Steeldancer he/him Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Elbereth said: Changing the topic slightly, I exist! The crisis that I had to drop out for is essentially over, or enough not to impact me enormously anymore. I may try to read through the backlog, but I don't think I ever finished even D1, so... that could be difficult. That said, I have been at least somewhat keeping up with the game through Orlok - I'm Eponine, and so we have a permanent PM with which he can keep me updated, conveniently. In response to this situation, I don't have much except that I definitely disagree with that suggestion, Flash. First off, from what I understand Striker could well be evil (which is presumably why he was lynched?), so you might be forcing the elims to kill a teammate. Secondly, that's disadvantaging and controlling them by forcing them to kill a specific target (even if that target is a village Seeker) rather than whomever they choose tonight. Much, much preferable to go with Hael's suggestion, if he or Alv don't think of something better. Note: I won't be perfectly active, still. I'm a bit occupied doing things with Orlok, which is slightly higher priority than the game. I'll keep up with it at least a bit more than I have, though. Just coming up with ideas. Also if you go into the day 5, I created a document that compiles all analysis so far. You can use it to catch up. Also what a coincidence the game reflects your real situation (sort of) lol Edited July 12, 2017 by The Flash
Haelbarde he/him Posted July 13, 2017 Author Posted July 13, 2017 Aaaaggghh.... ): My apologies for taking so long - twas a busy day... There's honestly no good solution here that I can think of, so I think I'm just going to go with what I *think* is the least bad option - Asterion assumes Striker's role/alignment, and Striker dies. And with that goes my apologies for making a mess of things. I'm very sorry. So the question becomes - do we need an extension to the night cycle? Would it be of value to discussion to have an extra 12-24 hours? From my perspective, night cycles haven't been tons fruitful thus far, and orders tend to come in the last 24ish (or really 12) hours anyway. I'd be of a mind to just keep it about normal. But to give people time to respond and stuff, I will push rollover back by 2.5 hours to the original time, just to give a bit more time for the time I've wasted in getting back to you.
Stick. she/her Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 'Tis fine Hael, humans aren't infallible :-P I don't think we need to extend the turn by too much or anything, an extra 2.5h is enough. Now. Aster is alive, it seems, and he now has Striker's alignment and role. :thonk: So whatever reads we had on Striker now apply to Aster, I guess.
Steeldancer he/him Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Which means I now want to kill aster. Sorry aster.
cloudjumper he/him Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) On 7/12/2017 at 4:59 AM, The Flash said: Well a GM error. Fantastic. Can we summon a GM? @Doc12 @Haelbarde hello we lynched StrikerEZ not Asterion (helpful though it is to know that indeed Asterion is not an elim) And there is no way that could be rioters. I know that for a fact. Um... what do we do if we're not able to summon the GM? Impartial mod? Hello? Ok. Fine. My suspicions now turn to CLOUDJUMPER. I saw you lurking yesterday, and yet you hardly said a word. Furthermore, when I addressed you, you hopped over to a different forum, so I know it wasn't just keeping your tab on or something. You only give your thoughts when forced to. And I will enumerate my other reasons for suspecting you once I get home from work. It appears you're home from work now, so could you state your reasons for suspicion on me please? Edited July 13, 2017 by cloudjumper
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 I'm not sure what to make of all this... Except that, seeing as I opposed the Striker lynch, I think I'd probably oppose lynching Aster too. Pending more info. Maybe I can make use of a night cycle to read more and do some analysis...
Stick. she/her Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 @Shqueeves I've seen you viewing the tread multiple times. Would you like to make your stance known?
Steeldancer he/him Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, cloudjumper said: It appears you're home from work now, so could you state your reasons for suspicion on me please? Ah right. Forgot about that. I'll go do that now. Excuse me for a moment. Ok first things first. Can I just mention how convenient my document makes everything? Instead of trawling through the thread to find cloudjumper's analysis, I literally just opened the document and tapped on the link that takes me straight to all his analysis. It's great guys. Anyway, Quote "I think our active players are mostly, or entirely village. "Hm I don't know about this one here. Usually at least two elims are active, because it's advantageous to do so. In my experience a contribution crusade rarely works, because elims draw attention to themselves by lurking, so they generally don't do it. Elims totally lurk. In fact, I'm pretty sure striker/ now asterion is an elim (simply because of the issue it caused, if they were both village would it be a big deal?) And striker was doing all sorts of lurking. Specifically, just posting enough to not be called out for inactivity. Maybe contributing a tidbit here or there. Yes I'm also addressing you here. As Aman said earlier, villagers should stick their neck out a bit to figure out what is going on. A passive approach to avoid suspicion is more what a good elim would do. Also, there is reverse suspicion. Elbereth, orlok, stink, joe, and Wilson are above suspicion, being neutrals. Arinian, Seonid, and Drake have events or said things that speak highly for them being villager or neutral, or just a confused villager. BR and Stick have provided enough analysis to be above suspicion. Furthermore, I spent a ton of time creating a resource that would not help me if I were an elim. And I know that I'm village. This leaves a list of people: Dalinar, Crimsn, Ecth, Araris, PK, Asterion (aka striker), Shqueeves, cloudjumper, and Elenion. Araris is invisible as usual, and Shqueeves is back so recently that he hasn't given anything alignment indicative. I am at least mildly suspicious of everyone else on this list. Asterion (acting as Striker) is my top suspicion, who I plan to vote on as soon as the day turn comes around. Elenion and Dalinar are only mild suspicions, as is Crimsn. PK has an early vote on Yitzi speaking for him (correct me if I'm wrong please). This leaves only a few people left; Ecth and Cloudjumper. Despite my annoyance at Ecthelions suspcion of me, I'm not getting an elim read from his posts. You, I have. When I set up a little safety net when I told Brightness my role, I was most suspicious of you. I may not be 100% accurate about how much you're lurking (blame my phone. Nothing to do with me). But you haven't exactly contributed anything valuable. And I am suspicious of you. @cloudjumper Edited July 13, 2017 by The Flash
cloudjumper he/him Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 34 minutes ago, The Flash said: Ah right. Forgot about that. I'll go do that now. Excuse me for a moment. Ok first things first. Can I just mention how convenient my document makes everything? Instead of trawling through the thread to find cloudjumper's analysis, I literally just opened the document and tapped on the link that takes me straight to all his analysis. It's great guys. Anyway, Elims totally lurk. In fact, I'm pretty sure striker/ now asterion is an elim (simply because of the issue it caused, if they were both village would it be a big deal?) And striker was doing all sorts of lurking. Specifically, just posting enough to not be called out for inactivity. Maybe contributing a tidbit here or there. Yes I'm also addressing you here. As Aman said earlier, villagers should stick their neck out a bit to figure out what is going on. A passive approach to avoid suspicion is more what a good elim would do. Also, there is reverse suspicion. Elbereth, orlok, stink, joe, and Wilson are above suspicion, being neutrals. Arinian, Seonid, and Drake have events or said things that speak highly for them being villager or neutral, or just a confused villager. BR and Stick have provided enough analysis to be above suspicion. Furthermore, I spent a ton of time creating a resource that would not help me if I were an elim. And I know that I'm village. This leaves a list of people: Dalinar, Crimsn, Ecth, Araris, PK, Asterion (aka striker), Shqueeves, cloudjumper, and Elenion. Araris is invisible as usual, and Shqueeves is back so recently that he hasn't given anything alignment indicative. I am at least mildly suspicious of everyone else on this list. Asterion (acting as Striker) is my top suspicion, who I plan to vote on as soon as the day turn comes around. Elenion and Dalinar are only mild suspicions, as is Crimsn. PK has an early vote on Yitzi speaking for him (correct me if I'm wrong please). This leaves only a few people left; Ecth and Cloudjumper. Despite my annoyance at Ecthelions suspcion of me, I'm not getting an elim read from his posts. You, I have. When I set up a little safety net when I told Brightness my role, I was most suspicious of you. I may not be 100% accurate about how much you're lurking (blame my phone. Nothing to do with me). But you haven't exactly contributed anything valuable. And I am suspicious of you. @cloudjumper Okay so you're suspicious of me because I lurk, don't post analysis, and because you were suspicious of me before. About being suspicious of me because you were suspicious of me earlier, I didn't catch where in the thread you said why exactly you were suspicious of me there. Could you specify now? Here's the link to a post I thought you were talking about.
Steeldancer he/him Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, cloudjumper said: Okay so you're suspicious of me because I lurk, don't post analysis, and because you were suspicious of me before. About being suspicious of me because you were suspicious of me earlier, I didn't catch where in the thread you said why exactly you were suspicious of me there. Could you specify now? Here's the link to a post I thought you were talking about. At that point it was paranoia. Now it's that you've voted once or twice in this whole game, one on day 2 on crimsn; Spoiler Hm evidence does seem to be for village!rand. Still, asterion doesn't seem elim in pms and posts to me. If asterion is revealed to be village then that would change things quite a bit. Doubt asterion is elim, would vote someone else. As asterion pointed out, lynch turnaround did seem kind of sketchy, so I would vote on someone who voted on Jon D1 and is voting on Rand today, like Crimsn, as both lynches seem to me like they have some kind of tampering involved And then I think (iirc)you voted on me last day. Which you never retracted despite my huge attempts at analysis. Furthermore, half of your posts have been filler posts- such as " I hate being wrong" or the vote talley. Even your attack on Crimsn is a flimsy one at best. Did you not catch the explanation that that vote change happened in about 2 minutes? I'm also not a fan about how you interpreted my one post as being "contribution crusade." When I said "most of the active people are probably village", and we've lynched many of our most active people, what are they? *gasp* they were village because talking that much as an elim is super risky!!! I wasn't going after people who hadnt said anything, I was going after people who were just enough into this game to send in the Elim kill, but also draw no suspicion. You've been around enough to make analysis and vote, but you haven't. Thus, I draw attention to you. If I'm alive in 2 days I'll be trying to lynch you. For now I'll go after Asterion. Also it feels like in the above post, you knew that they were village but were trying to hide it. Edited July 14, 2017 by The Flash
cloudjumper he/him Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 42 minutes ago, The Flash said: At that point it was paranoia. Now it's that you've voted once or twice in this whole game, one on day 2 on crimsn; Reveal hidden contents Hm evidence does seem to be for village!rand. Still, asterion doesn't seem elim in pms and posts to me. If asterion is revealed to be village then that would change things quite a bit. Doubt asterion is elim, would vote someone else. As asterion pointed out, lynch turnaround did seem kind of sketchy, so I would vote on someone who voted on Jon D1 and is voting on Rand today, like Crimsn, as both lynches seem to me like they have some kind of tampering involved And then I think (iirc)you voted on me last day. Which you never retracted despite my huge attempts at analysis. Look at the write-up. I'm also not a fan about how you interpreted my one post as being "contribution crusade." Of course your post itself wasn't contribution crusade, it was that you were implying that you wanted to do a contribution crusade. The statement that all or almost all active players are village implies a want to kill inactives, who you were saying had a higher chance of being Elims. When I said "most of the active people are probably village", and we've lynched many of our most active people, what are they? *gasp* they were village because talking that much as an elim is super risky!!! 1/5 of the people we lynched were an elim, which is pretty close to the ratio of people who are elims. I wasn't going after people who hadnt said anything, I was going after people who were just enough into this game to send in the Elim kill, but also draw no suspicion. My apologies, I seemed to have misinterpreted that. You've been around enough to make analysis and vote, but you haven't. Thus, I draw attention to you. If I'm alive in 2 days I'll be trying to lynch you. For now I'll go after Asterion. Also it feels like in the above post, you knew that they were village but were trying to hide it. Who was village? What post? Green is me Also I will probably be absent for another two hours or so, so if you see me lurking during that time, I am not actually lurking, just open to the tab.
asterion137 he/him Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 40 minutes ago, The Flash said: And then I think (iirc)you voted on me last day. Which you never retracted despite my huge attempts at analysis. Furthermore, half of your posts have been filler posts- such as " I hate being wrong" or the vote talley. Even your attack on Crimsn is a flimsy one at best. Did you not catch the explanation that that vote change happened in about 2 minutes? Hael's vote tallys have history. He didnt vote on you. His attack on crimsn was a legitimate one especially now that we know Yitzi's an elim. 41 minutes ago, The Flash said: When I said "most of the active people are probably village", and we've lynched many of our most active people, what are they? *gasp* they were village because talking that much as an elim is super risky!!! Unfortunately, this is exactly what contribution crusaders say when they try to lynch inactives. Giving a lot of analysis has no correlation with being village. It's better to look at what analysis contains, rather than policy lynching due to lack of analysis. Voting based on quantity, rather than quality, of analysis still counts as contribution crusading in my book. 44 minutes ago, The Flash said: I wasn't going after people who hadnt said anything, I was going after people who were just enough into this game to send in the Elim kill, but also draw no suspicion. This is cloud's meta. It just looks like inactivity since he was on vacation for a while and during the early cycles there was an insane number of posts.
Haelbarde he/him Posted July 14, 2017 Author Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) Day 6 Pending Asterion was killed. He was a Friend of the ABC, and a Tineye. (Note that this was Striker's original role/allignment) Cycle ends in ~45 hours. I have to shift it back to the earlier rollover so that I can be around to do it this cycle. PMs are still closed. Always check the thread first. Player List Spoiler Jay (The Flash) - has at least two steelminds - a ring, and a helmet Name Name (Straw) - has a name ABC Roleless Albin Brodeur (Jondesu) - Skaa Crew Member ABC Rioter Siv (Cloudjumper) - has unrealistic expectations Luigi (Shqueeves) - roots for the underdog Edmond Dantès (asterion137) - is seeking revenge for a wrongful imprisonment ABC Scavenger Carcer (Paranoid King) - is all for rebelion Dariend Castel (StrikerEZ) - walks a dark path ABC Tineye Roger Elariel (Elenion) - is not the Pauper Noble ABC Smoker Alonine (BrightnessRadiant) - is probably not the real Eponine Alrin (Arinian) Aimes (Araris Valerian) - in above his head, wants to fade away Bartolomeus Teki (randuir) - is slightly suspici... ABC Thug Darius Castel (Ecthelion III) - is self-centered, with a brother Keera Wilde (little Wilson) - fights for the right to be free! Siena Mattel (Seonid) - is running away from love Lukas Fehrweight (Drake Marshall) Altea Meza (Crimsn-Wolf) - here because she was told to Jack (A Joe in the Bush) Dandi (_Stick_) Kliff (TheMightyLopen) - roped into manning the barricade, possibly by a cousin? ABC Roleless Garshin (Yitzi2) - thinks he's in Elendel when he really isn't... Infiltrator Roleless Rorik (Dalinar Kholin) Mykal (Amanuensis) - is a missionary of the path ABC Scavenger Phil (STINK) - is simply Phil Julie (Arraenae) - is an idealistic student fresh out of college ABC Ringleader Locke Tekiel (OrlokTsubodai) Suterna (Elbereth) Player List (Sorted) Spoiler Jay (The Flash) - has at least two steelminds - a ring, and a helmet Siv (Cloudjumper) - has unrealistic expectations Luigi (Shqueeves) - roots for the underdog Carcer (Paranoid King) - is all for rebelion Alonine (BrightnessRadiant) - is probably not the real Eponine Alrin (Arinian) Aimes (Araris Valerian) - in above his head, wants to fade away Darius Castel (Ecthelion III) - is self-centered, with a brother Keera Wilde (little Wilson) - fights for the right to be free! Siena Mattel (Seonid) - is running away from love Lukas Fehrweight (Drake Marshall) Altea Meza (Crimsn-Wolf) - here because she was told to Jack (A Joe in the Bush) Dandi (_Stick_) Rorik (Dalinar Kholin) Phil (STINK) - is simply Phil Locke Tekiel (OrlokTsubodai) Suterna (Elbereth) Albin Brodeur (Jondesu) - Skaa Crew Member ABC Rioter Garshin (Yitzi2) - thinks he's in Elendel when he really isn't... Infiltrator Roleless Kliff (TheMightyLopen) - roped into manning the barricade, possibly by a cousin? ABC Roleless Name Name (Straw) - has a name ABC Roleless Mykal (Amanuensis) - is a missionary of the path ABC Scavenger Bartolomeus Teki (randuir) - is slightly suspici... ABC Thug Roger Elariel (Elenion) - is not the Pauper Noble ABC Smoker Julie (Arraenae) - is an idealistic student fresh out of college ABC Ringleader Dariend Castel (StrikerEZ) - walks a dark path ABC Tineye Edmond Dantès (asterion137) - is seeking revenge for a wrongful imprisonment ABC Scavenger Edited July 14, 2017 by Haelbarde 3
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) Hmm, the game is starting to stall. The neutrals are not helping keep it active, as most of us are inactive. Of the 22 Original Non-Neutrals, 12 remain. 1 Eliminator is dead, leaving either 3 or 4 left. Of the below thirteen players, (Including my Ward, who is disinclined to reveal himself) I suspect @The Flash, @Araris Valerian, and @Ecthelion III of being Eliminators. I will happily vote on any of them, but, as i said, the game is slowing down, and my first loyalty is to the Neutrals. So, if no Villagers get online to vote for someone they suspect, I will Vote for A Joe in the Bush since @little wilson is the last neutral who has not achieved her win condition. (Assuming @STINK managed to get another metal last night? Did you?) Jay (The Flash) - has at least two steelminds - a ring, and a helmet Siv (Cloudjumper) - has unrealistic expectations Luigi (Shqueeves) - roots for the underdog Carcer (Paranoid King) - is all for rebelion Alonine (BrightnessRadiant) - is probably not the real Eponine Alrin (Arinian) Aimes (Araris Valerian) - in above his head, wants to fade away Darius Castel (Ecthelion III) - is self-centered, with a brother Siena Mattel (Seonid) - is running away from love Lukas Fehrweight (Drake Marshall) Altea Meza (Crimsn-Wolf) - here because she was told to Dandi (_Stick_) Rorik (Dalinar Kholin) Neutrals Phil (STINK) - is simply Phil Has already Won Locke Tekiel (OrlokTsubodai) Is Winning Suterna (Elbereth) Has already Won Jack (A Joe in the Bush) Is Winning Keera Wilde (little Wilson) Needs to Win Edited July 14, 2017 by A Joe in the Bush 1
Stick. she/her Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Stink stole from me last night I do have some people I want to talk about, keeping last cycle's events in mind, including Cloud, Flash and PK. I'm working on it, but I'm going out right now so it may take some time. I'm all in for helping Wilson pursue her win con, though. If we don't get a good lynch target then I suppose we could go for it. 1
Steeldancer he/him Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Well I'm suitably confused now. I really thought striker/Asterion was an elim... Ok. Much as I would love to help the neutrals, I want something in return. We villagers are going to be wasting a lynch on a neutral, pausing our win condition to help yours. So, I want one elim name in return for my help with your win condition. a Joe in the bush
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 1 minute ago, The Flash said: Well I'm suitably confused now. I really thought striker/Asterion was an elim... Ok. Much as I would love to help the neutrals, I want something in return. We villagers are going to be wasting a lynch on a neutral, pausing our win condition to help yours. So, I want one elim name in return for my help with your win condition. a Joe in the bush You mistake my intentions Flash. I am lynching myself to force the village to provide an alternate lynch. I'm hoping to force discussion. So if you want an Elim name, you'll have to provide it yourself. I have already provided a list of my suspicions. 1
STINK he/him Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Yeah, I trusted the RNG aka Stole from Stick. Thanks! 1
Steeldancer he/him Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, A Joe in the Bush said: You mistake my intentions Flash. I am lynching myself to force the village to provide an alternate lynch. I'm hoping to force discussion. So if you want an Elim name, you'll have to provide it yourself. I have already provided a list of my suspicions. Wait so you don't actually want to die? Ok then. Nm, if you aren't giving me a name, I'm going after a Joe in the bush cloudjumper. I have already stated my reasons for being suspicious of him. Also a lot of gut read.
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Just now, The Flash said: Wait so you don't actually want to die? Ok then. Nm, if you aren't giving me a name, I'm going after a Joe in the bush cloudjumper. I have already stated my reasons for being suspicious of him. Also a lot of gut read. I do want to die, I just want the village to be in a better position first.
Steeldancer he/him Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, A Joe in the Bush said: I do want to die, I just want the village to be in a better position first. Which is why I said I would be willing to vote for a name. I know you neutrals must be in contact with at least one elim. To be honest, other than cloudjumper I don't really have anyone that I want to go after. I'm at a loss to do after that. Which is why I thought maybe we could make that mutually beneficial. You help us with our win condition, we help with Wilsons. And when you tell us the name, we would still vote on you, in a show of good faith. Then we could vote on the elim you (as in the neutrals) exposed the next day. it wouldn't necessarily win us the game, but right now we're kind of stuck. I think it's a great idea on my part.
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