Vin and Elend? As long as the body is still around, you still have a presence in the cognitive realm? But then, I thought Vin's body was vaporized...? Weird. I wonder if it is easier/harder/same to soulcast a dead body than a living one. Which would have the stronger (more resistant to change) cognitive aspect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormLight_Luc Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Thunderclasts are constantly described as ripping themselves from the stone surface of Roshar. They do not evolve from something, aka the listeners. Ah, but we don't know, do we? Those descriptions don't state how they came to be. Who says that they can't fuse with stone, awaiting for their enemies to appear before rising and crushing them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delightful Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I think this is something completely new. Either a kind of voidbinding, or something we have neither heard of nor thought of. It's just too weird. The most plausible thing I can think of is Eshonai watching another female Pareshendi change form, but even then, wouldn't she say femalen. not woman?The Stoneward theory - are we talking the surgebinder possibly turning themself into stone, or some kind of Medusa power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiskeyJackDaniels Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I don't think this is a KR surge, it seems too redundant when you factor in the shardplate. I mean I know there was surgebinding before there were KR and shardplate, but it just seems much more like a Parshendi, Voidbringer, or Herald ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arondell Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Ah, but we don't know, do we? Those descriptions don't state how they came to be. Who says that they can't fuse with stone, awaiting for their enemies to appear before rising and crushing them? Actually one of the preview chapters explicitly shows the process. This doesn't seem to be the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arondell Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Sidebar: I imagine this question has come up before, but it just came to my mind. Does anyone else think it is weird that it is even possible to soulcast the dead? Does a dead body still have a cognitive aspect? (Mistborn) Would this explain how Sazed was able to communicate with Vin and Elend? As long as the body is still around, you still have a presence in the cognitive realm? But then, I thought Vin's body was vaporized...? Weird. I wonder if it is easier/harder/same to soulcast a dead body than a living one. Which would have the stronger (more resistant to change) cognitive aspect? It Isn't particularly weird. At least it isn't any weirder then soulcasting any other inanimate object. I certainly don't see any particular reason why a body would be immune to soulcasting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerionBFII Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Maybe a form of void bringer necromancy?? Scary thought..... Edited February 20, 2014 by WEZ313 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromptj Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I would imagine that a dead body is a bit easier to soulcast because it has less Investiture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerionBFII Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I would imagine that a dead body is a bit easier to soulcast because it has less Investiture. It doesn't have to be complex merely animated or controlled I would imagine.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duskshard Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) "What do you do if the hand is festering, threatening the entire body? Do you wait and hope it gets better, or do you act?" This is obviously Kaladin talking, the question is about what? He's not talking about what to do with someone that's injured, he's using his medical knowledge as a metaphor to suggest what they (whoever he's talking to) should do about a certain situation. So what situation are they facing that will require sacrificing something for the good of the whole? Things that could be the festering hand; Ridding Dalinars camp of spy’s Amarams friendship with Dalinar Sedeas doing something that could rip apart the kingdom I definitely think that it's something internal in that camps, nothing to do with the Parshendi. Edited February 20, 2014 by Duskshard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Yeah... One possible, maybe even likely, scenario is that Kaladin develops a belief that Amaram is corrupting either Dalinar or his generals, and so Kaladin feels it's up to himself to... act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoser Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 It sounds like Kaladin to me too, with the medical metaphor. OTOH, I can see a number of other characters using it as justification for their creepiness: Torol Sadeas justifying an assassination attempt on Dalinar. Mr. T justifying nearly anything. Jasnah might even be up to something. Not that I can imagine what he would be talking about, but it seems to me that it could even be Lirin. It seems splendidly tantalizing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 This is obviously Kaladin talking, the question is about what? Obviously? I think it's "obviously" Taravangian speaking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duskshard Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 You're right Hoser, it could be MrT, it makes sense that he would have some medical knowledge. He could be using this metaphor to explain why he's having leaders around the world killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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