Quick Fix Game 71: 5D Shard Game With Multiverse Time Travel*

[Wierdo he/him]

1 minute ago, Kasimir said:

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More seriously, I'm just contemplating choices.

@Wierdo Where's your top suspicions rn? If you are Village, you have to know that your vote is crucial, especially going into next cycle if we screw up this one. Lack of consensus next cycle if we botch this cycle means the Elims can hammer to win.

Well, tbh i can't really think of any, but I'm looking for possibilities, do you have any suspicions?

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

1 minute ago, Wierdo said:

Well, tbh i can't really think of any, but I'm looking for possibilities, do you have any suspicions?

RBM is elim, im sure of it.

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, Wierdo said:

Well, tbh i can't really think of any, but I'm looking for possibilities, do you have any suspicions?

Atm thread mood looks like Cash v. Bee. I'm also trying to get a sense of what I think about you. You were pretty chill about being put up for death C1 and you've been sheeping pretty unapologetically for both C1 and C2. Low reactions C1 could mean you're Village, but hard to make the call. Direct thought here is to get your views, indirect thought here is to solidify a thought on you.

[Aeternum]

1 minute ago, TheRavenHasLanded said:

RBM is elim, im sure of it.

Yes, o wise one. We shall eliminate them at once, in your name.

In all seriousness, the asking who is HP is not a good look for him. There is no real reason for town to need to know who HP is - only what their role thingy says. Which, I assume, would be told to Raven, who could then tell others without revealing who the HP is.

(I will be around for the next half hour or so)

[Wierdo he/him]

Just now, Kasimir said:

Atm thread mood looks like Cash v. Bee. I'm also trying to get a sense of what I think about you. You were pretty chill about being put up for death C1 and you've been sheeping pretty unapologetically for both C1 and C2. Low reactions C1 could mean you're Village, but hard to make the call. Direct thought here is to get your views, indirect thought here is to solidify a thought on you.

Ahh- what is village? i'm honestly confused- this is my first game and I've already been confused so- I'm honestly looking for direction.

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

i need to go to sleep, see ya after rollover!!!

[Wierdo he/him]

Just now, TheRavenHasLanded said:

i need to go to sleep, see ya after rollover!!!

Goodnight o' wise one. SLEEP WELLLL!!!!!1

[Aeternum]

2 minutes ago, TheRavenHasLanded said:

i need to go to sleep, see ya after rollover!!!

Good night o wise one. We shall find the murderers while you rest.

3 minutes ago, Wierdo said:

Ahh- what is village? i'm honestly confused- this is my first game and I've already been confused so- I'm honestly looking for direction.

Village/town/Priest - the people trying to find the bad guys and vote them out

Wolf/Elim/Heretic - the people trying to murder us

[Wierdo he/him]

Just now, Aeternum said:

Good night o wise one. We shall find the murderers while you rest.

Village/town/Priest - the people trying to find the bad guys and vote them out

Wolf/Elim/Heretic - the people trying to murder us

Thanks! i was a bit confused about it lol

[Kasimir he/him]

3 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

In all seriousness, the asking who is HP is not a good look for him. There is no real reason for town to need to know who HP is - only what their role thingy says. Which, I assume, would be told to Raven, who could then tell others without revealing who the HP is.

He wasn't asking who was HP according to Raven - he was asking for HP scan info. I'd still like to hear his mentality because I've got Bee in the category/profile of players I struggle to read because new/erratic a little, but I feel the phishing is semi-remarkable in a landscape where pretty much no one PMed Raven.

4 minutes ago, Wierdo said:

Ahh- what is village? i'm honestly confused- this is my first game and I've already been confused so- I'm honestly looking for direction.

Trying to decide if you are Priest or Heretic!  Red team or green team.

In terms of direction, I guess I'd ask about whether you feel about the current situation. Does anyone seem heretical/suspicious, etc. We've had two rounds of going after people who turned out green after all. If you are green team, appreciate you are busy but do try to vote/stay engaged if you can! If we screw up this cycle, we lose if we vote wrong next cycle or if not all of us vote, so it's worth being on the ball.

Maybe flip the other way - who do you trust rn?

[Aeternum]

1 minute ago, Kasimir said:

He wasn't asking who was HP according to Raven - he was asking for HP scan info. I'd still like to hear his mentality because I've got Bee in the category/profile of players I struggle to read because new/erratic a little, but I feel the phishing is semi-remarkable in a landscape where pretty much no one PMed Raven.

Ah ok, I misread then. That's a bit better than asking who the HP is lol

[Wierdo he/him]

7 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

He wasn't asking who was HP according to Raven - he was asking for HP scan info. I'd still like to hear his mentality because I've got Bee in the category/profile of players I struggle to read because new/erratic a little, but I feel the phishing is semi-remarkable in a landscape where pretty much no one PMed Raven.

Trying to decide if you are Priest or Heretic!  Red team or green team.

In terms of direction, I guess I'd ask about whether you feel about the current situation. Does anyone seem heretical/suspicious, etc. We've had two rounds of going after people who turned out green after all. If you are green team, appreciate you are busy but do try to vote/stay engaged if you can! If we screw up this cycle, we lose if we vote wrong next cycle or if not all of us vote, so it's worth being on the ball.

Maybe flip the other way - who do you trust rn?

I trust you, the lord returned, uh- that's kinda it rn, it's kinda neutral for the others, though.

[Kasimir he/him]

5 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Ah ok, I misread then. That's a bit better than asking who the HP is lol

Yeah. I find it an outlier because as TUA's admission reveals, very few players actually contacted Raven. In fact, there was no HP claimant, therefore no scan results. At this juncture, this leads me to believe there is no HP or an E!HP (the first is technically possible, the latter-

Ah. Crem. I'm an idiot.

Line of reasoning - I feel it is less likely that we are seeing a no HP game because it's usually a bit much for a GM to scam players into a game that is all regulars on steroids. It's technically possible, however. The lack of a claim to Raven suggests to me a new/low confidence E!HP who doesn't dare to do the claim/misleading.

(In the world there is a V!HP, they're clearly not scanning, which is in itself a remarkable decision, alongside the decision to not claim to the confirmed Villager and if we screw up this cycle, we're at lylo next cycle, so I think the utility of dodging the issue has come to an end.)

Here's the thing though. If E!HP, E!Bee knows there is no HP, so why is Bee asking Raven about the HP's scans? Do we postulate the Elims are concerned about a double HP world?

Gonna re-read the group PM one more time to confirm I'm not misrepresenting Raven's phrasing.

[Cash67]

3 hours ago, Kasimir said:

@Cash67 Hey a question occurred to me. If you were V leaning Archer even mildly, why didn't you voice any reservations to the Archer train?

EDIT: @The Unknown Ajah Aet views? Also can you please explain the reasoning behind your team guesses you listed with Cash

@Aeternum What is your current E team guess

@RoyalBeeMage Same as the others

Anyone else feel free to do without needing an @ from me

Today’s been a long day.

I was hoping that Archers flip would give us enough info to see who was casting suspicion onto him/who was in his train. I wasn’t leaning enough towards town to defend him, because we gained info either way. 

[Kasimir he/him]

Edited to add:

6 minutes ago, Wierdo said:

I trust you, the lord returned, uh- that's kinda it rn, it's kinda neutral for the others, though.

Raven is obvious, could I ask you to spell out why me a little?

@Aeternum

Wrt the Bee-Raven exchange, AFAICT:

About 4.5 hours to EoD C2, Raven mentions getting a PM from Bee. Raven comments about insinuating he had a message from the HP and being suspicious because the last time Bee PMed him, Bee was Evil (note that it was just kind of impossible for V!Bee to PM Raven in QF70.) 

Raven later notes he is confused about Bee saying pretty much everyone else wants to PM Raven.

At that time, Archer's reaction is that he's interested in why Bee is PMing so late in the cycle, especially with Bee facing early pressure. My response is that since Raven can't c/p, Raven has to make the judgement call for himself about phishiness because it's kind of hard to when working (in the PM) off Raven's reporting and we can't see the original exchange.

I ask Raven this cycle if he had received any claims/scans, given the paucity of PMs last cycle. Raven confirms the situation hasn't changed and his PMs are with me, Aet, and Bee. I ask Raven if he thinks it's plausible that Village players are the ones who hung back more wrt willingness to spend their one PM on Raven. Raven's reaction is that he's not sure but he feels Bee has been pressing him pretty directly on what the HP has been sharing with him.

My thoughts on this issue:

-I'm approaching this more from an outlier perspective: by and large, most Village players seem to have been conservative with PMs. I say this because exactly three players PMed Raven, and in fact, I myself didn't initiate the Raven PM I'm in. So I'm curious about whether:

A. The Elims delegated one member to PM Raven
B. PMing Raven should be V!indicative or not.

I'm not sure there's a definite valence to scan curiosity in light of Raven dropping HP hints, but honestly to some extent this is a "do I trust Raven's judgement that it seemed phishy" or not sort of deal. But it's worth dropping now to discuss, and I arguably held this back a bit too long I guess.

Edited to add 2:

3 minutes ago, Cash67 said:

because we gained info either way. 

What is the info you believe we have gained, and how does it inform your position this cycle?

To be clear, this is directly a "if you are V I don't wanna ML you" ask at this point.

[Wierdo he/him]

5 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Edited to add:

Raven is obvious, could I ask you to spell out why me a little?

 

Because of the clear reasoning i can follow when I'm skimming at school, that's very nice. And, you seem safe.

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, Wierdo said:

Because of the clear reasoning i can follow when I'm skimming at school, that's very nice. And, you seem safe.

Hmm.

You say the rest seem neutral. Are you able to spell out what you mean here? Like why are they neutral? Is it because they are doing some a mix of things? 'Cause you seem to be alright with forming a read on me, so what are these guys not doing for you?

[Aeternum]

2 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Edited to add:

Raven is obvious, could I ask you to spell out why me a little?

@Aeternum

Wrt the Bee-Raven exchange, AFAICT:

About 4.5 hours to EoD C2, Raven mentions getting a PM from Bee. Raven comments about insinuating he had a message from the HP and being suspicious because the last time Bee PMed him, Bee was Evil (note that it was just kind of impossible for V!Bee to PM Raven in QF70.) 

Raven later notes he is confused about Bee saying pretty much everyone else wants to PM Raven.

At that time, Archer's reaction is that he's interested in why Bee is PMing so late in the cycle, especially with Bee facing early pressure. My response is that since Raven can't c/p, Raven has to make the judgement call for himself about phishiness because it's kind of hard to when working (in the PM) off Raven's reporting and we can't see the original exchange.

I ask Raven this cycle if he had received any claims/scans, given the paucity of PMs last cycle. Raven confirms the situation hasn't changed and his PMs are with me, Aet, and Bee. I ask Raven if he thinks it's plausible that Village players are the ones who hung back more wrt willingness to spend their one PM on Raven. Raven's reaction is that he's not sure but he feels Bee has been pressing him pretty directly on what the HP has been sharing with him.

My thoughts on this issue:

-I'm approaching this more from an outlier perspective: by and large, most Village players seem to have been conservative with PMs. I say this because exactly three players PMed Raven, and in fact, I myself didn't initiate the Raven PM I'm in. So I'm curious about whether:

A. The Elims delegated one member to PM Raven
B. PMing Raven should be V!indicative or not.

I'm not sure there's a definite valence to scan curiosity in light of Raven dropping HP hints, but honestly to some extent this is a "do I trust Raven's judgement that it seemed phishy" or not sort of deal. But it's worth dropping now to discuss, and I arguably held this back a bit too long I guess.

Remember when I said I have trouble with the big paragraphs? I'm having trouble aaaaaaaahhh. Kas why do you use such big words. I'm not that smart LOL

I'm surprised to hear that Raven doesn't have many PMs, tbh. I thought I was one of the last ones. I feel that townies should be PMing their one true known townie friend. I can also see elims trying to take advantage of perhaps getting townie points and information from Raven at the same time?

As for A. - that could make sense. Perhaps elims want to spread out their PMs and contact as many players as possible? I think it could depend on the elim team - if they think contacting Raven is more town and has no drawbacks (Do you think if multiple elims were PMing Raven if they'd be worried about slipping or TMI?) then I can see multiple PMing for possible townie points. I would expect there to be one elim PMing Raven at least.

B. No. At first I was like, yeah ofc, but it's just too easy for an elim to try to get free townie points for PMing. I guess it could seem very "wants it more" or whatever on earth the phrase is?

1 minute ago, Wierdo said:

Because of the clear reasoning i can follow when I'm skimming at school, that's very nice. And, you seem safe.

Kas is terrifying to play against :') but is always a huge asset to town  my #2 townie rn.

[Wierdo he/him]

5 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Hmm.

You say the rest seem neutral. Are you able to spell out what you mean here? Like why are they neutral? Is it because they are doing some a mix of things? 'Cause you seem to be alright with forming a read on me, so what are these guys not doing for you?

Well- honestly, i can't provide any reasoning lol

Gut feeling ig

[Aeternum]

1 minute ago, Wierdo said:

Well- honestly, i can't provide any reasoning lol

If you were forced to make a quick decision on someone (if you want someone specific, let's say me. bc I'm here and I have recent posts, and you've already talked about Kas), what would you say? Town or elim?

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Vote Tally
Cash67 (2): Kasimir, The Unknown Ajah
RoyalBeeMage (1): Aeternum

Here's the tally as far as I know.

[Wierdo he/him]

2 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

If you were forced to make a quick decision on someone (if you want someone specific, let's say me. bc I'm here and I have recent posts, and you've already talked about Kas), what would you say? Town or elim?

You seem safe, but i don't know if my gut is right- so- maybe town? maybe elim? but last second- hm. i guess elim because you might be luring me into a false sense of security.

[Cash67]

21 hours ago, The Unknown Ajah said:

Interesting. 

Don't you just love when you build a shiny new tunnel out of conf bias, then it all comes crashing down?

I think I'm looking at Aet, Spark, Wierdo here? Maybe RBM. That's with credences. I could be pretty easily convinced on Cash. Man, I could honestly exe anyone here at this point.

 

3 hours ago, Wierdo said:

Well, I can't shake the cash thing, since he just voted me out of the blue at the beginning, I think it may have started a grudge for me lol, but he has been seeming a bit suspicious from what i've read.
Honestly, this is it so far *shrug*

Frankly, fair. The grudge thing has hit me too. You’re V leaning well for me. 

7 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Edited to add:

Raven is obvious, could I ask you to spell out why me a little?

@Aeternum

Wrt the Bee-Raven exchange, AFAICT:

About 4.5 hours to EoD C2, Raven mentions getting a PM from Bee. Raven comments about insinuating he had a message from the HP and being suspicious because the last time Bee PMed him, Bee was Evil (note that it was just kind of impossible for V!Bee to PM Raven in QF70.) 

Raven later notes he is confused about Bee saying pretty much everyone else wants to PM Raven.

At that time, Archer's reaction is that he's interested in why Bee is PMing so late in the cycle, especially with Bee facing early pressure. My response is that since Raven can't c/p, Raven has to make the judgement call for himself about phishiness because it's kind of hard to when working (in the PM) off Raven's reporting and we can't see the original exchange.

I ask Raven this cycle if he had received any claims/scans, given the paucity of PMs last cycle. Raven confirms the situation hasn't changed and his PMs are with me, Aet, and Bee. I ask Raven if he thinks it's plausible that Village players are the ones who hung back more wrt willingness to spend their one PM on Raven. Raven's reaction is that he's not sure but he feels Bee has been pressing him pretty directly on what the HP has been sharing with him.

My thoughts on this issue:

-I'm approaching this more from an outlier perspective: by and large, most Village players seem to have been conservative with PMs. I say this because exactly three players PMed Raven, and in fact, I myself didn't initiate the Raven PM I'm in. So I'm curious about whether:

A. The Elims delegated one member to PM Raven
B. PMing Raven should be V!indicative or not.

I'm not sure there's a definite valence to scan curiosity in light of Raven dropping HP hints, but honestly to some extent this is a "do I trust Raven's judgement that it seemed phishy" or not sort of deal. But it's worth dropping now to discuss, and I arguably held this back a bit too long I guess.

Edited to add 2:

What is the info you believe we have gained, and how does it inform your position this cycle?

To be clear, this is directly a "if you are V I don't wanna ML you" ask at this point.

Well first last cycle we gotta look at who started harping on Archer. Pulling up quotes:

TUA hopped on archer pretty early on in C2 for not catching/responding to a post and archer responded by citing TUA’s presence as reason to believe that he may have timed a quick kill switch. 

After a bit, TUA doubled down on Archer, saying pressuring based on timezones is a strange reason. I happen to slightly agree. Put the pressure on, just make sure to read the result and that your final reasoning ain’t time zones. However, the way this was defended seems a bit… quick. Basically I see it as making Archer’s claims seem forced. 
 

Tbis also has a vote on archer that I believe doesn’t move for the rest of the cycle? Double checking that. 
 

Archer brings up points that state regardless of time zone, when people are in is important to pay attention to. His post seems more thought out and towny because he is focused on seeing the reactions of other people, not just applying pressure and then waiting. 
 

The day goes on, and Aet gets voted on by Archer, and true  his earlier post, he observes Spark’s reaction with Aets nonchalance and unvotes accordingly. 

 

After this the thread is mainly about scaring Aeo, not getting sleep, and I get namedropped (yay!) as a potential elim (aw…) by Kas and TUA (huh.)

 

All of this makes me distrust TUA more than any other player here. I can see a quiet elim play style. My vote is gonna go on them, and I’ll go and see who they were supporting. 

[Aeternum]

5 minutes ago, Wierdo said:

You seem safe, but i don't know if my gut is right- so- maybe town? maybe elim? but last second- hm. i guess elim because you might be luring me into a false sense of security.

Completely fair, and I'd probably agree if I were to gth read myself objectively. Is the term powerwolfing correct for smth like this? (I'm not powerwolfing I promise lol). not me being sus on myself once again

Now the mean thing I'd ask is the difference between me and Kas, which there is a LOT of (Kas is way more of a TR than I probably am lol).

But you get a smiley face:  

4 minutes ago, Cash67 said:

All of this makes me distrust TUA more than any other player here. I can see a quiet elim play style. My vote is gonna go on them, and I’ll go and see who they were supporting.

Got anything to say about my vote on Archer, out of curiosity? Since you're talking about ppl who were on Archer

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

4 hours ago, Kasimir said:

@Cash67 Hey a question occurred to me. If you were V leaning Archer even mildly, why didn't you voice any reservations to the Archer train?

EDIT: @The Unknown Ajah Aet views? Also can you please explain the reasoning behind your team guesses you listed with Cash

@Aeternum What is your current E team guess

@RoyalBeeMage Same as the others

Anyone else feel free to do without needing an @ from me

I mostly process of eliminationed them, and used some vote analysis. Kinda just what felt right with some hard to explain logic backing it up.

3 hours ago, Aeternum said:

RBM/Weirdo/Weaver maybe? But that suggests a very newbie team. RBM/Cash/Weaver as secondary. Could throw TUA in there and I wouldn't disagree, but that is based off of your reads of TUA because some of us are bad at reading TUA. I trust your TUA reads because you've got far more experience there.

I can't say anything about Quivil yet, which is unfortunate but a /shrug.

At least 1 wolf in RBM/Weirdo/Cash/Weaver. Don't remember if there was anything about a RBM/Weaver pairing, but I'm tempted to put them on the elim team together in my head.

Weaver looks like e!me with the lurking, I've seen them around several times now. I'm not a big fan of RBM's posting so far. Weirdo hasn't been around much (understandably busy with classes) - I did see Weirdo online a few times tho, but I'll write it off. Since he's here, @RoyalBeeMage I need more thoughts from you. Don't want to ML today, but Weaver/RBM is my priority probably. Aet stop screwing up your votes lol

I mean, if anyone can read me, it's probably Kas, but he's not exactly consistently right. Just more right than most people.

2 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Edited to add:

Some additional thoughts for everyone to chew on.

-I'm actually personally concerned I'm One Thinging Cash. This is the one thing (lol) that gives me pause, particularly in light of significant Cash ML history in his SE play.

-I feel E!TUA has a history of opportunism and I'm concerned TUA is being opportunistic here. That being said, there's one thing E!him did that sets off personal alarm bells that hasn't emerged this time (yet.)

-I just generally have Aet concerns.

-I think it is worth putting this on the table, and that's that Bee and Aet had weird PMs with Raven, with Bee seeming to phish Raven for HP info (!) I think this is worth noting in a landscape where PMing/contacting Raven was the exception among players and not the rule, and it makes me question whether Elims: A. chose to only have one member contact Raven (thinking of the Aet/Bee not E/E deal) and B. whether therefore engagement with Raven is noteworthy seeing as it is generally not done and majority of players should have been Village.

Edited to add:

Crossed slightly back to V!Bee, but not in a definitive way. Bee's still overall in null territory for me.

Minimally I was going to cite Bee's exchange with Neil and Stick in QF70b as being more solving indicative but honestly when I re-read those posts, I found Bee was just as prone to giving random reasons for votes, going on to issue gut reads under pressure. The random reasons bit doesn't seem too different from the Archer vote reason Bee offered. There's the bandwagoning element in the LG but QF!Bee at one point sheeped my vote and at another point, voted Neil (IIRC, could've been another player) just so Stick would stop yelling at everyone to vote Neil.

Is it really opportunitism when you mention distrust of two people, who then both become trains way later? I'll give you Cash, though. I see how that could come across.

2 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Hmm. Actually. The three cycle rule suggests that if you don't see anything overtly V from TUA by C3, set him on fire.

I'll do that re-read after doing the Cash re-read.

I'd note that it was more if I was doing things by c3. E!me has a hard time making up suspicions. 

But at the same time, if you can't see anything I've done so far as villagey by next cycle go ahead. Well, not if it's lylo, is it's lylo, exe someone who's actually an elim.

There are so many ninjas on this post. Oh well.