Mid-Range Game 63: The Outcasts of Tyrian Falls

[Amanuensis he/him]

2 minutes ago, Shining Silhouette said:

nah browh if only

some cooler roles are cooler yk

also y r u talking like dis m8 u did this b4 2 is a code or smth?

What roles are cooler, in your opinion?

@ls0 n0 c0mm3nt 

Edited April 19, 2023 by Amanuensis

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

13 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

What roles are cooler, in your opinion?

@ls0 n0 c0mm3nt 

Mobbom is liK3 m'bomb, if u g3t whAt iM sayin

[Stick. she/her]

tfw informers and mobborn are alignments not roles  Useless Augur is clearly the coolest role

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

1 minute ago, _Stick_ said:

tfw informers and mobborn are alignments not roles  Useless Augur is clearly the coolest role

oh shoot

hey no Augur is super cool i wish i was an Augur

[Amanuensis he/him]

I’m quite fond of the Slowfooted Lurcher myself 

Edited April 19, 2023 by Amanuensis

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

Just now, Amanuensis said:

I’m quite fond of the Lurcher myself 

Me too

[Stick. she/her]

Oh wait, are we claiming? In that case, I'd also say that the Slowfooted Lurcher is the coolest of the roles. 

[Mat he/him]

1 hour ago, Shining Silhouette said:

Oh sweet

I'd argue that the tell isn't as obvious as Stick is making it out to be, but I'm naturally inclined to defend my elim play for obvious reasons and I could just be dead wrong about that, in which case I should shut up 

[Stick. she/her]

Did people know that Augurs can target other players to learn their untrue role+alignments? Noticed this in the OoA and just got GM confirmation. 

Edit:

This is actually great cover for elims sending in the NK. Beware.

Edited April 19, 2023 by _Stick_

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I’ll swap from DeTess to Archer. I’m not a fan of the “returning player” thing in a 9-player game, since we don’t really have the leeway to not follow our suspicions. I don’t feel comfortable flagging that as AI, and IDK whether that’s a tactic e!Stick would use anyways. 

Anyways, Archer feels like he’s being too defensive of other players for C1. His exchange with Stick rubbed me wrong mostly for this reason I think.

[Stick. she/her]

@Amanuensis why the Archer vote, btw? 

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just now, _Stick_ said:

@Amanuensis why the Archer vote, btw? 

2 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Yay three way ties

Basically that + I don't want to vote DeTess or Alpha

[Amanuensis he/him]

That said tho...

Alpha

VC:
Stick(2): Mat, Archer
Aman(2): Alpha, Silho
Archer(2): Stick, Araris
Alpha(2): DeTess, Aman

Yay four way ties

Edited April 19, 2023 by Amanuensis

[Stick. she/her]

Hm…the larger number of players involved in the tie as we approach EoD, the smaller the pool of converts/NK targets to choose from. 
However, there is vote manip which the elim team may or may not have. 

[Mat he/him]

I seem to recall e!Wiz forming a tie as a strategy just last game. Dunno if Aman saw that but it’s on my mind. I’d rather we pick some targets, stick to them, and let it play out as opposed to letting RNG do as it does.

[Stick. she/her]

Woah my post was like, after yours for a second and then they switched places o.O

[Amanuensis he/him]

4 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I seem to recall e!Wiz forming a tie as a strategy just last game. Dunno if Aman saw that but it’s on my mind. I’d rather we pick some targets, stick to them, and let it play out as opposed to letting RNG do as it does.

I didn't follow the last game, if that sways you one way or the other 

Edited April 19, 2023 by Amanuensis

[Archer he/him]

Dangit, lost my post trying to see what the new posts were. The summary is:

-Theorizing Stick felt they'd backed away from Mat too easily and had to double down to compensate. That or changing their mind looks very villagey. 

-Stick feels performative. AHOY THERE A TUNNEL is odd. OH GOODY CAN WE CLAIM NOW is also odd (fake claim would be more village indicative) 

-Alpha, lets talk post game. I encourage you to play because the agency it offers you compare to spectating let's you figure out what buttons you need to push to get responses you can work with. 

-Araris' vote is valid, but a little too clean. General comment, then subtly vote me for voting someone else without quite saying that. Are you being defensive of Stick, Araris? :P. 

I'm scared about all these unread messages

[Stick. she/her]

You…believe my claim? 
 

Edit:

and as you should 

But when you say you think I backed off Mat too easily, can you explain what reason E!Me would have to do that at all, given that Mat was the only viable CW at the moment assuming we aren’t paired? 

Edited April 19, 2023 by _Stick_

[Archer he/him]

21 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

You…believe my claim? 
 

Edit:

and as you should 

But when you say you think I backed off Mat too easily, can you explain what reason E!Me would have to do that at all, given that Mat was the only viable CW at the moment assuming we aren’t paired? 

I'm having trouble differentiating between banter and lies that aren't meant to be read as lies

Well I mean, clearly you realized that after you posted. And reacted by putting the vote back on. I didn't see Mat's first post as being especially suspicious, but you've remained on that train throughout this round. It doesn't seem right. 

[The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him]

23 minutes ago, Archer said:

Alpha, lets talk post game. I encourage you to play because the agency it offers you compare to spectating let's you figure out what buttons you need to push to get responses you can work with. 

Okay. Mostly I don’t want to be a burden to anyone, and I don’t want half the posts to be explaining some term or another to me.

For the record, I understand that me saying things like “Do you need clarification?” and things like that are a little confusing, but it’s basically just my personality showing through a bit. It means that I thought it out, and if there’s something that I didn’t state clearly I want to fix it.

Moving on from me, @Amanuensis, why did you bring it up to a four-way tie? Is it because you can’t die in one? I’m not so sure in my earlier post about your alignment, and there is still quite a lot of the cycle left until rollover, but did you have any reasons for this?

[Stick. she/her]

10 minutes ago, Archer said:

Well I mean, clearly you realized that after you posted. And reacted by putting the vote back on. I didn't see Mat's first post as being especially suspicious, but you've remained on that train throughout this round. It doesn't seem right. 

This doesn’t track because my vote retraction was an Edit, meaning that it wasn’t a spur of the moment decision and I’d taken the time to think. Am on mobile right now but you can check the exact time stamps of that post to see exactly how much time I took. And then I had time to rethink, and then rerethink. You yourself have pointed out in the past (in LG91 I believe) that E!me prefers to enter the thread with well crafted cases against villagers I want to push with pre-planned alternatives lined up. 

7 minutes ago, TheAlpha929 said:

Okay. Mostly I don’t want to be a burden to anyone, and I don’t want half the posts to be explaining some term or another to me.

For the record, I understand that me saying things like “Do you need clarification?” and things like that are a little confusing, but it’s basically just my personality showing through a bit. It means that I thought it out, and if there’s something that I didn’t state clearly I want to fix it.

Moving on from me, @Amanuensis, why did you bring it up to a four-way tie? Is it because you can’t die in one? I’m not so sure in my earlier post about your alignment, and there is still quite a lot of the cycle left until rollover, but did you have any reasons for this?

Oh no! There seems to be a misunderstanding here. You’re not a burden no as far as I’m aware everyone’s having fun playing with you! And we enjoy answering questions. Analysing players’ posts and picking apart usage of words and phrases like I did yours is just part of the game and is completely normal. 

Edit:

It’s normal in the sense that it’s a common form of analysis - it helped me solidify my village read of you, for instance 

Edited April 19, 2023 by _Stick_

[The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him]

5 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Oh no! There seems to be a misunderstanding here. You’re not a burden no as far as I’m aware everyone’s having fun playing with you! And we enjoy answering questions. Analysing people’s posts and picking apart usage of words and phrases like I did yours is just part of the game and is completely normal.

Ah, apologies. Originally I was just confused because I used the word cleared in a throw-away sort of way, and that got analyzed. I understand and I’ll not be so sensitive in the future 

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just now, TheAlpha929 said:

Okay. Mostly I don’t want to be a burden to anyone, and I don’t want half the posts to be explaining some term or another to me.

For the record, I understand that me saying things like “Do you need clarification?” and things like that are a little confusing, but it’s basically just my personality showing through a bit. It means that I thought it out, and if there’s something that I didn’t state clearly I want to fix it.

Moving on from me, @Amanuensis, why did you bring it up to a four-way tie? Is it because you can’t die in one? I’m not so sure in my earlier post about your alignment, and there is still quite a lot of the cycle left until rollover, but did you have any reasons for this?

You should never feel like a burden, friendo. We were all new players once upon a time and we're always eager to help fresh blood acclimate.

I might be a Soother, if that's what you're asking  maybe that's why I've requested the Mobborn to recruit me, so that it will fail and the Skaa will remain ahead in numbers.

I also might be something completely different, in which case I'm just as likely to die in a tie as anyone else. In that scenario, keeping myself in danger is a decent way to avoid getting immediately NK'd after my original plan (before I realized this is a combined-cycle MR) fell to pieces and I painted an unnecessary target on my back 

More specifically, or perhaps generally, I like engineering ties with as many people involved because it widens the net, especially on D1 when there aren't solid leads to pursue. I reckon that there's a good chance that one of Stick, Archer, and you are an elim by sheer probability alone, and thus expect said elim's partner to break the tie in their favor. Leads don't generally come out of nowhere and from my experience, there's no better way to uncover E-E associations than forcing elims to vote defensively. This is one of my bread-and-butter strategies, which I employ in nearly every game.

Does that help?

[The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him]

Yeah, makes sense!