Kasimir he/him Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Not really tbh. In that I don’t have any good idea who would, other than if that was their plan from the start, I‘d expect them to pile up on me knowing there’d be no SE counterclaim repercussions + they might be able to swing an E!White Fox gambit later (anticipate that second part being less likely now since Devo’s claim looks pure and I’m bringing it up) Will look at the trains in a bit. Getting painkillers, w00ts. 6 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: I’d think v!Mat would realize he wasn’t going to get NK’d given he already just almost got exed and people were still suspecting him, but irrelevant either way now True. Forgot I expected his biggest threat vector if V!SE to be from the exe because that's the fastest way to not worry about his protect. Gonna blame the hour/big C. 8 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: I think v!SE!him that didn’t protect you would refrain from claiming until absolutely necessary, but I also think e!SE! him would be cautious about overheating after nearly dying D1. So I guess it doesn’t really impact my read from before he survived Overheating?
Amanuensis he/him Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 Just now, Kasimir said: Overheating? Meant over sharing, just edited
Kasimir he/him Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 Last question for the moment as my head is killing me and I need rest: @Amanuensis: Suppose you are exed today. I think that looks like what's happening now, and I think that's gonna go through. Who do you suggest the Village then go to next? My read is that you actually suspect Mat and Aloha more than you do Ash and TKN despite the tiers, though I could be mistaken.
Illwei Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 If the kill never went through-if it was RB'd there's no reason to think that Kas was targeted and that's why he's insane. He was never attacked. I have nothing else to really say this cycle since my next steps are going to be figuring out where to go after Aman flips, which will be done during the night phase so there's no real point to think about it now. Heading off to work so I won't be here most likely before rollover. I think I'm moving my village read on JNV to a lean, I liked his pop ins that weren't full of his strange analysis even though I haven't seen him play much recently. He's not trying to force content like I've seen before. My read on TJ was basically gut but i don't have any real reason to looking over his posts. If Aman flips E then I'd look more at TJ for his difference in opinion to Aman and detess' view of vitc- that it's beneficial for the town to use. Detess' was conditional on the village being able to communicate and is more hesitant which makes me think that's more village perspective than Aman's.
Kasimir he/him Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Illwei said: If the kill never went through-if it was RB'd there's no reason to think that Kas was targeted and that's why he's insane. He was never attacked. Elan has clarified the target of a roleblocked kill still goes insane. You can ask her, if you want to. @Elandera Edited to add: Actually, here, I'll cite it for you: On 4/28/2023 at 9:28 PM, Elandera said: Any form of protection or roleblock that stops an attack, no matter where in the OoA, will cause Broken Survivors unless specifically stated otherwise. I agree someone else could've been attacked, but that player would've had to have Iron Will because if not, we'd have two insane players. Edited April 29, 2023 by Kasimir
Illwei Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Kasimir said: Elan has clarified the target of a roleblocked kill still goes insane. You can ask her, if you want to. @Elandera Thats' the most bizzare mechanic I've- no it's not but still
Kasimir he/him Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 Just now, Illwei said: Thats' the most bizzare mechanic I've- no it's not but still Basically you're not wrong it could be someone else but it gotta be someone with Iron Will, then I went insane independently.
|TJ| he/him Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 From EoD1 - Ash/Mat unlikely to be E/E. Ash/Archer likely to be e/e. From N1 - Why did the Wrath of Shades counter increase? It only increase when blood is drawn and does not include execution? D2 - Kas went insane - a. ForbiddenIdolPossessing!Kas b. SpellbookUsing!Kas c. Unlucky!Horrified!Kas d. Survivor!Kas On 4/28/2023 at 10:00 AM, Ashbringer said: Also immediately assuming the Elims wouldn't WGG Kas is precisely why WGGing is a strategy. At this point it's more or less a theoretical strategy. I don't think it's ever been pulled off since I began playing. I like that Mat, Kas and Illwei also concur on Ash/Archer team. Good reads on them (Hi Wei!). Sigh, I'm taking like 20 minutes to go through a page and it's 3am and I want to sleep >> Imprtant, bringing back to D1 for a second, I don't agree with someone (Kas?) who said Fae is likely to be village for self voting. I think the most fundamental point of mafia is to vote out evil players and even the most beginner of beginners would have a clue that we vote players we suspect. I think it was posturing. At the part where Devo claims White Fox, Amanuensis. Since protect blocks also cause Insanity, it is more likely Devo blocked Aman's kill on Kas and the protect was not involved in... any sort of protection :P. Everyone bringing up LG83 as proof of no kill, guys remember the kills stacked in that game so we had incentive for not killing D1. The stacked kills could then be doubled with Duralumin. We only did it that game because of the game mechanics. I think Aman/Ash/Archer team still works. I wonder if Elandera is trolling is by teaming up them with Araris for an all A team. Also perhaps there is a misconception that I suspected deTess more than I did. The point I mentioned was just a tiny suspicion which I stated in the post itself. It probably felt I suspect her more because of the spotlight on it as a result of the ensuing conversation about the issue with Kas and his repeated asks about the difference between her and Aman. And I'm off to bed, bye.
Ashbringer he/him Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Will be heartbroken if it turns out the elims withheld the kill and e!Devo is framing me probably still a White Fox if so, given too risky to fake in case I had an action worth taking Probably? If a White Fox roleblocked you you'd get notified that you can't use an action this turn too, isn't that what the clarification is about? (Sorry if someone else pointed that out, still rereading. also hi TJ let me send this and then look at whatever you quoted) (Edit: oh. I don't know if I remember one, but I think it's been nearly done) @The Known Novel, why do you trust me? Edited April 29, 2023 by Ashbringer
Amanuensis he/him Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Probably? If a White Fox roleblocked you you'd get notified that you can't use an action this turn too, isn't that what the clarification is about? (Sorry if someone else pointed that out, still rereading. also hi TJ let me send this and then look at whatever you quoted) (Edit: oh. I don't know if I remember one, but I think it's been nearly done) @The Known Novel, why do you trust me? I did, yeah, but I forgot about that when I started lamenting my inevitable death still had hope for an SE claim, but it seems less likely since my SE theories all posted now
Kasimir he/him Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 39 minutes ago, |TJ| said: Why did the Wrath of Shades counter increase? It only increase when blood is drawn and does not include execution? Base Wrath of Shades is always at 5%. What's relevant here is Elan didn't include the counter D1. 40 minutes ago, |TJ| said: I like that Mat, Kas and Illwei also concur on Ash/Archer team. Good reads on them (Hi Wei!). Not really sure FWIW, but also - why good read on Mat? 40 minutes ago, |TJ| said: Imprtant, bringing back to D1 for a second, I don't agree with someone (Kas?) who said Fae is likely to be village for self voting. I think the most fundamental point of mafia is to vote out evil players and even the most beginner of beginners would have a clue that we vote players we suspect. I think it was posturing. It's essentially my teammates view again - you come back in, right after Alpha said you were leaving, and you self-vote when you could just be talked to by your team into placing a low-commitment vote on a side-train. She's new enough I don't think anyone would've seriously pressured her for it. That and the open crossbow ask. I feel like if I were E with her, at this point in the doc I'd be tearing out my hair and begging her to dial back on the chaos. But maybe it's a me thing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 43 minutes ago, |TJ| said: At the part where Devo claims White Fox, Amanuensis. Since protect blocks also cause Insanity, it is more likely Devo blocked Aman's kill on Kas and the protect was not involved in... any sort of protection :P. I don't know why I keep asking this question honestly. My head knows the answer. But my heart doesn't want the answer. Spoiler Thanks Digimon tri. 44 minutes ago, |TJ| said: Everyone bringing up LG83 as proof of no kill, guys remember the kills stacked in that game so we had incentive for not killing D1. The stacked kills could then be doubled with Duralumin. We only did it that game because of the game mechanics. I don't think it fundamentally matters. Like, yes, that could be what is happening. But at this point, we go from most likely to least likely, and it's less likely that the Elims withheld the kill, and if they did, my view is it says something specific about team comp. At least that's my view. It's not a common MO, as much as it's been floated here and there. And it takes a team to have a certain confidence in thread I think. I keep saying I'm going off to sleep and I keep trying to. I think I need stronger meds honestly. Gonna sleep through rollover at this rate. 1
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Ashbringer said: Probably? If a White Fox roleblocked you you'd get notified that you can't use an action this turn too, isn't that what the clarification is about? (Sorry if someone else pointed that out, still rereading. also hi TJ let me send this and then look at whatever you quoted) (Edit: oh. I don't know if I remember one, but I think it's been nearly done) @The Known Novel, why do you trust me? ...I don't? What makes you think I do?
Ashbringer he/him Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 10 minutes ago, The Known Novel said: ...I don't? What makes you think I do? This: 5 hours ago, The Known Novel said: I think I'm going to stay out of this. Aman probably needs to die, but I'll be staying out unless Ash is going to die, since I'd rather one of Mat/Aman die. You know what. Nevermind. Aman.
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 Ah, yeah, I just have no particular reason to suspect you, while I am quite suspicious of Mat and Aman got roleblocked.
Amanuensis he/him Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 Unless people are down for a flash wagon, I'm about to go slep In which case, good luck everyone o7
Elandera she/her Posted April 30, 2023 Author Posted April 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Kasimir said: Base Wrath of Shades is always at 5%. What's relevant here is Elan didn't include the counter D1. *should definitely not be running a game while simultaneously running a fever...* It was included in N1 at 5%, and mistakenly left out of D1, which also should have been 5%. The chance of a Shade attack is never zero. I apologize for any mistakes or things I've missed. I'm slowly getting better and things should stabilize. 2
Alvron Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 5 hours ago, Kasimir said: Do you feel there's a specific/particular profile of team that would play this way? My read off the cuff would be that I'd expect potential kill denial shenanigans from Archer, DeTess, Illwei, Devo, you, Alv, maybe Ash. IDK if Mat is that unorthodox, and that's excluding reads. IDK about Alv - I remember working with Ghostbloods Alv enough I could see him considering the strat but I don't feel it's something he'd go for. Problem is that a lot of those players right now are Village reads, sans Archer, Alv, and Ash. One which doesn't have a player that tends to lean towards control and deep in-depth strategy. Mat, Araris, Aman(Alvom), Sart, DeTess(Rand), Devotary and myself all tend to have a sort of rep that makes others listen us and kinda follow whether we want them to or not. Kas, Ash and Steel have that rep as well but are self-effacing enough that others will listen but are also willing to offer alternatives. Wei and Archer from what I've seen don't have that kind of personality. As for TKN, Fae, Alpha, TJ and JNV, I don't have enough to work with. I wouldn't be surprised to find that rather than a strategy of not placing a kill, it was simply a case of the one that was meant to place the kill simply forgetting to put in their orders.
Tea Leaf Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 21 minutes ago, Alvron said: As for TKN, Fae, Alpha, TJ and JNV, I don't have enough to work with. Here: I am a Homesteader thief, beyond that I am pretty boring. I've yet to get an item though.
Kasimir he/him Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Why the heck is Kas not in the first group Because you're forgetting that Alv saw me through my first Elim and SE game ever #EternalKohai Also believe that doesn't really exist Elim side because I'm better off playing support than strategist. 11 minutes ago, The Last Fæ said: Here: I am a Homesteader thief, beyond that I am pretty boring. I've yet to get an item though. What is this, Claimtoberfest? :sob:
Elandera she/her Posted April 30, 2023 Author Posted April 30, 2023 This turn is over. It'll be at least an hour before I get the next one posted. 1
Elandera she/her Posted April 30, 2023 Author Posted April 30, 2023 Night Two: Falling He is not pleased. I lost a brother. He lost a follower. Yet blood still spilled in his name. We are not yet falling. We shall wake him. Soon. Amanuensis was executed! He was a Cultist with Iron Will. Vote Count: Amanuensis (7) - The Known Novel, Matrim's Dice, Araris Valerian, |TJ|, DeTess, JNV, Devotary of Spontaneity Ashbringer (2) - Illwei, TheAlpha 929 Araris (1) - Archer Matrim's Dice (1) - Sart Alvron (1) - Ashbringer Devotary of Spontaneity (1) - Wrath of Shades Counter: 5% This turn will end Sunday, April 30 at 8:30 p.m. PDT / Monday, May 1 at 1:30 p.m. AEST. Player List: Spoiler @The Known Novel - Crazy Hary @Archer - Sam the Witch, widowed by choice @Matrim's Dice - Enatnom @Araris Valerian - Read My Role Telrao / @Illwei - Ealmin @Kasimir - Mordekai @The Last Fæ Amanuensis - Cultist with Iron Will @Sart @TheAlpha929 - Roosevelt @Ashbringer - AraRaash @|TJ| @DeTess @JNV - Jen @Steeldancer - Lord Momo of the Momo Dynasty @Alvron - Navor @Devotary of Spontaneity - Surnia Rule Clarifications: Spoiler Wrath of Shades can only kill the person who sent in the action that triggered it. If a Cultist and a Crossbow user both kill in the same night, they are both rolled at the same percentage and could both be killed. If a Cultist and Crossbow user are the only ones alive at a night turn, both take action to kill the other, and no other actions are involved (such as the Pallid Mask), the game will end on a tie. Pallid Mask and Elder Sign Pendant are both passive items. You cannot use Voice in the Crowd to change a vote to a no vote. Pallid masks do not stop such actions as opening PMs or passing items as they are not "actions taken against" a player, as in not aggressive actions. Any form of protection or roleblock that stops an attack, no matter where in the OoA, will cause Broken Survivors unless specifically stated otherwise. You will always be informed if you lose an ability, role, or item. Iron Will prevents Broken Survivors as it is not their own action that caused it. I believe in this ruleset, the only form of insanity it does not protect against is using the spell book. Previous iterations had more actions with insanity consequences. The chance of a Shade attack is never zero. 7
Alvron Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 Guess that solves the mystery why the was no Kill N1. Well done Devotary. For those wondering, I am the hidden vote on Devotary. I placed the order shortly after the cycle started for reasons I'm not going to reveal. Yet.
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 Well. For everything there is a balance. For every death, a life, For every fair turn of the cards, a hand discarded in frustration, For every acrobat, a stumble, For every look of love, a sneer of hate, And for every two turns without a death, there is an elim's head.
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