Long Game 34: Allomancer

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Hadrian scowled. He had spent so long writing accounts of the events here in House Conrad that he had forgotten to participate in the day's discussion. However, it seemed to him that the place to start was with what he knew. Booken was innocent, and he was a pretty clear target for any Venture agents to take out without garnering suspicion. In his opinion, the people that went after him would be the place to start looking for any spies. Valbar had pointed out that Mila both accused Booken, and failed to realize that the Venture agents withheld their knife during the first night. Now, it stood to reason that country nobles wouldn't be nearly as competent as those from the city. But such incompetence could also be a disguise for a Venture agent, who would be expected to move fluidly through social circles.

"I say that Mila is a spy."

[Yitzi2]

Garshin looked at Hadrian.  "And on what basis do you say that?  Pretty much the only thing she's done that's remotely suspicious is thinking that Booken was a spy, and she wasn't even the first one to do that, Valbar was.  I do, however, find it interesting that the Venture agents didn't do anything that first night...almost as if they knew that Booken would be arrested.  And it's quite interesting, as well, how all of Locke's comments about Booken would be technically true if he were a Venture agent who planned things to play out how they have.  That would also explain why there was no arrest this past night, by the way."  I was not expecting to be made an Archivist for this trial...but perhaps it will turn out useful.

Orlok.

And @OrlokTsubodai, the above is halfway a poke vote, to encourage you to inform us why you did not carry out any arrest last night.  Arrests are useful for information (if not as reliable as lynches, as we've seen), and a whole lot less permanent than lynches.

(Edited to change the vote to a brighter shade of red.)

Edited June 4, 2017 by Yitzi2

[Elenion he/him]

I'm finally up to current, and Lopen's post at the top of this page doesn't sound right with regards to Brightness. As Yitzi said, you'd think an elim would start out by posting surprise about the lack of a kill in order to appear helpful, active, and maybe even direct village discussion the way the elims would want it to go. Brightness' error strikes me as a villager being either rushed or unfocused. Also, Lopen defended Cluny, who is also striking me as suspicious because of how certain he appears that the elims won't just off him in order to harvest the hemalurgic spike from the body. If I had to vote on somebody other than Lopen, it would be Cluny.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

I'll try and respond to the most recent posts soon, but I'm busy with LG33's rollover and other stuff right now, so it probably won't be for like, 5 hours or something.

[Stick. she/her]

The votes are tied :0 This means a no-lynch, right? Or do both players get lynched? I remember seonid clarifying this but I cant find it. Also, the way the votes are rn, the elims could easily sway the lynch in their favour if they have rioters/soothers. Other players really should cast their votes now.

Edited June 4, 2017 by _Stick_
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[Seonid he/him]

8 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

The votes are tied :0 This means a no-lynch, right? Or do both players get lynched? I remember seonid clarifying this but I cant find it. Also, the way the votes are rn, the elims could easy sway the lynch in their favour if they have rioters/soothers. Other players really should cast their votes now.

Ties are no lynch

[StrikerEZ he/him]

I'm not sure what to make of everything that's happened. Pretty much everyone else has voiced all my concerns. 

I definitely think it was quite suspicious that Orlok didn't use his detainment again. At first, I felt like Orlok was probably village, but the lack of a detainment going into this day just seems fishy to me. Other people have voiced my concerns about Orlok already, but I'll write out my reasons if someone deems it necessary (which I'm sure will happen). 

As for Cluny, it is a little suspicious of him to talk about the spike like that openly, and I think he has been acting slightly off since the start of the game, but I don't think that's because he is an elim. Either way, I feel that Cluny should be protected somehow, because that Seeker ability of his could be really handy down the road. 

[Ecthelion III he/him]

This whole thing about "Orlok not using his detainment is suspicious" seems a bit ridiculous to me, given that he hasn't posted at all this cycle and thus shouldn't be judged for not submitting an action out of the context of inactivity. Is it really all that suspicious to just be inactive?

Between him and Cluny, I say Cluny.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Apologies, everyone, for my inactivity. El has come to the UK, and I have spent the last three days with her. For those of you who are unaware, we are in a relationship, and I have been enjoying seeing her in person for the first time.

[Yitzi2]

I still find some of Orlok's language, and the fact that the elims planned on an arrest, fairly suspicious, but with an explanation for inactivity (including, I presume, the lack of an arrest), it isn't quite enough to vote for him any more this cycle.  (Still, please try to at least get online enough to do arrests and let us know what you find out.)  Orlok.

Edited June 4, 2017 by Yitzi2

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

Okay wow...a lot happened since I posted last night. 

I've gotta leave in like 45 min for evening service at church, but I figured I should probably not vote last min since I'll probably be gone till around 9/10 ish tonight. And the cycle ends at like 11? 

I don't have much time for a lot of analysis since I need to get ready to leave soon, but from what I can tell the vote seems like it's between dalinar, stick, orlok, and Cluny? Sorry if I'm wrong..with everyone removing votes and changing them I don't wanna risk a vote tally...I kinda showed how well I could do that last day cycle  (not well...in case you missed the sarcasm hehe)

I don't remember much that dalinar has posted besides saying I misunderstood something about the seeker? tbh I don't even know what I said wrong so yeah...I'm just confused about that power I guess? 

I'm not sure elim orlok would have chanced being that much in the limelight (when he detained pk and then pk was revealed village)...and I don't wanna lose a captain if he's village so I'd like to hold off on lynching him for now since I'm not overly suspicious of him.

I honestly don't have that much of a read on Cluny.

But I'd have to say I've gotten a weird feeling from a few things stick said so far:

1. She said that either pk or orlok had to be an elim but then didn't vote for either one until orlok claimed to be the captain. (Why didn't she want to vote if she was suspicious of one of them?)

2. Then she later tries to place suspicion on the people who voted for pk after orlok revealed captain, but that was a pretty big list of us who did that. I usually wait a litttle before voting because I like to hear other's thoughts and opinions before I vote..but if I already claim my suspicions of someone in thread....I usually try to vote then. Sometimes I wait so I can do more of a read through of what has happened so far in the game. (Past cycles, etc.) I'm just saying voting later rather than sooner doesn't necessarily make us evil, but if she suspected one of us then why didn't she vote here either? She seems slightly inconsistent to me. 

3. Also when she said that the couriers should only make pms with themselves in them for a while that seemed a little off to me too. Could she have been trying to get the couriers to reveal themselves? Or possibly be an elim courier trying to give herself an excuse to stay in all of her pms?

I think so far these are really the main things that stood out to me as far as someone being suspicious, so I guess I'll be voting stick.

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Okay, so I've decided that I might as well come out and do a role reveal, to help explain why I'm so supicious of Orlok.

I'm a lurcher, and I figured that first night that Orlok was a villager, as it didn't quite make sense for him to be an elim (though I was still suspicious), and I figured I'd protect him as he was a captain, and we need those early on and farther into the game. I assumed that if Orlok were village, the elims would try to take him out, as he could possibly detain one of them (I'm ignoring the lack of a detainment last night because of his reasons). I was so sure that he would've been attacked, but he never was. Which honestly leads me to believe that he might be an elim.

If he were an elim, it makes sense to me that they would target someone who had been fairly inactive the last day, and someone who hadn't voted on him as an elim that day as well, so as to help draw suspicions away from him. That, along with Orlok being one of the first to gang up on PK and the late role claim, lead me to believe that Orlok is an elim.

EDIT: Ninja'd by BrightnessRadiant

Edited June 4, 2017 by StrikerEZ

[Sart he/him]

7 hours ago, Cluny the Scourge said:

Sorry about the delay-- My internet was down and great-grandma Mimi died.

What I tried to say last turn-- There can be more than one captain.

I am pretty sure that the elims have a captain, especially if it is chosen through the dice. ( @Seonid Are the dice in this game as bloodthirsty?)

Okay I have spent every spare minute of my spare time trying to catch up in the thread. (Except for important things like going the bathroom. ) Here we go:

This sums up my early suspicions of you.

You also appear to be a new at SE, but possibly got advice from your buddies when you talked the doc that you should not say that you are new?

Interesting time to point this out, meethinks.

 

This is the correct point of view to take, but why do you only take this point of view later?

Your whole thing about venture agents implanting spikes cleared you a few times in my mind, more specifically when you were proved wrong.

Overall, I am about 55% suspicious of you. I am not going to vote on you this turn, until I see something that sets me off.

I do not want to die but I will die to help the village.

Here is my way to help the village: I implanted a hemalurgic spike. I am now a seeker. Vote in orange who you want me to target. I will target them with my seeking until they burn a metal or until the vote moves to someone else. (Remember I can only seek during the night turn.) I am counting on not being killed by the elims because they can use me as well. @Seonid can you put a little spot in the writeup for me? (Cluny discovered that ____ is implanted with a hemalurgic spike and burned allomantic pewter last turn...) etc.

 

EDIT: If anyone can get me metals, please do. (For this turn, I do not have any Bronze.)

I.. that doesn't make any sense. You don't have any Bronze. The only people who have Bronze are Seekers. If Ornstein was our only Metallurgist, we won't get any more Bronze. Even if you get some Bronze, no one will be burning metal if our supply has dried up. And we have no way of knowing if you're telling the truth if you are actually following through on that bargain. I think you were trying to get out of a lynch by lying. Cluny I think you're a thief or a spy.

20 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Okay, so I've decided that I might as well come out and do a role reveal, to help explain why I'm so supicious of Orlok.

I'm a lurcher, and I figured that first night that Orlok was a villager, as it didn't quite make sense for him to be an elim (though I was still suspicious), and I figured I'd protect him as he was a captain, and we need those early on and farther into the game. I assumed that if Orlok were village, the elims would try to take him out, as he could possibly detain one of them (I'm ignoring the lack of a detainment last night because of his reasons). I was so sure that he would've been attacked, but he never was. Which honestly leads me to believe that he might be an elim.

If he were an elim, it makes sense to me that they would target someone who had been fairly inactive the last day, and someone who hadn't voted on him as an elim that day as well, so as to help draw suspicions away from him. That, along with Orlok being one of the first to gang up on PK and the late role claim, lead me to believe that Orlok is an elim.

EDIT: Ninja'd by BrightnessRadiant

Not the greatest logic. An eliminator will probably not go after a trusted player if they suspect he is protected. After not having a kill the first cycle, they probably went after a lurker to try to guarantee a death.

[StrikerEZ he/him]

5 minutes ago, Sart said:

Not the greatest logic. An eliminator will probably not go after a trusted player if they suspect he is protected. After not having a kill the first cycle, they probably went after a lurker to try to guarantee a death.

Hmm...true, I guess. I still think that Orlok was suspicious either way, so I'm keeping my vote.

[Metacognition he/him]

Sorry I haven't been around everyone! This weekend has been quite crazy for me. I promise to get caught up tomorrow and get back into it. Again, I'm really sorry. 

[Stick. she/her]

35 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

1.She said that either pk or orlok had to be an elim but then didn't vote for either one until orlok claimed to be the captain. (Why didn't she want to vote if she was suspicious of one of them?)

2. Then she later tries to place suspicion on the people who voted for pk after orlok revealed captain, but that was a pretty big list of us who did that. I usually wait a litttle before voting because I like to hear other's thoughts and opinions before I vote..but if I already claim my suspicions of someone in thread....I usually try to vote then. Sometimes I wait so I can do more of a read through of what has happened so far in the game. (Past cycles, etc.) I'm just saying voting later rather than sooner doesn't necessarily make us evil, but if she suspected one of us then why didn't she vote here either? She seems slightly inconsistent to me. 

3. Also when she said that the couriers should only make pms with themselves in them for a while that seemed a little off to me too. Could she have been trying to get the couriers to reveal themselves? Or possibly be an elim courier trying to give herself an excuse to stay in all of her pms?

I think so far these are really the main things that stood out to me as far as someone being suspicious, so I guess I'll be voting stick.

1. I was just listing down possibilities and what they might mean. In that post, I clearly stated that I'm not sure what to do and whom to vote on.

2. Other people (can't remember who) had proposed the idea of elims being present among those voters first, and I literally answered the exact question your asking here in my previous post, in response to lopen. :-P 

3. I don't get what you mean by the elim courier thing. I could make as many pms as I want between myself and other players without confessing to being a courier at all. I wouldn't need to make up an excuse for couriers to include themselves in PMs, make PMs with other players, and then tell them I'm a courier. Also, I could see why an elim would want the couriers to reveal themselves; they're quite important for the village. I am a courier, btw.

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

Sorry everyone! Been preoccupied with other things lately. Do we have a vote tally?

[Steeldancer he/him]

Stick, if you're a courier and not a elim, and you don't die, I need a PM. With somebody village. 

[Yitzi2]

2 minutes ago, The Flash said:

Stick, if you're a courier and not a elim, and you don't die, I need a PM. With somebody village. 

Perhaps with me?

[Steeldancer he/him]

Just now, Yitzi2 said:

Perhaps with me?

Idrc. As long as I can confirm them village, i need a PM with them. I need to be able to discuss things with someone I trust. 

[Sparkrunner he/him]

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I.. that doesn't make any sense. You don't have any Bronze. The only people who have Bronze are Seekers. If Ornstein was our only Metallurgist, we won't get any more Bronze. Even if you get some Bronze, no one will be burning metal if our supply has dried up. And we have no way of knowing if you're telling the truth if you are actually following through on that bargain. I think you were trying to get out of a lynch by lying. Cluny I think you're a thief or a spy.

Only one way to find out if more metals are available-- wait till the night turn. If our supply of metals has indeed dried up, then we are back to killing people one by one, with no role abilities, just the lynch and venture kill. No, you do not have any way to know if I am telling the truth. Thank you for stating that blindingly obvious fact. I am sure that the rules do not state "The lying and bluffing and deception are part of the game." (Or something like that.) I suppose now you will just have to trust me. Oh my goodness, what a horrible thought. Is that not what you have to do already?

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I think you were trying to get out of a lynch by lying.

I was trying to get out of a lynch. I was not lying. If a lynch starts against me, I will vote on myself, so lynch me at an opportune time, preferably when either me or some other person has to be lying. Get information out of me. ( @BrightnessRadiant take a look at this! Do you like my death RP?)

 

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

Okay, it's not exactly a vote tally, but the people who have been voted on are Cluny, Stick, Dalinar, Lopen, and Orlok. I'll give my thoughts on each of them, but it's mostly a gut read. I promise I'll be more active from now on.

Cluny: It has been all over the place for him. At first, he seemed pretty off, but after he role-claimed and even offered his ability to the public, I've been leaning village-ish on him. It certainly doesn't seem like an Elim move to me, but after LG33... villager-ish read for now.

Stick: Apparently she has been calling people out... I'm not finding that very alignment indicative, but I should probably go back and take a closer look. Neutral read.

Dalinar: His thought game/puzzle on Elims is interesting, but could also be a clever ploy to draw attention to villagers. His choices of Elims are suspicious in my mind, though, so I'm conflicted. Really though, I'm somewhat leaning Elim on him.

EDIT: Dalinar is now sounding more evil to me, now that I've read through more posts. He is piggybacking off of Lopen, which is strange, because Lopen's reason for voting on Stick wasn't all that great. This on top of my already Elim gut feeling is waving red flags.

Lopen: I don't know. He has been contributing to discussion, but his vote on Stick I'm not sure about. I don't think it is really something to be worried about right now. Neutral read.

Orlok: After he claimed Captain and PK turned out to be Village, Orlok has been getting an evil gut read. Sure, it would be foolish for an Elim to make such a gamble in the early game, and Orlok is certainly not a sloppy player, I don't know. It wouldn't be good to lose a Village Captain, but perhaps he want's us to get all worked up about the ups and downs of his role, etc, that we skip over him even though his is actually an Elim. I'm confused, but leaning Elim.

EDIT: Okay, I'm going to vote. For reasons stated above, I think Dalinar is suspicious.

Edited June 5, 2017 by Hemalurgic_Headshot
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[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

@StrikerEZ haha wow you posted like immediately after me! That was weird!  I had to leave right after I posted though so I didn't have internet after you posted lol

@_Stick_ thanks for answering my questions! (Oops didn't mean to repeat Lopen  I was in a hurry lol) okay so I was right about you being a courier lol...but after you took the time to explain yourself, plus you actually went and publicly role claimed which is dangerous for you, I'm starting to lean more village on you so stick ...the reason I was saying that putting yourself in all of the pms would give away your role is because if you end up being in multiple pms with elims somehow than they would prob guess that you were the courier. I just thought it sounded a little dangerous for the couriers to not remain slightly anonymous if they could. Hopefully you claiming publicly won't get you in too much trouble! Although, the elims would probably like to use the couriers too so it's probably not as dangerous as I thought at first.

@Cluny the Scourge nice death RP Cluny! Also sorry, but I'm glad you finally died in that game hahahaha!  (good job lasting so long though!)

Okay so I guess since I removed my vote from stick I should probably go read through the thread ...more extensively this time lol. I'm not as pressed for time now, but I need to eat and than I will be back on to vote....again 

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

6 hours ago, Elenion said:

I'm finally up to current, and Lopen's post at the top of this page doesn't sound right with regards to Brightness. As Yitzi said, you'd think an elim would start out by posting surprise about the lack of a kill in order to appear helpful, active, and maybe even direct village discussion the way the elims would want it to go. Brightness' error strikes me as a villager being either rushed or unfocused. Also, Lopen defended Cluny, who is also striking me as suspicious because of how certain he appears that the elims won't just off him in order to harvest the hemalurgic spike from the body. If I had to vote on somebody other than Lopen, it would be Cluny.

I wouldn't think that...  I can see your and Yitzi's point, but I feel differently about it.

Here's another defense of Cluny I suppose - if you thought you were about to be lynched, would you really worry about being killed off by the eliminators? Eliminators almost always leave suspicious villagers alive to distract the village.

I didn't realize eliminators got items off of the dead? @Seonid, do the Venture Agents get the items of their victims? Spikes? Vials? Both?

Here's a vote tally:

Cluny(2): Flash, Jondesu, Ecth, Sart
Stick(2): Lopen, Dalinar, Brightness
Dalinar(3): Stick, Jondesu, HH
Brightness(1): Araris
Orlok(1): Yitzi, Striker
Lopen(1): Elenion

I kind of like how close the votes are.  Between the top 3 candidates, I think I'm most suspicious of Dalinar, then Stick, then Cluny. However, I'm gonna leave my vote where it is for now to see what happens. 

[Seonid he/him]

31 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

I wouldn't think that...  I can see your and Yitzi's point, but I feel differently about it.

Here's another defense of Cluny I suppose - if you thought you were about to be lynched, would you really worry about being killed off by the eliminators? Eliminators almost always leave suspicious villagers alive to distract the village.

I didn't realize eliminators got items off of the dead? @Seonid, do the Venture Agents get the items of their victims? Spikes? Vials? Both?

Here's a vote tally:

Cluny(2): Flash, Jondesu, Ecth, Sart
Stick(2): Lopen, Dalinar, Brightness
Dalinar(3): Stick, Jondesu, HH
Brightness(1): Araris
Orlok(1): Yitzi, Striker
Lopen(1): Elenion

I kind of like how close the votes are.  Between the top 3 candidates, I think I'm most suspicious of Dalinar, then Stick, then Cluny. However, I'm gonna leave my vote where it is for now to see what happens. 

A dead players vials area revived from the game. Spikes go to the player who killed them,  or randomly distributed among the players that voted for them (if they are a lynch victim)