Quick Fix Game 71: 5D Shard Game With Multiverse Time Travel*

[Cash67]

1 hour ago, Aeoryi said:

oh boy oh yes lets wait for the kas tunnel on me and then I'll have to self vote and AtE and get locked town

If Kas wants to deliver a case on me, I will gladly rip it apart, because I guarantee you that it'll be wrong in some ways.

The best part is that I'll probably still get voted out anyways.

EDIT:

@Kasimir or @Archer I would prefer if you delivered the case (or at least, whatever you have) soon, since I will be unable to respond to it later, and it's better for people to think about things for longer.

 

1 hour ago, Aeoryi said:

probably an edit tbh

In all seriousness @Kasimir and @Archer and also @TheRavenHasLanded I'm fairly certain you already know that I have been playing forum mafia elsewhere and have played a lot of games between now and LG99. I'm sure you know I've improved, and I'm sure I'm not the player I once was. I don't self vote or use emotional appeal to try and convince people anymore, and I don't give off the same vibes or wavelengths that I did before. But that's unrelated to this game. That has nothing to do with this game, and I'm not trying to bring other games that have thousands of posts into this thread for this casual game.

In my past few games on the shard, I have been killed consistently on day 1- even in LG99, where I was right about 2/3 of the elim team. Even in QF70, although that was a bit of a different case. I don't think anyone wants to play a game only to get "policied" on day 1 or 2.

I have been playing much more passively this game than I would've liked, yes, but that is partially for my own enjoyment. 

I know your case will have positive reception from everyone- in fact, everything tends to be that way. However, I am hoping that what you will deliver will be actual game-related facts, and not references to past games, even to LG99. In LG99 you used a joke scumtell to make a read on me, and you were wrong and I was very frustrated. I hope you are not making that mistake again, but I can't trust that you won't.

EDIT:

wow okay that was a pretty fatal ninja lolll

disregard this post for the most part, please

Now you tell me ;-;

Posts disregarded o7

1 hour ago, Kasimir said:

EDIT 2: Will probably go back to nap a bit since the husky drama is settled. I am still looking at <RBM, TUA, Weaver>, predominantly TUA. TUA is largely for EoD lurking coupled with a disconnect from events (needed to be @) and the hypothesis the Kidpen kill was put in late. Theoretically the kill could be put earlier but I feel that since Aet, Spark, Wierdo, Cash, and a whole bunch of people were online subsequently, they should have noticed Kidpen train taking off.

Aeo made a post I'm too tired to find that stated the kill moved from Raven to Kidpen and I'm not sure why this has been accepted at face value because why should anyone know anything about where the kill was, only where it ended up?

I'm curious about the lack of advice from RBM's teammates, but that really is a team comp issue as well so I don't know how confident I feel here. The Aeo interaction raises a few question marks but fails to tick a few other key boxes.

I'll puzzle through the rest on a bit more sleep. 

Alright thoughts from me. 

Aeo making a “one of these is an elim list” seems good, towny. I’ll try to remember who’s on that list and if the list changes  

Raven saying that Aeo is suspicious… don’t know if that was part of the fabricated drama or real. Seems like drama, so I’m gonna disregard it for now. 

Ahh here’s the list

 

RBM and spark are giving the same vibes to me. Jerky, not very committed reactions to any votes or changes. Either gives off the vibes of newer than me village or inexperienced, coached elim. I don’t think e/e, but v/v also seems unlikely. I’ve heard RBM speak, hesitantly thinking neutral negative, but want to potentially hear more from spark. 
 

So for now I’m gonna go Wierdo Spark of Hope

@Spark of Hope

[Aeternum]

This is the last time I'll be around for the cycle - so first off. RoyalBeeMage. Time to take another look at Spark.

Wish I could ISO easily lol. 

Edit:

Tbh Spark reminds me of newbie t!Aet.

Edited May 7, 2024 by Aeternum

[Kasimir he/him]

15 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Tbh Spark reminds me of newbie t!Aet.

In what way?

20 minutes ago, Cash67 said:

I’ve heard RBM speak, hesitantly thinking neutral negative, but want to potentially hear more from spark. 

EDIT: It's three hours to rollover. What's that gonna do? You expect to both be online?

1 hour ago, The Unknown Ajah said:

not rhetorical btw, genuine want to know is you and/or others think that's within Drake's wheelhouse. 

Drake specifically objects to the idea you need a veteran on a team. It's why I haven't been overly letting it influence my kill analysis.

[Aeternum]

 This

This but I took it as defending RBM, earlier

There might be more, but alas.

[Cash67]

8 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

In what way?

EDIT: It's three hours to rollover. What's that gonna do? You expect to both be online?

Drake specifically objects to the idea you need a veteran on a team. It's why I haven't been overly letting it influence my kill analysis.

Planning on having this vote as pressure for them to explain in C3. I know it’s not gonna make the difference this time. If the votes change and I need to change to prevent a tie I will. 

4 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

 This

This but I took it as defending RBM, earlier

There might be more, but alas.

Yeah alas do be my thoughts too. 

[Aeternum]

2 minutes ago, Cash67 said:

Yeah alas do be my thoughts too. 

Cash can you find me the wolfies

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

6 minutes ago, Archer said:

Still doesn't explain why they'd switch to kidpen specifically instead of anyone else

It's absolutely a poke, but it'll turn into a real vote if you stay neutral and everyone else surpasses you in villagey behaviour 

I'm on the fence about this read. I feel like new players don't use the elim doc as much. 

You should make a PM and try one on one convos with someone. Or do yourself, someone and Raven, since you know Raven is village, making it ok if they listen in. 

Whoever is going to be exed today, please make a multi person pm before you go

In my experience (a team of three newbies and a team of two), they have about the same variance as normal players. I haven't encountered a super talkative new player, but my sample size is larger and I've only encountered one maybe two really talkative people. 

I do think that coaching is heavily overestimated, but the consensus seems to agree with me on that more and more.

16 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

In what way?

EDIT: It's three hours to rollover. What's that gonna do? You expect to both be online?

Drake specifically objects to the idea you need a veteran on a team. It's why I haven't been overly letting it influence my kill analysis.

Really? Interesting. I'll actually keep that in mind.

Tbh, I kinda agree with that sentiment. It betrays the norms in a way that will throw the village off enough to balance the cons.

This double post merging/editing is oddly intoxicating. 

[Aeternum]

C2 Analysis before Aet goes to sleep
Archer & RBM can be e/e imo.
This here
> Archer: "I also think my RBM suspicions are being misquoted by them"
makes me believe in that world.
However:
https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/196150-qf71-cycle-two-only-mostly-dead/?do=findComment&comment=1735822
https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/196150-qf71-cycle-two-only-mostly-dead/?do=findComment&comment=1735886
I suppose would be evidence against

> Kas: "In context, Weaver's vote isn't just retaliatory - it supports Archer and pushes Kidpen to the front of a bunch of votes. That's pretty daring for someone who also says:"
See, I said I would go back and check. This is me going back and checking
Weaver has townie points from me, but, I can see a world of Archer/Weaver as well, I just find Archer/RBM seemingly more possible.
> Weaver: "I will say, I see your points and understand them. However, my Kidpen vote was a mix of retaliation and a little bit of suspicion because I didn’t understand why he would vote me. As for me being a hedgy player, I didn’t encourage anyone else to vote Kidpen."
I like this from Weaver as well.

>Kas: "Likely at most two E in <Spark, Kidpen, Wierdo, Cash>"
Not quoting colors but we all know Kidpen is town now. Of Spark, Weirdo, and Cash:

Weirdo -
> Spark: "So the people left are Aeoryi, Aeternum, Archer, Cash, Kasimir, Bee, TUA, Weaver, Wierdo, and myself. At the moment no one jumps out at me, though I don't think it's Wierdo, Weaver, or Cash. Bee's hard to tell."
I did NOT catch this earlier but why not Weirdo, Weaver, or Cash? Esp. because they are on the sus list.

Spark also pushed me against RBM, which is ehhhhhhh, and I still kind of read it as defending RBM. Good thing for Spark is that RBM is slowly joining my town list

This and this feels genuine tho:
https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/196150-qf71-cycle-two-only-mostly-dead/?do=findComment&comment=1735817
https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/196150-qf71-cycle-two-only-mostly-dead/?do=findComment&comment=1735911

Cash - I like Cash's gameplay so far, ngl. Plus, the salmon cleared Cash already lol

>Kas: "However, the choice of target is not consistent with a raw new player. This leads me to consider a more aggregated profile, including Weaver, Cash, TUA, Aeo."

TUA remains an enigma to me, lol. I think it's because I see wall of text and my eyes glaze over and I just move on, rip my brain.

Aeo's plea
https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/196150-qf71-cycle-two-only-mostly-dead/?do=findComment&comment=1735980
makes me put her down as town leaning. I am ok with leaving this alone for now.

Also, I dislike this line:
> Archer: "Being present EOD is inherently suspicious."
I'm switching my vote to Archer, just based off of what I was reading. Flipping Archer imo gets me a better look at several others.

 

EDIT

I wrote this in my notes, hence the TERRIBLE formatting. Also, I'm mad the links aren't linking nicely.

I didn't finish reading through page 7 and 8, but since I was kind of there and it's more recent, I'm less concerned with it. I should've picked up on anything big from there already imo.

GOOD NIGHT NOW.
Don't you dare murder me while I'm asleep. I will cry, and you will owe me lots of salmon.

Edit edit:

I really dislike that I can't be around for EoD, and I'm going to have to trust you'll figure out the right vote if something new happens. Blaming Drake for this one (jk you're wonderful)

Edited May 7, 2024 by Aeternum

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

6 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

TUA remains an enigma to me, lol. I think it's because I see wall of text and my eyes glaze over and I just move on, rip my brain.

Hey, I do short snappy posts full of wit too.

Honestly, if it's a single paragraph long enough to be two, it probably doesn't matter that much.

[Cash67]

1 hour ago, Aeternum said:

Cash can you find me the wolfies

Not before EoD...

I'll lure them with raw salmon though

EDIT: THE TRAP WORKED WHO UPVOTED THE SALMON TRAP

EDIT 2: A SECOND HIT

Edited May 7, 2024 by Cash67

[Archer he/him]

oh noes I don't wanna die

TUA Weaver

That still has me in the lead but I gotta sleep now

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

31 minutes ago, Archer said:

oh noes I don't wanna die

TUA Weaver

That still has me in the lead but I gotta sleep now

https://youtu.be/OXQLDCAApPg?si=0192y41mltmMp5Ej

Edited May 7, 2024 by The Unknown Ajah
I too want to sleep, but I posted the stupid link. It's only fifteen minutes, I can afford to wake up fifteen minutes later, right?

[Cash67]

7 minutes ago, The Unknown Ajah said:

https://youtu.be/OXQLDCAApPg?si=0192y41mltmMp5Ej

SOMEONE ELSE LISTENS TO THE DREADNAUGHTS?!

[Kasimir he/him]

2 hours ago, Cash67 said:

Planning on having this vote as pressure for them to explain in C3. I know it’s not gonna make the difference this time. If the votes change and I need to change to prevent a tie I will. 

Does mean that Cash is acknowledging making a fairly useless vote. I can be ok with it depending on the context, but pokevoting on C2 in the middle of an ongoing train conflict is ??? 

1 hour ago, Aeternum said:

Aeo's plea
https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/196150-qf71-cycle-two-only-mostly-dead/?do=findComment&comment=1735980
makes me put her down as town leaning. I am ok with leaving this alone for now.

Aeo's history of consistent overreaction to votes and poisoning the well by emotionally appealing regardless of alignment means the most charitable thing I can do here is to ignore that entirely.

1 hour ago, Aeternum said:

I'm switching my vote to Archer, just based off of what I was reading. Flipping Archer imo gets me a better look at several others.

If Archer flips Village, are you going to re-evaluate the at least three to four purity reads you've ascribed at this juncture? Surprised Aeo "I have played a gazillion games" is explicitly ok with purity reads given the entirely opposite effect they have on Stick.

2 hours ago, The Unknown Ajah said:

Tbh, I kinda agree with that sentiment. It betrays the norms in a way that will throw the village off enough to balance the cons.

I don't compromise with betraying moral norms. Other norms, depends. Not worth setting community values on fire to win one (1) game. Also why I detest players who are willing to consciously poison the well and AtE to stay alive (see: my problems with the entire AtE discourse, especially Illwei's use of it.)

Gonna try to Tallybot before I make up my mind on how I feel and if I wanna move trains. My instinct is that there are too many purity reads flying around rn and I'm unsure if we're just not compensating well for the high new % in this game (therefore unconventional.)

EDITED TO ADD:

Ok good Cash is still here @Cash67 hey I would like you, even if not voting in 'em, to gimme your views real quick on the Archer train, RBM, or the sea of purity reads that have been put out so far. Up for it? You're on Spark so clearly you disagree with that one.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

2 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

don't compromise with betraying moral norms. Other norms, depends. Not worth setting community values on fire to win one (1) game. Also why I detest players who are willing to consciously poison the well and AtE to stay alive (see: my problems with the entire AtE discourse, especially Illwei's use of it.)

Not sure I was responding to what you think I was responding to. I don't really think having a veteran player on a newbie team is a moral norm. I also think having a newbie who's played multiple games or at least one game is enough even morally.

3 minutes ago, Cash67 said:

SOMEONE ELSE LISTENS TO THE DREADNAUGHTS?!

We do exist. I don't listen to them a lot (mostly only Sleep is for the Weak tbh), but that is roughly the genre I prefer (tis a weird rabbit hole, from country to Dropkick to punk and beyond).

Edit maybe: Honestly, as a GM who does care about having veterans with newbies, I don't think I'd consider RBM a newbie. Certainly not a veteran, but this is their third game, and they've been an elim before (and won). I kinda start taking away new player amnesty around the third game mark, so that's my personal thoughts there.

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, The Unknown Ajah said:

Not sure I was responding to what you think I was responding to. I don't really think having a veteran player on a newbie team is a moral norm. I also think having a newbie who's played multiple games or at least one game is enough even morally.

I thought you were referring to shooting returnees or new players, yeah. These I'd call more conventions than norms.

I don't super feel the Archer vote (the fit with a Kidpen-killing team doesn't make sense here), but I'm also blessed with a migraine from trying to get more sleep so I'm just gonna stare quietly at the thread.

I'll add there's only so much credit I'm willing to extend Cash on the basis of a bold-for-an-Elim proposal. Something about that performative vote feels like an Elim fiddling when Rome burns, and if the top two trains (Archer, Weaver) are theorised V/V, Cash is one of the places I'd look.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Wait, actually, @Kasimir, even if you get to it next cycle, what are purity reads and who's been using them? 

I suck at terminology.

2 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

if the top two trains (Archer, Weaver) are theorised V/V, Cash is one of the places I'd look.

Agreed here kinda. If Archer’s out I feel a bit more confident about RBM as well. I feel Weaver's probably good.

3 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

don't super feel the Archer vote (the fit with a Kidpen-killing team doesn't make sense here), but I'm also blessed with a migraine from trying to get more sleep so I'm just gonna stare quietly at the thread.

This is likely to be where my carefully constructed tunnel falls apart. What was Archer’s activity like?

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

pool's closed

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, The Unknown Ajah said:

Wait, actually, @Kasimir, even if you get to it next cycle, what are purity reads and who's been using them? 

I suck at terminology.

Nice assumption imma not die

I'm referring to the number of times Aet/Aeo have cited something someone in <Spark, Weaver, RBM> have done as evidence of no agenda, largely on the lines they're being upfront in thread/out of their depth in an open way. I don't disagree this could be the case but my mind is also shaped a lot by Szeth's QF and the way everyone cleared Insanity real quick. Reading new players is always especially a minefield.

Purity reads more or less boils down to "this is too pure, surely not Evil."

Ahhhh two minutes.

What else did I wanna say my brain's hanging. Stick and I have argued about the utility of purity reads, which is odd as I'm a tad more pro-purity reads than I come across, but the volume worries me and I'm fundamentally more about vote analysis at heart I suppose. I felt you were findable via vote analysis and indeed how I got there in the LG once I discarded everything else. Also where I play meta-less with Drake offsite.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Just now, Kasimir said:

Nice assumption imma not die

I'm referring to the number of times Aet/Aeo have cited something someone in <Spark, Weaver, RBM> have done as evidence of no agenda, largely on the lines they're being upfront in thread/out of their depth in an open way. I don't disagree this could be the case but my mind is also shaped a lot by Szeth's QF and the way everyone cleared Insanity real quick. Reading new players is always especially a minefield.

Purity reads more or less boils down to "this is too pure, surely not Evil."

Ahhhh two minutes.

What else did I wanna say my brain's hanging. Stick and I have argued about the utility of purity reads, which is odd as I'm a tad more pro-purity reads than I come across, but the volume worries me and I'm fundamentally more about vote analysis at heart I suppose. I felt you were findable via vote analysis and indeed how I got there in the LG once I discarded everything else. Also where I play meta-less with Drake offsite.

DISHONOR

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

1 minute ago, DrakeMarshall said:

DISHONOR

He was in the hot tub. Not the pool, obviously. 

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Merrythunder the Witty staggered into the entrance hall this morning, waving around a dueling foil and bellowing drunkenly at the priests responsible for the death of his friend. Nobody had the authority nor the heart to drag Merrythunder away, so they just had to politely endure it. This probably just made the Returned even angrier.

Across the courtyard, an unoccupied palace was quietly renovated throughout the day to serve its new owner. Soon the order of priests who took up residence there would start distributing the official teachings of Ravebringer the Undead. The people of T’Telir were feeling cautiously optimistic.

In the evening, Double the Drifter was struck in the head and killed instantly in a freak Tarachin accident. At least, every single witness unanimously agreed that it was an accident, and corroborated each other’s stories. The priests of the other Returned were beginning to grow concerned about the number of deaths. Rumors went about that they were planning to intervene.

At night, Aeoryi surfaced in the salmon pond, drowned. The salmon pond had always been one of Dawntrue’s favorite spots to linger. The shade of lush gardens, the calming sounds of running water and the wind harp set up nearby, and the collection of favorite art pieces tastefully positioned around all made the pond a good place to meditate. If you ignored the corpse. This was getting personal.

Sunset, then sunrise, a new day.

❁

Archer has died! He was a Priest!

Aeoryi has died! She was a Priest!

❁

 

Vote Tally
Archer (4): Aeternum, RoyalBeeMage, Spark of Hope, The Unknown Ajah
Weaver of Lies (3): Aeoryi, Archer, Kasimir
Spark of Hope (1): Cash67

The turn will end in a little shy of 24 hours.

❁

Participants

1. Aeoryi Priest
2. @Aeternum
3. Archer - Double the Dead Priest
4. @Cash67
5. @Kasimir - Ias, a Salmon Enthusiast
6. Kidpen - Tethan Priest
7. @RoyalBeeMage
8. Spark of Hope -> @Quivil
9. @The Unknown Ajah
10. @TheRavenHasLanded Ravebringer the Undead
11. @Weaver of Lies
12. @Wierdo

Edited May 7, 2024 by DrakeMarshall
pinch-hit

[Kasimir he/him]

I said what I said.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Interesting. 

Don't you just love when you build a shiny new tunnel out of conf bias, then it all comes crashing down?

I think I'm looking at Aet, Spark, Wierdo here? Maybe RBM. That's with credences. I could be pretty easily convinced on Cash. Man, I could honestly exe anyone here at this point.

[Kasimir he/him]

A lot of this comes down to Weaver and the vote movements IMO. I don't think it necessitates a Weaver flip but I need to go over it as the Archer train surge could be protective (need to check vote movements), which would indicate an Elim coming into contention, whether via Weaver or elsewhere. 

Wierdo and Weaver both did not vote, which is interesting on Weaver's part given the train volumes, and could be positive (but I'm not willing to push this as much cf. Bee.) I'll start with Cash for that Nero energy but would also consider TUA. Still fitting your kill MO so far imo.

With regard to the purity reads, the last thing I wanted to say was in theory it's fine to have a lot of them if you have a coherent PoE afterwards but if you're left with a pool of players not super consistent with the Kidpen kill, then you should have questions, and that's the energy I was getting off the mass purity reads.