Quick Fix Game 71: 5D Shard Game With Multiverse Time Travel*

[Cash67]

Just woke up! So here is a groggy post. 
 

Yeah I agree with the Kidpen shot being strange. So the question is, when do we think the shot was called, and who was Kidpen talking about at the time?

If it was in the beginning, Kidpen had poke voted me to get me to explain myself, then hopped onto Wierdo to get them to talk, then swapped to Weaver of Lies too. All of these are poke votes iirc, so not much reason to call the shot here due to voting, but still potentially a good enough reason for elims to call it early. 
 

Near the end of the day, he is talking about finalizing the vote on the trains at EoD, being me, Wierdo, raven, and himself. I agree with @Kasimir that the trains staying stable for a while indicates not may elims, but if one elim was hidden among the ties, then it makes sense that a shot would be called at EoD as the Kidpen train leaves in favor of raven. 

So im gonna take a look at Wierdo and their posts again.

[Wierdo he/him]

1 minute ago, Cash67 said:

Just woke up! So here is a groggy post. 
 

Yeah I agree with the Kidpen shot being strange. So the question is, when do we think the shot was called, and who was Kidpen talking about at the time?

If it was in the beginning, Kidpen had poke voted me to get me to explain myself, then hopped onto Wierdo to get them to talk, then swapped to Weaver of Lies too. All of these are poke votes iirc, so not much reason to call the shot here due to voting, but still potentially a good enough reason for elims to call it early. 
 

Near the end of the day, he is talking about finalizing the vote on the trains at EoD, being me, Wierdo, raven, and himself. I agree with @Kasimir that the trains staying stable for a while indicates not may elims, but if one elim was hidden among the ties, then it makes sense that a shot would be called at EoD as the Kidpen train leaves in favor of raven. 

So im gonna take a look at Wierdo and their posts again.

O h- i just wanted to be the returned lol

[Through the Living Hope]

2 minutes ago, Cash67 said:

Just woke up! So here is a groggy post. 
 

Yeah I agree with the Kidpen shot being strange. So the question is, when do we think the shot was called, and who was Kidpen talking about at the time?

If it was in the beginning, Kidpen had poke voted me to get me to explain myself, then hopped onto Wierdo to get them to talk, then swapped to Weaver of Lies too. All of these are poke votes iirc, so not much reason to call the shot here due to voting, but still potentially a good enough reason for elims to call it early. 
 

Near the end of the day, he is talking about finalizing the vote on the trains at EoD, being me, Wierdo, raven, and himself. I agree with @Kasimir that the trains staying stable for a while indicates not may elims, but if one elim was hidden among the ties, then it makes sense that a shot would be called at EoD as the Kidpen train leaves in favor of raven. 

So im gonna take a look at Wierdo and their posts again.

Kidpen voted you, then switched to Raven, also seemed suspicious of Bee

[Weaver of Shadows he/him]

18 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

I go back and forth. Agree with Aet that I do like Weaver pushing back against Aet when I re-read that post. At the same time, I feel Weaver initially had an opportunistic vote on Kidpen before moving off and onto Aet. I feel it's a strangely/fairly decisive vote for a player who is verbally hedgy/reluctant to ascribe reads:

Part of it is also just being at a loss. I could see joining Archer on TUA but I firmly believe we're at the start of the cycle (theoretically, as the NAs begin to wake up) and it would be extremely destructive for me to just vote TUA instead of opening more trains, voicing suspicions, and seeing what comes out of it.

I noted the Kidpen kill is a little weird and Weaver, Spark, Cash, TUA are potentially some of the players I could see going for such a kill. tldr; I'm voting for someone I feel eh about and who could've made the Kidpen kill.

I will say, I see your points and understand them. However, my Kidpen vote was a mix of retaliation and a little bit of suspicion because I didn’t understand why he would vote me. As for me being a hedgy player, I didn’t encourage anyone else to vote Kidpen.

[Through the Living Hope]

So the people left are Aeoryi, Aeternum, Archer, Cash, Kasimir, Bee, TUA, Weaver, Wierdo, and myself. At the moment no one jumps out at me, though I don't think it's Wierdo, Weaver, or Cash. Bee's hard to tell.

[Aeternum]

  

9 hours ago, Kasimir said:

If you see conflict aversion as being Evil, then why would you assume a vote on RBM is likely to be Evil?

This is why I need to proof read my notes

I think I meant that RBM could be LHF and have an elim-led wagon. I kind of contradicted myself lol, but I meant to say that I thought RBM's posting could fit town or wolf and so that part was for a t!RBM.

But yes, conflict adverse as an elim trait imo.

ANYWAY I have 3 pages to read and catch up on now. RIP Kidpen. Why the switch to Raven? I had Raven as a not day 1 problem because I figured lack of activity could mean either town or wolf at that point.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

8 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Mind elaborating?

I forgot what this quote was from, will edit in the answer.

Ah, I remember now. I think not pressuring someone because they're going to be gone is pretty poor reasoning (especially when he's suspecting me for uncontrollable timezone suspicions, inconsistent much, though I think that part is probably conf bias cause one is inherently much more valid than the other). And now he's given another inconsistent reasoning for it that isn't great either. I don't remember if Archer is a stab vote proponent, but if he is that's a very odd take. If he isn't, then it's just a little bit disappointing. 

4 hours ago, Archer said:

Kidpen :(. Y'all better have been HP hunting to justify that. 

I don't see Kas spending so much time analyzing them if they were to be the kill. I also think Aet and Aeoryi would be conscious of how much more likely they are to become Returned than anyone else because they were voting for them, making them unlikely to submit them as the NK. So tentative clears on all of them.

After that EOD, I suspect TUA the most. Being present EOD is inherently suspicious. That gave them the opportunity to see that Kidpen wasn't going to be exed (barely), allowing them to make that NK. I also think my RBM suspicions are being misquoted by them. Sure, I said they backed off easily when pressured, but that was an early-cycle vote. It wasn't a strong read, given the timing. If you found it suspicious, feel free to pursue it, but don't use my poke to add credibility to the line of attack. 

If you still have a PM available, making one with Raven would be a swell idea! 

This is triggering a lot of alarm bells right now. I'll address the most wth thing first but there's a couple others.

Being around at EoD is inherently suspicious? Come on now, even if that did make any sense at all, which it doesn't, I implied I could be on before the game started. You say that means that I could have killed Kid, but so could anyone who left early just as easily, plus Kidpen isn't really in my kill meta. 

Overall, I get the feeling this is coming from a worried e!Archer when I pegged him not going after his teammate.

Edited May 6, 2024 by The Unknown Ajah

[Kasimir he/him]

6 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Why the switch to Raven?

Best of worst options from my POV. On my re-read, felt RBM was who I wanted to push but pretty much all the NAs went to bed. Then Kidpen showed up around the point I'd begun to rethink and figure Kidpen was Village (around half an hour to EoD) so that gave us two votes - since I felt Cash looked Village enough I didn't wanna D1 him, the main option was Raven, Spark, or Wierdo. (If we made our own train, it would've gone to a dice roll, which meant endangerment of one of my V leans so not a train I was cool with.) Nothing about Spark's C1 especially pinged me, and while I didn't like Wierdo's vote, I also kind of felt undecided given later Wierdo response to you, so I went for Raven as the CW I could most live with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

By the time TUA re-showed up (he showed up at least twice but did not respond and needed a ping the last time) and it was clear we had the numbers for a new train, it was last two to five minutes of the cycle and Kidpen wasn't down for another pivot at last minute and if we didn't pivot together, it was pointless, so I called it a day and hoped for the best.

Edited to add:

56 minutes ago, Cash67 said:

but if one elim was hidden among the ties, then it makes sense that a shot would be called at EoD as the Kidpen train leaves in favor of raven. 

Dude, only I, TUA, and Kidpen were on at EoD, unless an Elim was browsing offline, and even then, they'd probably have to submit the kill via GM PM. I know this because I kept trying to hunt for numbers for a pivot so I was paying close attention to if there was anyone in the thread I could @ and ask them if they were willing to pivot. If you're theorising an EoD Elim, then it basically has to be in <TUA, me.>

Edited to add:

59 minutes ago, Spark of Hope said:

Kidpen voted you, then switched to Raven, also seemed suspicious of Bee

  Would almost argue Kidpen's suspicion of Bee seems unlikely - Kidpen was resistant to swapping to Bee, and in a world where V!Kidpen susses Bee, as compared to no real Raven read, he should've been pretty much 'lesgo' on Bee.

[Through the Living Hope]

12 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Would almost argue Kidpen's suspicion of Bee seems unlikely - Kidpen was resistant to swapping to Bee, and in a world where V!Kidpen susses Bee, as compared to no real Raven read, he should've been pretty much 'lesgo' on Bee.

It was a quick reread. I could easily have misunderstood though.

[Aeternum]

Kas obv. wolf, wdym

RoyalBeeMage 

I need to see something town-y to consider switching my vote. You have roughly 12 hours before I leave for the night.

I can explain later, but I am busy and not on my laptop for the next few hours.

I'll look through posts later as well. Ping if I need to look at something specific.

[Aeoryi she/her]

1-2 in Weirdo/LW/bee?

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

12 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Kas obv. wolf, wdym

RoyalBeeMage 

I need to see something town-y to consider switching my vote. You have roughly 12 hours before I leave for the night.

I can explain later, but I am busy and not on my laptop for the next few hours.

I'll look through posts later as well. Ping if I need to look at something specific.

Noting for the future that I'm still willing to join this vote, I just felt Archer was the bigger concern atm.

[Through the Living Hope]

40 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Kas obv. wolf, wdym

RoyalBeeMage 

I need to see something town-y to consider switching my vote. You have roughly 12 hours before I leave for the night.

I can explain later, but I am busy and not on my laptop for the next few hours.

I'll look through posts later as well. Ping if I need to look at something specific.

27 minutes ago, The Unknown Ajah said:

Noting for the future that I'm still willing to join this vote, I just felt Archer was the bigger concern atm.

Not saying it's not Bee, but we might want to wait until he can defend himself at least.

[Aeternum]

3 minutes ago, Spark of Hope said:

Not saying it's not Bee, but we might want to wait until he can defend himself at least.

Voting RBM puts pressure on him.

[Through the Living Hope]

Just now, Aeternum said:

Voting RBM puts pressure on him.

... True, I suppose. I hadn't thought about that.

[Aeoryi she/her]

The fact that the NK was Kidpen suggests that the kill was changed last minute from Raven to Kidpen

[Cash67]

19 minutes ago, Spark of Hope said:

... True, I suppose. I hadn't thought about that.

Poke voting (TM)!!!!

14 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

The fact that the NK was Kidpen suggests that the kill was changed last minute from Raven to Kidpen

The only person I remember Raven putting pressure on was me. Did they question/pressure anyone else?

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

10 hours ago, RoyalBeeMage said:

can i ask why me? also drake! i thought that the roll over was much later as I asumed that 24 hours would be in a few hours from now...

I'm sorry to hear that but smhhhhh it was in fact exactly 24 hours

[Aeternum]

3 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

1-2 in Weirdo/LW/bee?

LW?

edit to include this that was bothering me earlier

7 hours ago, RoyalBeeMage said:

ehh I have played 2 games so far. you are basing my current play of my first-ever game. 

So am I, so is Raven? Not sure what you're trying to say here, but imo your behavior so far is matching up with when we were evil together lol.

Edited May 6, 2024 by Aeternum

[Aeoryi she/her]

2 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

LW?

Lightweaver2/weaver of lies

[Aeternum]

Currently I do not like the looks of RBM or Spark. I think e!RBM matches up with this game's RBM, and so I'm tempted to continue to push there, for now. Archer is next on my list to scrutinize. While I'm here - thoughts on Spark, @Aeoryi?

Evil list: RBM, Archer, Spark, Weirdo. Vaguely in that order from most wolf-y to least. Btw, did we figure out how many evil ppl there are likely to be?

re: Spark. I don't like this:

6 hours ago, Spark of Hope said:

I don't think Bee is a good vote for now. He's offline due to time zone stuff while most of us are online, so I think that should be taken into consideration.

And then this:

4 hours ago, Spark of Hope said:

So the people left are Aeoryi, Aeternum, Archer, Cash, Kasimir, Bee, TUA, Weaver, Wierdo, and myself. At the moment no one jumps out at me, though I don't think it's Wierdo, Weaver, or Cash. Bee's hard to tell.

Are you defending RBM? Because that is what I am seeing. 

But I will take it (the first quote) into consideration.

5 hours ago, Wierdo said:

Hmmmmm, i'mma listen to the o' so wise returned. Archer 
Or should I? hmmmmmmm

Even if Archer is evil, I can still see a possibility of e!Weirdo as well. Esp. since it was followed by an unvote, but that was Raven-facilitated I suppose, and Raven is my #2 (slightly dead) townie.

5 hours ago, Spark of Hope said:

Kidpen voted you (Spark is referring to Cash), then switched to Raven, also seemed suspicious of Bee

Ain't helping the RBM case tbh.

Also - Weaver still has townie points from earlier, but I may be starting see the Kas side of e!Weaver possibility.

Also also, I haven't used my PM yet - should I PM Raven? I'll bring an apology salmon on town's behalf if so.

[Aeoryi she/her]

Spark exists

Spoiler

Like a lot of players

 

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

Just now, Aeternum said:

Currently I do not like the looks of RBM or Spark. I think e!RBM matches up with this game's RBM, and so I'm tempted to continue to push there, for now. Archer is next on my list to scrutinize. While I'm here - thoughts on Spark, @Aeoryi?

Evil list: RBM, Archer, Spark, Weirdo. Vaguely in that order from most wolf-y to least. Btw, did we figure out how many evil ppl there are likely to be?

re: Spark. I don't like this:

And then this:

Are you defending RBM? Because that is what I am seeing. 

But I will take it (the first quote) into consideration.

Even if Archer is evil, I can still see a possibility of e!Weirdo as well. Esp. since it was followed by an unvote, but that was Raven-facilitated I suppose, and Raven is my #2 (slightly dead) townie.

Ain't helping the RBM case tbh.

Also - Weaver still has townie points from earlier, but I may be starting see the Kas side of e!Weaver possibility.

Also also, I haven't used my PM yet - should I PM Raven? I'll bring an apology salmon on town's behalf if so.

if youre High Priest, or even if you're not, I suppose you can. 

do I get to vote? bc since Aet is bringing the behaviour up on RBM, I kinda wanna try that, and see what happens after rollover. RBM

[Aeternum]

Just now, TheRavenHasLanded said:

if youre High Priest, or even if you're not, I suppose you can. 

do I get to vote? bc since Aet is bringing the behaviour up on RBM, I kinda wanna try that, and see what happens after rollover. RBM

I thought you can't vote, but can haunt the thread lol

I'm secretly the High Priest, not even I know that I am (jk)

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

1 minute ago, Aeternum said:

I thought you can't vote, but can haunt the thread lol

I'm secretly the High Priest, not even I know that I am (jk)

i am unable to vote.