Quick Fix Game 71: 5D Shard Game With Multiverse Time Travel*

[Through the Living Hope]

6 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Currently I do not like the looks of RBM or Spark. I think e!RBM matches up with this game's RBM, and so I'm tempted to continue to push there, for now. Archer is next on my list to scrutinize. While I'm here - thoughts on Spark, @Aeoryi?

Evil list: RBM, Archer, Spark, Weirdo. Vaguely in that order from most wolf-y to least. Btw, did we figure out how many evil ppl there are likely to be?

re: Spark. I don't like this:

And then this:

Are you defending RBM? Because that is what I am seeing. 

But I will take it (the first quote) into consideration.

Even if Archer is evil, I can still see a possibility of e!Weirdo as well. Esp. since it was followed by an unvote, but that was Raven-facilitated I suppose, and Raven is my #2 (slightly dead) townie.

Ain't helping the RBM case tbh.

Also - Weaver still has townie points from earlier, but I may be starting see the Kas side of e!Weaver possibility.

Also also, I haven't used my PM yet - should I PM Raven? I'll bring an apology salmon on town's behalf if so.

That’s all irl stuff. I’ve played mafia before irl and the accused is always given a chance to defend themselves.

As I said, it could be Bee, but I don’t know for sure.

[Aeoryi she/her]

:smiler:

[Aeternum]

Just now, Spark of Hope said:

That’s all irl stuff. I’ve played mafia before irl and the accused is always given a chance to defend themselves.

As I said, it could be Bee, but I don’t know for sure.

As in like, face-to-face, not online?

RBM has plenty of time left today to defend himself. I'm not sure about timezones rn, so I will be lenient on that.

1 minute ago, Aeoryi said:

:smiler:

Maf spotted

[Archer he/him]

9 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Didn't you say you were discounting that because you felt Bee was just leaving?

That's what I'm saying. My initial reasoning was they seemed reactive. I unvoted because I had better things to do with my vote than camp on a soon to be inactive player. Then I never followed up because I didn't really see much to solidify that read. Tbf I'm bad at clocking what people I don't know very well are doing, so they can easily avoid my radar

6 hours ago, TheRavenHasLanded said:

the high priest hasnt pm'd me yet.

Bruh, don't give the elims the chance to eliminate HP suspects by confirming a time range that they're on/not on. Unless you're lying, in which case, carry on

4 hours ago, The Unknown Ajah said:

I forgot what this quote was from, will edit in the answer.

Ah, I remember now. I think not pressuring someone because they're going to be gone is pretty poor reasoning (especially when he's suspecting me for uncontrollable timezone suspicions, inconsistent much, though I think that part is probably conf bias cause one is inherently much more valid than the other). And now he's given another inconsistent reasoning for it that isn't great either. I don't remember if Archer is a stab vote proponent, but if he is that's a very odd take. If he isn't, then it's just a little bit disappointing. 

This is triggering a lot of alarm bells right now. I'll address the most wth thing first but there's a couple others.

Being around at EoD is inherently suspicious? Come on now, even if that did make any sense at all, which it doesn't, I implied I could be on before the game started. You say that means that I could have killed Kid, but so could anyone who left early just as easily, plus Kidpen isn't really in my kill meta. 

Overall, I get the feeling this is coming from a worried e!Archer when I pegged him not going after his teammate.

You'd have preferred I camped my RBM vote? Early C1 I go for who is actively online and try to spam for reactions I can get within minutes. 

I think elims are more committed to being on at EOD to make sure everything ends up okay. Just because you could be on doesn't mean you necessarily will. If you are going to be on, wouldn't you join in on the conversation and try to work out some consensus, rather than waiting until called out to post? 

Undermining this argument, Kas kinda seemed suspicious of Kidpen at EOD, and I feel like TUA would have picked up on that and not NKed them. Better to have mix options to play with, than be stuck with only the Archer - RBM theory they're working with now. 

3 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

The fact that the NK was Kidpen suggests that the kill was changed last minute from Raven to Kidpen

Why NK kidpen over say Kas? I don't understand why you'd be in a situation where kidpen is your emergency option, unless as a group you had ruled out Kas and I already. Anyone remember what TUA's disposition towards killing Kas is usually? 

My best guess is HP hunting or two newbies who didn't know who kidpen is outvoted the third elim, who was ambivalent. I doubt they're all rookies. 

Maybe Kidpen being an active vote at EOD was threatening enough?? 

7 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Also also, I haven't used my PM yet - should I PM Raven? I'll bring an apology salmon on town's behalf if so.

If everyone PMs Raven, we can use them as a messenger between each other, which is nice

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

1 minute ago, Archer said:

That's what I'm saying. My initial reasoning was they seemed reactive. I unvoted because I had better things to do with my vote than camp on a soon to be inactive player. Then I never followed up because I didn't really see much to solidify that read. Tbf I'm bad at clocking what people I don't know very well are doing, so they can easily avoid my radar

Bruh, don't give the elims the chance to eliminate HP suspects by confirming a time range that they're on/not on. Unless you're lying, in which case, carry on

You'd have preferred I camped my RBM vote? Early C1 I go for who is actively online and try to spam for reactions I can get within minutes. 

I think elims are more committed to being on at EOD to make sure everything ends up okay. Just because you could be on doesn't mean you necessarily will. If you are going to be on, wouldn't you join in on the conversation and try to work out some consensus, rather than waiting until called out to post? 

Undermining this argument, Kas kinda seemed suspicious of Kidpen at EOD, and I feel like TUA would have picked up on that and not NKed them. Better to have mix options to play with, than be stuck with only the Archer - RBM theory they're working with now. 

Why NK kidpen over say Kas? I don't understand why you'd be in a situation where kidpen is your emergency option, unless as a group you had ruled out Kas and I already. Anyone remember what TUA's disposition towards killing Kas is usually? 

My best guess is HP hunting or two newbies who didn't know who kidpen is outvoted the third elim, who was ambivalent. I doubt they're all rookies. 

Maybe Kidpen being an active vote at EOD was threatening enough?? 

If everyone PMs Raven, we can use them as a messenger between each other, which is nice

that would be funny.

maybe i am, maybe im not....

[Through the Living Hope]

36 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

As in like, face-to-face, not online?

RBM has plenty of time left today to defend himself. I'm not sure about timezones rn, so I will be lenient on that.

Maf spotted

I haven’t met him face or face, but yes. I just want to give him time irl

[Aeoryi she/her]

27 minutes ago, Archer said:

That's what I'm saying. My initial reasoning was they seemed reactive. I unvoted because I had better things to do with my vote than camp on a soon to be inactive player. Then I never followed up because I didn't really see much to solidify that read. Tbf I'm bad at clocking what people I don't know very well are doing, so they can easily avoid my radar

Bruh, don't give the elims the chance to eliminate HP suspects by confirming a time range that they're on/not on. Unless you're lying, in which case, carry on

You'd have preferred I camped my RBM vote? Early C1 I go for who is actively online and try to spam for reactions I can get within minutes. 

I think elims are more committed to being on at EOD to make sure everything ends up okay. Just because you could be on doesn't mean you necessarily will. If you are going to be on, wouldn't you join in on the conversation and try to work out some consensus, rather than waiting until called out to post? 

Undermining this argument, Kas kinda seemed suspicious of Kidpen at EOD, and I feel like TUA would have picked up on that and not NKed them. Better to have mix options to play with, than be stuck with only the Archer - RBM theory they're working with now. 

Why NK kidpen over say Kas? I don't understand why you'd be in a situation where kidpen is your emergency option, unless as a group you had ruled out Kas and I already. Anyone remember what TUA's disposition towards killing Kas is usually? 

My best guess is HP hunting or two newbies who didn't know who kidpen is outvoted the third elim, who was ambivalent. I doubt they're all rookies. 

Maybe Kidpen being an active vote at EOD was threatening enough?? 

If everyone PMs Raven, we can use them as a messenger between each other, which is nice

Kas is wrong about something or pocketed 

[Aeternum]

2 minutes ago, Spark of Hope said:

I haven’t met him face or face, but yes. I just want to give him time irl

Fair enough. My vote remains regardless, while I wait.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Vote Tally
Archer (1): The Unknown Ajah
RoyalBeeMage (1): Aeternum
The Unknown Ajah (1): Archer
Weaver of Lies (1): Kasimir
Wierdo (1): Cash67

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

4 hours ago, Spark of Hope said:

Not saying it's not Bee, but we might want to wait until he can defend himself at least.

Waiting until someone can defend themselves to be waiting until we're all dead. If RBM didn't defend themselves when they had a chance (several people had mentioned suspicion at that point), then there's no reason for us to give them a second chance.

4 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

The fact that the NK was Kidpen suggests that the kill was changed last minute from Raven to Kidpen

I disagree here. EoD was way too volatile to kill anyone with votes on them. Kidpen feels pretty firmly like a placeholder kill to me.

36 minutes ago, Archer said:

That's what I'm saying. My initial reasoning was they seemed reactive. I unvoted because I had better things to do with my vote than camp on a soon to be inactive player. Then I never followed up because I didn't really see much to solidify that read. Tbf I'm bad at clocking what people I don't know very well are doing, so they can easily avoid my radar

Bruh, don't give the elims the chance to eliminate HP suspects by confirming a time range that they're on/not on. Unless you're lying, in which case, carry on

(TUA 1) You'd have preferred I camped my RBM vote? Early C1 I go for who is actively online and try to spam for reactions I can get within minutes. 

(TUA 2) I think elims are more committed to being on at EOD to make sure everything ends up okay. Just because you could be on doesn't mean you necessarily will. If you are going to be on, wouldn't you join in on the conversation and try to work out some consensus, rather than waiting until called out to post? 

Undermining this argument, Kas kinda seemed suspicious of Kidpen at EOD, and I feel like TUA would have picked up on that and not NKed them. Better to have mix options to play with, than be stuck with only the Archer - RBM theory they're working with now. 

Why NK kidpen over say Kas? I don't understand why you'd be in a situation where kidpen is your emergency option, unless as a group you had ruled out Kas and I already. (TUA 3) Anyone remember what TUA's disposition towards killing Kas is usually? 

My best guess is HP hunting or two newbies who didn't know who kidpen is outvoted the third elim, who was ambivalent. I doubt they're all rookies. 

Maybe Kidpen being an active vote at EOD was threatening enough?? 

If everyone PMs Raven, we can use them as a messenger between each other, which is nice

1 I mean. That's what I do, but I understand your reluctantance. A decent chunk of my initial distrust was you not answering me when I asked why you unvoted there. Your reactions from then on have just kinda compounded.

2 Yeah, that's not true for me. If I'm on, I'm on. Many people can attest, my activity doesn't vary predictably with alignment. As for that last bit, I was checking in as much as I could while I was doing other things. 

3 Kill it, kill it with fire. If I was e, one of you, Kas, or Aet would be dead rn.

[Aeoryi she/her]

10 minutes ago, The Unknown Ajah said:

Waiting until someone can defend themselves to be waiting until we're all dead. If RBM didn't defend themselves when they had a chance (several people had mentioned suspicion at that point), then there's no reason for us to give them a second chance.

I disagree here. EoD was way too volatile to kill anyone with votes on them. Kidpen feels pretty firmly like a placeholder kill to me.

1 I mean. That's what I do, but I understand your reluctantance. A decent chunk of my initial distrust was you not answering me when I asked why you unvoted there. Your reactions from then on have just kinda compounded.

2 Yeah, that's not true for me. If I'm on, I'm on. Many people can attest, my activity doesn't vary predictably with alignment. As for that last bit, I was checking in as much as I could while I was doing other things. 

3 Kill it, kill it with fire. If I was e, one of you, Kas, or Aet would be dead rn.

I disagree since there was a nine hour period of time where kidpen was competing for top wagon 

[Archer he/him]

TUA Aeternum

[Aeternum]

6 minutes ago, Archer said:

TUA Aeternum

Heh?

[Through the Living Hope]

… Archer I guess

[Aeternum]

2 minutes ago, Spark of Hope said:

… Archer I guess

This doesn't look good imo. Why

[Through the Living Hope]

1 minute ago, Aeternum said:

This doesn't look good imo. Why

Well I feel like I should vote someone, and no one else really seems suspicious to me right now.

I realize this probably looks bad on me but… *shrugs*

[RoyalBeeMage he/him]

29 minutes ago, Archer said:

TUA Aeternum

First of all this seems extremely random and suspicious but I can’t put my finger on why.

secondly I would like to defend myself.  I am not an elim. 
 

you are basing your opinion on me based of several things. That my current play style is inactivity and I was the same during the lg. this is because the last we was set during my holidays therefore I had the time to not be inactive 

[Aeoryi she/her]

32 minutes ago, Archer said:

TUA Aeternum

26 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Heh?

15 minutes ago, Spark of Hope said:

… Archer I guess

12 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

This doesn't look good imo. Why

11 minutes ago, Spark of Hope said:

Well I feel like I should vote someone, and no one else really seems suspicious to me right now.

I realize this probably looks bad on me but… *shrugs*

well, there's probably an elim in this interaction here

[RoyalBeeMage he/him]

Just now, Aeoryi said:

well, there's probably an elim in this interaction here

Possibly though who? I think it’s archer because of how random and unexpected it was 

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, RoyalBeeMage said:

First of all this seems extremely random and suspicious but I can’t put my finger on why.

secondly I would like to defend myself.  I am not an elim. 
 

you are basing your opinion on me based of several things. That my current play style is inactivity and I was the same during the lg. this is because the last we was set during my holidays therefore I had the time to not be inactive 

You need more than just a townclaim (or village claim) to clear your name there buddy

I could case you, although ISOing is significantly harder here and it would probably just lead to a tunnel. You say that we are assuming your current playstyle is inactivity. That is true. Because we have no other games to go off of, you can only expect someone to go look at the other game where you lurked in the shadows. I don't think it's elim behavior to base meta off of one game tbh. 

That being said, how do you think we should perceive you?

2 minutes ago, RoyalBeeMage said:

Possibly though who? I think it’s archer because of how random and unexpected it was 

Aeternum is basically villager 100% of the time and archer probably is too. Spark I can't really read but in particular:

16 minutes ago, Spark of Hope said:

Well I feel like I should vote someone, and no one else really seems suspicious to me right now.

I realize this probably looks bad on me but… *shrugs*

The red reads pure and is probably true and the blue is just a common new player thing. I don't think e!spark includes the orange part.

I don't like snapvoting (immediately voting) mainly because I think that voting is a more effective tool when used sparingly, and I can understand why some people like it, but your archer vote there seems opportunistic in a way, and I don't like it. 

[RoyalBeeMage he/him]

2 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

You need more than just a townclaim (or village claim) to clear your name there buddy

I could case you, although ISOing is significantly harder here and it would probably just lead to a tunnel. You say that we are assuming your current playstyle is inactivity. That is true. Because we have no other games to go off of, you can only expect someone to go look at the other game where you lurked in the shadows. I don't think it's elim behavior to base meta off of one game tbh. 

Base your read of whever I have given you a reason this game for you not to trust me 

[Aeoryi she/her]

2 minutes ago, RoyalBeeMage said:

Base your read of whever I have given you a reason this game for you not to trust me 

I'll base my read on what my standards are.

It's not about whether I would trust you or not; mainly because trust is a hard thing to earn. It's about what you do and how you think. That's where you can differentiate elims and villagers, and that's where you'll find most of your success.

[Aeternum]

5 minutes ago, RoyalBeeMage said:

Base your read of whever I have given you a reason this game for you not to trust me 

You really come off as elim. Please do something town-y if you're town.

[RoyalBeeMage he/him]

1 minute ago, Aeoryi said:

I'll base my read on what my standards are.

It's not about whether I would trust you or not; mainly because trust is a hard thing to earn. It's about what you do and how you think. That's where you can differentiate elims and villagers, and that's where you'll find most of your success.

Thanks for the advice I guess. I will think of a better defense during class

1 minute ago, Aeternum said:

You really come off as elim. Please do something town-y if you're town.

Nods. I need to go now but will be back in a few hours 

[Aeoryi she/her]

3 hours ago, Archer said:

Why NK kidpen over say Kas? I don't understand why you'd be in a situation where kidpen is your emergency option, unless as a group you had ruled out Kas and I already. Anyone remember what TUA's disposition towards killing Kas is usually? 

My best guess is HP hunting or two newbies who didn't know who kidpen is outvoted the third elim, who was ambivalent. I doubt they're all rookies. 

Maybe Kidpen being an active vote at EOD was threatening enough?? 

I agree with your assessment about the experience of the team but I struggle to see a team that doesn't have at least 2 new players in it.

Also the Kidpen thing is a smart option but there's a good chance the elims overlooked that in favor of other characteristics.