Ashbringer he/him Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 … Fae not a huge fan of the number of times JNV’s been in the PoE but I don’t really want to follow a Fae/Araris/Mat train
Araris Valerian he/him Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: … Fae not a huge fan of the number of times JNV’s been in the PoE but I don’t really want to follow a Fae/Araris/Mat train I'm just going to point out that it makes about 0 sense for me to be elim, because e!me would never claim to have forgotten to submit a Troll scan on Randby. I would have claimed that Randby was Trolled, and my teammate would still be alive (unless you are entertaining v!Steel, in which case the second Tie Guy results are relevant and implicate Mat). I'd even have earned some extra trust from that for verifying a scan and the Tie Guy results. So following me onto a train shouldn't concern you. Fae is obviously voting in self-preservation, and Mat is either cleared by Tie Guy IMO or a Conf Villager (and IDK if that works on Tie Guy anyway).
Mat he/him Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 Fae’s fine with me. I don’t love how JNV continues to find a way to stay alive though.
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) JNV can die tonight after he gets one more scan (in case of v!JNV). I won't have Drake protect me again. Better for the game to progress. Edited February 18, 2023 by Amanuensis
JNV Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 31 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Fae’s fine with me. I don’t love how JNV continues to find a way to stay alive though. If it helps Im also surprised at my continued survival and its mostly happening to me not something Im doing but I mean Im not complaining and yeah Fae
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 20 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I'm just going to point out that it makes about 0 sense for me to be elim, because e!me would never claim to have forgotten to submit a Troll scan on Randby. I would have claimed that Randby was Trolled, and my teammate would still be alive (unless you are entertaining v!Steel, in which case the second Tie Guy results are relevant and implicate Mat). I'd even have earned some extra trust from that for verifying a scan and the Tie Guy results. So following me onto a train shouldn't concern you. Fae is obviously voting in self-preservation, and Mat is either cleared by Tie Guy IMO or a Conf Villager (and IDK if that works on Tie Guy anyway). I’m giving 50/50 odds that E!you gains power by bussing Elims Also, I’m wondering at the moment if the Elims even have a Troll (or if that Troll was Walin). Because that ploy leaves things open in the case of V!Fadran gambiting.
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: I’m giving 50/50 odds that E!you gains power by bussing Elims Also, I’m wondering at the moment if the Elims even have a Troll (or if that Troll was Walin). Because that ploy leaves things open in the case of V!Fadran gambiting. If they had a Troll, it would have to have been Walin. N1 Fadran Trolled Walin (which is how I got Troll immunity) which imo is another point in v!Fadran's favor. He would have used the action on someone else
Araris Valerian he/him Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: I’m giving 50/50 odds that E!you gains power by bussing Elims The point of a bus is to gain trust. My actions there, if intentional as an elim, lost me trust. So if this was a bus, then I have severely lost my touch.
Mat he/him Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: If they had a Troll, it would have to have been Walin. N1 Fadran Trolled Walin (which is how I got Troll immunity) which imo is another point in v!Fadran's favor. He would have used the action on someone else Trolling a village troll seems like a good use of an elim troll to me. I do see your point though.
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 I don't really know how much I trust you, Araris. Probably more than Mat/JNV/Fae/Bip but less than Aman/Drake/Wiz. But if there's no E!Troll after Walin, then Araris should be Village anyway.
Shining Silhouette he/him Posted February 19, 2023 Posted February 19, 2023 6 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Kind of incredible how even games where dead players can still talk grow quiet in the later cycles Forgot to follow the thread I think I'll save my vote for at least next cycle Fae sounds like a good exe though imho
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted February 19, 2023 Posted February 19, 2023 Still curious about @The last Fae in the Woods claim that Wizard could prove their innocence. There aren't any more role and alignment scans besides PM spider, which both Wizard and JNV have claimed.
Kasimir he/him Posted February 19, 2023 Author Posted February 19, 2023 The Turn has ended. Go get a cuppa while I sort this out. Back after the commercial break! 2
Kasimir he/him Posted February 19, 2023 Author Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) LG92: Night Eight - SE Will Decide Your Faete Spoiler >>> Fae was removed! Quote The last Fae in the Woods (5): Amanuensis, Ashbringer, DrakeMarshall, JNV, The Wandering Wizard JNV (2): Araris Valerian, Matrim's Dice The Night has begun and will end on Monday, 20th February 2022 at 1100hrs SGT (GMT+8)!' cr: @Matrim's Dice for the pun. Edited February 19, 2023 by Kasimir 9
Kasimir he/him Posted February 19, 2023 Author Posted February 19, 2023 Rule Clarifications: Spoiler Kas and Fifth are only valid vote targets at parity. The wincons are complete. Flipless implies no roles and no alignments. Survivals, if any, will be written up in the standard way. Player List: Spoiler 1. @Ashbringer as Ash the Amateur, a RPing college student 2. @The Wandering Wizard as Emma, twin of Wiz, corruptor of all, avatar of the Kaos. 3. @Steeldancer as Steel 4. @Channelknight Fadran as Fadran the Guy From the Fellowship of the Thing Who Has Never Done This Before. 5. @StrikerEZ as Kjell, an overworked, stressed out man who really needs a break 6. @xinoehp512 as xinoehp513, a newbie to the forum that is very puzzled that his name was already taken. 7. @JNV as JNV 8. @Matrim's Dice as Matrim's Dice 9. @Biplet as Biplet 10. @Araris Valerian as Metalcognition, definitely not an imposter of the founder of SE. 11. @Devotary of Spontaneity as Cecelia, Devona, and Saponin 12. @Amanuensis as Adavantos 13. @The Known Novel as TKN (The Known (and Totally Kool) Novel) 14. @The Bookwyrm as Bookwyrm, the SE deprived Sharder who's doing this even though it might be a bad idea. 15. @Tani as Mehelin, a random bystander who isn't Randby. 16. @Archer as Archer, a player that's hellbent on PM spidering. 17. @Walin as Walin, the consistently befuddled and absent SE-er 18. @|TJ| as mad watcher 19. @dannnnnex as Danex 20. @DrakeMarshall as Drake 21. @Orlok Tsubodai as Orlok (he's Orlok right? I think?) 22. @Random Bystander as Random Bystander 23. @Sart as Sart 24. @Shining Silhouette as Silho, bootleg King's Wit 25. @The last Fae in the Woods as The last Fae in the Woods 4
Kasimir he/him Posted February 19, 2023 Author Posted February 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: *crickets* You missed a Faete pun Missed what? 2
Biplet she/her Posted February 19, 2023 Posted February 19, 2023 aw beans sorry guys striker and i were celebrating valentines day
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 19, 2023 Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) And then there were 8 Edit: did anyone get a PM from JNV on N7? Because actions are beginning to get a little tight. And I forget who said Dead Elims can use actions but I have no idea how we know that. Edited February 19, 2023 by Ashbringer
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted February 19, 2023 Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) Dang it this is the second time I forgot when a day would be ending Gonna go read the end of D8 In the meantime, anybody got vibes about D8? Like was it a V/E or V/V or E/E? Edit: Also nice pun Edit2: Turns out it was a really darn quick read. Edit3: So who do people think I should terminally seek tonight? I may oft disregard suggestions but I do value them quite a bit. And I don't feel very confident about who's evil myself so if anybody has a better idea than "kill everyone in the PoE" that's where I'm at rn Edit4: Anybody have any theories for why this game has no voting minimum and forbids a "no exe" as a vote? Both of these are deliberate, not entirely standard rules for voting, and must be for a specific reason. Edited February 19, 2023 by DrakeMarshall
JNV Posted February 19, 2023 Posted February 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Ashbringer said: And then there were 8 Edit: did anyone get a PM from JNV on N7? Because actions are beginning to get a little tight. And I forget who said Dead Elims can use actions but I have no idea how we know that. Unfortunately for accountability I forgot yeah sorry 27 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: Edit3: So who do people think I should terminally seek tonight? I may oft disregard suggestions but I do value them quite a bit. And I don't feel very confident about who's evil myself so if anybody has a better idea than "kill everyone in the PoE" that's where I'm at rn I volunteer as tribute honestly Ive outlived my usefulness
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 19, 2023 Posted February 19, 2023 So idk what the Aman-Drake-Wiz circle cycle is going to do, but I don't even know if we need it anymore. ALIGNMENTS: Spoiler Aman - Village - From Striker Lynchbait Scan, Sart N1 Scan* Striker - Village - From Bookwyrm N1 Scan Wizard - Village - From Fae 'SE Buddy' role Orlok - Village - From Bookwyrm N2 Scan, backed up by Araris antitroll. Mat - Village - From UPS Scan Araris - Village - From Bookwyrm N3 Scan, Sart N2 Scan* Biplet Elim - From Sart N3 Scan* Steel - Elim - From RandBy N4 Scan Tani - Elim - Claimed Shining - Okay fine claim redacted 2 Elims in pool of Mat/Drake/Ash/Shining/TJ/Archer/Steel/TKN - from Orlok Tie Guy 2 Elims in pool of Mat/Drake/Ash/Shining/Biplet/Wizard/Amanuensis/Orlok - from Steel Tie Guy* * Sart and Steel are relatively likely Elims. ROLES: Spoiler Ashbringer - Thread Master (Immune to Execution), Veteran (Removes one vote from self) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Proven) Wizard - PM Spider (Creates a 1-on-1 PM on Odd Nights and learns a fact about a target on Even Nights (incorrect fact if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) Steeldancer - Pinch Hitter (Copy the Role of a Removed/DDoSed player (does something interesting if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) Fadran - Troll (may Troll players, gives a random player Troll Immunity next cycle if Trolled), Confirmed Villager (Always scans as Village) (Seems concerned about someone who's trying to incite a civil war, thus providing the necessary blood sacrifice to complete the nationwide transmutation circle in order to create a sufficiently powerful philosopher's stone and attain God) (Status - Role 1 Proven via Troll Immunity generation, Role 2 Unproven) Striker - Lynchbait (Will place an Extra Vote on a random player who both had a vote on the Lynchbait at the 24 hour mark of the previous Day turn and is of the same alignment), Stab Voter (If your first vote is placed in the first 24 hours of a Day turn and does not change, it counts as double) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unproven, Dead) xino - Multiquoter (Learn target's target (learn who targeted the target if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Unproven, Role 2 Unknown) JNV - UPS Driver / PM Spider (Creates a 1-on-1 PM on Odd Nights and learns a fact about a target on Even Nights (incorrect fact if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) Matrim's Dice - Tunnel Constructor (Force execution to either kill you or a target player, if triggered before Rollovet) (Status - Role 1 Unproven, Role 2 Unknown) Biplet - Meme Maker (Can see if a target gets Trolled (false info if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven as Bip knew the role name, Role 2 Unknown) Araris - Meme Maker (Can see if a target gets Trolled (false info if Trolled) ), Porch-Sitter (Added vote to self if voted on but immune to NKs) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Proven to exist but NK immunity unproven) Devotary - RPer (May copy one of target player's roles to use the next turn (temporarily grants the RPer role to the Troll (or the target?) if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) Amanuensis - Goalkeeper (Protect target other player (turned to a Kill if Trolled) ), Troll (may Troll players, gives a random player Troll Immunity next cycle if Trolled... I think) (Status - Role 1 Proven via initial claims, Role 2 Proven) TKN - Goalkeeper (Protect target other player (turned to a Kill if Trolled) ) The Bookwyrm - Analyst (Alignment Scan someone you voted for or who voted on you last turn (incorrect alignment if Trolled) (Status - Role 1 Proven via RandBy, Role 2 Unknown) Tani - RPer (May copy one of target player's roles to use the next turn (temporarily grants the RPer role to the Troll (or the target?) if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Unproven, Role 2 Unknown) Archer - PM Spider (Creates a 1-on-1 PM on Odd Nights and learns a fact about a target on Even Nights (incorrect fact if Trolled) ), Rules Ignorer (Ignores most Night Actions) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unproven even if it would explain a good amount) Walin - Troll (may Troll players, gives a random player Troll Immunity next cycle if Trolled... I think) (Status - Role 1 Proven via Troll Immunity, Role 2 Unknown) TJ - Wallposter (Roleblock target player (Makes target immune to non-Troll Disruption if Trolled) ), Veteran (Removes one vote from self) (Status - Role 1 PseudoProven, Role 2 PseudoProven but can confirm via a vote) Dannnnnex - Tie Guy (Learn alignments of players involved in a tie (need specifics, ??? If Trolled) (Status - Role 1 Proven via Orlok and Steel, Role 2 Unknown) _Stick_/Drake - Terminal Seeker (NK a target (protects the target if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) Orlok - Pinch Hitter (Copy the Role of a Removed/DDoSed player (does something interesting if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) RandBy - RPer (May copy one of target player's roles to use the next turn (temporarily grants the RPer role to the Troll (or the target?) if Trolled) ), Tunnel Constructor (Force execution to either kill you or a target player, if triggered before Rollovet) (Status - Role 1 Proven via initial claim, Role 2 Unproven) Sart - Analyst (Alignment Scan someone you voted for or who voted on you last turn (incorrect alignment if Trolled) Shining - Discussion Leader (Move a vote) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) Fae - PM Spider (Creates a 1-on-1 PM on Odd Nights and learns a fact about a target on Even Nights (incorrect fact if Trolled) ), SE Buddy (Automatically know one Villager is Village at game start) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unproven) We're missing an Elim Roleblocker. VOTE COUNTS: Spoiler D1: StrikerEZ (6): Araris Valerian, Ashbringer, Devotary of Spontaneity, Shining Silhouette, Stick, The Bookwyrm The Bookwyrm (3): StrikerEZ, The Wandering Wizard, xinoehp512 Walin (3): Channelknight Fadran, Matrim's Dice, Archer Amanuensis (2): Sart, Steeldancer Shining Silhouette (2): Amanuensis, TJ Channelknight Fadran (1): The Known Novel Stick (1): Orlok Tsubodai The Wandering Wizard (1): Tani D2: Danex (6): Amanuensis, Ashbringer, Matrim's Dice, Stick, The Wandering Wizard, xinoehp512 Araris Valerian (2): Sart Ashbringer (0): Shining Silhouette JNV (1): TJ Matrim's Dice (1): Danex Orlok Tsubodai (1): The Bookwyrm Aman (1): Stick (1): Araris Valerian Walin (1): Archer D3: Quote Steeldancer (4): Archer, Ashbringer, DrakeMarshall, The Known Novel Walin (4): Matrim's Dice, Shining Silhouette, Steeldancer, TJ Biplet (2): Sart, The Wandering Wizard Araris Valerian (2): The Bookwyrm Sart (1): Araris Valerian D4: Ashbringer (3): Ashbringer, Biplet, Matrim's Dice, The Wandering Wizard, Orlok Tsubodai Biplet (3): Amanuensis, DrakeMarshall, Shining Silhouette Steeldancer (1): Random Bystander Sart (1): D5: Steeldancer (7): Archer, Channelknight Fadran, JNV, Matrim's Dice, Orlok Tsubodai, The last Fae in the Woods, The Wandering Wizard Sart (4): Amanuensis, Ashbringer, DrakeMarshall, TJ Channelknight Fadran (3): Araris Valerian, Biplet, Steeldancer Biplet (1): Sart D6: Channelknight Fadran (5): Archer, Ashbringer, Biplet, Matrim's Dice, The Wandering Wizard Archer (4): Amanuensis, Araris Valerian, DrakeMarshall, JNV D7: Archer (5): Amanuensis, Araris Valerian, Ashbringer, DrakeMarshall, JNV JNV (2): Matrim's Dice, The Wandering Wizard Matrim's Dice (1): The last Fae in the Woods D8: The last Fae in the Woods (5): Amanuensis, Ashbringer, DrakeMarshall, JNV, The Wandering Wizard JNV (2): Araris Valerian, Matrim's Dice VOTE COUNTS (NOW WITH TECHNICOLOR): Spoiler D1: StrikerEZ (6): Araris Valerian, Ashbringer, Devotary of Spontaneity, Shining Silhouette, Stick, The Bookwyrm The Bookwyrm (3): StrikerEZ, The Wandering Wizard, xinoehp512 Walin (3): Channelknight Fadran, Matrim's Dice, Archer Amanuensis (2): Sart, Steeldancer Shining Silhouette (2): Amanuensis, TJ Channelknight Fadran (1): The Known Novel Stick (1): Orlok Tsubodai The Wandering Wizard (1): Tani D2: Danex (6): Amanuensis, Ashbringer, Matrim's Dice, Stick, The Wandering Wizard, xinoehp512 Araris Valerian (2): Sart Ashbringer (0): Shining Silhouette JNV (1): TJ Matrim's Dice (1): Danex Orlok Tsubodai (1): The Bookwyrm Amanuensis (1): Stick (1): Araris Valerian Walin (1): Archer D3: Steeldancer (4): Archer, Ashbringer, DrakeMarshall, The Known Novel Walin (4): Matrim's Dice, Shining Silhouette, Steeldancer, TJ Biplet (2): Sart, The Wandering Wizard Araris Valerian (2): The Bookwyrm Sart (1): Araris Valerian D4: Ashbringer (3): Ashbringer, Biplet, Matrim's Dice, The Wandering Wizard, Orlok Tsubodai Biplet (3): Amanuensis, DrakeMarshall, Shining Silhouette Steeldancer (1): Random Bystander Sart (1): D5: Steeldancer (7): Archer, Channelknight Fadran, JNV, Matrim's Dice, Orlok Tsubodai, The last Fae in the Woods, The Wandering Wizard Sart (4): Amanuensis, Ashbringer, DrakeMarshall, TJ Channelknight Fadran (3): Araris Valerian, Biplet, Steeldancer Biplet (1): Sart D6: Channelknight Fadran (5): Archer, Ashbringer, Biplet, Matrim's Dice, The Wandering Wizard Archer (4): Amanuensis, Araris Valerian, DrakeMarshall, JNV D7: Archer (5): Amanuensis, Araris Valerian, Ashbringer, DrakeMarshall, JNV JNV (2): Matrim's Dice, The Wandering Wizard Matrim's Dice (1): The last Fae in the Woods D8: The last Fae in the Woods (5): Amanuensis, Ashbringer, DrakeMarshall, JNV, The Wandering Wizard JNV (2): Araris Valerian, Matrim's Dice Observations: The only living players who were seriously up for an execution on a previous cycle are Biplet and I, and somewhat JNV. Also Fae didn't start voting until D5. I don't really see a world where Aman or Drake can be Elim at this point, for multiple reasons. I'll get into those a bit more if I need to. Wizard could be an Elim, but I wonder at the efficiency of letting Drake unKill Aman again when they'd otherwise get a free shot on Drake/Ash. They know that if they coordinate V!Drake and V!Aman, Aman has to be Trolling Drake because otherwise Drake just kills Aman. Drake could maybe be kill-protecting someone else, but that leaves Aman open. Ash got Sart out, and also is exe immune. We could test that again, I suppose, but I don't know how much time is there. Araris is NK immune, and also had an opportunity to clear Steel - I do think E!Araris still had reasons to claim no ability use, but it's still better than the other reads. Also Araris got V-scanned by Bookwyrm and Sart - not that Sart had much choice but to say V!Araris, but it's still there. Besides, I'm clearing myself because I'm myself so might as well stick Araris in the same category. Mat had a clear by JNV that seemed strange, but is there. Then Biplet and JNV are open. Honestly, I'd prefer to have Drake shoot JNV tonight and Aman protect him, above unkilling Aman. That should math out to D9 (Drake/Wiz/Ash/Araris/Mat/Bip), N9 (Drake/Wiz/Ash/Araris/Mat), D10 (Wiz/Ash/Araris). Versus losing Drake tonight leads to D9 (Aman/Wiz/Ash/Araris/Mat/Bip/JNV), N9 (Aman/Wiz/Ash/Araris/Mat/Bip), D10 (Wiz/Ash/Araris/Mat/Bip), N10 (Wiz/Ash/Araris/Mat), D11 (Ash/Araris/Mat). Or something like that. Getting an extra pair of Vigi NKs gets us quite a bit ahead of the Elims, and should hopefully force them to go for the top of the PoE (which should hopefully get rid of the nagging E!Aman panic. Elims also can't shoot V!Araris which is convenient for him being in the middle of the PoE. Because, you know, MEMES: Spoiler Also @JNV, @The Wandering Wizard, please make sure we get our PM Spider scans in here. 1
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted February 19, 2023 Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ashbringer said: And I forget who said Dead Elims can use actions but I have no idea how we know that. I forget who said it too, because I'm pretty sure I never did, but I do have direct confirmation from Kasimir that dead elims can submit kills. Stick asked about it very early on in the game, in conjunction with asking whether the Terminal Seeker kill can be used while dead (it can't). I don't think dead elims can submit other role actions, just their faction kill. (Although this part I do not have explicit confirmation on, and tbh I'd probably just get a PAFO. But the general rule seems to be that roles can't be accessed while you are dead, and if the elims could use roles while they are dead I'd expect somebody to have copied my role by now and started making kills with it.) Edited February 19, 2023 by DrakeMarshall
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