Long Game 11: Twinborn Village

[The Honey Badger he/him]

I actually think that I was wrong, the RP in the write up can't be used as evidence

[phattemer]

yeah, but i fell like he included it on purpose. "would-be" and then later, with what was obviously a spiked kill, it sounded like the killer was experienced.

[Eolhondras he/him]

Araris, you're correct I haven't posted yet this game. There are reasons for my inactivity, but basically it comes down to me being slack and lazy. You can lynch me if you wish, but I've only had small back and forths with Alvron and Phattemer, so doing so would give you next to no information. As it is, either everyone is like me and feeling a bit behind the eight ball with all the complex mechanics, or there is a mass of scheming going on behind the scenes, either way, not good for the village. The collective thrive on open discussion, not back play.

[luckat she/her]

First, I am in contact with a Kandra who is willing to work with us for a Village win. We're going to want to coordinate with them to find and eliminate the Spiked more easily. If the people here agree and are willing to trust me, I can serve as a liaison to the Kandra.

 

Next, the day is already more than half over, and there's only one vote. We need to start trying to find the Spiked. We're not going to be able to do that unless we're more active. I know a lot of us have been in PMs, but we need to remember that the thread is where our most valuable information is. Not posting just makes it easier for the Spiked to hide. There are nine people who have not posted at all since the game started: Nicroburst, Spencer, Splinter, Tulir, lev, Dow, Neo, Sart, and Jaelre. We need you to post. This inactivity is going to hurt us. I normally don't like poke votes, but with so little discussion happening so far, I'm going to vote for Tulir. I've seen that you've been on, and I'd like to know what you've been doing this game and if you have anything to add.

 

We need to put together the information we have so far. There have been two nights. The Spiked have attacked two people. First, they attacked me, but I was protected. Next, they attacked Joe, and he died. Joe didn't say much. During the first night, he advocated keeping what room we're in secret. He didn't say anything after that. Perhaps there is something we can glean from these targets.

 

Also there are the time bubbles. We know there were two Cadmium mistings and two Bendalloy mistings active during Night 1. According to Winter and Piff, there was at least one Cadmium misting active during Night 2. It would be helpful for them to tell us where they were and whether they moved in addition to how many actions they lost so we can figure out what time bubbles were active. Joe was a Cadmium misting, but given people's reactions to the Cadmium last cycle, it seems likely he would not have left it on. There's no way to know for sure, but I suspect a spiked Cadmium misting is responsible for the lost actions this cycle. The Bendalloy mistings might not have been active and might have spread out to other rooms.

[Alvron]

Rolan placed the finishing touches on the headstone and waved for Jain to bring over the molten silver.  Carefully pouring the silver into the grooves Rolans hand betrayed only a slight tremor.  Once cooled Rolan and Jain loaded the finished headstone onto their cart and wheeled it over to the open grave.

 

Jode wasn't going to be buried until nightfall, the grave having been only half dug.  Instructing Jain to dig out a small area at the top of the grave Rolan leaned back against the cart grabbed a water canteen and took a swig before tossing it to one of the grave diggers.

 

Nodding his thanks the digger gulped down several mouthfuls before passing it to his fellow workers and strolling over to Rolan.

 

"This it?"

"This is what was asked for."

"Fitting."

"Indeed.  Looks like Jain has finished.  Give us a hand will ya."

 

Hefting the headstone the three of them positioned it at the head of the grave.  Rolan and the digger held it steady while Jain filled in the hole around the grave marker.  Once finished they all moved to the bottom of the grave and gazed at the now standing headstone.  Simple in design its silver lettering shining bright on the black stone.

 

Jode
He died as he lived
Ignoring People's good advice

 

 

With the talk about the write up I feel I should point out that we have no reason to think that there is anything in the write up to go on.  Aonar is the one doing the write up and is known for trolling.  There may well be things hidden in the write up but it might also just be GM flair or worse Aonar laughing at us as we try and dissect what he has hidden.

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

"Rolan! What's this, now!" Kwon cried indignantly, as soon as he saw the fresh-dug grave. "For over forty years, I've been selling you metals, and now you go to someone else for good silver? To a rusting outsider?"

 

The sheer gall! Why, he had half a mind...

 

I agree that we need to start being more active in the thread, and that someone needs to get lynched today. The inactives need to get in here, but in the specific case of Tulir, he did warn us before the game began that he would be away from WiFi from the 7th to the 12th, and we encouraged him to join all the same.

 

The RP did mention Jode burning Cadmium, but as others have mentioned, we may need to take that with a grain of salt. Ella, were you in the Town Square when your attack came? Because the RP then made it seem so, and the more evidence as to whether RP clues should be accepted or rejected as information, the better.

 

I would like to announce that I was the intended victim of last night's spiking, and the "would-be hemalurgist" has since confessed that he was merely attacking me for my powers. I believe he is telling the truth, but if he is, then it was an incredibly foolish decision. Guys, even if we disregard that spikes have a 25% chance of TURNING US EVIL, taking out our friends and allies to make ourselves stronger only helps the Spiked. The Village lives or dies as a team. Divided, we fall.

 

Ask yourself a question: in the novels, does hemalurgy typically work out well for the good guys?

 

Note: Because I've been egregiously inconsistent so far, I've decided to standardize my posts. Henceforth, my RP is in green, my game discussion is in black, and my out-of-game discussion is in blue.

Edited April 6, 2015 by Wonko the Sane

[Bort he/him]

I think the reason for the low vote count is because people are active during the night and votes only count when you have slept.

That's why I've not voted yet. I've been doing other stuff. I'm not voting again today for the same reason.

Edited April 6, 2015 by Bort

[Surgebound Rainspren he/him]

First, I am in contact with a Kandra who is willing to work with us for a Village win. 

It would make sense for the Kandra to work with us villagers. Working together would mean we would far out-number the spiked. If all the spiked are killed then both the Kandra and the Villagers win.

[phattemer]

I have active PMs with Tulir, lev, Dow, so I suggest that we pick someone else.

[twelfthrootoftwo]

I have active PMs with Tulir, lev, Dow, so I suggest that we pick someone else.

But that's the kind of person we want to go after. They're not helping the village effort in thread, but are engaging with the game, hence if we press them it's likely to get a response. These votes are (generally) meant to change activity, rather than lynch genuine inactives. We can't afford people to play via PM and expect the rest of us to hold the line for the Village in thread.

Dowanx

 

First, I am in contact with a Kandra who is willing to work with us for a Village win. We're going to want to coordinate with them to find and eliminate the Spiked more easily. If the people here agree and are willing to trust me, I can serve as a liaison to the Kandra.

Working with the kandra will be useful. But if they're proactive enough to kick off a Village alliance, they may well do the same with the Spiked. So, yes, but with caution.

 

Did anyone see anything in PMs that would give the Spiked a reason to target Joe? I notice he had Feruchemical pewter, which may have been why - if he told anyone.

[Clanky he/him]

This probably doesn't mean much but back in Day 1 when I put a vote (that didn't count no matter what) on myself someone moved it to Meta. It doesn't really give more information but at least it's something. 

 

This game is progressing very slowly since we don't have a plan or strategy to discuss. I don't have any ideas now but if anyone has even the most basic outline of a plan then I think they should post it. Until we have something to discuss it will be hard to form any real suspicions. 

 

But since we don't have that yet I agree with Araris for voting (albeit with little evidence) as our only info gathering technique outside of PMs. Also Bort nobody other than you knows when you don't sleep so you could've still used your vote to put pressure on someone even if it won't actually cause a lynch.

 

Lev

 

EDIT: Vote change

Edited April 6, 2015 by Clanky

[neodymium]

Sorry for the inactivity everyone.  I was trying to understand a little bit more before I posted so that I didn't look stupid.  Anyways I have had some conversation with both Dow and Lev.  I forgot to sleep last cycle so I won't be able to vote.  I hope to contribute more with time.

[The Honey Badger he/him]

I don't think punishing new players for trying to figure out the game, is the right way to get more players, we should give people time to figure it out, it's only been two cycles.

[lev]

Sorry I havn't been posting. I am in the last week of school before finals and in the process of being admitted into a new program. I have been trying to figure out the game but won't be tremendously active for the the next few cycles.

In other words, please don't lynch me.

[Clanky he/him]

See there we go. I wasn't trying to punish or lynch him. I just wanted to see some activity. So Lev, do you have any ideas on how to find some spiked?

[dowanx]

I haven't really posted anything in the forums because I don't have much to add

 

The game is wonderfully complex and some analysis of the rules is already going on.  The only thing I haven't heard mentioned is the metal spike changing faction mechanic and how it relates to the number of spiked.  We normally assume the spiked are 1/5 or 1/6 our number, but with the metal spikes and two metal spikes out there wouldn't the GMs make it more like 1/7 or 1/8?  I don't know how or even if that might help us, but I haven't seen anyone point this out so I figured I might as well.

 

As for Lynching I don't know if we should or not.  With the sleeping mechanism in place I doubt, as others have said, that many people can vote (well have their vote count).  With the Lynch theoretically in the hands of a few, I don't know if Lynching early is a smart play.  Lynching is a great tool to get information, but with how many abilities are out there we have a lot of other mechanisms to find information.  So yes we should Lynch... but I don't know if Lynching this cycle might be our best move.  

[lev]

Yep, but I think it would be better to discuss it via pm so that the spiked can't see what we are planning. Feel free to pm me if you want to discuss it.

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

Yep, but I think it would be better to discuss it via pm so that the spiked can't see what we are planning. Feel free to pm me if you want to discuss it.

 

See, the issue with that is that the Spiked can PM just as easily as the rest of us. Plus, the fact that they get a doc means that they can coordinate their PMs with each other secretly.

 

The Spiked have way more to hide than any of us. They thrive on secrecy: the less knowledge is publicly available, the more free they are to manipulate us behind the scenes.

 

When everything is on the table, the Village has the advantage. The only hope the Eliminators have of winning is by turning a game of 5 vs. 25 into a game of 5 vs. 3 vs. 1 vs. 3 vs. 4 vs. 2 vs etc.

 

I'm not saying that you should come out and tell us all your powers, location, and plans, but consider that when we deal in secret, we foster intrigue, and intrigue is what wins the Eliminators the game.

[phattemer]

Good point Wonko. I agree, and remember they might even have only 4 this game, as there are ways to convert. However they do need to kill all the villagers, so Newan could have given them more.

[spencer12347 he/him]

I'm sorry that i haven't really been on here it is just that this if my very first time role playing and i'm trying to get use to all the things that are happening. I have made a few mistakes on the pms but I think i got everything down now, and ill love to play with all of you. 

[Clanky he/him]

I feel like with 2 days already without a lynch is really a waste of time. Anyways my vote couldn't have caused a lynch on Lev anyways. Proof:

 

Cylkan

[Aonar he/him]

One hour left! As of now, the votes stand at:

 

Tulir (1): Ella

Dow (1): Kirrah

Cyklan (1): Cyklan

Sheesh you guys can be dull for such a big group. : P

Edited April 7, 2015 by Aonar Faileas

[luckat she/her]

Thanks for posting Spencer, lev, Dow, and Neo. I'm glad people have been discussing a bit today. I hope there is more in the future.
 

I agree that we need to start being more active in the thread, and that someone needs to get lynched today. The inactives need to get in here, but in the specific case of Tulir, he did warn us before the game began that he would be away from WiFi from the 7th to the 12th, and we encouraged him to join all the same.

I forgot Tulir said that. Sorry. I'll retract that vote because he has a good reason. It would have been nice if he had reminded us of that like Mailliw did though. There's not really time to lynch someone this cycle, and everyone close enough to be lynched has voted, so I'll hold back my vote again.
 

The RP did mention Jode burning Cadmium, but as others have mentioned, we may need to take that with a grain of salt. Ella, were you in the Town Square when your attack came? Because the RP then made it seem so, and the more evidence as to whether RP clues should be accepted or rejected as information, the better.

 
I was in the Town Square when I was attacked. I was attacked during action cycle 1. Everyone was in the Town Square then. Also, no one could have initiated an attack from a different room that night. However, in that RP the person who was attacked was sleeping during the attack. I was not sleeping at that time. I've asked Aonar about hints in the RP, and he said that, other than what is explicit, the RP doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what actually happened. I don't think we could use it to determine the alignment of the spiker. Besides, I think there is an argument to be made that they were already spiked, but had never been the one to charge a spike before.
 

Working with the kandra will be useful. But if they're proactive enough to kick off a Village alliance, they may well do the same with the Spiked. So, yes, but with caution.

Caution is a good plan, but for now I think the Kandra are willing to work with us. We do have the numbers, after all.
 

Did anyone see anything in PMs that would give the Spiked a reason to target Joe? I notice he had Feruchemical pewter, which may have been why - if he told anyone.

He never mentioned anything about his powers to me, and I didn't hear anyone else mention him talking about his powers. We have no way of knowing who knew something about him from PMs, and I doubt the Spiked would mention it if it was a factor.

 

 

Edit: Aonar, doesn't Araris still have a vote on Eol?

Edited April 7, 2015 by luckat

[Kandra Skrull]

I agree with Dow. We shouldn't be lynching blindly with no information while we have so many avenues in place for confirmation. 

 

So has anyone got anything?

[Lightsworn Panda he/him]

I agree with Dow. We shouldn't be lynching blindly with no information while we have so many avenues in place for confirmation. 

 

So has anyone got anything?

 

Lynching blindly actually does give us some information, and our current lynch seems to be drawn anyway (although I expect some vote-changing shenanigans). I'd like to hear about these "avenues" you speak of.

 

Edit; Colour.

Edited April 7, 2015 by Lightsworn Panda