Long Game 90: Undiluted Powers

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

33 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

I think Matrim

Does have more or less reasoning then your vote on me?

Not really liking the naked votes from Stick. I don't remember is they normally do those either. Anyone know?

[Throw TheLiving Silverware he/him/il/lui]

Sorry I haven't had time to come last night, I have things that are going to last a few days at least. Don't expect high activity from me for this game

The Mat vote D1 was indeed mostly a joke, and I did not expected it to last long. But when I could finally come back I was still in the dark so I didn’t vote for anyone in the end

Some thoughts:

I have good vibes about Shining Silhouette; the very end of D1 screams "I have no idea what to do" which feels more village imo

Wizard defending Bookwyrm mid-D1, then voting him now, then unvoting him, also makes me think Wizard and Bookwyrm are not both elims.

The absence of reaction by other players when Xino got nearly killed makes me lean village on them.

I have a slight elim lean on Stick; they voted several times in a row with no reason given. While I can understand (kinda) where the vote on me is coming from, I don’t see why would you vote Mat. So I'm gonna vote Stick for now, and I'd appreciate some info on the why of your vote.

Pretty much everyone else reads null for now. 

[shadow1 she/her]

2 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said:

As Mat mentioned earlier in the thread, it's a deviation from the current meta of low info kills, meaning killing low activity or low interaction players.

Huh, what a weird meta. I'd want to kill the most aggro people who might actually solve stuff, and then villagers WIFOM what it means, but perhaps that's just me.

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

3 minutes ago, shadow1 said:

Huh, what a weird meta. I'd want to kill the most aggro people who might actually solve stuff, and then villagers WIFOM what it means, but perhaps that's just me.

[shadow1 she/her]

1 minute ago, Shining Silhouette said:

Just vibin with the elims over here, don't mind me

[Stick. she/her]

Reads!!:

Village: Bookwyrm, xino, Alv, Wiz, Dannex, illwei, Cinnamon

Bookwyrm: I've been going back and forth on them for a while and I decided last night that they are evil but their xino vote and subsequent unvote has completely changed my perspective.

xino: Just don't feel as though his tone at that D1 EoD was e!xino (comparing to LG89!xino's D1 EoD). Also in a game with a player size this large I would expect more support from elim teammates in terms of votes so the 4-3 D1 looks good for xino imo.

Alv: Just don't see Alv killing Kas N1 (this read is tentative)

Wiz: I like their bookwyrm vote/unvote and the rationale behind it

Dannex: Dannex's D1 doesn't stand out to me in any particular way but their posts from last turn (re: effort clearing Kas) seem genuine and villagery. I'm not sure whether e!Dannex would want to put themself out there like that.

illwei: What she said about this game and the game before being an experiment of sorts - I remember her noting in the elim doc last game that people V-read her even though she hadn't said much cuz usually all it takes to attract E-reads is for her to speak so I see what she means. This should technically be NAI but I'm inclined to lean village here and also her stance on xino looks village to me.

Cinnamon: It's really just this post. I realise that teammates instructing newer players in the elim doc is a thing but I'm willing to take this at face value.

Mild Village (borderline null+ actually): JNV, Devo

JNV: I can actually never really tell with JNV but my gut says they're alright for now 

Devo: I think that vote retract at D1 EoD was uncharacteristic of e!Devo (especially if xino is village too).

Mild Elim: Archivist, Silvereye, Mat, Shining, Conq

Archivist: Their posts just seem not-village-like to me. They didn't vote C1 (which I would expect from elims if v!xino), and I've already brought up this post but the fact that they never followed up on the question is odd. And this post feels like a classic elim one-liner flip reaction post. 

Silvereye: Been side-eyeing them for a while now but the vibes still ain't there. I can see them teamed with Mat because they unvoted Mat once Dannex also voted Mat and at this stage having two votes meant likely death.

Mat: Mat's posts overall this game seem a little...stiff? I don't have a better term to describe it but yes. Apart from that, I think at a couple of stages thus far he's implied knowledge of people's alignments - I might definitely be reaching, but in this post in response to Kas, he says:

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Gotcha, I’ll save you the pain of me trying to get a reason out of you again and just assume I understand  

I think this statement seems more likely to come from a player talking to someone they know is village. Would v!Mat say this to Kas? v!Mat doesn't know Kas' alignment and should want to know Kas' reasons for voting a player, no? Would e!Mat, knowing Kas' alignment, say this? Maybe? I think so?

I see the same thing in our PM where I feel a distinct lack of paranoia/suspicion directed towards myself - At the start of D1 I said I suspected Silvereye cuz of their reactionary vote and Mat pointed out that other players had done that too. Instead of singling this out as a reason to squint at me and my motivations and question why I hadn't considered the other players who had the same reactionary votes as equally suspicious, he seemed to accept my partly laid out reasons fairly quickly despite not sharing the view. I probably should not be hyper-focusing on this but I expect v!Mat to be more paranoid and more on-the-lookout for potential red flags.

Shining: Their entire demeanour here seems less stressed than their previous village games so I wonder if its because this is e!Shining and they're relaxed cuz there's no solving to be done?  Null- actually. If e!xino then v!Shining.

Conq: This one's more of a null- as well for me but I think Conq just seems different to his previous games here. The fact that he's been less active is probably a factor, but I think he mentioned being busy irl so...yeah.

Edited October 26, 2022 by _Stick_
couple of spelling errors

[Turtle they/them]

Stick I think you missed reading me am I just null in your book?

[Stick. she/her]

2 minutes ago, Turtle said:

Stick I think you missed reading me am I just null in your book?

Oh yeah anybody I didn't mention, I just do not have a read on at the moment so off the top of my head that includes you, shadow, Wiz, TUN,

[Mat he/him]

20 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

I think this statement seems more likely to come from a player talking to someone they know is village. Would v!Mat say this to Kas? v!Mat doesn't know Kas' alignment and should want to know Kas' reasons for voting a player, no? Would e!Mat, knowing Kas' alignment, say this? Maybe? I think so?

That statement comes from a kind of inside joke I have with Kas, actually-- in the past, I've been overly critical about Kas's D1 rando votes and gotten a light berating from Kas about it. It'd be like, I'd call him out for it and ask why he voted the way he did, but then it ends up just being a reaction test sort of thing and Kas is annoyed since I ruined it :P. I went through a similar phase with Illwei's votes as well. So I both assumed it was that straightaway this time (hence my "assume I understand") but then I also PMd him about it and he explained it there more clearly before saying his reasons to thread.

I get there's technically no way to prove that, but there it is. When you understand the inside joke I was referencing I think that line makes a lot more sense, but I get how it can appear the way you interpreted it otherwise.

26 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

I see the same thing in our PM where I feel a distinct lack of paranoia/suspicion directed towards myself - At the start of D1 I said I suspected Silvereye cuz of their reactionary vote and Mat pointed out that other players had done that too. Instead of singling this out as a reason to squint at me and my motivations and question why I hadn't considered the other players who had the same reactionary votes as equally suspicious, he seemed to accept my partly laid out reasons fairly quickly despite not sharing the view. I probably should not be hyper-focusing on this but I expect v!Mat to be more paranoid and more on-the-lookout for potential red flags.

And because I village read you I'm suspicious? I was more interested in getting a feel for why you thought the way I did than exploring straightaway whether I thought you were evil for it, and I kinda just gut read you village for most of D1 anyway. I thought your jumpy votes were a good way to keep the pressure moving and force the thread to be awake and that seemed like a village move. I'm sorry if I didn't immediately jump to paranoiding you but I kind of thought it was nice to have someone to talk to 

[shadow1 she/her]

2 hours ago, Turtle said:

Hi mostly for myself:

-stcik votes for mat

-wiz votes for bookwyrm

-bookwyrm votes for xino

-bookwyrm unboxes xino

 

Don't really see why you're posting this if it's just for yourself.

This is a tonal read but I'm voting Turtle. I get the feeling they are trying to document an ostensible process of being interested in solving and interested in the game because a few times they have put forward the setup of solving without any outcome or real process. In other words, I think they are more interested in their appearance than result (also ex here). It comes across as nervous.

Could someone remind me of to format a vote here? Lol

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

1 hour ago, _Stick_ said:

Shining: Their entire demeanour here seems less stressed than their previous village games so I wonder if its because this is e!Shining and they're relaxed cuz there's no solving to be done?  Null- actually. If e!xino then v!Shining.

Well, if you're referring to the crazy C3 in the last MR then yeah you're right I was super stressed :P.

On 10/15/2022 at 5:33 PM, Shining Silhouette said:

That is valid, actually.

AHHH this is scary. I'm thinking about the possibilities and it's not looking good.

How do we feel about Devo?

Edit: I think there is a real possibility that the four of us are villagers, but if we all switched (or three of us - @Conquestor, @Mark IV and Me) we could protect Mat and lynch Devo instead. We'd have to be on the same page though cause rollover could be really really soon

Edit 2: I just don't know. Mat, Mark, thoughts?

But there was a real possibility that we lost the game if we messed up that cycle. I think earlier in the games if you look back you'll see I'm more calm until V!Me if up for vote, someone I Vil read is up for vote, or if there's a chance of losing that cycle.

Sorry about the lack of solving so far- my first college applications are due next week, but I'll have a longer post up hopefully by tomorrow morning.

Edit:

15 minutes ago, shadow1 said:

Could someone remind me of to format a vote here? Lol

Bolded and red. Like this

Unvotes are bold and green

Edited October 26, 2022 by Shining Silhouette

[shadow1 she/her]

1 minute ago, Shining Silhouette said:

Bolded and red. Like this

Unvotes are bold and green

Thanks! Wasn't sure if there was more to it.

Turtle

[dannnex male]

39 minutes ago, shadow1 said:

Don't really see why you're posting this if it's just for yourself.

This is a tonal read but I'm voting Turtle. I get the feeling they are trying to document an ostensible process of being interested in solving and interested in the game because a few times they have put forward the setup of solving without any outcome or real process. In other words, I think they are more interested in their appearance than result (also ex here). It comes across as nervous.

Could someone remind me of to format a vote here? Lol

i don’t really like this reasoning
or well, the reasoning is sound, I just don’t think the evidence is there. I’m not necessarily reading Turtle as vil, but I don’t think their posts are particularly incriminating.

[shadow1 she/her]

1 minute ago, dannnnnnex said:

i don’t really like this reasoning
or well, the reasoning is sound, I just don’t think the evidence is there. I’m not necessarily reading Turtle as vil, but I don’t think their posts are particularly incriminating.

I don't think they're particularly incriminating either. It's a gut read.

[The Bookwyrm he/him]

4 minutes ago, dannnnnnex said:

vil

...I hate that sometimes I see this as "villain" instead of "villager".

Edited October 26, 2022 by The Bookwyrm

[dannnex male]

36 minutes ago, The Bookwyrm said:

...I hate that sometimes I see this as "villain" instead of "villager".

that would make things confusing wouldn’t it

[The Aspiring Archivist any pronouns]

OK I keep accidentally deleting my post, so here's take three.

3 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Archivist: Their posts just seem not-village-like to me. They didn't vote C1 (which I would expect from elims if v!xino), and I've already brought up this post but the fact that they never followed up on the question is odd. And this post feels like a classic elim one-liner flip reaction post.

Yeah, this is just me trying to get information for a read. I'm horribly indecisive, so I've been pretty much on the sidelines this whole time deciding what to say. I think I'm just going to give my perspective on Mat, Turtle, and Stick because they're the only ones with votes right now and I don't trust myself enough to bring up suspicion on a completely different person.

So @Matrim's Dice:

He's seemed kind of defensive, pretty much always retaliating when someone votes him or is accusatory. This might just be typical and it would make sense for a vil trying to keep themself alive. Overall, he's been contributing a lot with his own reads and such. Still, I think slight elim lean for him.

Next is @Turtle:

I sort of agree with Shadow that they haven't been contributing much and have been focusing a lot on their image. So sight elim lean there as well, maybe a little more than Mat because Mat has been making what at least look to me like positive contributions.

And then @_Stick_:

The vote on her came from the reasoning that she voted a lot without saying why, but she did recently do a big reads post, so if that's the only reason to be suspicious of her than that makes her neutral in my eyes.

I'm going to go ahead and vote Turtle for now, but definitely subject to change. I'm open to chat about this stuff whether it be on the thread or in PM.

[Cinnamon]

Hello, sorry I’ve been inactive 

I don’t really have anything more than a gut read on anyone at the moment. Except Mat. this post:

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Gotcha, I’ll save you the pain of me trying to get a reason out of you again and just assume I understand  

Doesn’t mean he’s not evil  I mean… he’s in the elim doc, no? Seems kinda sus ngl

and a couple other things they’ve said have rubbed me the wrong way, it just feels kinda off.  I am not gonna vote yet. But that’s where my suspicions lie for now. @Matrim's Dice

****

I was sitting contemplatively on a rough lump of stone, on the corner of a street. Destruction was laid out before me, yet my eyes did not see. I ran my finger up and down the rough edge of my satchel’s leather strap, feeling the the ash falling lightly.

I didn’t know what to make of it. The village drunk (who I’d heard was one of the foremost investigators on the case, and besides his drinking problem, had been an amiable and well liked fellow) was dead, along with Drying, and perhaps the most troubling of all, the inn had been burnt to a crisp, with a strange message left in the ruins. Those very ruins sat in front of me.

So much had happened in the past two days, it was quite overwhelming. I hadn’t even learned that drunk’s name before he died.

Yesterday I had been so sure I would find the Spiked, but today? Well, I wasn’t certain of anything.

I sat, flakes of ash wafting down slowly, meandering through the air, before alighting on the ground. Some Skaa worker would need to sweep the streets later. The ash originated from the ashmount that was the namesake of our little town.

‘Our’ little town, I thought. I have only just arrived, but already the place feels like home. Strange how crisis can both bring people together and tear them apart. 
My thoughts drifted to Derrick. His body twisted and wrong looking, mangled on the flagstones. 
I was but a young girl when I first saw death, it should not have shocked me so, yet the shock, horror and remorse came as sure as if it was my first experience of the violent cessation of life.

Unbidden, memories of my past, my brother, flooded my mind, I supposed I would need to face them at some point if I was going to continue on with my search for spiked, just not today. Today, I would mourn, for those I’d never known, for those who had none to mourn for them, but mostly I would mourn for my brother. He may not be deceased, but he was dead. All the Spiked were. I would mourn for them too, who they could have been.

***
Also I read Wiz as vill. I get the vibe, and for some reason I think he is the tineye. No solid reasoning though

@The Wandering Wizard. 

Edited October 26, 2022 by Cinnamon
Summoning Mat and Wiz

[Turtle they/them]

35 minutes ago, The Aspiring Archivist said:

I sort of agree with Shadow that they haven't been contributing much and have been focusing a lot on their image. So sight elim lean there as well, maybe a little more than Mat because Mat has been making what at least look to me like positive contributions.

Can I ask what ‘focusing on their image’ means to you?

I mostly haven’t been contributing a ton bc I’m multitabling and we’re reaching the end of the quarter in school and I’m a master at procrastination. 
 

also I came here thinking that it was 24 hour days for some reason and got scared i missed rollover lmao

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

2 hours ago, The Bookwyrm said:

...I hate that sometimes I see this as "villain" instead of "villager".

1 hour ago, dannnnnnex said:

that would make things confusing wouldn’t it

If this is e/e that's hilarious.

I feel like this is exactly the kind of interaction Mat and I had in our QF game

Speaking of Mat,

50 minutes ago, Cinnamon said:

I don’t really have anything more than a gut read on anyone at the moment. Except Mat. this post:

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Gotcha, I’ll save you the pain of me trying to get a reason out of you again and just assume I understand  

Doesn’t mean he’s not evil  I mean… he’s in the elim doc, no? Seems kinda sus ngl

and a couple other things they’ve said have rubbed me the wrong way, it just feels kinda off.  I am not gonna vote yet. But that’s where my suspicions lie for now.

Personally, this post doesn't bug me at all. Mat explained that the first part was an inside joke earlier, and the second part is jokingly referring to the fact that the GM is in the elim doc and is thus an elim

Also, I'm interested in the way @The Bookwyrm thinks. I feel like either he's thinking really hard about this game, or he's being coached but personally, right now I'm leaning towards the latter. This goes for everyone, but the more you post, the more we get to see how you think. I think that's one of the most important things in this game: showing people how you think and how your brain's working. Keep it comin :P. 

Edited October 26, 2022 by Shining Silhouette
grammar

[Turtle they/them]

1 hour ago, The Aspiring Archivist said:

I sort of agree with Shadow that they haven't been contributing much and have been focusing a lot on their image. So sight elim lean there as well, maybe a little more than Mat because Mat has been making what at least look to me like positive contributions.

Can I ask what ‘focusing on their image’ means to you?

edit: for the post shadow cited, I tend to notice when people have opinions abt me wether I’m elim or not. I wish I had a good game to show for this but I usually look for people asking me questions and stuff

I mostly haven’t been contributing a ton bc I’m multitabling and we’re reaching the end of the quarter in school and I’m a master at procrastination. 
 

also I came here thinking that it was 24 hour days for some reason and got scared i missed rollover lmao

 

vibes rn are that the elim team is probably made up of some new players (kas kill) and one or two people on that team are also probably fairly inactive and don’t need to be active 

can someone remind me the typical distro of elims? 

Edited October 26, 2022 by Turtle
Edit is in italics

[Cinnamon]

@Turtle you seem a bit suspicious. At the moment I'm saying slight slight slight elim lean on you. But this could change very quickly.

18 minutes ago, Turtle said:

also I came here thinking that it was 24 hour days for some reason and got scared i missed rollover lmao

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lmao I literally just forgot this game was happening and then realized it was happening 12 minutes after it ended. I really wish I’d been there earlier cos figuring stuff out after the fact when I wasn’t an active participant can be really hard for me. 

These two posts both are quite strange to me. I understand firsthand that RL can get in the way of things. You even mention you have quite a lot of things on your plate at the moment, which I totally get. But using the "I forgot" argument twice. Seems quite doubtful. Please correct me if I am incorrect, or have misstepped in any way.  

I would love to hear what you have to say on the matter Turtle.

[Turtle they/them]

3 minutes ago, Cinnamon said:

@Turtle you seem a bit suspicious. At the moment I'm saying slight slight slight elim lean on you. But this could change very quickly.

These two posts both are quite strange to me. I understand firsthand that RL can get in the way of things. You even mention you have quite a lot of things on your plate at the moment, which I totally get. But using the "I forgot" argument twice. Seems quite doubtful. Please correct me if I am incorrect, or have misstepped in any way.  

I would love to hear what you have to say on the matter Turtle.

uhm adhd? I’ve been doing hw on the same device I use for SE and sometimes I look at the clock and panic cos my brain says 5=rollover

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

4 minutes ago, Cinnamon said:

@Turtle you seem a bit suspicious. At the moment I'm saying slight slight slight elim lean on you. But this could change very quickly.

These two posts both are quite strange to me. I understand firsthand that RL can get in the way of things. You even mention you have quite a lot of things on your plate at the moment, which I totally get. But using the "I forgot" argument twice. Seems quite doubtful. Please correct me if I am incorrect, or have misstepped in any way. 

Well, the "I thought it was 24 hours" one isn't really AI, since 24 hour turns are pretty common and the Night (which is all Turtle says they have been present for, which I am inclined to believe) is 24 hours as well. 

I don't think forgetting about d1 is really AI either, although an argument could be made for it being slightly v!indicative.

[Cinnamon]

6 minutes ago, Turtle said:

uhm adhd? I’ve been doing hw on the same device I use for SE and sometimes I look at the clock and panic cos my brain says 5=rollover

 

5 minutes ago, The Unknown Novel said:

Well, the "I thought it was 24 hours" one isn't really AI, since 24 hour turns are pretty common and the Night (which is all Turtle says they have been present for, which I am inclined to believe) is 24 hours as well. 

I don't think forgetting about d1 is really AI either, although an argument could be made for it being slightly v!indicative.

Thanks for clearing that up!!  It was just that one thing bugging me. Everything else they have posted has been giving null or Vill vibes. Tbh I am not 100% sure what that means yet as I am still new but I think Turtle is clear. (that is just my opinion though, and as I proved with Ash I can be wrong)

Also: Matrim's Dice

Edited October 26, 2022 by Cinnamon
I spelt Turtle wrong