Quick Fix Game 71: 5D Shard Game With Multiverse Time Travel*

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

15 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Why sleep when read book all night! Please tell me this is a terrible idea, I need to be able to think clearly tomorrow morning...

Unfortunately, my copy is an actual paper book, and I hate reading paper books.

This is a terrible idea

[Aeternum]

Just now, DrakeMarshall said:

This is a terrible idea

Thanks for being the voice of reason

(I'm doing it anyway, you can't stop me!!!) (unless I fall asleep while reading, which will probably happen)

[Cash67]

I will be falling asleep now. I look forward to seeing my fate. I shall see y'all tomorrow, either as a Returned or as a preist!

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

1 minute ago, Aeternum said:

Thanks for being the voice of reason

(I'm doing it anyway, you can't stop me!!!) (unless I fall asleep while reading, which will probably happen)

is that a challenge

technically, I can stop you though

I could abuse my powers and end the game RIGHT NOW so that you didn't finish before the game ended

bet ya didn't think about that

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA my powers are without limits or brakes!!!! >:)

(i am not going to do that)

[Kasimir he/him]

3 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

is that a challenge

technically, I can stop you though

I could abuse my powers and end the game RIGHT NOW so that you didn't finish before the game ended

bet ya didn't think about that

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA my powers are without limits or brakes!!!! >:)

(i am not going to do that)

Sir

16 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

 

About the same as what I've got on Aeo, cool. Sounds like a tomorrow problem!

Hmm. Ngl I think it's possible depending on the profile (reactivity) but I'm willing to accept the boldness issue for the moment and push elsewhere. Will fix vote when I am not hopping trains

[Aeternum]

5 minutes ago, Cash67 said:

I will be falling asleep now. I look forward to seeing my fate. I shall see y'all tomorrow, either as a Returned or as a preist!

Sleep well knowing that I will vanquish evil for you. Or well, someone will. Dream of salmon!

4 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

is that a challenge

technically, I can stop you though

I could abuse my powers and end the game RIGHT NOW so that you didn't finish before the game ended

bet ya didn't think about that

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA my powers are without limits or brakes!!!! >:)

(i am not going to do that)

First off: Nah, I'd win

Second off: WHO'S WATCHING DRAKE WHERES THE IM

(No I didn't think about that smh) No salmon for you anymore.  

 

[Aeternum]

ban me for the double post but

Hey @RoyalBeeMage

(you're lurking aren't you )

Any thoughts on who we should vote today? 

Edit

Perhaps I missed him, rip.

I'm probably going to sleep soon, so my vote is staying.

Edited May 6, 2024 by Aeternum

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

2 hours ago, DrakeMarshall said:

I mean, I certainly couldn't, but I do not read things quickly.

I do remember things pretty well once I read them, though, which is probably why I don't have any problem running a themed game even though it's been a hot minute since I read Warbreaker

I bet you could do it, though. I trust.

There's two types of people. 

4 hours ago, DrakeMarshall said:

random question of the day: if you were a Returned, what would your fancy Returned name be

...while this is a funny lil icebreaker question, for one of you it's more than a hypothetical!

but don't mind me overly much, you should definitely just ignore this if you have Actual Game Discussion you'd rather be doing

Hairblight the Bald.

[Kasimir he/him]

Hnnh. Archer wasn't wrong about my being on at rollover, though this implies Bee and Aeo's timezones are likely to overlap it. Thank Dawntrue for PC.

Thoughts on Re-Read:

-Dislike Bee's lack of engagement. Suggestive more of E!Bee - compares unfavourably to Bee's earnestness in QF70. Reserve right to change view later but this post reminds me we haven't heard much from Bee.

-Still feel Archer pulled off Bee a tad too early - which is ironic given Archer's post. Have other reasons to lean V!Archer (cf. the distro talk - theoretically easy to conceal inability to Elim hunt in distro/mech talk but I'll give Archer credit for highlighting the HP issue as it's still an assumption new players in particular make too easily so it's worth reminding the room.)

-Agree with Aet read, though am basing on different factors. Proactiveness here theoretically a good sign but not inclined to overcredit Aeo for it. Potential element of Aeo overcredencing herself; question of TMI and Aet flags this.

-TUA flags RBM. What about them, @The Unknown Ajah?

12 hours ago, The Unknown Ajah said:

RBM is on my radar.

I've laid out my thoughts about a tentative mild V!lean on the basis of TUA's suggestion of exeing me. (Ha. Words I never thought I'd say.) I don't disagree with the E!range issue and Archer's rejoinder but I'm comfortable sitting on an asterisked weak read for the moment since it helps me formulate my C1 preference thoughts.

-I don't feel Kidpen deserves credit for being ambivalent about the options. This is sort of where I am on this particular specific issue wrt Aeo moving between nominating Archer but also thinking she shouldn't exe a Villager. The part I kind of disliked and had an exchange with Kidpen about is here since theoretically speaking, it's really less severe on wincon for Village than for an Elim. Kidpen points out it does affect wincon, and I agree it's technically true, and give it a break.

12 hours ago, Kidpen said:

Although actually-do we want a Heretic or a Priest to die today? I'm thinking a Heretic would be ideal, but there is some benefit to a Priest dying as well. So if I were to die it would be an okay situation for me, other than the whole win condition situation.

11 hours ago, Kidpen said:

Because villagers dying helps the elims win, and elims dying helps the villagers win. So in terms of direct affect, me dying hurts my (and the villager's) wincon, even if there are some positive affects for a villager dying as well.

-This post got me a bit on the V!Aet train. Both in terms of denying easy towncred (I'll agree some Elims play that way) but also because this is a clearer refocus on the need to exe an Elim and the first direct pushback (IMO) that we've seen since the idea was floated.

-Weaver's 'NO U' retaliatory vote here makes me consider a high reactivity new Elim profile. It may not be the correct profile.

-Archer's post makes me realise I missed this from Kidpen. Considering the odds E!Kidpen doesn't know about the Lovers feature. Not impossible as Elims do derp, but the post is timed at 0127hrs and the cycle started at around 1500+ so huh. Maybe I need to reconsider.

12 hours ago, Kidpen said:

Wdym? We have to identify all the heretics regardless, since our win condition is eliminating them.

-Don't strongly disagree with Archer on this one. I'll look up Raven comparators after this.

11 hours ago, TheRavenHasLanded said:

*snoring* wait huh- oh hi yall. Sorry, i was asleep so i didnt get to see this. anyways, RBM thats rather rude of you, and just for reasons I can't articulate (like normal, welcome to my hideous SE gameplay), Cash67 has caught my eye. @Cash67

Posting this in advance to catch TUA since I had a TUA question and would like a timely response.

[Kidpen he/him]

3 hours ago, Kasimir said:

My issue with Kidpen is that this is the second time Kidpen has made a slightly odd comment: A. wincon, B. "we automatically lose" if a Heretic gets exed D1. I shrugged at Kidpen's explanation for the first point (technically correct but uncommon way of thinking for many V imo, fair enough) but the second time makes me squint harder.

In terms of the "we automatically lose"-I was interpreting Cash's statement, I intended it as an obviously impossible scenario. Like, the way they phrased it would imply that the elim would become returned and still count as alive, therefore making it impossible for the village to win.

I'm considering whether I should vote for one of the 2s. It would increase our chances of hitting an elim, but it might also cost us some discussion time since I'm worried too much of cycle 2 would be focused on me if I didn't flip.

Oh, I just realized Kas switched to Weaver. Maybe this is less important then.

[Kasimir he/him]

Edited to add:

Carrying on. May have lost a decent chunk of my post so crying on as well

-I feel I would not be willing to push Wierdo for that retaliatory vote + opportunistic wagon hop in a normal game. However, this is a high new player game, which means discarding to some extent meta views and the D1 semi-death is unusual. I'd add the vote has already been called out for being a sheep vote, and sus vote is sus. (In a V!Wierdo world, I would argue the Elims are likely to stay off that train. This reasoning partly extends to a V!Kidpen world as well IMO - the play here is to decline the train, let Villagers take it, and then yell at the Villagers for a patently bad ML afterwards.)

-I feel Archer has some reads inconsistency here. Normally I would intuitively regard this sort of inconsistency as being more Village-indicative and- bah, no, it doesn't really change the read I've ascribed Archer but godDAMN am I grouchy about it 

11 hours ago, Archer said:

I'm aware PMs are a precious resource, that's why I wanted you to use yours if you wanted the answer. :P. I feel like there was a missed opportunity to make them Breath themed. Add that to the patch notes. 

-Lmao

11 hours ago, Kidpen said:

That's alright. Consider sharing some thoughts on the discussion that is going on. Archer has a lot of interaction going on with a lot of people, maybe you should start talking to them and split their attention even more

-I can confirm the fastest way to drive me insane as a Villager in a game is to...not NK me and then leave me questioning my one (1) job

11 hours ago, The Unknown Ajah said:

I don't want to make Kas essentially immortal if he doesn't have the time or just doesn't want it. Kas tends to like soaking up the elim kill.

-This is the second statement from Kidpen that drove me wild.

10 hours ago, Cash67 said:

No you have to eliminate all but one. If the initial killed is returned, I think their elimination no longer counts towards win con. 

In response to Cash, Kidpen says:

10 hours ago, Kidpen said:

Wouldn't this imply that we lose automatically if the first vote is a Heretic? Since they are dead, I definitely think the last two would be considered "the last two" and become lovers.

I question this, because I don't understand how you can take the C1 exe of a Heretic to be an auto-loss for Village in terms of the rules, and am wondering if this emerges from an Elim perspective slip.

On further thoughts, I think I have a way for this to make sense, though IDK if I am trying too hard:

Given the context, Kidpen is arguing if the wincon was really to eliminate all but one Elim, then voting out a Heretic C1 on a three Elim team means we lose since the other two become Lovers. But I just struggle to make coherent sense out of even that because why is a 'eliminate all but one' wincon even in question in the first place? YO @Kidpen I see you just showed up, so was this what was going through your head?

-I don't disagree with Archer's conclusions but didn't need the wall of text to get there. Drake's a screwy murderchucker and I just came off a game where HE TOLD ME I WAS A VILLAGER AND I WON WHEN I OUTNUMBERED THE ELIMS  where he ran an E!Seeker and a smaller-than-usual E!team so this is very much up his alley.

7 hours ago, Archer said:

Conclusion: I think three elims is more likely, but I think two is well within Drake's range. So be wary of trusting High Priests. 

-I don't understand this:

8 hours ago, Aeternum said:

I see "conflict adverse" as possible elim not wanting to draw attention to themself. Or a LHF I think it's called (<- that's me too), so I'd be less inclined to go with a RBM vote and would assume it's more likely to be wolf-led. FOR NOW AT LEAST

If you see conflict aversion as being Evil, then why would you assume a vote on RBM is likely to be Evil?

- GET

YOUR

OWN

SALMON

SMDFBH

6 hours ago, DrakeMarshall said:

I think we should normalize this in society

Instead of people making apology videos, we should force them to make apology salmon

-Weaver/Aet not E/E.

-I kind of go back and forth here. I'm willing to defer to Aet's V!read for the moment as I don't feel strongly about what the appropriate Weaver profile is here but feel there's enough room/possibility for Weaver to be the sort of high-reactivity player that would push back this way. This one is more something I'd flag not to sleep on in subsequent cycles.

-Easy target here. The dark part of my brain that whispers paranoid thoughts is now fixating on RBM.

6 hours ago, RoyalBeeMage said:

next thoughts: I can’t get a good read on anyone yet. I am wondering if one of the new players are the elim. So that would be me, you, weaver and spark. I don’t think that the have posted much yet.

Ah, fy faen, this is not helping

<NO> : Aet, TUA, Archer??, Cash???, Aeo
<OK>: Spark, Kidpen, RBM, Raven, Weaver, Wierdo

Say I give Kidpen credit for the ??? about the rules and drop Kidpen.

<Spark, RBM, Raven, Weaver, Wierdo>

Quote

Kidpen (2): Aeoryi, Aeternum
Cash67 (2): TheRavenHasLanded, Wierdo
Wierdo (2): Cash67, Kidpen
Eternum (1): Weaver of Lies
TheRavenHasLanded (1): Archer
Spark of Hope (1): RoyalBeeMage
Weaver of Lies (1): Kasimir

Ok. I can make this a four-way by voting Raven or I can decide the exe...

 

[Kidpen he/him]

Cash67. Given the current distribution and the fact that it seems like Kas will understand my reasoning if I explain more (although it was admittedly a silly interpretation of Cash's statement) I think a chance of hitting an elim is the better shot here.

Edit: Kas, it is also worth mentioning that when I forgot the lovers rule I had just gotten on the thread for the first time.

Edited May 6, 2024 by Kidpen

[Kasimir he/him]

9 minutes ago, Kidpen said:

Cash67. Given the current distribution and the fact that it seems like Kas will understand my reasoning if I explain more (although it was admittedly a silly interpretation of Cash's statement) I think a chance of hitting an elim is the better shot here.

Are you interested in a joint swap to Raven? I don't feel you or Cash are good pushes for today. For Cash, it just has to do with the sense the misunderstanding felt genuine and pushing to exe a Villager on that basis doesn't feel like an Elim opener.

Edited to add:

Honestly my personal preference is RBM after the re-read but I don't think we have the numbers.

Edited May 6, 2024 by Kasimir

[Kidpen he/him]

Just now, Kasimir said:

Are you interested in a joint swap to Raven? I don't feel you or Cash are good pushes for today. For Cash, it just has to do with the sense the misunderstanding felt genuine and pushing to exe a Villager on that basis doesn't feel like an Elim opener.

I agree Cash67 is not actually a good option. I don't have anything in particular against TheRavenHasLanded but I'm not voting out of actual reads at this point anyways, I would have to do more rereading than I have time for. So yes, since I have a moderate V read on you, this is fine.

[Kasimir he/him]

11 minutes ago, Kidpen said:

Edit: Kas, it is also worth mentioning that when I forgot the lovers rule I had just gotten on the thread for the first time.

Ngl, this is why IDK if it's a strong basis for a read. I don't think it is, but I kinda feel if you were Elim, this would be the thing mentioned in the doc as it's a biggie.

Sigh. I do not like the Raven train overtly, but from what I can see, it's the most realistic one for numbers and I dislike your train and Cash's more. I guess there's always a return to Wierdo, but...

Edited to add: @The Unknown Ajah, abstaining this cycle?

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

12 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Ngl, this is why IDK if it's a strong basis for a read. I don't think it is, but I kinda feel if you were Elim, this would be the thing mentioned in the doc as it's a biggie.

Sigh. I do not like the Raven train overtly, but from what I can see, it's the most realistic one for numbers and I dislike your train and Cash's more. I guess there's always a return to Wierdo, but...

Edited to add: @The Unknown Ajah, abstaining this cycle?

I would be willing to join on RBM. Otherwise, yeah, probably. Raven feels like a bad candidate if they're village due to lowish activity, and not particularly likely to be E. 

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, The Unknown Ajah said:

I would be willing to join on RBM.

What's your RBM views, real quick?

18 minutes ago, Kidpen said:

I agree Cash67 is not actually a good option. I don't have anything in particular against TheRavenHasLanded but I'm not voting out of actual reads at this point anyways, I would have to do more rereading than I have time for. So yes, since I have a moderate V read on you, this is fine.

Your thoughts, or are you currently at a 'nope nope no touching this' (fair) place?

[Kidpen he/him]

Ugh, aren't we in the literal last 5 minutes of the cycle? I would move to RBM if necessary to break a tie but otherwise I'd like to avoid it out of principle. I don't even remember any of their posts.

[Kasimir he/him]

Edited to add:

Wrt Raven there's something V!Raven does I haven't yet seen, but that being said I'll willingly acknowledge it's honestly a 'eh we lack numbers' kind of place therefore best of remaining trains deal in my head.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Just now, Kasimir said:

What's your RBM views, real quick?

Your thoughts, or are you currently at a 'nope nope no touching this' (fair) place?

Didn't like their cowardice backing down under pressure early in the cycle, and I feel that Archer created an odd e/e connection that makes me sus both of them more. 

1 minute ago, Kidpen said:

Ugh, aren't we in the literal last 5 minutes of the cycle? I would move to RBM if necessary to break a tie but otherwise I'd like to avoid it out of principle. I don't even remember any of their posts.

That's the best time for chaos!

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, The Unknown Ajah said:

Didn't like their cowardice backing down under pressure early in the cycle, and I feel that Archer created an odd e/e connection that makes me sus both of them more. 

E/E how?

Hmmm. Okay yeah I don't trust getting this done in one minute sigh.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

SILENCE WHILE DEATH AWAITS

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Mutual isolation may have at first resulted in banding together, but of course it doesn't last. Tensions are high and killers are still hiding somewhere. Despite being nominally in charge of investigating things, there's still no sight of Hopeteacher or Merrythunder in the palace. Everyone's on their own.

Raven inevitably falls under suspicion. After all, Dawntrue's sacred animal is salmon. Ravens, as some of the more perceptive priests put together, are not salmon. This is not the name that a faithful priest would choose.

It seems like perfectly sound reasoning. Everyone gathers in a circle to carry out the deed, and blood seeps across the floors, staining it a deep red. In fact, the shade of red just seems to be getting deeper and more brilliant with each passing moment. All of the colors in the room do, from the clothes to the tapestries to the paintings to the sunlight filtering in the window. This isn't normal.

A blinding light and a tangible surge of power fills the room. Everyone instinctively backs away as Raven rises up again, whole in body and mind, albeit lacking some memories. Raven looks around bewildered as some of the ex-priests kneel.

Clearly, Raven was not a heretic after all. It is inconceivable that the Iridiscent Tones would choose to Return a heretic from death.

A new life awaits for Raven. One of luxury and opportunity. But also one of responsibilities and expectations. Continuing a hands-on role in the murder investigation role seems... unlikely. It wouldn't be proper. Priests are the ones who are supposed to get their hands dirty at the behest of their gods.

...But while the Tones are known to offer second chances in life, they don't offer them to everyone. There are screams and shouts for help when Kidpen is discovered dead in the palace dining hall. The body doesn't look particularly fresh, and things take a turn for the worse when the body starts to twitch. Is it a Lifeless, lying in wait to claim more victims?

No, in fact. The cause of death becomes more clear when the onlookers realize the source of the movement: Kidpen's clothes. Multiple articles of clothing Awakened, apparently with murderous intent. Well, that would explain why nobody heard much in the ways of a struggle. It's hard to fight something like that.

Clearly, Dawntrue's killers aren't quite finished.

❁

TheRavenHasLanded has died! He was a Priest! He is now Returned!

Kidpen has died! He was a Priest!

❁

Vote Tally

TheRavenHasLanded (3): Archer, Kasimir, Kidpen
Kidpen (2): Aeoryi, Aeternum
Cash67 (2): TheRavenHasLanded, Wierdo
Aeternum (1): Weaver of Lies
RoyalBeeMage (1): The Unknown Ajah
Spark of Hope (1): RoyalBeeMage
Wierdo (1): Cash67

The turn will end in a little shy of 24 hours.

❁

Participants

1. @Aeoryi
2. @Aeternum
3. @Archer - Double the Drifter
4. @Cash67
5. @Kasimir - Ias, a Salmon Enthusiast
6. @Kidpen - Tethan Priest
7. @RoyalBeeMage
8. @Spark of Hope
9. @The Unknown Ajah
10. @TheRavenHasLanded Returned
11. @Weaver of Lies
12. @Wierdo

Edited May 6, 2024 by DrakeMarshall
AETERNUM not ETERNUM

[Kasimir he/him]

Kidpen feels like the kind of shot we can get timing off. I was pushing for Kidpen in late cycle and at the two-vote point, Kidpen came into contention. Likely indicative Kidpen was either marked for death prior to this, or during the end switch.

Noting that the killer here didn't consider this was Kidpen's returnee game. Accidents do happen (hi JNV) but it makes me feel Archer is potentially less likely to have held the knife. Similar sentiments for TUA but weaker. Unclear about how much Aeo cares about this. This isn't really helpful as the teams would be high on new players regardless and less familiar with this form of etiquette, but worth highlighting.

Edited to add:

I'll go ahead and vote with my heart first: Bee. 

6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

TheRavenHasLanded (3): Archer, Kasimir, Kidpen
Kidpen (2): Aeoryi, Aeternum
Cash67 (2): TheRavenHasLanded, Wierdo
Eternum (1): Weaver of Lies
RoyalBeeMage (1): The Unknown Ajah
Spark of Hope (1): RoyalBeeMage
Wierdo (1): Cash67

If I fill in some early credences...

6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

TheRavenHasLanded (3): Archer, Kasimir, Kidpen
Kidpen (2): Aeoryi, Aeternum
Cash67 (2): TheRavenHasLanded, Wierdo
Eternum (1): Weaver of Lies
RoyalBeeMage (1): The Unknown Ajah
Spark of Hope (1): RoyalBeeMage
Wierdo (1): Cash67

Bah. I'll come back later and do full vote analysis. I don't feel this slice alone is helpful because we had stable trains for a decent chunk of the cycle, so have to examine each slice from the start. Need some caffeine.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

19 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

E/E how?

Hmmm. Okay yeah I don't trust getting this done in one minute sigh.

Archer noted the backing away in pressure, but unvoted RBM in the same post. He didn't answer when I asked why.