Long Game 34: Allomancer

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

35 minutes ago, Yitzi2 said:

I often, as a villager, don't vote early until I have a clear read.  Leaving aside the advantages in terms of meta (planning ahead for games where I am an elim), I prefer to let someone with a better read do the early-game determination (I am very weak at early-game reads, and in fact at reads in general except when they come from a PM).

Honestly, we tend to lynch villagers the first couple Cycles anyways, so it's not like your reads are any less accurate than most. I know I've lynched a ton of villagers in the early rounds.  But we still need to have lynches to get better reads, which means more voters now will give us more information later, even if we do lynch villagers. At least that's the idea. >>

11 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

I think she was just planning to go read up on us, the people who voted after the role claim, before she decided who she wanted to vote as an elim. The fact that you'd vote on her simply for deciding to go do some research before she votes seems a bit fishy to me. Heck, everyone before her didn't vote either, including me, but you didn't deem any of them suspicious. That seems kind of fishy to me. 

I'm quite confused, to be honest. What's going on here?

EDIT: Nevermind, it has to do with your RP character, right?

In her post, she mentions being wary of the Flash, and she did a bit of research already, considering she put up the voters before Orloks reveal and the voters after, which means she glanced at the posts at the very least, but she didn't vote, so I thought I'd prod her to make her put down a vote, as votes mean a lot more than "I think this is person is slightly suspicious" or "we should look for elims in this group." I also don't see her mention the fact that she's going to do more research?

As far as the other players who've posted so far, you and Dalinar mentioned some real life stuff, and in your case, you're new I believe, so I'm not gonna be as quick to call you out for not voting early, since even the more experienced players aren't even voting early very much... Brightness, I am actually a little suspicious of as well. The Flash voted on Cluny. Manukos seems to have claimed Hazekiller, which gave me a slight village lean on him(elims don't tend to do public claims like that). And Yitzi posted about 30 seconds before me.

I'll admit it's not the best reasoning, but I wanted to try and get some voting going and I didn't have the time to do analysis of Day 1, so it was the best vote I could do in the limited time I had. I'm still aiming to look over Day 1 tonight though.

Who do you think we should lynch(besides me )?

[StrikerEZ he/him]

7 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Honestly, we tend to lynch villagers the first couple Cycles anyways, so it's not like your reads are any less accurate than most. I know I've lynched a ton of villagers in the early rounds.  But we still need to have lynches to get better reads, which means more voters now will give us more information later, even if we do lynch villagers. At least that's the idea. >>

In her post, she mentions being wary of the Flash, and she did a bit of research already, considering she put up the voters before Orloks reveal and the voters after, which means she glanced at the posts at the very least, but she didn't vote, so I thought I'd prod her to make her put down a vote, as votes mean a lot more than "I think this is person is slightly suspicious" or "we should look for elims in this group." I also don't see her mention the fact that she's going to do more research?

As far as the other players who've posted so far, you and Dalinar mentioned some real life stuff, and in your case, you're new I believe, so I'm not gonna be as quick to call you out for not voting early, since even the more experienced players aren't even voting early very much... Brightness, I am actually a little suspicious of as well. The Flash voted on Cluny. Manukos seems to have claimed Hazekiller, which gave me a slight village lean on him(elims don't tend to do public claims like that). And Yitzi posted about 30 seconds before me.

I'll admit it's not the best reasoning, but I wanted to try and get some voting going and I didn't have the time to do analysis of Day 1, so it was the best vote I could do in the limited time I had. I'm still aiming to look over Day 1 tonight though.

Who do you think we should lynch(besides me )?

First of all, sorry for kind of attacking you like that, I could've sworn I rembered Stick saying she's was gonna go do some research on them. That's the main reason I was suspicious of you. I was just being dumb for a second there. My bad. 

Honestly, I'm still not sure who to lynch. The only person that seems overly suspicious to me so far has been Flash, but I'm not sure if that's just because he's new like me or if he really is acting fishy. Plus, I'm kind of bad at analyzing, so that sucks for me. My gut tells me to vote Flash, but I'm still not sure.

[Jondesu he/him]

I'll admit that it makes me wary to agree with The Flash, since I'm somewhat suspicious of him as well, but I have to repeat my vote on Cluny for now. That edited post from the last day cycle is just setting off alarm bells in my head, like it was changed and the copy/pasted from an Elim doc.

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

Aww Lopen ...Will the siblings ever trust each other?  I'm not really suspicious of you yet, but I will always remain wary of you until you've been cleared in some way.  You totes scare me bro.  

I started to do analysis of the thread, but I got busy with rl stuff and then the mlp game rollover so...yeah..my analysis will be up tonight I hope!  already through night 0...but that's not very much lol

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

Okay, analysis!  (actually WAY delayed because I put it off to watch season 3 of the flash lol)

Here are my thoughts and questions for the game so far...

Night 0:

1. Lopen told the captains to be careful who they targeted because that player would lose all of their vials. @OrlokTsubodai(Why exactly did you decide to detain pk?)

2. Stick asked if the agents would get a faction kill on night 0, which could have been her honestly not knowing, in which case I would think she's village, but it could have been an attempt to throw people off?

3. Meta voted on Lopen on night 0, but yitzi reminded him that there was no voting until the day turn. (This doesn't really stand out to me as alignment indicative for either player considering I didn't know either lol)

4. There was a lot of RP and talk about Spike task force or something lolol...honestly I've only read the first Mistborn book so I sometimes feel like I'm missing stuff haha 

5. Yitzi said that most people are probably hazekillers and shouldn't use actions early on cuz it's a one shot. (Probably true...sound advice but not really anything alignment indictment I don't think)

6. Meta said that the ASL thing could be a way for PK to hide in plain sight. @OrlokTsubodai tagging you again lol (is this why you decided to detain pk possibly?)

Well this is all I got from the first night, but I'll have to do more analysis tomorrow because I need sleep rn. I have church in the morning. I'll finish up tomorrow and vote then! 

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

5 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

First of all, sorry for kind of attacking you like that, I could've sworn I rembered Stick saying she's was gonna go do some research on them. That's the main reason I was suspicious of you. I was just being dumb for a second there. My bad. 

Honestly, I'm still not sure who to lynch. The only person that seems overly suspicious to me so far has been Flash, but I'm not sure if that's just because he's new like me or if he really is acting fishy. Plus, I'm kind of bad at analyzing, so that sucks for me. My gut tells me to vote Flash, but I'm still not sure.

Ah, okay. That's understandable then. I kind of thought it was odd.

Hm, I'm not sure, but I'm actually leaning slightly village for Flash right now. It's nothing more than a gut/tone read, but it's how I feel right now. Honestly though, I'd say go ahead and vote on whoever seems the most likely to be an eliminator to you. I don't know if you're village, but if you are, we need all the villagers voting that we can get, since the villagers are the ones who'll actually lynch eliminators. >>

5 hours ago, Jondesu said:

I'll admit that it makes me wary to agree with The Flash, since I'm somewhat suspicious of him as well, but I have to repeat my vote on Cluny for now. That edited post from the last day cycle is just setting off alarm bells in my head, like it was changed and the copy/pasted from an Elim doc.

One thing I wanted to mention about that edited post, I don't think he actually changed the content at all? Just the wording. He said he was suspicious of Orlok(FOS means "finger of suspicion" which is just a term to say you're suspicious of someone without voting on them) in both posts, he just removed the vote from Orlok in the edit.

4 hours ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

Aww Lopen ...Will the siblings ever trust each other?  I'm not really suspicious of you yet, but I will always remain wary of you until you've been cleared in some way.  You totes scare me bro.  

I started to do analysis of the thread, but I got busy with rl stuff and then the mlp game rollover so...yeah..my analysis will be up tonight I hope!  already through night 0...but that's not very much lol

Sorry.  Well, not for the scary part. That's good!

Anyways! I just went through the Day 1 thread keeping in mind that PK was village(and Orlok likely village as well, though I'm not certain of that), and here's some of my thoughts on the Day 1 lynch.

First thing I noticed, which is one of the things I thought was suspicious about Brightness, is that she posts right after the thread goes up, but seemed to ignore the fact that there was no elim kill. It's possible she was expecting that, if she's a Venture Agent.

Next thing is Stick throwing suspicion on Flash for saying he'd forgotten when rollover was, because she said that might have been the reason for the no kill. I thought it was a bit far fetched to say he's suspicious for a no kill, when the other elims could have sent it in if he wasn't around, and I doubt he'd have admitted to forgetting about rollover if he really was supposed to send in the kill.

The one thing I think is suspicious that Flash did was his voting on PK after Orlok was somewhat accusing him of defending PK. I've seen it before, where a villager will accuse another villager and an elim together, and the elim will vote on the villager they're accused with to show the other villager they're wrong about them being teammates. I feel like Flash was more just going along with the vote on PK because he didn't have a better suspicion though, and it's understandable, since there was no elim kill and PK was the only player unable to send in an Action.

I don't really have an opinion on cloudjumper's vote on PK. It was basically a bandwagon, which I suppose makes me lean slightly village, since it was Day 1, and players have been lynched for bandwagoning on Day 1 multiple times before, so it would have been a risky move(not sure if he'd have known that at the time though).

One thing I thought was in the Flash's favor was his strong attack on PK at one point. Elims tend to be more cautious when lynching villagers, rather than stating "I'm really sure you're evil" they'll usually say something like "I think you're evil, but I'm not completely sure." At least, inexperienced eliminators tend to do that.

Brightness mentions that she read the writeup really late at night, so she didn't notice the no kill. Still, I think she'd be more likely to have noticed it if she was a villager.

Another thing I thought pointed to Flash being village was his suggestion that they all had spikes. It didn't seem like he'd have come up with that idea if he was an elim.

Other people voted on PK(meta, Brightness, HH, Elenion, maybe more). I don't have strong opinions on those votes really. I'm slightly suspicious of Elenion, but that's nothing new for me. I think I start out suspicious of Len.  Of those 4 voters I mentioned, I think in terms of most suspicious to least, I'd say Brightness, Elenion, Meta, then HH. But eh.

[Steeldancer he/him]

2 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Ah, okay. That's understandable then. I kind of thought it was odd.

Hm, I'm not sure, but I'm actually leaning slightly village for Flash right now. It's nothing more than a gut/tone read, but it's how I feel right now. Honestly though, I'd say go ahead and vote on whoever seems the most likely to be an eliminator to you. I don't know if you're village, but if you are, we need all the villagers voting that we can get, since the villagers are the ones who'll actually lynch eliminators. >>

One thing I wanted to mention about that edited post, I don't think he actually changed the content at all? Just the wording. He said he was suspicious of Orlok(FOS means "finger of suspicion" which is just a term to say you're suspicious of someone without voting on them) in both posts, he just removed the vote from Orlok in the edit.

Sorry.  Well, not for the scary part. That's good!

Anyways! I just went through the Day 1 thread keeping in mind that PK was village(and Orlok likely village as well, though I'm not certain of that), and here's some of my thoughts on the Day 1 lynch.

First thing I noticed, which is one of the things I thought was suspicious about Brightness, is that she posts right after the thread goes up, but seemed to ignore the fact that there was no elim kill. It's possible she was expecting that, if she's a Venture Agent.

Next thing is Stick throwing suspicion on Flash for saying he'd forgotten when rollover was, because she said that might have been the reason for the no kill. I thought it was a bit far fetched to say he's suspicious for a no kill, when the other elims could have sent it in if he wasn't around, and I doubt he'd have admitted to forgetting about rollover if he really was supposed to send in the kill.

The one thing I think is suspicious that Flash did was his voting on PK after Orlok was somewhat accusing him of defending PK. I've seen it before, where a villager will accuse another villager and an elim together, and the elim will vote on the villager they're accused with to show the other villager they're wrong about them being teammates. I feel like Flash was more just going along with the vote on PK because he didn't have a better suspicion though, and it's understandable, since there was no elim kill and PK was the only player unable to send in an Action.

I don't really have an opinion on cloudjumper's vote on PK. It was basically a bandwagon, which I suppose makes me lean slightly village, since it was Day 1, and players have been lynched for bandwagoning on Day 1 multiple times before, so it would have been a risky move(not sure if he'd have known that at the time though).

One thing I thought was in the Flash's favor was his strong attack on PK at one point. Elims tend to be more cautious when lynching villagers, rather than stating "I'm really sure you're evil" they'll usually say something like "I think you're evil, but I'm not completely sure." At least, inexperienced eliminators tend to do that.

Brightness mentions that she read the writeup really late at night, so she didn't notice the no kill. Still, I think she'd be more likely to have noticed it if she was a villager.

Another thing I thought pointed to Flash being village was his suggestion that they all had spikes. It didn't seem like he'd have come up with that idea if he was an elim.

Other people voted on PK(meta, Brightness, HH, Elenion, maybe more). I don't have strong opinions on those votes really. I'm slightly suspicious of Elenion, but that's nothing new for me. I think I start out suspicious of Len.  Of those 4 voters I mentioned, I think in terms of most suspicious to least, I'd say Brightness, Elenion, Meta, then HH. But eh.

Thanks lopen! Now @Cluny the Scourge I want answers. Even after voting on you, I still get no answers about why you suspect me! You were on in the last 24 hours, and you must have seen it. If you're a villager, please come defend yourself. I don't want to lynch another villager. 

[Yitzi2]

4 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said:

First thing I noticed, which is one of the things I thought was suspicious about Brightness, is that she posts right after the thread goes up, but seemed to ignore the fact that there was no elim kill. It's possible she was expecting that, if she's a Venture Agent.

On the contrary; an elim expecting it would probably mention it, as it's an easy but not really valuable way to seem to contribute.  The most likely explanation for not mentioning it is simply not noticing it.

(Then again, if that's what she expected us to think, she might not mention it as an elim, though that's a bit unusual for someone so new.  Or she might have not mentioned it as an elim due to being new and therefore thinking that it would attract undue attention to mention it...)

[Jondesu he/him]

5 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said:

One thing I wanted to mention about that edited post, I don't think he actually changed the content at all? Just the wording. He said he was suspicious of Orlok(FOS means "finger of suspicion" which is just a term to say you're suspicious of someone without voting on them) in both posts, he just removed the vote from Orlok in the edit.

I went back to reread it after you said that, and here's the two versions:

Edited:

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Oh yeah, FOS on Orlok for being a perfect villager, and my vote on Flash for a poor defense.

Original:

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I am going to cast my votes on Orlok and Flash. Orlok for being too helpful and kind-of-mayoring-ish, and Flash for his really poor defence.

Unfortunately…I have to agree with you on this one, Lopen.  I felt like I remembered there being a switch of target, and I obviously misremembered.

So, because of that, I'm retracting my vote on Cluny.

Sadly, I have no other real suspicions to act on right now, so I'm going to watch the thread for other people's reasoning before voting again (which is usually what I do anyways). Edit: I will poke @DroughtBringer in the hopes that he'll become active (clarification, this isn't a poke vote, just poking him). Otherwise, I might be suspicious that he's an inactive Venture, but I don't really know how likely that is.

Edited June 4, 2017 by Jondesu

[Steeldancer he/him]

6 minutes ago, Jondesu said:

I went back to reread it after you said that, and here's the two versions:

Edited:

Original:

Unfortunately…I have to agree with you on this one, Lopen.  I felt like I remembered there being a switch of target, and I obviously misremembered.

So, because of that, I'm retracting my vote on Cluny.

Sadly, I have no other real suspicions to act on right now, so I'm going to watch the thread for other people's reasoning before voting again (which is usually what I do anyways). Edit: I will poke @DroughtBringer in the hopes that he'll become active (clarification, this isn't a poke vote, just poking him). Otherwise, I might be suspicious that he's an inactive Venture, but I don't really know how likely that is.

Oh that's what FOS means? Excuse my inexperience with shorthand. Hmmm. Cluny, I would appreciate your input on why you suspect me. I like having discussion about it, it feels more honest and honorable. But given that really you didn't actually change your target, that removes much of my reason for suspecting you. I'll keep an eye on you, but for now I'll follow suit and Cluny . 

For the moment the only other person I want to keep an eye on is Orlok. It would be very sneaky to clear himself by revealing his role, especially as the elims didn't attack him for some reason. Wouldn't they want to kill him? But idk. I'll watch everyone and see if anyone else pops up as being suspicious. 

[Dalinar Kholin]

12 hours ago, Yitzi2 said:

Can't have; seekers in this game only tell what power was used the previous cycle, so night 0 it would be useless in any case.  (Otherwise, Booken would have been much less suspicious, as there's no way an elim seeker would be the one to send in the kill if he could use his power instead.)

Regarding the impact of losing a metallurgist: On the one hand, powers generally favor the village because there are more villagers and therefore more villagers with powers.  On the other hand, the elims are less likely to have to worry about metals, since their hazekillers can order and transfer to teammates more reliably than village hazekillers.

Thank you good sir! My apologies for a lack of thorough reading of the rules.

Heres some thoughts: trying to treat this like a logic game and make some generalizations based on day 2 posts.

Jondesu/Flash<-->Cluny--> The only possible pair of evil people in this group could be Jondesu and Flash. Any combination with Cluny would be illogical to put a vote on so early and risk a bandwagon on their own member. Lopen also defended Cluny and questioned or was "suspicious of flash." With very few votes out there, this makes it less likely that Lopen/Flash would both be elim's. Furthermore, because Jondesu and Flash voted together, this suspicion could overflow to Jondesu, so Lopen/Jondesu aren't both elim's.

BrightnessRadiant is village in my mind, because of

18 hours ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

This really does lower the villagers potential for using their powers though...so maybe they do have a seeker who got lucky as Dalinar mentioned.

An evil doc would have discussion of different roles which would probably include the use of a seeker. Or in general an examination of the rules and how not to get seekered.

Flash: Mild village read, agree with Lopen on the gut call.

I sorta agree with Lopen with the vote on Stick. Calling on people to post more and suggesting they will be targeted is a pretty neutral but generally positive role to play. Sure, it benefits the village a little if I and Droughtbringer post more, but it's still an easy part to play.

[Sparkrunner he/him]

Sorry about the delay-- My internet was down and great-grandma Mimi died.

What I tried to say last turn-- There can be more than one captain.

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If a Captain detains a Hazekiller who blocked him, the Hazekiller will be injured, but will not have their metals confiscated. If a Captain detains a Hazekiller that blocked another player, the Hazekiller's action will be cancelled. If a Hazekiller blocks a Captain who detains another player, the Captain's action will be blocked and the Hazekiller will be injured.

I am pretty sure that the elims have a captain, especially if it is chosen through the dice. ( @Seonid Are the dice in this game as bloodthirsty?)

Okay I have spent every spare minute of my spare time trying to catch up in the thread. (Except for important things like going the bathroom. ) Here we go:

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You wondered about what happened for a while, let someone else vote first, asked a few questions, then voted on me. To me, that seems like an elim attitude.

This sums up my early suspicions of you.

You also appear to be a new at SE, but possibly got advice from your buddies when you talked the doc that you should not say that you are new?

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I'm confused by your explanation. I'm not even clever enough to have come up with that plan. Yes I'm going to excuse this with inexperienced, because that's what I am. as I see it, if I were an elim, and you weren't, I would have used the kill. And I wouldnt CARE if you were detained or not! But I'm village, and the kill DIDN'T go through. Yes I voted after somebody pointed out the fact that it didn't go through, because frankly I would not have put two and two together. Because I'm inexperienced.

Interesting time to point this out, meethinks.

 

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Edit. I forgot that perhaps we are both the same side. But if we are both elim, you wouldn't be attacking me so strongly without leaving some way for me to be cleared. (Did this not happen? Who else suspects Flash?) Elims don't seek to tear down other elims. (This happens ALL the time and if you actually uncover your friend elim then village kudos to you)

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His death will provide us information.

This is the correct point of view to take, but why do you only take this point of view later?

Your whole thing about venture agents implanting spikes cleared you a few times in my mind, more specifically when you were proved wrong.

Overall, I am about 55% suspicious of you. I am not going to vote on you this turn, until I see something that sets me off.

I do not want to die but I will die to help the village.

Here is my way to help the village: I implanted a hemalurgic spike. I am now a seeker. Vote in orange who you want me to target. I will target them with my seeking until they burn a metal or until the vote moves to someone else. (Remember I can only seek during the night turn.) I am counting on not being killed by the elims because they can use me as well. @Seonid can you put a little spot in the writeup for me? (Cluny discovered that ____ is implanted with a hemalurgic spike and burned allomantic pewter last turn...) etc.

 

EDIT: If anyone can get me metals, please do. (For this turn, I do not have any Bronze.)

Edited June 4, 2017 by Cluny the Scourge

[Jondesu he/him]

@Cluny the Scourge, of course he can't do that, that would be GM confirmation of your role and results. Now I just don't know what to think about you. I doubt an Elim would be making mistakes like you are, though.

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

11 minutes ago, Jondesu said:

@Cluny the Scourge, of course he can't do that, that would be GM confirmation of your role and results. Now I just don't know what to think about you. I doubt an Elim would be making mistakes like you are, though.

I wouldn't be so sure to leave Cluny off the hook. It could go either way, and we have barely anything to base his behavior off of. Interesting that Cluny is offering his ability up in a public vote.

[Seonid he/him]

19 minutes ago, Cluny the Scourge said:

Sorry about the delay-- My internet was down and great-grandma Mimi died.

What I tried to say last turn-- There can be more than one captain.

I am pretty sure that the elims have a captain, especially if it is chosen through the dice. ( @Seonid Are the dice in this game as bloodthirsty?)

Okay I have spent every spare minute of my spare time trying to catch up in the thread. (Except for important things like going the bathroom. ) Here we go:

This sums up my early suspicions of you.

You also appear to be a new at SE, but possibly got advice from your buddies when you talked the doc that you should not say that you are new?

Interesting time to point this out, meethinks.

 

This is the correct point of view to take, but why do you only take this point of view later?

Your whole thing about venture agents implanting spikes cleared you a few times in my mind, more specifically when you were proved wrong.

Overall, I am about 55% suspicious of you. I am not going to vote on you this turn, until I see something that sets me off.

I do not want to die but I will die to help the village.

Here is my way to help the village: I implanted a hemalurgic spike. I am now a seeker. Vote in orange who you want me to target. I will target them with my seeking until they burn a metal or until the vote moves to someone else. (Remember I can only seek during the night turn.) I am counting on not being killed by the elims because they can use me as well. @Seonid can you put a little spot in the writeup for me? (Cluny discovered that ____ is implanted with a hemalurgic spike and burned allomantic pewter last turn...) etc.

 

EDIT: If anyone can get me metals, please do. (For this turn, I do not have any Bronze.)

 Are the dice on this game bloodthirsty? PAFO

I'm afraid I can't put your results in the write-up.  They'll stay in your GM PM, between  you and I. From there,  thou can reveal them to the thread,  keep them secret, or even lie about them if you like. Keeps the game interesting if I don't confirm things.

[Jondesu he/him]

1 hour ago, Dalinar Kholin said:

Thank you good sir! My apologies for a lack of thorough reading of the rules.

Heres some thoughts: trying to treat this like a logic game and make some generalizations based on day 2 posts.

Jondesu/Flash<-->Cluny--> The only possible pair of evil people in this group could be Jondesu and Flash. Any combination with Cluny would be illogical to put a vote on so early and risk a bandwagon on their own member. Lopen also defended Cluny and questioned or was "suspicious of flash." With very few votes out there, this makes it less likely that Lopen/Flash would both be elim's. Furthermore, because Jondesu and Flash voted together, this suspicion could overflow to Jondesu, so Lopen/Jondesu aren't both elim's.

I mostly agree with your little logic puzzle, but I'm beginning to think that Lopen, Flash, Cluny, and I are all village and that the Elims are just sitting back and letting this go on. I've had a fairly good village read on Lopen for a while (though I've been wrong about him in the past, so I'm not going to assume anything), I just said I felt Cluny was probably village after all, and I'm wary of Flash but since he's fairly new, his actions fit with a villager just trying to figure out what to do (I remember being there, especially after starting as an Elim in my first game, then trying to figure out how to shift to being village).

1 hour ago, Dalinar Kholin said:

BrightnessRadiant is village in my mind, because of

An evil doc would have discussion of different roles which would probably include the use of a seeker. Or in general an examination of the rules and how not to get seekered.

Flash: Mild village read, agree with Lopen on the gut call.

I sorta agree with Lopen with the vote on Stick. Calling on people to post more and suggesting they will be targeted is a pretty neutral but generally positive role to play. Sure, it benefits the village a little if I and Droughtbringer post more, but it's still an easy part to play.

I think I might agree on BR, but at the same time, it's entirely possible that it was either an intentionally misleading comment or just something that wasn't really discussed in an Elim doc/missed by BR.  I know the times I've played as an Elim, I try to ignore whatever is in the Elim doc while I'm posting in the thread for the most part, to try and keep my posts sounding villagery, genuinely.

I'm not so sure about Stick.  I would normally be suspicious of that, but that's pretty typical for Stick I think.  I'm pretty sure I voted on her for that in a previous game, in fact, and she was village then, and people told me that was just par for the course.

3 minutes ago, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

I wouldn't be so sure to leave Cluny off the hook. It could go either way, and we have barely anything to base his behavior off of. Interesting that Cluny is offering his ability up in a public vote.

I rarely let someone off the hook completely, and I'm not ruling out Cluny still being Elim, but his behavior so far lines up with what I'd expect of a fairly inexperienced village.

Also, @Cluny the Scourge, sometimes it's really not a good idea to offer your ability publicly like that, not just because it could make you a target, but because if it's public who you're going to seek, then if the Elims have a Smoker, they can just smoke that person and make your attempts useless.  Heck, if there's a village Smoker suspicious of you they might do the same thing.  It's generally best for you to just use your own judgement of who to seek, and then to let people know without revealing yourself to the thread, though that part is out the window now. That means there's no harm in you posting the results of any seeking you do, though expect that not everyone will believe you until there's confirmation (and being a Seeker doesn't mean you're not an Elim), assuming the Elims let you live.  Honestly, though, in this game you're not as much of a threat because you don't get alignment, just roles, but any public confirmation of your role can be dangerous.  Good to keep in mind for future games. 

[Sparkrunner he/him]

Oh well, I suppose now I can lie!

 

3 minutes ago, Jondesu said:

Also, @Cluny the Scourge, sometimes it's really not a good idea to offer your ability publicly like that, not just because it could make you a target, but because if it's public who you're going to seek, then if the Elims have a Smoker, they can just smoke that person and make your attempts useless.  Heck, if there's a village Smoker suspicious of you they might do the same thing.  It's generally best for you to just use your own judgement of who to seek, and then to let people know without revealing yourself to the thread, though that part is out the window now. That means there's no harm in you posting the results of any seeking you do, though expect that not everyone will believe you until there's confirmation (and being a Seeker doesn't mean you're not an Elim), assuming the Elims let you live.  Honestly, though, in this game you're not as much of a threat because you don't get alignment, just roles, but any public confirmation of your role can be dangerous.  Good to keep in mind for future games. 

I get your point-- but the village smoker probably knows that the more information that is public, the better. It will give the elims knowledge, but it will also give us knowledge, and since our "faction kill" is based only off of the information we have, I think it is a good idea to go public. The more open we are, the more easy it will be to detect a lie and thus we can win.

[Jondesu he/him]

Just now, Cluny the Scourge said:

Oh well, I suppose now I can lie!

 

I get your point-- but the village smoker probably knows that the more information that is public, the better. It will give the elims knowledge, but it will also give us knowledge, and since our "faction kill" is based only off of the information we have, I think it is a good idea to go public. The more open we are, the more easy it will be to detect a lie and thus we can win.

Definitely an approach some take.  It's somewhat risky, but you're right that it can sometimes be beneficial.  If you want to take the risks associated with that approach, go ahead.  Just know that the Elims usually don't like that, an also that if you do survive, people tend to begin to suspect you (since they expect the Elims to take you out).  Good luck!

[Stick. she/her]

I'm getting lynched what. 

13 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said:

We need more votes people! I'm still working on getting some analysis done of the Day 1 voters, but I'll stick a vote on Stick for now. She did some analysis about Day 1, and which group she thought was more suspicious, but then she didn't put a vote on anyone. Kind of feels like she doesn't want put her neck on the line by voting first. Obviously, there's a lot of targets in the group you mentioned Stick, but you could have picked whoever you were most suspicious out of that group.

Well, yes, I didn't want to put my neck on the line by voting first, but the main reason I didn't vote was because I didn't know who to vote on. Even now, I'm kind of lost, tbh. Yes, I could've voted on one of Len, Meta, Sart, Ecth, BR, Striker, Araris, Manukos or HH but voting on them only based on the fact that they voted after Orlok role-claimed isn't entirely fair. I mean, I'm one of these people. To vote on one of these players I'd have to look at each of their posts separately, consider all my options, and then cast a vote, for which I didn't have time at that moment [exams and ramadan keep me fairly busy nowadays]. 

12 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

Heck, everyone before her didn't vote either, including me, but you didn't deem any of them suspicious. That seems kind of fishy to me. 

^

6 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Next thing is Stick throwing suspicion on Flash for saying he'd forgotten when rollover was, because she said that might have been the reason for the no kill. I thought it was a bit far fetched to say he's suspicious for a no kill, when the other elims could have sent it in if he wasn't around, and I doubt he'd have admitted to forgetting about rollover if he really was supposed to send in the kill.

Which is why I said:

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I'm not entirely sure that forgetting the rollover time is a reason enough to vote on Flash.

 

1 hour ago, Dalinar Kholin said:

Calling on people to post more and suggesting they will be targeted is a pretty neutral but generally positive role to play. Sure, it benefits the village a little if I and Droughtbringer post more, but it's still an easy part to play.

Is this why you're voting on me? Because:

1 hour ago, Jondesu said:

I will poke @DroughtBringer in the hopes that he'll become active (clarification, this isn't a poke vote, just poking him). Otherwise, I might be suspicious that he's an inactive Venture, but I don't really know how likely that is.

Hey look Jond's calling out someone to post, he must be evil let's lynch him. :P

Why aren't people voting? Too busy passing items around? Putting spikes in? Please vote.

1 hour ago, Dalinar Kholin said:

Jondesu/Flash<-->Cluny--> The only possible pair of evil people in this group could be Jondesu and Flash.

I mean I don't think elims would target the same person in-thread. That would leave the other a clear elim if one of them dies. They usually tend the follow the majority and vote on the whoever has the most votes [or whoever has the potential to get the most votes on themselves] unless it's a fellow elim being lynched, in which case the try to divert the lynch.

Okay. I'm going to cast my vote now  Dalinar. I dont get why you voted on me and you just seem to be agreeing with whatever Lopen said. If you turn out to be evil I'd be suspicious of Lopen. I'm not even that suspicious of you. But I dont want to die, sorry. I'm going to at least try to survive. Oh, and, @players who voted on me/will vote on me, can you post what information you'll get from my lynch? Considering what my alignment will show up as? Suppose I'm an elim, who will you target next? And if I'm a villager? Who'll you be suspicious of, then? 'Cause I want to make sure that if I die, the village gets useful info, and not misleading info.

Hm, @Cluny the Scourge I sure hope the elims don't kill you huh. 

[Jondesu he/him]

1 hour ago, Dalinar Kholin said:

Thank you good sir! My apologies for a lack of thorough reading of the rules.

Heres some thoughts: trying to treat this like a logic game and make some generalizations based on day 2 posts.

Jondesu/Flash<-->Cluny--> The only possible pair of evil people in this group could be Jondesu and Flash. Any combination with Cluny would be illogical to put a vote on so early and risk a bandwagon on their own member. Lopen also defended Cluny and questioned or was "suspicious of flash." With very few votes out there, this makes it less likely that Lopen/Flash would both be elim's. Furthermore, because Jondesu and Flash voted together, this suspicion could overflow to Jondesu, so Lopen/Jondesu aren't both elim's.

BrightnessRadiant is village in my mind, because of

An evil doc would have discussion of different roles which would probably include the use of a seeker. Or in general an examination of the rules and how not to get seekered.

Flash: Mild village read, agree with Lopen on the gut call.

I sorta agree with Lopen with the vote on Stick. Calling on people to post more and suggesting they will be targeted is a pretty neutral but generally positive role to play. Sure, it benefits the village a little if I and Droughtbringer post more, but it's still an easy part to play.

I know I'm quoting this a second time, but after Stick voted on Dalinar, I decided to review his posts, and I realized something about this post and my previous analysis.

If Flash, Cluny, Lopen and I (the four involved in his little logic puzzle) are indeed all village as I'm sort of suspecting, this is an excellent way for an Elim to place suspicion on multiple people, which different players will interpret differently and vote on some of those involved, but it makes Dalinar seem like he's trying to be helpful.  Agreeing with Lopen and just following his lead is another way for an Elim to hide (just following along with a villager rather than making claims of their own that might be disproven), so this seems textbook Elim in a lot of ways to me.

Dalinar, as I said before, Stick's poking of people asking them to post more is only beneficial, and is also pretty normal.  Why does that mean Stick must be Elim?

[Sparkrunner he/him]

Hmmm... Starting to suspect Jondesu.

Thanks for the advice, though.

[Steeldancer he/him]

1 hour ago, Cluny the Scourge said:

Sorry about the delay-- My internet was down and great-grandma Mimi died.

What I tried to say last turn-- There can be more than one captain.

I am pretty sure that the elims have a captain, especially if it is chosen through the dice. ( @Seonid Are the dice in this game as bloodthirsty?)

Okay I have spent every spare minute of my spare time trying to catch up in the thread. (Except for important things like going the bathroom. ) Here we go:

This sums up my early suspicions of you.

You also appear to be a new at SE, but possibly got advice from your buddies when you talked the doc that you should not say that you are new?

Interesting time to point this out, meethinks.

 

This is the correct point of view to take, but why do you only take this point of view later?

Your whole thing about venture agents implanting spikes cleared you a few times in my mind, more specifically when you were proved wrong.

Overall, I am about 55% suspicious of you. I am not going to vote on you this turn, until I see something that sets me off.

I do not want to die but I will die to help the village.

Here is my way to help the village: I implanted a hemalurgic spike. I am now a seeker. Vote in orange who you want me to target. I will target them with my seeking until they burn a metal or until the vote moves to someone else. (Remember I can only seek during the night turn.) I am counting on not being killed by the elims because they can use me as well. @Seonid can you put a little spot in the writeup for me? (Cluny discovered that ____ is implanted with a hemalurgic spike and burned allomantic pewter last turn...) etc.

 

EDIT: If anyone can get me metals, please do. (For this turn, I do not have any Bronze.)

Thank you cluny I appreciate your honesty. Congratulations you have won my trust. 

Oh and cluny, it was in the other game where I was told that constantly saying that I'm new is suspicious. So I'm trying to avoid that. Doesn't change the fact that I am new, however. 

I might not have time to do analysis of the thread tonight, and therefore I might not vote again. I have Calculus I need to review tonight for some testing this week, a talk to write for seminary graduation, a ton of physics to do for a test there, and some US history review for my Regents. Plus my actual seminary graduation tonight. If I have time, I'll try to follow what everyone else is doing, but I apologize if I don't vote today. 

Edited June 4, 2017 by The Flash

[Sparkrunner he/him]

You are LDS?

[Steeldancer he/him]

1 minute ago, Cluny the Scourge said:

You are LDS?

Yes I am.

[Jondesu he/him]

1 hour ago, Cluny the Scourge said:

Hmmm... Starting to suspect Jondesu.

Thanks for the advice, though.

Care to explain why?