Orlok Tsubodai Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: Orlok your profile picture is triggering my OCD you should move it a little to the right asap Ah, its Crimsn. Joe This doesnt mean discussion needs to die this turn, btw Thanks Stick - El updated it slightly, but was in a rush. I'll fix it now. 1
Paranoid King he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 13 hours ago, _Stick_ said: I do have some people I want to talk about, keeping last cycle's events in mind, including Cloud, Flash and PK. 4 hours ago, _Stick_ said: @Paranoid King has said odd things early in the cycle. And never really explained the group PMs. Though I will no longer hold those against him, Straw flipped town, after all. I'd like you to post a bit more, PK. I'm going to be traveling all day tomorrow, so if you have concerns, I likely won't be able to get back to you about them until the night phase. Unless the group PMs I made at the beginning of the game are your concern. Not much to say about them, really. PMs are fun, and Straw mentioned that he didn't have a nice round number. So I made a few with him in them. Personally, I think we have 13 players left, not including the neutrals. After another cycle, we'll have 12. I feel like I'd rather not lynch Joe yet, because the elims seem to have been picking off actives, and after another cycle or 2, it'll be game over. But at the same time, I worry that the elims have been helping the neutrals this entire game in exchange for their support, and if I don't lynch Joe, I'll be strengthening the neutral's ties to the elims. So either I try and vote someone else, (And with the vote split, the elims could probably influence a villager to die anyways,) or I vote on a neutral to stop them from helping the elims. *sigh* Joe. If the elims are blackmailing neutrals, this game might already be over.
Steeldancer he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 4 hours ago, Crimsn-Wolf said: Well I mean, I would prefer my 'father' not dying, but I understand the need for it. So, I will be placing my vote on Joe, as well. I am the secret Ward of Joe, and I would prefer to not die, this is true. Can't post much more now, since I am still at work, buttt. I understand the reason behind me needing to reveal myself, finally. Thank you for telling us. I was slightly suspicious of you, but I can remove that now. Excellent. I'm going to bed now, but I don't have work tomorrow, so I plan on getting stuff done. We're going to make this lynch count. I also plan on updating my analysis document once again. I'll add role information and stuff. I don't think we should kill Joe yet. If we look really close to winning (like killing another elim or two) I would feel a lot better about giving up a lynch to fulfill your win condition, Wilson. But right now we've killed 1 out of at least 4 (probably 5, by my own and seonids estimate) elims. We are no where near a solid village win. I think our best possible lynches would be cloudjumper or ecth, as someone pointed out. (My phone is about to shut down, so I don't have time to check). Beware, elims. Jay Garrick is coming for you. 1
Araris Valerian he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 Flash, killing cloudjumper or Ecthelion isn't going to give us any further information though. I mean, I suppose my argument here means that if one of them flips elim you might come after me next, but they just haven't interacted with anyone enough to give us a lead on where to go next. If there are 4 elims left, and one of them is Ecthelion/cloudjumper, then there are 3 other elims that lynching would give much more information.
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 9 hours ago, Seonid said: I'm all for giving all the neutrals their win conditions. But, I expect 4 more Eliminators (6 total is too many, for a game in which there are 6 neutrals, but 4 total is probably too few for a game in which the neutrals could all align against them). Which actually means that the Elim + neutral block could potentially control the lynch right now. If they are all active. You want Joe lynched @little wilson? Good. So do I. There are 12 non-neutrals left. 1/3 of them are against us. I'm not going to sacrifice my win con just so that you can get yours. And you shouldn't expect me to. The village doesn't owe you anything. You've said you helped us. From my perspective, I can't see anything. I'm not asking for a name or anything - it's not in your best interests and I fully get that. I'm not even asking for your help. What I am asking for is for the village to step up, and discuss things, and not lynch Joe today because we need better targets and a lynch on Joe. No we shouldn't. It's not worth it for the village. If we had gotten 2 Elims by now? Sure. But we are down to the wire. It's not lynch or lose now. And if we waste yet another cycle trying to lynch Joe, I can't see that the village can get back out of that hole! To the village, whoever you are: if you join in a lynch on Joe today, I will consider that a sign of being an Eliminator. At the moment, I can support the lynch on Ecthelion To the neutrals: tell me why this lynch is in the interests of the village. Tell my why this lynch won't be sacrificing my win con and the win con of 16 or 17 other players in this game just so that Wilson can get hers? If you present a convincing enough argument, I'm willing to listen and even lynch Joe, if you can show me how the village can win after lynching Joe today. But at the moment, I see a bright line of conflict between giving Wilson her wincon and getting my team to theirs. Help me resolve that conflict, and I'll be right with you. This lynch is not in the interest of the villagers, it's in interest to the Neutrals. That's the entire point i made when i voted myself. I'm trying to force the villagers to actually be active and discuss alternate lynches. 8 hours ago, Araris Valerian said: @Seonid, Orlok is neutral. So that vote makes sense for him. We need to get more players involved in discussion today, since we need at least 7 votes to stop a lynch on Joe (assuming the neutrals all vote). Although, Joe's list only has 5 neutrals on it. So maybe the pauper noble didn't get converted? The alternative is to listen to Seonid and kill Joe, although I don't really like that right now. While we have the numbers we do, I think we should use them to force lynch discussion. The neutrals can afford to wait a while to kill Joe, but we need information sooner rather than later. Also, Joe, you are causing us a bit of a problem. The non-neutral votes won't really be able to be spread around at the end of the cycle, so likely we will have a big stack of village and elim votes on somebody to stop your wagon. That isn't going to be very helpful for analysis. The elims can hide behind "I'm voting to stop the Joe lynch." As for my reads: I think 2 or 3 of the elims are hiding behind inactivity (or low activity). There are plenty of inactive players, and it isn't too hard to steer the lynch from one of them to the next without drawing attention. I think that also means that the people that have been brought up in recent cycles for lynches are probably village. We would likely see mote activity in a cycle if any elim thought there was a chance that the vote might swing on to them. I'm fairly sure that Flash and Brightness are clear. They've just been participating too much. Other players I'd guess village on are Seonid and Cloudjumper, both of who drew some attention last cycle but didn't really rise to the call. The same with Striker. He had 2 votes on him last cycle, and didn't really do much. From the early cycles, I would lean elim on Stick. And her participation the last couple of cycles might be a response to the suspicion on her. However, right now I think we should lynch Drake. He's been lying low and hasn't really been brought up as a suspect, so he hasn't needed to be active. Last cycle, he voted on Stick, based on early cycle stuff, but didn't really make an effort to draw others to vote with him. There were already two other players up for the lynch that cycle, and the active players, Flash and BR, seemed convinced one of them was elim, so that was where the day was headed. A vote on Stick didn't serve any purpose, except perhaps for distancing if one of the two flipped elim. Yes, the problem i'm causing is deliberate. Day 5 was disappointingly slow. Today is working much better with getting votes and reads out there. 6 hours ago, _Stick_ said: @The Flash, I'm having mixed reads on you right now. It seemed like you tunnel a lot on Striker, and now Cloud. I was suspicious of you early in the game, though last cycle did make me lean village due to the analysis compilation, I noticed that you didn't really give your say on what you collected in a doc, albeit useful it was. And then yeah...three village rioters does seem odd. I'm nearly certain BR is village. Speaking of BR, @BrightnessRadiant havent seen you post in a while. Cloud is...hm. His PM thing with Aster was weird [he said he was leaning village due to his PMs with him in one post and said the opposite in another, iirc]. If he flips town, I'll have a solid village read on Flash. @Paranoid King has said odd things early in the cycle. And never really explained the group PMs. Though I will no longer hold those against him, Straw flipped town, after all. I'd like you to post a bit more, PK. @Ecthelion III has expressed suspicion on Flash and subtly defended Cloud. Could be worth keeping in mind, whichever way today's lynch goes. Apart from that, hasn't posted much. Leaning slightly village on @Drake Marshall because of his kind of ill-informed post earlier and his suspicion on me seemed...genuine. I dunno, maybe it's just a gut read, in the end. @Arinian made some helpful posts in the beginning but then disappeared. I want to wait and get the others' opinions first though, do you want to lynch Joe today? Aman and Rae are confirmed villagers, and if they made a deal with the neutrals to help lynch Joe at some point, I think we should give it some thought. i was never told about this deal actually. so if they made a deal, it was with wilson and Elbereth. However, you probably don't want to lynch me today. it puts you in an even worse position than before, as the elims will get anther kill in, and likely on another active villager, since that seems to be their MO. 5 hours ago, _Stick_ said: Orlok your profile picture is triggering my OCD you should move it a little to the right asap Ah, its Crimsn. Joe This doesnt mean discussion needs to die this turn, btw Stick is voting for me. interesting. 2 hours ago, Paranoid King said: Personally, I think we have 13 players left, not including the neutrals. After another cycle, we'll have 12. I feel like I'd rather not lynch Joe yet, because the elims seem to have been picking off actives, and after another cycle or 2, it'll be game over. But at the same time, I worry that the elims have been helping the neutrals this entire game in exchange for their support, and if I don't lynch Joe, I'll be strengthening the neutral's ties to the elims. So either I try and vote someone else, (And with the vote split, the elims could probably influence a villager to die anyways,) or I vote on a neutral to stop them from helping the elims. *sigh* Joe. If the elims are blackmailing neutrals, this game might already be over. The Elims are not blackmailing the neutrals. Yitzi tried that, but AMan took him out before we could do anything about that. And you are also interestingly voting for me. 16 hours ago, A Joe in the Bush said: Hmm, the game is starting to stall. The neutrals are not helping keep it active, as most of us are inactive. Of the 22 Original Non-Neutrals, 12 remain. 1 Eliminator is dead, leaving either 3 or 4 left. Of the below thirteen players, (Including my Ward, who is disinclined to reveal himself) I suspect @The Flash, @Araris Valerian, and @Ecthelion III of being Eliminators. I will happily vote on any of them, but, as i said, the game is slowing down, and my first loyalty is to the Neutrals. So, if no Villagers get online to vote for someone they suspect, I will Vote for A Joe in the Bush since @little wilson is the last neutral who has not achieved her win condition. (Assuming @STINK managed to get another metal last night? Did you?) I was planning on taking my vote off of myself once it got to this point, since the whole point of me voting on myself, which everyone seems to have missed, was too get the villagers voting again. But the Neutrals seem to want this lynch to go through, so i'll hold onto it for now.
Paranoid King he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 6 minutes ago, A Joe in the Bush said: The Elims are not blackmailing the neutrals. Yitzi tried that, but AMan took him out before we could do anything about that. And you are also interestingly voting for me. It's kinda given that if they are blackmailing you, you wouldn't tell us about it. Most neutral win cons hinge on surviving, so if the elims said they'd kill you if you betrayed them, you wouldn't have any way to communicate that to us. Or maybe none of that is happening and I'm just paranoid. My point is just that I couldn't trust elim!neutrals if they said they weren't evil. I'm voting for Joe because the neutrals want to get a neutral lynched. Half the villagers want that same thing. Half want to vote an elim, but don't know where to find one. The elims know who they want lynched, and because half of the villagers would vote for anyone other than a neutral, they could easily direct the vote onto a villager. And then next cycle it would be the same thing. I'd rather lynch Joe sooner than later so that we can all get focused on lynching elims. If more villagers are interested in that, it's harder for the elims to say "Joe and Straw are the only real contenders. It's your choice, but I'd go with the non neutral. " Anyways, those are my thoughts for now. See you next night cycle! 1
Elbereth she/her Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 7 hours ago, BrightnessRadiant said: Okayyyyyyy sorry I was gone peeps I'm ashamed of myself lol Okay so I was in contact with all of the neutrals except Elbereth...and I know they've actually helped the village more than once. In light of that I'm willing to give them what they deserve Joe it feels very strange to lynch someone out of love Not really lynching someone out of love. Lynching Maill in LG24 was love. This is just... agreement to terms, more. 6 hours ago, _Stick_ said: Orlok your profile picture is triggering my OCD you should move it a little to the right asap Sorry.
Ecthelion III he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 I rather agree with PK. He might be evil but I don't have a problem with lynching the neutrals; heck I've voted on neutrals multiple cycles. Joe.
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 8 hours ago, The Flash said: I think Joe would let us know if he was the Convicts ward. Plus, I think I know who the Convicts ward is. You say it so much more eloquently... Who did you think it was and why?
Stick. she/her Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 5 hours ago, A Joe in the Bush said: I was planning on taking my vote off of myself once it got to this point, since the whole point of me voting on myself, which everyone seems to have missed, was too get the villagers voting again. But the Neutrals seem to want this lynch to go through, so i'll hold onto it for now. Well if you don't want to die yet, I suppose I could switch my vote to Cloud. Though you have like eight votes on you now.
Steeldancer he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 14 hours ago, A Joe in the Bush said: Who did you think it was and why? Actually I thought it was seonid lol. But nm that. Despite not having work today, I was still ridiculously busy, and will be in a bit, so I only have about an hour to do this. We cannot afford a lynch on Joe right now. I'm suspicous of people who DO want it to go through (other than neutrals). You do realize we've only gotten one elim so far?! Even if we get an elim every lynch, that will take until day 10! 11 if you include lynching joe! (Assuming there were 5 elims). and gosh darn it now I'm not even going to have this next hour. I have to go help in my garden. Sorry. . Suffice it to say I think cloudjumper is an elim, I don't think we should lynch joe right now, and I'll try to come back and make analysis. Ugh.
Orlok Tsubodai Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 18 minutes ago, The Flash said: Actually I thought it was seonid lol. But nm that. Despite not having work today, I was still ridiculously busy, and will be in a bit, so I only have about an hour to do this. We cannot afford a lynch on Joe right now. I'm suspicous of people who DO want it to go through (other than neutrals). You do realize we've only gotten one elim so far?! Even if we get an elim every lynch, that will take until day 10! 11 if you include lynching joe! (Assuming there were 5 elims). and gosh darn it now I'm not even going to have this next hour. I have to go help in my garden. Sorry. . Suffice it to say I think cloudjumper is an elim, I don't think we should lynch joe right now, and I'll try to come back and make analysis. Ugh. Flash, at some point we can force this through regardless. Even in your ideal world, lynching an eliminator every turn, the eliminators also remove a villager each turn. Right now, the numbers are likely to be 8-4-6. In three turns time, it might be 5-1-6, at which point the neutral players outnumber the village, and can force this through. At any point, we could work with the eliminators openly, it being 8-10 if we did, but it's certainly better for the village, and our neutrality, if this goes through this turn, leaving it 7-4 going into the next day. This turn is now mostly over, and there is limited time for another lynch discussion. If we don't lynch Joe today, we'll try again, and the village will lose another cycle of discussion. 1
Seonid he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 28 minutes ago, OrlokTsubodai said: Flash, at some point we can force this through regardless. Even in your ideal world, lynching an eliminator every turn, the eliminators also remove a villager each turn. Right now, the numbers are likely to be 8-4-6. In three turns time, it might be 5-1-6, at which point the neutral players outnumber the village, and can force this through. At any point, we could work with the eliminators openly, it being 8-10 if we did, but it's certainly better for the village, and our neutrality, if this goes through this turn, leaving it 7-4 going into the next day. This turn is now mostly over, and there is limited time for another lynch discussion. If we don't lynch Joe today, we'll try again, and the village will lose another cycle of discussion. So are you working to guarantee that if we work with you to push this through, that you and your compatriots stay out of the village - Elim fight? You say it will allow you to remain neutral without saying you will. I want you tied down to a statement. I know that you, Elb, and Wilson are trustworthy. If you give your word you keep it. I'm not demanding you join the village. Far from it. Just don't side with the Elims against us. 1
Steeldancer he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 35 minutes ago, OrlokTsubodai said: Flash, at some point we can force this through regardless. Even in your ideal world, lynching an eliminator every turn, the eliminators also remove a villager each turn. Right now, the numbers are likely to be 8-4-6. In three turns time, it might be 5-1-6, at which point the neutral players outnumber the village, and can force this through. At any point, we could work with the eliminators openly, it being 8-10 if we did, but it's certainly better for the village, and our neutrality, if this goes through this turn, leaving it 7-4 going into the next day. This turn is now mostly over, and there is limited time for another lynch discussion. If we don't lynch Joe today, we'll try again, and the village will lose another cycle of discussion. And meanwhile we're still being picked off. Look. Clearly the lynch on cloudjumper isn't going to go through. I know I've been tunneling on him, and I still think he's an elim. However, I think a lynch on ecthelion would be more informative. I know I'm not enumerating my suspicions right now, but I don't have a lot of time to spell them out. But I do have actual reasons for being suspicious of him. Also, if Ecth turns out to be an elim, I would feel a lot better about lynching Joe. In one more day. But please neutrals, we have no information at the moment. We NEED a lynch to get information. You can afford to wait. You're not going anywhere, no one wants to kill you. Please give us one turn. If Ecth is an elim, we'll have information that we can use to create discussion despite not getting information from a lynch on Joe. Ok, I might have a few minutes here. I'll edit in all the posts that make me suspicious of Ecth.
cloudjumper he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 tbh I have been much more focused on the other game lately so sorry about that but im glad that im not dead yet. Would rather vote on a possible Elim than a practically confirmed neutral. Ecth. Lynch will be much more informative.
Dalinar Kholin Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 @A Joe in the Bush It's not over yet! If you die, the game will lose the little motivation for discussion it has. You don't need to give up! Vote for Ecthellion. @_Stick_Why vote for Joe! That doesn't help us win this game. People can say we have to do it now, but if we lose Joe we lose discussion, plus if we hit an elim this turn we'll be in a much safer position to put a kill on Joe in the future, if we fail it won't really matter either way. @Paranoid King If the elim's and neutrals were in full cahoots we'd be done for anyways. We mind as well go for it, if nothing else, at least it gives us an oppurtunity. Anwyways, our goal is to kill the elims, they can't dislike us for attempting to achieve our win con's. If we waste this lynch do you think more discussion is going to magically appear and give us an answer? It only helps the elims by killing one of the more active players. @Araris Valerian I appreciate your reasoning for not voting for a stock vote. But we need your vote! If you keep it on Drake it will be nothing more than a statement of values. We understand your intent, but wouldn't Ecthellion be better then no elim at all! Even if it gives us very little information, it gives us a chance. Lynching other elim's might be better, but I feel most of the remaining elim's are medium to low radar. @The Flash Vote for Ecthellion! It gives us a chance, if we can get a counterbandwagon rolling in these last 10 hours we might have a chance. But we need every single village vote we can scrape up for this. The neutrals are revealed. Every night the elim's kill it will take out a village, we need to lynch an elim, now! @BrightnessRadiant I understand your wish to help the neutrals if they have helped the village in return, but why now! A: Joe helps keep discussion going, B even if you say this won't be a wasted lynch because of discussion or knowledge, please inform me what we have learned from today that will help as kill an elim next day. And C, if we don't kill an elim next couple of rounds we can roll over and help them out (or they can do it themselves with numbers plus elim help). But in later rounds there will be less discussion, thus we will lose less from spending a day lynching Joe then. We mind as well wait as long as possible, and when we're in a confident position, or have lost, we can kill Joe. @cloudjumperThank you! Neutrals! I think this has been helpful information in identifying elim's, those who voted for Joe and are not neutrals are on my suspicion list now. What do you have to lose from lynching Joe later? @STINKHelp lynch ecth just for chaoses sake! 1
Steeldancer he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 Ok 3 things about ecth make me suspicious: 1. The defense of Cloudjumper. Ecth said that cloudjumper normally plays more lurky, which I don't remember (from the one game I played with him.) Also it's kind of rich when that's coming from a lurky player. 2. The defense of inactive elims. This SERIOUSLY bothers me. An inactive elim is still a threat to the village, and while the logic about inactive elims makes sense, why do you feel at all obliged to defend them? They are still elims! They could provide information by lynching them! 3. The nearly unexplained vote on Joe. Elims would clearly prefer the vote on joe, because it gives us no information. A vote on anyone else gives us information, but a vote on a neutral? It buys more time for them to pick us off. Sadly, I also feel suspicious of Brightness for these reasons as I go through. If Ecth turns elim, I might have to review her posts...
Araris Valerian he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 Well, if Ecth flips elim then killing him now is better than doing it later. Drake. Ecthelion. If he flips village then that gives me a slightly higher elim read on Dalinar, but not much. I don't think either way for him to flip is going to help, but I do agree that we need to stand together in this lynch.
cloudjumper he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 Just now, The Flash said: Ok 3 things about ecth make me suspicious: 1. The defense of Cloudjumper. Ecth said that cloudjumper normally plays more lurky, which I don't remember (from the one game I played with him.) Also it's kind of rich when that's coming from a lurky player. I usually have played lurkily before you arrived. You wouldn't have been in many games I have played lurkily. LG34 was something of an anomaly I think, though I might change my playstyle to becoming more active over time. But by no means am I defending Ecth in this statement, I am clarifying.
Steeldancer he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 1 minute ago, cloudjumper said: I usually have played lurkily before you arrived. You wouldn't have been in many games I have played lurkily. LG34 was something of an anomaly I think, though I might change my playstyle to becoming more active over time. But by no means am I defending Ecth in this statement, I am clarifying. Ok then. Ecth voted on me because I didn't know that (LG34 was my first LG. How would I possibly know that cloudjumper was anything but active?!). If anything this makes me more suspicious of Ecth, because wasn't he in LG34? He should have known that was my first LG.
BrightnessRadiant she/her Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, Dalinar Kholin said: I understand your wish to help the neutrals if they have helped the village in return, but why now! A: Joe helps keep discussion going, B even if you say this won't be a wasted lynch because of discussion or knowledge, please inform me what we have learned from today that will help as kill an elim next day. And C, if we don't kill an elim next couple of rounds we can roll over and help them out (or they can do it themselves with numbers plus elim help). But in later rounds there will be less discussion, thus we will lose less from spending a day lynching Joe then. We mind as well wait as long as possible, and when we're in a confident position, or have lost, we can kill Joe Okay I would love to lynch an elim this cycle, but I feel like lynching Joe is a good peace treaty with the neutrals. Plus, we kinda owe them. I'm not divulging on that further unless we get pms...maybe I'll let you in on it heh. I believe we've had enough discussion this cycle to provide a target for next cycle so *shrugs. It's lynch Joe now, or later when it would be later in game and our lynches would be more important imo. So I still vote for lynching Joe *shrugs....If you can give me a better reason than maybe I'll hold off. Especially since Joe said it was just to generate discussion. But, the other neutrals really seem to want this rn. 8 minutes ago, The Flash said: Ok 3 things about ecth make me suspicious: 1. The defense of Cloudjumper. Ecth said that cloudjumper normally plays more lurky, which I don't remember (from the one game I played with him.) Also it's kind of rich when that's coming from a lurky player. 2. The defense of inactive elims. This SERIOUSLY bothers me. An inactive elim is still a threat to the village, and while the logic about inactive elims makes sense, why do you feel at all obliged to defend them? They are still elims! They could provide information by lynching them! 3. The nearly unexplained vote on Joe. Elims would clearly prefer the vote on joe, because it gives us no information. A vote on anyone else gives us information, but a vote on a neutral? It buys more time for them to pick us off. Sadly, I also feel suspicious of Brightness for these reasons as I go through. If Ecth turns elim, I might have to review her posts... Okay it's not that I'm saying I know whether Ecth is good or bad, but I think I can actually answer most of these heh. 1. Cloud is usually lurky and Ecth probably just assumed that you'd played with him before *shrugs. I don't know that it's alignment indicative. 2. Okay I agreed with Ecth on this one, because we weren't saying not to lynch inactive elims...we were saying that we should go after active once first. (I say we cuz both of us posted about it that cycle heh) 3. I don't think we are in that grave of danger yet....wouldn't the later lynch be worse to use on a neutral when the game gets closer and the lynch is more valuable? 1
Stick. she/her Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 Omg from all the suspicious players you guys choose Ecth to start a wagon on I'm not even super suspicious of him and would rather have Cloud lynched. Y'all realise that diverting the lynch near to the end of the turn like this may possibly turn the neutrals against us? Also this reminds me of a certain EoD D1 and that didn't turn out very well did it? I suppose we have 8 hours for discussion over this but it's nearly 2 am and I won't be up until after rollover. 22 minutes ago, Dalinar Kholin said: @_Stick_Why vote for Joe! That doesn't help us win this game. People can say we have to do it now, but if we lose Joe we lose discussion, plus if we hit an elim this turn we'll be in a much safer position to put a kill on Joe in the future, if we fail it won't really matter either way. How does that happen? :-P 24 minutes ago, Dalinar Kholin said: We mind as well wait as long as possible, and when we're in a confident position, or have lost, we can kill Joe Except that's exactly when we need to lynch someone who is not neutral so we have a better chance at winning. Waiting till then and lynching him = giving up. Ninjad by BR
cloudjumper he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 There are four or five elims left and five neutrals. If we lynch Joe and the Elims make a kill, then we have 8/9 elims and neutrals and 9/10 villagers. Assuming that there's at least one villager that doesn't come onto the same lucky bandwagon on an Elim that everyone else may or may not do, then the neutrals side with elims and force a hammer or tie, which then means an Elim win because they will outnumber the village. The game has ended if we lynch Joe. If we kill an Elim right here then we have a chance at winning. I would be open to several other possible lynch targets, but I will stick to Ecth right now because it looks like lynching him is the only alternative to laying down and dying.
Ecthelion III he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 The bandwagon on me is a little worrying; unfortunately for the village I'm just an ABC Smoker so it would have been better to kill a neutral anyway *shrug* I do wonder specifically why me of all the inactives? But if I get lynched then I won't have to worry about playing another game while GMing, so go ahead and see if confirming what I just told you is worth killing a villager.
Orlok Tsubodai Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 @cloudjumper, you assume that as neutrals, we'd vote with the eliminators. We'll be forced to do so, though, or at least to work in a way that hinders the village, unless this lynch goes through. If it does, we can stay to the side, and give you the breathing room to fight this out. @STINK, would you mind voting with us on this, given the help Wilson and I have given you?
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