Long Game 11: Twinborn Village

[Feligon he/him]

Nicroburst.

[Metacognition he/him]

In the interest of being helpful, Vote Tally! 

 

Honey Badger (4): Lev, Kandra Skrull, Spencer, Neodymium

Nicroburst (1): Feligon

 

I find it odd that the Spiked are supposedly trying to lead people to certain rooms to seal their doom. That just doesn't seem very effective, as today shows, because it seems like it would be incredibly easy to be found out. 

 

But, I also don't see how or why Lev and Spencer in particular (and Ostrich as well to a degree) would concoct such an elaborate plot just to get one person killed. After all, if Honey Badger does turn out to be innocent, they're going to be the first people that we look at when we're looking for suspicious people during the next day turn! So I'll give my support to lynching Honey Badger today, but if he turns up innocent, you guys are going to have a lot of explaining to do! 

 

Also, in regards to Luckat's message; Can a Bronze Allomancer detect the difference between Hemalurgic Spiked Bronze and Regular Bronze? Or is it Hemalurgic Kandra Bronze and Regular Bronze? Cause that's a pretty useful power if it can also tell when a Spiked uses a power in the same room. 

[Kandra Skrull]

Bronze active.  Find out what metals are being burned, what feruchemy is being stored or tapped, and what hemalurgy is being used in the same room as you during this action period.  You’re not quite good enough to detect blessings, and any powers being used by kandra will appear as hemalurgy.  

 

Looks like you can tell the difference at least between Allomancy, Feruchemy, and Hemalurgy.

[Clanky he/him]

The other option if it turns out that badger is innocent is poor communication. Perhaps there was something lost in translation during the information transfer. Maybe the Nicroburst misting didn't boost badger during the same action period that he burned his Bronze so he only did get the information from the Town Square. It isn't very likely but could be the case. Was this discussed as a possibility lev?

 

As for his defence of Winter it could be something as simple as Winter saying something in PMs that earned Badgers trust or even that he was playing devils advocate (as I am dong now).

 

Still I think with the evidence we have now badger is the most likely spiked we know of so I agree with his lynch unless more evidence comes around. 

 

 

 

Also does anyone else look at the tags for todays thread and think about the terrifying image of ostriches running around with the ability to awaken? No, just me?

 

EDIT: Some small clarifications

Edited April 13, 2015 by Clanky

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Okay, guys. I have a couple complaints with how this is going. Take none of this personally, please.

 

First off, why in the storms are we revealing whether or not we slept the night before when we vote?! As Meta brought up before, in Day 1 or 2, I believe, all this does is let the Spiked vote how they want and avoid real suspicion. If I tell the Spiked that my vote won't count and that it's basically just a simple poke vote(and I hate those too), why would they ever feel the need to really defend themselves? It's mainly in their defenses and counterarguments that we are able to catch Spiked. If we're eliminating a lot of the discussion part of voting by waving off our votes to the public, then the Spiked will never have a need to defend themselves or have the pressure of being lynched on them. Not sleeping doesn't mean you can't vote; it just means that your vote will appear to be soothed and will not count. But the pressure of not knowing before the cycle ends is where we can catch the Spiked. So, from now on, I propose that no one shares whether they slept the night before or not, at least to the public. Unless dire circumstances come up where we will need to know which votes count and which don't, there is no reason to give the Spiked a free pass. 

 

Secondly, not sleeping isn't a crime, Araris, as you seem to believe. Many players have roles valuable enough to use every cycle which limits their options. Would you rather have the Lurcher(s) sleep and be able to vote than potentially save a villager? That's a waste of the ability and the Spiked don't have that inhibition. They are able to coordinate all their moves and figure out who needs to sleep in order to know how many votes they have as a group. We don't have that luxury. Additionally, if Villagers have to sleep or be considered Spiked, the real Spiked have much higher chances of finding items that will extremely benefit their cause. Many items are potential game changers. Hazecrusher has already been found. While I doubt this is actually the case, what if a Spiked was able to pick it up because a Villager decided to sleep instead of search their room because they'd be considered a Spiked otherwise? Consider the alternatives. Roles and Items are what are going to save us in the end of this game. End-game, when the Spiked likely outnumber or rival the Twinborn, the roles and items are going to be our best weapons. But if we all spent all our time sleeping and gave all the items to the Spiked, then we might as well give up now. I'm not saying that everyone should neglect sleep, not at all. Votes are valuable, but if there is good reason not to sleep, then don't be afraid to not sleep. 

 

About the current Vine/Ostrich issue: What I've heard through PMs and here have convinced me that Vine is likely clean. The plan that Ostrich suggests seems too convoluted for the Spiked to attempt. If Vine is clean, then his contact likely also is as I assume Vine has found a way to clear him, which means that Ostrich too is a Villager. 

 

Honey Badger, my vote goes to you this cycle. The evidence just points too strongly for it to be likely false. As Meta said, I will be watching Lev and Spencer very carefully if Honey is indeed a Villager, but for now it seems to be our strongest lead.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Not sleeping is, as you say, not a crime. And perhaps I overemphasized the importance of sleeping, but both this cycle and last cycle that served as a good starting point for conversation. I guess my main problem stems from what you said, that people are openly revealing in the thread that they have not slept! That is a really easy way for the spiked to avoid most of the lynch discussion and get away free. If people were participating, placing votes, and then saying by the end of the day that they felt it was best not to place a vote, or putting a vote that doesn't count somewhere where it won't confuse things, that would be great. But claiming to not have slept and then trying to actively participate in conversation is too close to walking the line that the spiked probably are aiming for.

 

Just a couple of things: If we assume the 20% rule, and our dead fit that ratio, so it could still apply, then spiked actions are 5 times more valuable to that alignment than twinborn actions are to the village. So in my opinion, any one spiked is more likely to avoid sleeping than any one villager.

[The Honey Badger he/him]

I would like to say a few things in my defense:

 

1) In response to the matter of a nicroboosted bronze reading, that was legit, I even checked with the GMs to make sure that it was. They can verify that what I received was correct, and Lev and I were on the same page, he boosted me while I burned

 

2) Not sleeping should not be a reason for someone to be lynched, there are many people that don't sleep they simply don't say anything or don't vote so you never know

 

3) I have Feruchemical brass, when I am lynched, I will blow up and the last person to vote for me will die, Lev, Spencer, Kandra Skrull, they can all verify I have claimed that from the beginning, you all will have the opportunity to rescind your votes is you wish to live

[Metacognition he/him]

Burn away. Mail, feel free to pull your vote, if you so desire; I will leave mine on and thus protect everyone else. 

 

Threats don't tend to work very well on me. I'll gladly take one for the team if necessary. You see, that last bit has me convinced that Lev and Spencer are correct. If you were truly a villager, you wouldn't try to make this situation a two-for-one deal for the Spiked just to spite the villagers. To me, that reads as a last, desperate attempt at staying alive. I don't blame you for trying such a tactic, but if you're a villager, I'll call your bluff and if you're a Spiked, I'll gladly save a few others. 

[Feligon he/him]

Nicroburst.

 

Splinter.

Edited April 14, 2015 by Feligon

[twelfthrootoftwo]

I guess my main problem stems from what you said, that people are openly revealing in the thread that they have not slept!

 

Didn't you argue otherwise last cycle? Or did I misunderstand you then?

Confusion about votes lets the spiked slip emotimancy by us and hurts the margins of the lynch. In a normal game, having a margin of 3 or 4 would pretty much ensure the lynch to go through. But now, we probably need around 5, and the spiked could mess with the confidence level there by not sleeping and voting for the lynchee.

 

 

So the arguments against Honey Badger are:

-They have a metal known to belong to one of the Spiked (Allomantic bronze)

-They presented false Allomantic bronze readings to Lev

-They strongly defended Winter last round

 

The results of this lynch will be quite interesting. I'd be surprised if Lev and Spencer have gone to such lengths to frame Honey Badger, though I'm not game to put out a vote given his Feruchemical brass claim.

Lev, have you compared what Honey Badger sent you to the scan by Phat (I think) on night 2, where the Spiked Allomantic bronze was active? That might make for an interesting comparison. It seems like quite a risk to give out a scan that's clearly only for one room, and if you're correct about Honey Badger, then we might be able to draw something from it.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I guess I should lay out all the points about sleeping that have been brought to the table that I think are important, and if I leave anything out then just tell me. This should summarize all of the thought I have had and/or that I have been convinced of by other players:

1) You have to sleep to vote

2) We can't tell who hasn't slept from the outcome of the vote unless the vote is solitary

3) Anyone who proclaims to have not slept doesn't have serious weight in the lynch discussion unless they make crazy comments

4) Some people (those trying to become savants/looking for items/some feruchemists) have legitimate reasons to do 3 actions every night.

5) We find spiked through the lynch discussion primarily, with some supplements from seeking roles and PMs

6) If enough of the village is active, it can control the lynch even with votes that don't exist

Pewter is always nice

So, there are obviously some people that are going to avoid sleeping. Also, time bubbles can cause problems for people that get unlucky.  If there are too many of these people, then the spiked can control the lynch by misguiding a couple of well-slept villagers without us really being able to point fingers very well. The other problem is if we have around 10 or so of these people and they just claim to have not slept. At that point we don't have much reason to ask for their input/whatever they do doesn't have any real force behind it. Currently, we are having a combination of the two problems. Last cycle, 9 votes were placed, and only 6 counted. That means that only 1/3 of the remaining players took part in discussion and committed to a lynch, and 1/3 of those were just faking. I'm actually surprised that the spiked haven't tried to do anything with that, since beating a 3-vote margin is laughably easy with 25+ players remaining in the game.

 

Actually, I'm surprised that Honey hasn't tried anything at this point either. With a paragraph long defense and some reasoning against another player, this lynch isn't really settled yet, especially since we don't know how many of the votes placed are actually going to count. Also, I'm fine taking one for the team, so Honey Badger. If I die, the AG had amazing dead doc discussions so I'll be happy there, and maybe send my cognitive shadow to cause some mayhem now and then.

[Lord Pifferdoo he/him]

If the Spiked spike someone powerful, what's to stop that person from just telling everyone else who all the Spiked are and then either sacrifice themselves or get a Lurcher to pull it out? The Lurcher would have to die, unless you managed to manipulate a Spiked Lurcher by getting him in a room with the Lambchop and then Nicrobursting him secretly? 

And then whomever has Hazecrusher would smack the crap out of him.

 

'Course, that plan falls apart if the Spiked have Hazecrusher on their hands. 

 

But I don't think they do, because they would have used it last night and we would have a dead ostrich on our hands. 

[Surgebound Rainspren he/him]

There's still a chance that the spiked have the Hazecrusher. It would make sense to not use it last night because a villager kill the cycle after the Hazecrusher was found would be very suspicious.

[Lord Pifferdoo he/him]

There's still a chance that the spiked have the Hazecrusher. It would make sense to not use it last night because a villager kill the cycle after the Hazecrusher was found would be very suspicious.

 

Ah. Good point. 

[Clanky he/him]

If the Spiked spike someone powerful, what's to stop that person from just telling everyone else who all the Spiked are and then either sacrifice themselves or get a Lurcher to pull it out? The Lurcher would have to die, unless you managed to manipulate a Spiked Lurcher by getting him in a room with the Lambchop and then Nicrobursting him secretly? 

And then whomever has Hazecrusher would smack the crap out of him.

 

'Course, that plan falls apart if the Spiked have Hazecrusher on their hands. 

 

But I don't think they do, because they would have used it last night and we would have a dead ostrich on our hands. 

 

 

Why would the person who got spiked do this though? Once spiked your team alignment and through that also victory conditions change. Someone doing that would amount to the same as a villager becoming trusted by villagers and then doing everything in their power to get themselves spiked so they could work for the Spiked from the inside. That would basically be actively working against your team. While that might technically be allowed I think it constitutes a fairly cheap way to win. 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I think the only alignment problem in this game is if somebody gets unspiked, in which case they would know the identity of all of the spiked team.

[Clanky he/him]

Honey Badger. There have been several people willing to take one for the team and go down with you. However I prefer we don't lose an innocent (or two if we are all wrong about you) when we take you down and I have a feeling I may be able to handle a little bit of fire.

[Aonar he/him]

The day is over! Results are coming soon, with the write up hopefully coming not long after.

[Aonar he/him]

Night Five: Trapped

 

Rumours were flying with the first real success for the villagers. Chief among them was that Axies had sensed a Seeker hemalurgist shortly before he died. The idea had been around for a while, but most had dismissed it; after all, what use did the spiked have for a Seeker?

 

It still seemed more than enough to spark their paranoia. Honerius was the only other Seeker known to the village, and with the amount of time he spent away from the village trapping, very little else was known about him. Many grew wary, and his defence of Cleo, the only hemalurgist found so far, seemed only to confirm their suspicions.

 

As the day grew to a close, Honerius holed himself up inside his home, and the villagers grew ever more certain of his guilt. He was trapped in his own lies as surely as any snare. Had he not been facing death as a result, he would've appreciated the irony.

 

Eventually, a small party formed if front of his door. Cylkan, the lamplighter, wasn't sure exactly what he was doing as a part of it. Being a part of a lynch-mob wasn't exactly something he'd ever wanted. The lamps had been extinguished however, years of hard work ruined in a night, and someone needed to pay.

 

With an unspoken signal, they entered the house. Everyone was alert; Honerius' reputation as a trapper was anything but undeserved, and if he really was a spiked, the house was liable to be just as dangerous as it's inhabitant. They split off, and Cylkan found himself alone.

 

He walked into a room that after a quick glance appeared to be a study. Honerius sat in a chair on the far side, contemplating a bloody knife. Rust.

 

The other man looked up, grimacing slightly as he moved. "You've come, have you? Take a seat. I'm not much threat to anyone, at the moment."

 

Cylkan stayed where he was, torn between anger and fear. Here was a murderer, someone who had betrayed friends and kin for the favour of a cruel god. He deserved to die. 

 

"Thinking of killing me? I'm afraid you're a little late on that count." Honerius lifted his shirt revealing a wound in his gut. "My brethren aren't too fond of failure."

 

Anger was giving way to confusion. What was this? A hemalurgist left to die by his fellows? What was the point? Eventually, Cylkan found his voice. "Why? Why leave you here? What does this gain anyone? The house doesn't even seem to have any traps."

 

"How astute of you. It doesn't seem to, does it?" Honerius' voice changed, eyes burning with mad fervor. "You see, I am the trap." He closed his eyes, and the air around him warped, an intense rush of wind blowing in, slamming the door shut. The boards under his feet split and cracked, charring for a moment before bursting into flame. The fire spread with unnatural speed, and in moments the whole room was engulfed, with Cylkan trapped inside.

 

*****

 

Hours later, Cylkan was pulled from the still smoldering wreckage, burned, bruised and battered, but still alive, if barely. 

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Honerius was a Spiked with Allomantic Bronze and Feruchemical Brass!

Cylkan was attacked, but survived!

 

Votes:

Honerius: (5) Levant, Llurch, Walin, Neo, Malrick, Millie, Hadrian, Cylkan
Karlin: (0) Failu

 

You have twenty-four hours from now to get your night actions in. The Night will end on Thursday at 10:00 PM CDT.

Edited April 15, 2015 by Aonar Faileas

[Lord Pifferdoo he/him]

Woohoo! Another one bites the dust! And by dust I mean the air around him as it combusted!

Edited April 15, 2015 by Lord Pifferdoo

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Did I blow up?

 

Edit: Thanks Clanky

Edited April 15, 2015 by Araris Valerian

[Clanky he/him]

No problem Araris. The heat never bothered me anyway.

[Bort he/him]

Excellent. Two down. Some to go.

 

And thank you Clanky for volunteering to be exploded. I hope you remembered to pack your marshmallows.

 

Any chance we could get a current map please?

Edited April 15, 2015 by Bort

[Kandra Skrull]

I would like to see an updated map as well.

[Clanky he/him]

Cylkan was lying in a bed in a state between sleeping and waking. He needed to wake up though, he could feel it but every time he tried he was met with pain and an intense heat. However there was something that needed to be done, and if he couldn't do it than he had to make sure someone else did. He didn't know if anyone else was in the room to hear him but he needed to try.

 

"The lamps.... keep them lit. They must not go out..... I cannot.... please help"

 

With all his strength used up he slipped back into a restless sleep. His dreams full of fire, spikes and death.

 

 

 

This is a good pace. Only losing two villagers for every spiked. However I don't really know that we gained too much new information from this lynch though since there really wasn't any doubt in who would be killed.