MR67: Aftermath: A Successful Lurch

[Kasimir he/him]

Thanks for running and dealing with my ongoing cries about being a failure to the legacy of Gamma, @Mat  

And thanks for putting out all those fires @Elandera!

In retrospect, I actually didn't expect that many outliers tbh:

Spoiler

Something Screwy: Neil
Ignore: Aman, Ash, Wiz, Raven, TKN, Cash
Not Again: Kas
Indifference: JNV
V Lean: Neil, Devo
Noisy: Aeo
Scepticism: Aeo, Ravenclaw
Vote: Araris, Ravenclaw
Did Not See: Coffeecat (Silber), Alpha, Cash

 

Edited December 22, 2023 by Kasimir

[neil the beguiled]

3 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Thanks for running and dealing with my ongoing cries about being a failure to the legacy of Gamma, @Mat  

And thanks for putting out all those fires @Elandera!

In retrospect, I actually didn't expect that many outliers tbh:

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Something Screwy: Neil
Ignore: Aman, Ash, Wiz, Raven, TKN, Cash
Not Again: Kas
Indifference: JNV
V Lean: Neil, Devo
Noisy: Aeo
Scepticism: Aeo, Ravenclaw
Vote: Araris, Ravenclaw
Did Not See: Coffeecat (Silber), Alpha, Cash

 

outlier is my middle name :[ 

i hope we can play again as t/t soon kas  ^w^

[Kasimir he/him]

15 minutes ago, neil the beguiled said:

i hope we can play again as t/t soon kas  ^w^

Hope so too, Neil  T/T is much better and I feel you on this. I have a fit everytime I see red in my GM PM.

[neil the beguiled]

3 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Hope so too, Neil  T/T is much better and I feel you on this. I have a fit everytime I see red in my GM PM.

i wasnt lying when i said i get physically ill when i get a red pm normally. its so embarressing. xD

[Kasimir he/him]

9 minutes ago, neil the beguiled said:

i wasnt lying when i said i get physically ill when i get a red pm normally. its so embarressing. xD

Same tbh. Some of my Elim games have had me having breakdowns midgame which is why the offsite stuff helps. No pressure, just go hogwild, die with honour killing town doctor...wcgw

More general comment I wanted to make with regard to the dead doc stuff - as Drake noted in our BT, actually, Tallybot is meant for helping the community, and Xino I think ran his own iteration with vote= flags. What I'm saying is that it's probably possible to provide the script as support/doublecheck for GMs, it just needs some testing and set-up for each game as my regex is not always the best. 

It's a bit more annoying to wrangle in Ookla season, but out of it, it's less of a problem because Drake and I already have the pre-existing player dictionary, so that usually doesn't require too many tweaks.

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

It really was fun. thank you all!

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

4 hours ago, Mat said:

MR67: Aftermath: A Successful Lurch

Once Kasim returned, the remaining SErs gathered together, circling up like they had at the beginning of this convention. Before this madness had begun. Though Mat supposed that it had begun the moment he'd helped suggest and set up this SE meetup.

In a lot of ways, he blamed himself for what had happened to everyone. But he knew that was the wrong way of looking at things. He never could have known, never could have done anything more to stop it. 

He joined the circle, though everyone knew he was innocent. That last death note had most definitely come from one of the four standing around him. He looked them over, one by one. Kasim was certainly good; he had given so much to rid the convention of the killers. And the grief on his face was as genuine as Mat had ever seen. Not to mention him being the literal Brandon Sanderson.

TKN refused to meet his-- or anyone's-- eyes, but Mat didn't think that meant anything. He was as unreadable in real life as he was on the forums. Illwei, on the other hand, studied everyone else one by one, analyzing for an unknowable purpose. She had arrived late to the convention, but not late enough to prove innocence. And then there was neil, who Mat knew nothing about.

Did anyone know anything about neil?

Mat felt the tension in the room shift, focusing on the newcomer. He wasn't the only one who had come to that realization. They'd accepted neil's words when he had said that he was a friend of Stick's, and he clearly knew Illwei from previous encounters. But he'd seemed genuinely terrified when he'd seen her walk in the room. 

In a flash, neil's arm snapped forward, suddenly clutching a knife he must had produced from within his trench coat. But the knife's progress was stopped as Kasim grabbed neil's hand and slapped it away in a perfectly executed disarming. "No," he growled. "No one else dies. Not at my convention."

neil gulped. But said nothing.

"That's what I thought," Kasim said. "You're coming with me."

---

Once neil had been detained, Kasim stood by Mat, TKN, and Illwei on the streets of Salt Lake City, staring at the convention center that had housed nightmares for the past weekend. At a huge cost, it was now over.

"I want to thank you," Kasim said, "for defending the con these past days."

"You did a lot, too," Illwei pointed out. "I honestly still wasn't sure of neil at the end there."

Kasim shook his head. "It was a team effort. Because of you, my work can continue. Those murderers had it out for me. I couldn't have borne the knowledge that my stories would go untold, but now I don't have to."

It was only then that Mat fully registered that Brandon Sanderson was standing next to him. His favorite author, the reason he was here at all, the reason he knew any of these SErs, right there. He almost asked for an autograph. But it didn't feel right.

"Will there be a Dragonsteel 2025?" Mat asked instead. He couldn't imagine the lawsuits the Dragonsteel company would be facing.

But Kasim-- Brandon-- only smiled, and shrugged. "If we can manage it. I still have stories to tell, after all, and there are those who want to hear them. But if not, the books will still be there." He paused, scratching his chin. "But there is one thing."

"What's that?" TKN asked.

"We're going to need much better security."

*     *     *

neil the beguiled was removed from the convention! He was a Crazed SEr!

Kasimir was attacked, but survived!

Vote Count:

• Illwei/Ooklil (1): neil the beguiled
• neil the beguiled (2): Kasimir, The Known Novel/Bald
• The Known Novel/Bald (1): Illwei/Ooklil

The game is over! Congratulations to the Reasonable SErs for defending Dragonsteel 2024 and ridding the Salt Palace of its various insane people! Though there is some writing scrawled in the parking garage that needs to be pressure-washed off...

The Convention Game has a two-way tie for its winners! @Archer, with two points, who completed his task before his opponent as well as guessed their identity, and @JNV, with two points, who successfully guessed their opponent as well as figuring out that Ash and Aeoryi were paired against each other! Second place is awarded to the 7 players with one point, and the bronze medal can be split between those with none  

Thank you to everyone who participated in this game! And special extra thanks to @Elandera for answering my questions, keeping the peace, and being the IM this game needed.

I'll post GM thoughts later, probably tomorrow but potentially tonight. I have some things about the distro I want to shout out, and general thoughts about the balance and mechanics. It wasn't too complicated so there isn't a lot to say, but if anyone has thoughts about it now's the time to say them  

Doc Links:

• Master Sheet
• Dead/Spec Doc
• Elim Doc
• SK Doc
• Convention Game Full Rules

Player List:

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1. @TheRavenHasLanded - Reasonable SEr
2. @The Wandering Wizard - Wizzy - Reasonable SEr
3. @Ookla the Bald / The Known Novel - Shane Huge - Reasonable SEr
4. @Archer- Reasonable SEr
5. @Winnie the Pookla / Araris Valerian - Reasonable SEr
6. @Aeoryi - Reasonable SEr
7. @Ravenclawjedi42 - Reasonable SEr
8.  @WildKarrde  / Kasim  -  (@Kasimir) - Brandon Sanderson
9. @JNV - Crazed SEr
10. @Devotary of Spontaneity - Lena - Reasonable SEr
11. @Ooklil the Wei / Illwei (@TheOokla929 / TheAlpha929) - Reasonable SEr
12. @Coffeecat - Ballistic SEr
13. @neil the beguiled - Crazed SEr
14. @Amanuensis - Reasonable SEr
15. @Ashbringer - Crazed SEr
16. @Cash67 - Reasonable SEr

 

here, yall get a scene from me!

 

---

Raven had never run so fast in his life, he flew around street corners, bleeding from his gut. He made it to the Hyatt, where he stumbles in, gasping in pain. "help- please" he whispered before collapsed, barely breathing, on the hard, cold unforgiving floor. And thus Raven nearly died. but he lived. and next year, he showed up, excited. but never again to go to the SE corner. The old knife wound pounded in his gut and his head, and was honestly glad for all the security he had to go through. "it continues no longer" and he smiles, then walks off.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

3 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Figured I should, since I realised your plan basically meant the Elims would know I was vulnerable the next cycle, which meant a guaranteed kill. Not that it was on the table, since I self-protected C3 anyway. I didn't fully sus you for it since Araris also signed on and by C4, I was pretty willing to buy V!Araris.

My plan?

Edit: Why do I feel like you thought I was being far more confident then I actually was?

I am extremely proud of myself for finding Ash off of that VA, then later figuring out Neil. 

Edited December 22, 2023 by Ookla the Bald

[Mat he/him]

GM Thoughts:

Distro:

I liked this distro when it came up for a few reasons, many relating to Kas  For one, him being Brandon was a neat in-world explanation for how an SEr is actually Brandon in a wizard beard, but more than that I thought it would be nice to have a lurcher who wouldn't necessarily default to protecting Kas every other cycle like many of us would be wont to do (ignore the fact that Kas self-protected every other cycle). As Wiz pointed out, Brandon was designed to be cover for the SK, but over the course of the game Coffee wasn't attacked and no one was lurched, so  But I think it worked fine anyway.

Another thing I liked about the distro was e!JNV against v!Kas, which I didn't set up intentionally but was definitely a factor in picking the distros RNG gave me. In the past I've full-on sheeped Kas' JNV meta reads that were beyond what I could tell, and he was always right, so I wanted to see how he would fare against e!JNV. And I got my answer in literal C1, where he e read him pretty early on. He waffled a bit but ultimately was right again. So there's a question answered! No pressure for future games, Kas  

The elim team ended up being more inactive than I was anticipating, though I maybe should have guessed. Ash going full Dingo was not in the plan (you're fine, Ash) and neil was a gamble, but hey that part of it paid off! @neil the beguiled it was super fun to watch you play and I hope you stick around long enough for me to play with you myself. 2/3 elims not voting the first two cycles screwed with the village for awhile but with an assist from Coffee they got back in it.

And I suppose Coffee was a gamble as well (see my note at the start of the SK doc) but I feel like that also was a good decision. I don't like to be predictable with who gets what role as I like the idea of pure random distros so making a long returning player SK and a new one elim wasn't something I was afraid of doing  

Convention Game:

This... went about how I expected xD Around half the players did this for the first cycle or two, which was basically what I had pictured. The CG suffered greatly, imo, from me making up what it was literally the day before the game started and I don't think the conception was all that good, which was /fine/ because it didn't really mean anything as far as the actual game was concerned. It also suffered from rules inconstancy with me making a rule change that sort of made sense to correct something I thought made even less sense, but what I'd imagined to be a competitive race for points turned out to be pretty clunky. Which again I think is fine as the CG doesn't matter all that much.

I only made two actual mistakes with this. The first was deciding that elims couldn't be teamed together, which though I never confirmed, absolutely could have been metagamed to huge village advantage. (Shoutout Archer for not doing this :P). In general I failed to consider the implications of the CG, but it never got out of hand unless you count JNV's second point coming because Ash told them who his opponent was. The second mistake was that I gave Coffeecat the exact same CG role as their opponent, making them both Corrupted on accident. The worst part of this is that Coffee being inactive for the first 24ish hours gave me ample time to notice and fix this mistake, but I only noticed immediately after Coffee checked her PM :P. Again though, this didn't actually matter in the long run.

And I guess that's it. Thanks again to everyone who signed up and played, making it the most well-attended con/SE game in awhile, and certainly the longest in awhile  I had a lot of fun with the more unconventional (or perhaps more conventional ) setting and writeups. After the AG I'm going to try to ease off on SE as I finish up school so idk if I'll GM again, but if this was my last I definitely would call it an excellent end.

2 hours ago, Kasimir said:

More general comment I wanted to make with regard to the dead doc stuff - as Drake noted in our BT, actually, Tallybot is meant for helping the community, and Xino I think ran his own iteration with vote= flags. What I'm saying is that it's probably possible to provide the script as support/doublecheck for GMs, it just needs some testing and set-up for each game as my regex is not always the best. 

It's a bit more annoying to wrangle in Ookla season, but out of it, it's less of a problem because Drake and I already have the pre-existing player dictionary, so that usually doesn't require too many tweaks.

Oh yeah, shoutout to Tallybot, the real MVP of the game xD But seriously, it's a great tool. I definitely recommend it for future GMs, provided Kas/Drake are able to distribute it and explain to the GMs how to click the button without blowing it up

7 minutes ago, Ookla the Bald said:

I am extremely proud of myself for finding Ash off of that VA, then later figuring out Neil. 

As you should be. Idk if I mentioned it explicitly in the dead doc, but yeah, I was impressed with your reads this game. You're a very underrated villager, imo.

Edited December 22, 2023 by Mat

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Thanks @Mat for running the game and @Elandera for keeping an eye on everything! And thanks to my village bros for not killing me, even though I may have deserved it. Had fun this game despite my somewhat limited engagement.

[Ashbringer he/him]

Yeah... I think lesson learned there. Don't sign up for SE games during finals week. Or at least don't rand Elim in them 

That probably had something to do with it? It's that weird metric of mine. I was busy, but I tend to go inactive more when I'm overwhelmed, which is either I'm really busy or I'm busy + already feel like there's too much to get through. Which tends to be the case when there's an Elim team I'm letting down than a Village one. Just the sense of "should really deal with [important thing]" + "already distracted IRL" + "reading through many pages to find a way to lie because I'm evil" = "... not now". Something I need to work on. 

(I do get overwhelmed as a Villager, I'll note. See that one Roshar and that one Threnody game where I practically begged the Village to exe me sooner so I wouldn't be the distraction train on Exelo. And OG Dingo had... multiple other things going on than just Finals.)

Spoiler

Illwei - I don't hold grudges for AG7 or anything. Maybe I get tunnel visioned sometimes, maybe our playstyles just don't mesh, but I don't mean to hurt you or anyone. If I did, I'm sorry.

I also don't think I even mentioned you (or, well, anyone) this game, but, not going to press the issue.

 

[Archer he/him]

40 minutes ago, Mat said:

After the AG I'm going to try to ease off on SE as I finish up school so idk if I'll GM again, but if this was my last I definitely would call it an excellent end.

:(. Allow me to introduce you to graduate studies, the best way to keep your schedule open for SEing before life gets in the way

No wonder I couldn't guess anyone else's convention game challenge, those are tricky to spot! I need to read the Bondsmiths' and Lightweavers' posts to see what they said. 

I enjoyed the beginning. Thanks for running this, GM, IM!

Edit: And good job, Neil. I look forward to seeing you apply your skills for good instead of evil 

Edited December 22, 2023 by Archer

[Mat he/him]

Just now, Archer said:

I enjoyed the beginning. Thanks for running this, GM, IM!

Sorry again for missing the tie, and thanks again for being cool with it >>

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

1 hour ago, Mat said:

GM Thoughts:

Distro:

I liked this distro when it came up for a few reasons, many relating to Kas  For one, him being Brandon was a neat in-world explanation for how an SEr is actually Brandon in a wizard beard, but more than that I thought it would be nice to have a lurcher who wouldn't necessarily default to protecting Kas every other cycle like many of us would be wont to do (ignore the fact that Kas self-protected every other cycle). As Wiz pointed out, Brandon was designed to be cover for the SK, but over the course of the game Coffee wasn't attacked and no one was lurched, so  But I think it worked fine anyway.

Another thing I liked about the distro was e!JNV against v!Kas, which I didn't set up intentionally but was definitely a factor in picking the distros RNG gave me. In the past I've full-on sheeped Kas' JNV meta reads that were beyond what I could tell, and he was always right, so I wanted to see how he would fare against e!JNV. And I got my answer in literal C1, where he e read him pretty early on. He waffled a bit but ultimately was right again. So there's a question answered! No pressure for future games, Kas  

The elim team ended up being more inactive than I was anticipating, though I maybe should have guessed. Ash going full Dingo was not in the plan (you're fine, Ash) and neil was a gamble, but hey that part of it paid off! @neil the beguiled it was super fun to watch you play and I hope you stick around long enough for me to play with you myself. 2/3 elims not voting the first two cycles screwed with the village for awhile but with an assist from Coffee they got back in it.

And I suppose Coffee was a gamble as well (see my note at the start of the SK doc) but I feel like that also was a good decision. I don't like to be predictable with who gets what role as I like the idea of pure random distros so making a long returning player SK and a new one elim wasn't something I was afraid of doing  

Convention Game:

This... went about how I expected xD Around half the players did this for the first cycle or two, which was basically what I had pictured. The CG suffered greatly, imo, from me making up what it was literally the day before the game started and I don't think the conception was all that good, which was /fine/ because it didn't really mean anything as far as the actual game was concerned. It also suffered from rules inconstancy with me making a rule change that sort of made sense to correct something I thought made even less sense, but what I'd imagined to be a competitive race for points turned out to be pretty clunky. Which again I think is fine as the CG doesn't matter all that much.

I only made two actual mistakes with this. The first was deciding that elims couldn't be teamed together, which though I never confirmed, absolutely could have been metagamed to huge village advantage. (Shoutout Archer for not doing this :P). In general I failed to consider the implications of the CG, but it never got out of hand unless you count JNV's second point coming because Ash told them who his opponent was. The second mistake was that I gave Coffeecat the exact same CG role as their opponent, making them both Corrupted on accident. The worst part of this is that Coffee being inactive for the first 24ish hours gave me ample time to notice and fix this mistake, but I only noticed immediately after Coffee checked her PM :P. Again though, this didn't actually matter in the long run.

And I guess that's it. Thanks again to everyone who signed up and played, making it the most well-attended con/SE game in awhile, and certainly the longest in awhile  I had a lot of fun with the more unconventional (or perhaps more conventional ) setting and writeups. After the AG I'm going to try to ease off on SE as I finish up school so idk if I'll GM again, but if this was my last I definitely would call it an excellent end.

Oh yeah, shoutout to Tallybot, the real MVP of the game xD But seriously, it's a great tool. I definitely recommend it for future GMs, provided Kas/Drake are able to distribute it and explain to the GMs how to click the button without blowing it up

As you should be. Idk if I mentioned it explicitly in the dead doc, but yeah, I was impressed with your reads this game. You're a very underrated villager, imo.

Thank you, this was by far my best non-mech-heavy v!game.

Edit: Just checked the spreadsheet and dangit I knew it was Araris. He put in a . In his first post, but never did it again so I didn't feel confident and ugh I could have tied for a meaningless prize.

Edited December 22, 2023 by Ookla the Bald

[Cash67]

5 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Thanks for running and dealing with my ongoing cries about being a failure to the legacy of Gamma, @Mat  

And thanks for putting out all those fires @Elandera!

In retrospect, I actually didn't expect that many outliers tbh:

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Something Screwy: Neil
Ignore: Aman, Ash, Wiz, Raven, TKN, Cash
Not Again: Kas
Indifference: JNV
V Lean: Neil, Devo
Noisy: Aeo
Scepticism: Aeo, Ravenclaw
Vote: Araris, Ravenclaw
Did Not See: Coffeecat (Silber), Alpha, Cash

 

What does the quote box mean?

[Aeoryi she/her]

1 minute ago, Cash67 said:

What does the quote box mean?

That's the reactions to archers botched sk claim

[Araris Valerian he/him]

1 hour ago, Archer said:

Allow me to introduce you to graduate studies, the best way to keep your schedule open for SEing before life gets in the way

Excellent strategy, can confirm. 

[Kasimir he/him]

6 hours ago, Ookla the Bald said:

My plan?

Edit: Why do I feel like you thought I was being far more confident then I actually was?

The 'Kas self-protects and we get a green flip which narrows PoE down' plan. I trust you on mech/strats, enough to follow your suggestions but not necessarily your alignment. Araris backing it up solidified it for me. The back of my head thought was always: yes, but if I do this, next cycle, the Elim NKs me. Which is fair in the sense we just want to buy a single cycle, but not ideal in that we'd like to have an extra backstop. Anyway it was moot since I couldn't self-protect.

6 hours ago, Ookla the Bald said:

I am extremely proud of myself for finding Ash off of that VA, then later figuring out Neil. 

You should be tbh!

6 hours ago, Mat said:

I liked this distro when it came up for a few reasons, many relating to Kas  

Smh.

6 hours ago, Mat said:

I thought it would be nice to have a lurcher who wouldn't necessarily default to protecting Kas every other cycle like many of us would be wont to do (ignore the fact that Kas self-protected every other cycle).

Put it this way: I was planning to be less selfish about Lurching but also didn't want to accidentally Lurch an Elim this time due to the SK, so the net result was most of my actual V reads/people I felt okay about Lurching were dying before I could get to them, e.g. Archer, Devo, Araris. For whatever reason, I never felt comfortable enough about Lurching Neil, Aeo et al, which maybe should've been a sign about where my instincts were.

It's balanced by the fact I am the definition of failure as a Lurcher

6 hours ago, Mat said:

As Wiz pointed out, Brandon was designed to be cover for the SK

Sir, I pointed this out to Wiz  I was very realistic about the nature of my role.

6 hours ago, Mat said:

Another thing I liked about the distro was e!JNV against v!Kas, which I didn't set up intentionally but was definitely a factor in picking the distros RNG gave me. In the past I've full-on sheeped Kas' JNV meta reads that were beyond what I could tell, and he was always right, so I wanted to see how he would fare against e!JNV. And I got my answer in literal C1, where he e read him pretty early on. He waffled a bit but ultimately was right again. So there's a question answered! No pressure for future games, Kas  

Smh I signed up for human experimentation without informed consent  I think it just annoyed me in that JNV was clearly in their inactivity meta later on, not really on C1 but C1 is too early to tell, but they just felt wrong and I couldn't remotely explain why JNV felt like someone had killed and replaced my Quokka Buddy and didn't feel confident about pushing based on something I couldn't explain and yet also could not just leave them be >>

In conclusion: I don't think I meta-read JNV, I don't know how the hell I read JNV please don't ask me kthxbai

6 hours ago, Mat said:

I had a lot of fun with the more unconventional (or perhaps more conventional ) setting and writeups. After the AG I'm going to try to ease off on SE as I finish up school so idk if I'll GM again, but if this was my last I definitely would call it an excellent end.

Cheers, I really enjoyed it, even the convention game aspect. It just felt like a nice side-thing to do since mine was RPing. I just added the bold text to confuse people  Definitely a decent shout for a last dance.

6 hours ago, Mat said:

Oh yeah, shoutout to Tallybot, the real MVP of the game xD But seriously, it's a great tool. I definitely recommend it for future GMs, provided Kas/Drake are able to distribute it and explain to the GMs how to click the button without blowing it up

I mean, I managed to explain it to you, right?  Araris was less of a higher bar because he knows Python but since (I think?) you don't do Python, being able to sling it to you and let you run it more or less is probably a good sign for extending support to any other GM who wants to use Tallybot going forward. That being said, I'll note that I actually cloned the version I gave you just in case, so even if you blew it up, restoring would've been pretty fast  

I can't promise I wouldn't side-eye you for it though j/k

6 hours ago, Mat said:

As you should be. Idk if I mentioned it explicitly in the dead doc, but yeah, I was impressed with your reads this game. You're a very underrated villager, imo.

This.

6 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

And thanks to my village bros for not killing me, even though I may have deserved it.

I'm beginning to think I can never read you - I just hesitate enough and keep you alive long enough to be accidentally correct when you are Village. But I'm glad we all had a V/V/V game here.

6 hours ago, Archer said:

:(. Allow me to introduce you to graduate studies, the best way to keep your schedule open for SEing before life gets in the way

4 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

Excellent strategy, can confirm. 

Can confirm as well

4 hours ago, Cash67 said:

What does the quote box mean?

On C1, I basically broke down and analysed everyone's reactions to Archer's SK reaction test fakeclaim thing. The short of it is that I think you can usually spot at least one Elim by identifying an anomalous reaction (i.e. an outlier) to the reaction test. This is largely because Elims have TMI and one of them is likely to be influenced by it in responding, while Villagers lack TMI so may have a higher tendency to 'clump' together.

I normally will only argue to look for at most one Elim this way, but had identified Neil and JNV as the two more worrying outliers C1 in that longpost and then focused on JNV. I think this was one of the cases where you do have more than one Elim in the outliers but that's not always the natural result, so it's best not to assume high Elim concentration there.

To get a bit into the nuts and bolts (ignore if you want), it's just about analysing each response, issuing it a typology, and deciding whether it's similar enough that it deserves to be grouped, or not. E.g. Neil and Devo both V-leaned Archer for it, but Neil's response was different in valence from Devo's due to the immediate "bucket strat?" comment he made that it deserved to be flagged as an outlier rather than merely classed with Devo and left there. So some of the effectiveness of this method is at the mercy of how effective you are at analysing/category generation. On the crude end, if you lump everyone together, you just won't find good outliers (duh.)

6 hours ago, Ookla the Bald said:

Thank you, this was by far my best non-mech-heavy v!game.

Will second that.

10 hours ago, neil the beguiled said:

also kas if you wanna hmu abt flight tising and their mafia scene, im polybius0147 there ^^

Ah lol small world! You're running the Fruit Vendor game my mafia server friend is playing in  

FWIW never mention me to them I may have uh, gone hogwild in the game they just GMed me in while multitabling with this one >>;;

[JNV]

2 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Smh I signed up for human experimentation without informed consent  I think it just annoyed me in that JNV was clearly in their inactivity meta later on, not really on C1 but C1 is too early to tell, but they just felt wrong and I couldn't remotely explain why JNV felt like someone had killed and replaced my Quokka Buddy and didn't feel confident about pushing based on something I couldn't explain and yet also could not just leave them be >>

In conclusion: I don't think I meta-read JNV, I don't know how the hell I read JNV please don't ask me kthxbai

Listen listen listen its not a kill and replace thing its a Ship of Theseus thing theres a large gang of quokkas typing all my responses and sometimes a few of them go on break and swap out with new qiokkas but the trick here is some of the quokkas are a bit evil so eventially you reach a critical mass of evil quokkas and you get evil JNV this is definitely how it all works and not a cover for GM distros and RNG

[Kasimir he/him]

7 minutes ago, JNV said:

Listen listen listen its not a kill and replace thing its a Ship of Theseus thing theres a large gang of quokkas typing all my responses and sometimes a few of them go on break and swap out with new qiokkas but the trick here is some of the quokkas are a bit evil so eventially you reach a critical mass of evil quokkas and you get evil JNV this is definitely how it all works and not a cover for GM distros and RNG

Oh so I was right, it was new Evil quokkas who murdered Raven  (I'm kidding, I'm kidding, don't worry it happens.)

@Coffeecat Just wanted to say dwai - read your dead doc comments and Aman has it absolutely right. I don't like to advertise this and it almost never gets hit or targeted that significantly in a game so that's why some SE players don't know about it. But as you didn't know about it and stopped once you realised you were hitting that scar big time, it's all water under the bridge, no worries

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

when do sign-ups for the next game start?

[Mat he/him]

1 minute ago, TheRavenHasLanded said:

when do sign-ups for the next game start?

I think the next game is the AG (anniversary game, which is also anonymous) which I think won't go up until after Christmas at the earliest. But I'm not running that so I don't know for sure.

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

7 minutes ago, Mat said:

I think the next game is the AG (anniversary game, which is also anonymous) which I think won't go up until after Christmas at the earliest. But I'm not running that so I don't know for sure.

ah, alright.

[neil the beguiled]

 

On 12/22/2023 at 6:40 AM, Kasimir said:

Ah lol small world! You're running the Fruit Vendor game my mafia server friend is playing in  

FWIW never mention me to them I may have uh, gone hogwild in the game they just GMed me in while multitabling with this one >>;;

OH WHAT??????  thats wild. also it may be too late for that (tho idk who it is LOL) >.>

x3

[Kasimir he/him]

On 12/24/2023 at 12:06 AM, neil the beguiled said:

 

OH WHAT??????  thats wild. also it may be too late for that (tho idk who it is LOL) >.>

x3

Is now  I held my peace as I didn't want to accidentally slip, especially in private conversations with Stick - it was snippity and I knew they were maf, hence the importance of being quiet.