Mid-Range Game 63: The Outcasts of Tyrian Falls

[Stick. she/her]

24 minutes ago, Archer said:

That's a shame. I was reading your Mat vote as bait to test Alpha, not a serious attack - and was Skaa reading you for it. I'm Skaa-reading Mat based on him not realizing there was 9 players, since being a member of a minor faction on a small team should have been a dead giveaway. 

I dont know if I'd call it a 'test', but yeah, part of it was me was hoping e!Alpha would be comfortable pushing for a Mat wagon more strongly if they saw that they had some support for it. Except I don't know what to reasonably expect from E!Alpha. I also just wanted to join a Mat wagon tbh like I said.

24 minutes ago, Archer said:

Ideally, killing a single Mobborn today before they can spread is the best case scenario

I checked the OoA and no, they can get exed and still recruit someone the same cycle  

Edited April 18, 2023 by _Stick_
mixed the phrases up

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

20 minutes ago, The Known Novel said:

Nope. Only PMs made with the PM action

After the Tineye passes, are there limits on how many PMs you can make per turn?

13 minutes ago, DeTess said:

So what I am saying is that I think that the only chance of victory the vilalge has is to try and get the elims as fast as possible, deos that make sense?

In practice, though, isn't the process to find elims/Mobborm pretty similar especially later in the game after conversions? VA /association analysis? 

Does differentiating our goals really matter if the methods are the same?

[DeTess she/her]

6 minutes ago, Shining Silhouette said:

In practice, though, isn't the process to find elims/Mobborm pretty similar especially later in the game after conversions? VA /association analysis? 

Does differentiating our goals really matter if the methods are the same?

That's true, but if I had a set of analysis that pointed to one player likely being mobborn, and another set that points to another player being somewhat likely to be an elim, the second would take priority, in my mind, even if I'm less certain. 

[Stick. she/her]

27 minutes ago, Archer said:

I'm Skaa-reading Mat based on him not realizing there was 9 players, since being a member of a minor faction on a small team should have been a dead giveaway.

If we consider 12 players, 3 elims vs 9 villagers is the expectation for a standard game (20-25%). In a game where two village-ish factions are trying to outnumber each other, 3 elims in a 12-player game could be considered a tad disproportionate. So I don't think a world where e!Mat (who isn't aware we're down to 9 players) checks in to find a 2-man elim team necessarily means a dead giveaway to 9 players.

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

2 minutes ago, DeTess said:

That's true, but if I had a set of analysis that pointed to one player likely being mobborn, and another set that points to another player being somewhat likely to be an elim, the second would take priority, in my mind, even if I'm less certain. 

Oh I see what you're saying

@The Known Novel Is there a difference between a converted Mobborn vs OG Moborn's flip?

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

33 minutes ago, Shining Silhouette said:

After the Tineye passes, are there limits on how many PMs you can make per turn?

In practice, though, isn't the process to find elims/Mobborm pretty similar especially later in the game after conversions? VA /association analysis? 

Does differentiating our goals really matter if the methods are the same?

No, but group PMs are still not allowed.

18 minutes ago, Shining Silhouette said:

Oh I see what you're saying

@The Known Novel Is there a difference between a converted Mobborn vs OG Moborn's flip?

No.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

5 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Araris Valerian ayo porch bro

I'm mentally preparing myself to be traumatized when it turns out we aren't teamed again.

3 hours ago, TheAlpha929 said:

but if they seem unbalanced TKN might switch Mat around to Elim, or even Mobborn

What about me? I'm a better elim than Mat .

In reality GMs have different approaches to building elim teams. If you get a bunch of newer players then you can boost them with roles or an extra teammate. If you have all veterans maybe they don't have quite as strong roles. The main thing to note is that most SE GMs are abject trolls and will do their best to punish you for distro-guessing, especially during the early part of a game.

2 hours ago, Archer said:

-On the topic of PMs, they’re an action that shows you’re not submitting a convert order or NK, so I strongly recommend that you make them. I suspect that the Inefficient Tineye is an Informer to work around this form of clearing. The Mobborn workaround is that they get a PM for free out of the conversion.

Well, sort of. Each PM by definition has 2 players, meaning the Tineye can't tell for certain who didn't make one, and the PM scan comes before creation, so it is useless C1. After that, with 2 players dead there is a lot of free space for people to claim why they don't have a PM. 

39 minutes ago, DeTess said:

That's true, but if I had a set of analysis that pointed to one player likely being mobborn, and another set that points to another player being somewhat likely to be an elim, the second would take priority, in my mind, even if I'm less certain. 

I don't like this. There's not really any practical way to distinguish between the two alignments, so this feels like the sort of theorycrafting an elim would do to look village, rather than an actual villager strategizing how to win the game. DeTess. Welcome back!

[Mat he/him]

2 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Maybee? xD Dunno how I feel about you being that self-aware though  

Not self aware, just a guess looking back on it  It's not a way of speaking I normally use.

1 hour ago, Archer said:

That's a shame. I was reading your Mat vote as bait to test Alpha, not a serious attack

Same, actually.

28 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

What about me? I'm a better elim than Mat .

:eyes:

I would try to disagree but when you compare our track records it's not even close, so I'll just concede :P.

[Archer he/him]

1 hour ago, _Stick_ said:

I checked the OoA and no, they can get exed and still recruit someone the same cycle  

Fabulous. 

21 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

I'm mentally preparing myself to be traumatized when it turns out we aren't teamed again.

Each PM by definition has 2 players, meaning the Tineye can't tell for certain who didn't make one, and the PM scan comes before creation, so it is useless C1. After that, with 2 players dead there is a lot of free space for people to claim why they don't have a PM. 

I don't like this. There's not really any practical way to distinguish between the two alignments, so this feels like the sort of theorycrafting an elim would do to look village, rather than an actual villager strategizing how to win the game. DeTess. Welcome back!

Don't speak too soon, you might end up being converted. :P.

 I was focused on the fact that the Tineye gets a free PM, entirely forgetting that the person who could check if they have PMs is the Tineye. 

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

 

Same, actually.

I'm inclined to still skaa read Stick for it, even if it had mixed motives. Hbu? 

[Mat he/him]

2 minutes ago, Archer said:

I'm inclined to still skaa read Stick for it, even if it had mixed motives. Hbu? 

I could agree with that I guess. I'm more wary to assign points there just because it's something I've done while evil, but you're not wrong that at face value it shows solving.

[DeTess she/her]

53 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

 

I don't like this. There's not really any practical way to distinguish between the two alignments, so this feels like the sort of theorycrafting an elim would do to look village, rather than an actual villager strategizing how to win the game. DeTess. Welcome back!

Isn't there though? Untill we actually lynch a non-villager the markers might look similar (defending people without clear reason and other markers of knowing people's alignment), but as soon as an elim or mobborn gets lynched seeing the difference should become quite possible.

Edit: Though you're right I am not really strategizing. As I said in my first post I'm really just trying to wrap my head around the impact the mobborn have on this game.

Edited April 18, 2023 by DeTess

[Amanuensis he/him]

I’m content with my current vote after Araris’ response.

@The Known Novel To clarify, can a PM creation action be submitted on both day turns and night turns, which you then open at the start of next turn? If yes to both, can two PM actions be used a cycle? Also if a player creates a PM with a day action, do they still have a night action to submit a kill or use their role?

Also in case it was missed, I’m open to being recruited into the Mobborn ASAP. It doesn’t make too much a difference to me which village faction I’m a part of—my only goal is voting Informers, and having a confirmed not Informer teammate would be a wonderful boon for that. Plus I can even be the Mobborn’s public spokesperson and the first sacrificial lamb, if the remaining skaa decide it’s more important to whittle or numbers than kill the Informers.

[Archer he/him]

2 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

I’m content with my current vote after Araris’ response.

@The Known Novel To clarify, can a PM creation action be submitted on both day turns and night turns, which you then open at the start of next turn? If yes to both, can two PM actions be used a cycle? Also if a player creates a PM with a day action, do they still have a night action to submit a kill or use their role?

Also in case it was missed, I’m open to being recruited into the Mobborn ASAP. It doesn’t make too much a difference to me which village faction I’m a part of—my only goal is voting Informers, and having a confirmed not Informer teammate would be a wonderful boon for that. Plus I can even be the Mobborn’s public spokesperson and the first sacrificial lamb, if the remaining skaa decide it’s more important to whittle or numbers than kill the Informers.

We're playing an MR. :P. 

Aman. Araris

[The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him]

6 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

I’m open to being recruited into the Mobborn ASAP. 

I am also fine with being converted.

[Mat he/him]

I will note that asking to be recruited could be a serious elim tell.

[Amanuensis he/him]

9 minutes ago, Archer said:

We're playing an MR. :P. 

Aman. Araris

Oh. Duh.

Am sad now

ED1T:

5 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I will note that asking to be recruited could be a serious elim tell.

Perhaps. Tho e!Aman successfully convincing the Mobborn to convert me would result in their immediate death and my immediate execution tomorrow, since it would be obvious why that happened

Simpler explanation is that I'm a skaa that really wants to be a Mobborn for Reasons™

ED2T:

Alas, combined cycles throws a wrench in my genius plan, sadface

Edited April 18, 2023 by Amanuensis

[Mat he/him]

7 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Perhaps. Tho e!Aman successfully convincing the Mobborn to convert me would result in their immediate death and my immediate execution tomorrow, since it would be obvious why that happened

Eh. I wouldn't call that obvious. People do what people do, and I have full confidence in your ability to talk around that in that case :P.

Edited April 18, 2023 by Matrim's Dice

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

6 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I will note that asking to be recruited could be a serious elim tell.

Ah but now that you've noted it it's become an anti-elim tell

Converting me could be fun, y'all. Mat, if you're the Mobborm it could be just like old times

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

Eh. I wouldn't call that obvious. People do what people do, and I have full confidence in your ability to talk around that :P.

Cat's out of the bag now, so it'd be much harder to wriggle out of it either way  not that I intend on trying. My aspirations are pure, I swear!

[The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him]

38 minutes ago, TheAlpha929 said:

I am also fine with being converted.

37 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Simpler explanation is that I'm a skaa that really wants to be a Mobborn for Reasons™

 

29 minutes ago, Shining Silhouette said:

Converting me could be fun, y'all. Mat, if you're the Mobborm it could be just like old times

Now it’s become a “see-who-gets-converted/man-I-really-wanna-get-converted” type of thing 

[Stick. she/her]

Still feeling good about Silho and tentatively feeling okay about Alpha. Slight village lean on DeTess bc their approach to solving seems natural in a village way to me.

VC:
JNV(1): Mat
Araris(2): Aman, Archer
Stick(1): Silho
Mat(2): Alpha, Stick
DeTess(1): Araris
 

[Amanuensis he/him]

3 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Still feeling good about Silho and tentatively feeling okay about Alpha. Slight village lean on DeTess bc their approach to solving seems natural in a village way to me.

VC:
JNV(1): Mat
Araris(2): Aman, Archer
Stick(1): Silho
Mat(2): Alpha, Stick
DeTess(1): Araris
 

How do you feel about Archer and myself? @_Stick_ oh and Araris

Edited April 18, 2023 by Amanuensis

[Stick. she/her]

6 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

How do you feel about Archer and myself? @_Stick_ oh and Araris

I'd wager there's at least one Mobborn on that list as of this cycle >:)

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

1 minute ago, _Stick_ said:

I'd wager there's at least one Mobborn on that list as of this cycle >:)

Those darn A-usernames >>

[The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him]

For real—I only half have an A-username, so I’m good