Long Game 34: Allomancer

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Well...that's not quite what I was expecting to learn from that lynch. I can't believe we wasted a Seeker. Darn.

Well, tonight's gonna be an interesting night, I guess....

Edited June 2, 2017 by StrikerEZ

[Seonid he/him]

Due to a stupid mistake by yours truly, it was reported that Allomantic Tin was avaiable for order. This is not true. Allomantic Pewter is instead available to order. My apologies to anybody affected by this mistake.

[Metacognition he/him]

Mehir just shook his head sadly. He would remember this. If it seemed too good to be true in the future, he'd exercise a bit more caution. He wouldn't allow himself to fall for the same trick twice. 

The news wasn't all bad though. He felt pretty confident that he could trust Locke after all this. After all, as he surmised during the day, Locke putting himself out there to receive all the blame given the possibility of this exact type of situation didn't seem like a smart move if he was a Venture Spy; not when he could've just as easily stayed in the shadows with the same effect. In fact, if he had been a Venture Spy, staying in the shadows could've yielded an even better effect, considering the rest of the guards would've been looking for a traitorous Captain and they might've killed yet another innocent Captain before getting around to him. 

So while Mehir was still saddened by the death of Booken, he squared his shoulders. He needed to look forward, not back. He set off to hopefully find a Courier. He'd need one to be able to communicate effectively with Locke in the future since it was much easier to get his thoughts across when writing them down than through pantomime. 

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So that means that the only two scenarios left are that they didn't send in the kill last night on purpose or they didn't send it because of inactivity. As other people have already said, I highly doubt that their entire team is inactive, though if any Coinshots want to pick some off to be sure, I won't complain. 

Also, as stated up above, but I want to make it perfectly clear, if there are any Couriers out there, I would like a PM with Orlok, if you would be so kind. He's my best lead to having a confirmed villager at this point and if the Ventures are this tricky already, communication is going to be important. So the sooner we get people in contact with each other the better. This also works in your (the Courier's) favor, because if you're not in every PM you start, you'll be less likely to accidentally give yourself away to the Ventures. 

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

Okay so wait...pk wasn't an elim? 

Why in the world did the elims not send in a kill order then?! I don't get it. If it was just to mess with our heads?? Ugh.

How are we supposed to figure out who to vote for now? Literally almost everyone voted for pk. Is that why they did it? So they could hide among the villagers for the first lynch? 

Well I guess we have to do the night cycle before we can vote again anyways so...as I said before this is my first game with day and night cycles, and I'm still a little confused about what we're even supposed to talk about during the night cycle?

Who people should use their actions on, I guess?

I gotta sleep now, but I'll just wait for others to post and I'll be back on tomorrow to figure out how to join in the conversation from there. Goodnight all!

[Steeldancer he/him]

Well now I only have 1 game to focus on. Lol. Anyway, darn, are the elims really trying to mess with us??? Because if so, its working. 

[Stick. she/her]

Rusts. RUSTS. Last night, I had a dream in which PK turned out to be a villager. I randomly woke up in the middle of the night, checked the thread, and went back to sleep. Then I see this in the morning, after the rollover >> Should've listened to my brain giving me signals...

A few quotes from last turn:

BR:

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(Night) Couriers should be looking to put trusted villagers in pms so they can work in secret from the elims. (I'm a huge supporter of village pms! The thread is too open for my liking. You can't ever plan anything to trick the elims. Maybe find a tin eye so you can relay his findings and keep him safe?)

I agree, though this early in the game, I doubt the courier would know who to trust (assuming they're village). So I guess they should make PMs that includes themselves and another player until we have a few soft cleared villagers?

(Night) Coinshots should be very careful with their targets...we don't want someone being trigger happy lol

(Night) 3. It would be awesome if tineyes and seekers could work together! The tineye can see who the target was and the seeker can find out what metal they burned. That way you know the whole story.

(Day & Night) 4. Mistborn are awesome  

(Night) 5. Am I correct in assuming that the metallurgist knows what metals EVERYONE is obtaining!?  (but can they really be trusted cuz they are looking out for themselves right??)

Yup. Though sometimes, they choose sides.

(Night) 6. Also the thieves have the survival condition too. (Watch them )

(Day) 7. We should probably be careful not to have too close of lynches because they're are a lot of vote manipulation powers...well only two but still lol (who knows how many people have those abilities right?)

(Day) 8. The thugs can basically live forever right lol

Not really, if they have more than one kill targeting them.

(Night) 9. Lurchers and smokers should probably try to protect the biggest high risk targets...like the people who are pretty much confirmed village or the ones with really great powers for the village.

(Night) 10. The hazekillers should probably wait to use their abilities until it's absolutely needed cuz they only get one shot at it.

(Night) 11. Captains have an awesome ability to block people we afraid of lol 

Jondesu:

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I guess actually the most suspicious thing for me is Cluny's major edit to his post (in the future, @Cluny the Scourge, don't edit your post if it's going to be a big change, just post again and explain the mistake, because it leads to situations like this), since he changed his vote target fairly significantly, and reasoning.  That sounds like a relatively new player (which he is) getting tips in the Elim doc, and coming back here to implement the changes.  For now, Cluny the Scourge has my vote, but like any Day 1, it's not with much confidence.  I also know he's not going to be lynched this cycle, but I don't see any point in adding to the PK bandwagon now that there's little to no chance of voting shenanigans, and I don't want to vote for someone I genuinely think is village and just unlucky.

I guess they got confused with the double-vote mechanic from LG33, but I agree that there's something off about the fact that they chose to remove their vote off Orlok and not Flash.

 

So, we lost a seeker. Would've been nice if PK told us if he used his vial targeted anyone on N0. Hm. Did anyone have a PM with him?

1 hour ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

Why in the world did the elims not send in a kill order then?! I don't get it. If it was just to mess with our heads?? Ugh.

I think the most likely explanation is that they forgot. Or messed up with the rollover time. CoughFlashCough.

1 hour ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

How are we supposed to figure out who to vote for now? Literally almost everyone voted for pk. Is that why they did it? So they could hide among the villagers for the first lynch? 

I think they'd be one of the late voters, the ones after orlok claimed to have detained him, maybe? Also, Jond's vote on Cluny was soothed

Vote tally from last turn:

Dalinar-(1) Lopen

PK- (13) Orlok, Flash, Cloudjumper, Stick, Elenion, Meta, Ecth, Brightness, StrikerEZ, PK, HH, Manukos, Araris

Flash-(1) Cluny

Ecthelion-(1) Sart

Cluny (1)- Jondesu

Dalinar (1) Lopen

 

Vote tally from the write-up:

Paranoid King (13)- Hemalurgic Headshot, The Flash, Manukos, Ecthelion III, Paranoid King, cloudjumper, _Stick_, OrlokTsubodai, StrikerEZ, Elenion, Araris Valerian, Metacognition, BrightnessRadiant

Dalinar Kholin (1)- TheMightyLopen

The Flash (1)- Cluny the Scourge

Ecthelion (1)- Sart

 

[Steeldancer he/him]

7 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Rusts. RUSTS. Last night, I had a dream in which PK turned out to be a villager. I randomly woke up in the middle of the night, checked the thread, and went back to sleep. Then I see this in the morning, after the rollover >> Should've listened to my brain giving me signals...

A few quotes from last turn:

BR:

Jondesu:

I guess they got confused with the double-vote mechanic from LG33, but I agree that there's something off about the fact that they chose to remove their vote off Orlok and not Flash.

 

So, we lost a seeker. Would've been nice if PK told us if he used his vial targeted anyone on N0. Hm. Did anyone have a PM with him?

I think the most likely explanation is that they forgot. Or messed up with the rollover time. CoughFlashCough.

I think they'd be one of the late voters, the ones after orlok claimed to have detained him, maybe? Also, Jond's vote on Cluny was soothed

Vote tally from last turn:

Dalinar-(1) Lopen

PK- (13) Orlok, Flash, Cloudjumper, Stick, Elenion, Meta, Ecth, Brightness, StrikerEZ, PK, HH, Manukos, Araris

Flash-(1) Cluny

Ecthelion-(1) Sart

Cluny (1)- Jondesu

Dalinar (1) Lopen

 

Vote tally from the write-up:

Paranoid King (13)- Hemalurgic Headshot, The Flash, Manukos, Ecthelion III, Paranoid King, cloudjumper, _Stick_, OrlokTsubodai, StrikerEZ, Elenion, Araris Valerian, Metacognition, BrightnessRadiant

Dalinar Kholin (1)- TheMightyLopen

The Flash (1)- Cluny the Scourge

Ecthelion (1)- Sart

 

Oh come on I promise I'm not an elim this time. If I were an elim, don't you think one of the other elims would have noticed the rollover time was coming? Unless i and the rest of the elims are complete idiots. But I'm not an elim, nor am I an idiot. I just forgot that 0:00:00 on a day is midnight at the BEGINNING of the day, not midnight at the end of the day. Unless the elims ALL made that mistake (which I find unlikely), and are all in the time zone as me (which is part of what caused my confusion) then that's not what is going on. For some reason or another, they want to mess with us. Although for the life of me I have no ideas as for why the elims wouldn't want to get straight to work taking people out. It just seems plain inefficient. 

And you know what I find to be extremely weird? Stick, thanks for noticing that the vote on cluny had been soothed. Very odd... very odd indeed. 

Edited June 2, 2017 by The Flash

[Stick. she/her]

Okay I didn't complete my post and hit submit by mistake >>

I was going to say that while the majority of the elims must've voted on PK along with the rest of us, there must be some of them who hadn't, right? That would make them appear as villagers who didn't vote on PK (another villager).

Yitzi, Ornstein, Drough and Dalinar didnt vote at all last cycle. They havent posted in the thread either [with the exception of Yitzi]

Lopen, Cluny, Sart and Jondesu voted on players that aren't PK. Jond's vote got soothed, for whatever reason. @Cluny the Scourge any clue why?

7 minutes ago, The Flash said:

Oh come on I promise I'm not an elim this time. If I were an elim, don't you think one of the other elims would have noticed the rollover time was coming? Unless i and the rest of the elims are complete idiots. But I'm not an elim, nor am I an idiot. I just forgot that 0:00:00 on a day is midnight at the BEGINNING of the day, not midnight at the end of the day. Unless the elims ALL made that mistake (which I find unlikely), and are all in the time zone as me (which is part of what caused my confusion) then that's not what is going on. For some reason or another, they want to mess with us. Although for the life of me I have no ideas as for why the elims wouldn't want to get straight to work taking people out. It just seems plain inefficient. 

[Steeldancer he/him]

3 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Okay I didn't complete my post and hit submit by mistake >>

I was going to say that while the majority of the elims must've voted on PK along with the rest of us, there must be some of them who hadn't, right? That would make them appear as villagers who didn't vote on PK (another villager).

Yitzi, Ornstein, Drough and Dalinar didnt vote at all last cycle. They havent posted in the thread either [with the exception of Yitzi]

Lopen, Cluny, Sart and Jondesu voted on players that aren't PK. Jond's vote got soothed, for whatever reason. @Cluny the Scourge any clue why?

Of course there is always the possibility that they all were busy putting in spikes. 

[Stick. she/her]

11 minutes ago, The Flash said:

Of course there is always the possibility that they all were busy putting in spikes. 

Yeah . Though possessing spikes doesn't necessarily mean they're evil.

[Steeldancer he/him]

Just now, _Stick_ said:

Yeah . Though possessing spikes doesn't necessarily mean they're evil.

No. They aren't evil because they have spikes. Perhaps they have spikes because they are evil. 

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Yitzi, Ornstein, Drough and Dalinar didnt vote at all last cycle. They havent posted in the thread either

my excuse, i forgot that this game existed. sorry.

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

Marv... Marv was horrified. He checked his pocket to see if his stone was still there. It was, somehow, after all of that frenzied rubbing. It-- it started out just a night with the guys, a few rounds... and then... and...Marv shuddered, grabbed his face with his hands, and curled into the fetal position, whispering to himself. Faintly, he heard footsteps, and he quickly sat up and attempted to stem his quiet sobs and fix his hair. The footsteps passed outside the door and continued onward. Marv let out a shaky sigh. He looked at his hands. There was metaphorical blood on them. This was not the job he signed up for. 

He looked up suddenly. It must have been them who coaxed him into the mob, that one last drink... Marv rubbed his head; the hangover hadn't quite gone away yet. No more alcohol, ever. Not after tonight, no, not at all.

[Steeldancer he/him]

50 minutes ago, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

Marv... Marv was horrified. He checked his pocket to see if his stone was still there. It was, somehow, after all of that frenzied rubbing. It-- it started out just a night with the guys, a few rounds... and then... and...Marv shuddered, grabbed his face with his hands, and curled into the fetal position, whispering to himself. Faintly, he heard footsteps, and he quickly sat up and attempted to stem his quiet sobs and fix his hair. The footsteps passed outside the door and continued onward. Marv let out a shaky sigh. He looked at his hands. There was metaphorical blood on them. This was not the job he signed up for. 

He looked up suddenly. It must have been them who coaxed him into the mob, that one last drink... Marv rubbed his head; the hangover hadn't quite gone away yet. No more alcohol, ever. Not after tonight, no, not at all.

 Barry watched Marv rub his head. He felt bad about being one of the first to speak to about Booken, but something had had to be done. He wondered if the Ventures would strike tonight. He would stay vigilant. 

I would also appreciate being put into a PM with cloudjumper or stick, if any couriers don't mind.

Edited June 2, 2017 by The Flash

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Absolen was quite horrified. It was not every day that you become part of a mob. He barely remembered what had happened, but  he remembered that several of the guards, himself included, had gone out for a drink. He didn't even remember how many drink water he had, but he must've been coerced into having a few too many. 

He shivered, remembering the horrible things they'd done to Booken, all because they had believed that he had been a Venture spy. He'd try to protect as many people from now on, because he figured that the Ventures must've had some sort of hand in this unfair killing of Booken. 

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I'm still not sure what to make of this whole situation. I don't think Orlok is an elim anymore. That would've given them away. But I honestly don't know what to think.

[Jondesu he/him]

I'll probably not be able to do much coherent posting today (another out-of-town doctors appointment will take up most of my day), so this is my chance, though I'm still waking up.

I think it's probable that the Elims were trying to confuse us, and help keep themselves from being pegged based on who they chose for a first night kill (some people tend to go for experienced and threatening players, others have sympathy towards those who get eliminated early and will go for other players, etc), or that they messed up with the rollover. That seems fairly unlikely too, honestly, since they would have had plenty of time to decide on a target and they didn't need to wait until rollover, but it's possible. Kudos to Stick, I hadn't thought of that option.

As for my vote on Cluny being soothed. I don't know that it's safe for the soother to reveal themselves (though soothing isn't a huge threat to the Elims early, it can be a game changer later when there's fewer people), but if Cluny asked someone to soothe the vote off him, that'd be nice to know. I don't know how likely it is the Elims have a soother (or Mistborn, although that would make the lack of a kill even more baffling if they do), but it's possible they were trying to make Cluny look guilty. After all, he wasn't actually in danger with only two votes on him. That honestly lessens my suspicion of him, though I won't rule out a somewhat inexperienced Elim still soothing a vote off themselves.

That's all I've got for now. Some of the Elims were certainly part of the bandwagon on PK, maybe all (since sometimes voting for someone else can make you look suspicious when the bandwagon is that big), but probably 1-2 at least voted for someone else or didn't vote. No ideas at this point for sorting those out right now, though.

[Yitzi2]

The soothe on Cluny could very well have been done after the point where Booken was certain to be lynched.

Question: Did any village Hazekillers use their ability night 0?  That would explain the lack of a n0 kill.  The only other possibilities I can think of are that the elims decided to mess with the village (unlikely they'd sacrifice a kill for that), or that they all had something else to do (i.e. that they all have either spikes or night roles).

The loss of a seeker is less harmful than in most games, since it isn't an alignment indicator.

[Seonid he/him]

The missing vote was a GM mistake.  I'll fix it when I'm not on mobile.

[Steeldancer he/him]

Oh. Ok then, not soothed. I thought it was weird for an allomancer to waste their time like that. 

[Sparkrunner he/him]

6 hours ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

If it was just to mess with our heads?? Ugh.

Yes. My vote is on everyone who discarded the theory that they were doing this just to mess with us. I was evil once, and evil people are very tricky.

 

1 hour ago, Jondesu said:

As for my vote on Cluny being soothed. I don't know that it's safe for the soother to reveal themselves (though soothing isn't a huge threat to the Elims early, it can be a game changer later when there's fewer people), but if Cluny asked someone to soothe the vote off him, that'd be nice to know. I don't know how likely it is the Elims have a soother (or Mistborn, although that would make the lack of a kill even more baffling if they do), but it's possible they were trying to make Cluny look guilty. After all, he wasn't actually in danger with only two votes on him. That honestly lessens my suspicion of him, though I won't rule out a somewhat inexperienced Elim still soothing a vote off themselves.

 

1 minute ago, Seonid said:

The missing vote was a GM mistake.  I'll fix it when I'm not on mobile.

That's what you get for making such long votes Jondesu

 

I think that the elims will have at least one captain, and I kind of think that that captain detained PK. PK was the most suspicious in that first turn with all his hemalurgic messing around, and so people would think that PK was suspicious already, thus they detain him, withhold the sabotage and make us lynch him. Very subtle. My vote will still be on Flash, he is my suspicion.

[Steeldancer he/him]

7 minutes ago, Cluny the Scourge said:

Yes. My vote is on everyone who discarded the theory that they were doing this just to mess with us. I was evil once, and evil people are very tricky.

 

 

That's what you get for making such long votes Jondesu

 

I think that the elims will have at least one captain, and I kind of think that that captain detained PK. PK was the most suspicious in that first turn with all his hemalurgic messing around, and so people would think that PK was suspicious already, thus they detain him, withhold the sabotage and make us lynch him. Very subtle. My vote will still be on Flash, he is my suspicion.

Orlok said he is the captain. And why do you suspect me again?

Edited June 2, 2017 by The Flash

[Seonid he/him]

Vote discrepancy has been fixed and edited

[Jondesu he/him]

36 minutes ago, Seonid said:

The missing vote was a GM mistake.  I'll fix it when I'm not on mobile.

Ah, ok, that makes more sense.  Well, discard all that logic about possible soothers trying to implicate Cluny.  That means I'm still a bit suspicious.

[Steeldancer he/him]

5 minutes ago, Jondesu said:

Ah, ok, that makes more sense.  Well, discard all that logic about possible soothers trying to implicate Cluny.  That means I'm still a bit suspicious.

Same, unless he answers why he suspects me. 

Barry shouted into the dark. "Come face me with your accusations like a man!"

[Stick. she/her]

1 hour ago, Cluny the Scourge said:

I think that the elims will have at least one captain, and I kind of think that that captain detained PK. PK was the most suspicious in that first turn with all his hemalurgic messing around, and so people would think that PK was suspicious already, thus they detain him, withhold the sabotage and make us lynch him. Very subtle. My vote will still be on Flash, he is my suspicion.

I don't think the stuff in N0 alone made anyone suspicious of PK, it was mostly the detainment. Also, as Flash already pointed out, Orlok claimed to be the captain. So you think Orlok is an elim?