Long Game 83: The Survivor

[Kasimir he/him]

4 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

And yet, Kas hasn't been elim since 2014  Allegedly.

Balance in all things, young jetii.

RNGesus gives me a long Village streak, and RNGesus damns Fifth.

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be

[|TJ| he/him]

Hi y'all I'm here. I'll be more focused on GMing so I might take time to catch up on stuff - but couple of thoughts 

That Thaidakar claim xD *sigh* I don't see it coming from an elim honestly. It - it just came off so naturally as a response to Mat's joke claim. 

Speaking of Mat - 

6 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I’d rather not coordinate items during the Day because we could probably reason a few things out based on what people take. The Night may be a different story, but for me personally, I don’t think I’ll ever claim what item I’m taking publicly.

I read this in exactly the opposite of how I read e!TUA in LG73 [for context, TUA was very forthcoming of his actions and stated he'd be adding to the camps defense without prompt which I read as an attempt to appear villagery]. This post feels like the opposite end of that spectrum, so gut-reading Mat as village. 

Also - 

5 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I think as long as you have Pewter, you don't have to do anything else to survive an attack. That's what 'passive' typically means, at least.

@StrikerEZ, what happens when you have Pewter and you're burning Aluminum and get attacked? xD

6 hours ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

I would like to grab the Shade gun because, well, SHADE GUN.

Well.....

[This is just a joke, and a chance to share one of my favorite songs in a musical, not revealing my item target ]

[StrikerEZ he/him]

2 hours ago, |TJ| said:

8 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

 

@StrikerEZ, what happens when you have Pewter and you're burning Aluminum and get attacked? xD

You’d lose the pewter and get attacked.

[Quivil]

9 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

Anytime. I always say that brutal murder is the highest form of respect around here .

Tani

You're welcome, Striker.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

9 hours ago, Sequence said:

Expect me to stumble through most of this cluelessly, as this will be my first game of SE.

@Sequence, pleasure to have you! I wouldn't over-worry about being new - it shouldn't be a barrier to contributing, and beyond missing some conventions doesn't make you any less capable of evaluation. Indeed, coming at this from outside the established meta is in many ways advantageous, in giving you a different perspective on interactions.

9 hours ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

This is my second game of SE I won't be totally ignorant but I will still be very inexperienced.

Much the same to you, @Thaidakar the Ghostblood. Inexperience is no barrier to critical thought, and I look forward to your contributions.

9 hours ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

I would like to claim Hazekiller and stick aswell.

@Thaidakar the Ghostblood, I'm curious as to why you decided to claim - would you mind laying out your decision process?

9 hours ago, Tani said:

I'd like to claim Elim

 

Should we coordinate who's gonna go for what? Because somebody should probably grab that attractor fabrial... and I'd rather we didn't all go for it because that's a bit of a waste.

 

Ed1t: To be clear, I'm not actually claiming Elim.

@Tani, why did you feel the need to clarify your self-evidently not-serious claim?

Beyond that, I think advocating coordination on item claiming is worth considering.

I'm coming at this from a position of believing said coordination is disadvantageous to the village - I think coordinating to maximise getting items isn't likely to result in an advantage to the village, as the eliminator team are just as capable of participating in the coordination, and think it removes interesting information on e.g. which players go for the same items (and so are less likely to be coordinated). That said, I've re-read the rules, and don't think we find out who failed to get an item - and so will concede that there's a trade-off here, in terms of incoordination vs players' stated interests in items. 

Expressing a wish to coordinate to avoid a waste reads slightly off to me.

9 hours ago, Fifth Scholar said:

Bro I am half an hour into my chill, quiet, RPful game, please reserve judgment >> Also, c'mon, after so many elim games in a row, RNGesus wouldn't make me evil again, the universe needs to balance out eventually >>

Agreed on item coordination, and I would also be wary of doing it in PMs. Aside from the thief getting his pick of targets, there's also sheer numbers; if every elim is in contact with even one or two villagers who are coordinating this way, and people are being honest, they can get a pretty good map of interactions. Not saying there's no benefit to sharing or coordinating, just be aware that any information you give can and will be used against you in the wrong hands, and you've got to decide if the info you get is worth that risk.

@Fifth Scholar, I'd reiterate perhaps more strongly the point you make here - the value of knowing nearly all items/interactions is in my mind much greater than many people each knowing one or two item positions, and so would strongly discourage too much PM claiming.

8 hours ago, JNV said:

Anti Investiture knife. Use only in times of desperation. It will take away an elims ability to kill (because steel vial) and possibly kill them but you have to be certain and also you might die.

@JNV, I'd like to probe your thoughts on this, particularly your suggestion that holders should be reluctant to use it. Looking first only at it taking away allomancy, I think even if one used it randomly, a ~1/4 chance of taking away an eliminator's ability to make the kill and use metals is very much worth a ~3/4 chance of taking away a villager's ability to use metals, even if we only consider it's potential on LyLo. Beyond that, I've always been opposed to village reluctance to vig kill. I'm not sure it's consistent to require a higher threshold of suspicion to kill someone than to vote on them with the intent to kill them. Further, if we assume a villager is even slightly more likely to find an eliminator suspicious than a villager suspicious, a vig kill is net positive to use. If a vig kill has even a one in three chance of hitting an eliminator, and eliminators make up one in four players, then on average vigilante kills will hurt the eliminators more than they hurt the village.

The 10% chance of your own death does change the equation, but I think the knife remains worth using at even a moderate level of confidence in a player being evil.

[Quivil]

2 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

@Tani, why did you feel the need to clarify your self-evidently not-serious claim?

Just in case ig. So there'd be no doubt and it couldn't come back later to bite me.

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

26 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

 

Much the same to you, @Thaidakar the Ghostblood. Inexperience is no barrier to critical thought, and I look forward to your contributions.

@Thaidakar the Ghostblood, I'm curious as to why you decided to claim - would you mind laying out your decision process?

welp, I got inevitably tricked by Mat who wasnt even trying to trick me because he said I claim mistborn as I had not read the rules. so I took that as a weird way to start the game so I said that. *curses mat's humor in the back of my head*

[Stick. she/her]

Thief - if you want to, shoot me a PM! I don't see why we can't work together. 

(Just to be clear, you're completely on your own when it comes to the actual thievery/item collection quests, but I will try to help you stay alive when I can)

Spoiler

 

 

[Kasimir he/him]

31 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Thief - if you want to, shoot me a PM! I don't see why we can't work together. 

(Just to be clear, you're completely on your own when it comes to the actual thievery/item collection quests, but I will try to help you stay alive when I can)

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ngl the heart is a bit disturbing

also the domino mask

what if he doesn't rock a mask

what if he's just your local security officer confiscating dangerous terribad items from the resident population who seek to answer all problems with violence

what then

[Stick. she/her]

10 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

ngl the heart is a bit disturbing

also the domino mask

what if he doesn't rock a mask

what if he's just your local security officer confiscating dangerous terribad items from the resident population who seek to answer all problems with violence

what then

no no I have it on good authority 

they wear the mask

[Mat he/him]

4 hours ago, |TJ| said:

That Thaidakar claim xD *sigh* I don't see it coming from an elim honestly. It - it just came off so naturally as a response to Mat's joke claim. 

Seconding this, to an extent, but I read it more as NAI-leaning-village than straight village.

I instinctively dislike Stick offering an alliance with the Thief, but it's probably just NAI :P. I had the same reaction and conclusion to JNV's opening post, actually.

The Thief does wear the mask though

(Also, not waking up to a new page was an appreciated surprise )

[Karnatheon he/him]

17 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Seconding this, to an extent, but I read it more as NAI-leaning-village than straight village.

I instinctively dislike Stick offering an alliance with the Thief, but it's probably just NAI :P. I had the same reaction and conclusion to JNV's opening post, actually.

The Thief does wear the mask though

(Also, not waking up to a new page was an appreciated surprise )

Not waking up to 7 new pages was a nice surprise 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

1 hour ago, Kasimir said:

what if he's just your local security officer confiscating dangerous terribad items from the resident population who seek to answer all problems with violence

If this is the case then we must destroy the thief as quickly as possible. Violence is the only answer.

[Kasimir he/him]

2 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

If this is the case then we must destroy the thief as quickly as possible. Violence is the only answer.

wow, that's such an unfriendly response, my dude

Your security officers are there to protect you from yourselves and your destructive impulses  

[Araris Valerian he/him]

6 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Your security officers are there to protect you from yourselves

You know, that's not a terrible point. If I destroy myself then I'll never grow into an old murderous grouch.

Also, I'd just like to point out that Fifth currently has the most votes, so it might be helpful if some people can vote a bit to kill someone else.

[Stick. she/her]

I dont think Szeth has posted

@Szeth_Pancakes

[Mat he/him]

12 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Also, I'd just like to point out that Fifth currently has the most votes, so it might be helpful if some people can vote a bit to kill someone else.

I'll join you on JNV, going off my previous point since a half reason is better than a joke reason :P.

[Karnatheon he/him]

I guess it's been less than 24 hours but still, Dannnex hasn't posted yet @Dannnex among others.

[Biplet she/her]

1 hour ago, Kasimir said:

wow, that's such an unfriendly response, my dude

Your security officers are there to protect you from yourselves and your destructive impulses  

Calling it now, kas is the thief. My work here is done

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, Biplet said:

Calling it now, kas is the thief. My work here is done

I'm not a thief, I'm your security officer :|

[Bort he/him]

Oh wow... I had forgotten about the onslaught of posts in these games, lol

I'm probably going to be a bit quiet for the first round or so, to get my head around the game again, and until I can start getting reads on people.

It's good to be back!

PS. Thanks to those asking for no D1 lynches on the newbies and those of us fresh out of retirement. I, for one, appreciate the chance to get back into the game before inevitably dying

Edited February 16, 2022 by Bort
Fixing typos

[Kasimir he/him]

3 minutes ago, Bort said:

Oh wow... I had forgotten about the onslaught of posts in these games, lol

I'm probably going to be a bit quiet for the first round or so, to get my head around the game again, and until I can start getting reads on people.

It's good to be back!

PS. Thanks to those asking for no D1 lynches on the newbies and those of us fresh out of retirement. I, for one, appreciate the chance to get back into the game before inevitably dying

Good to see you again, Bort. Pretty sure you'll be slinging beardnuts with the best of them soon  

[Bort he/him]

Ah yes! Beardnuts and Beardspren

[Quivil]

Bort

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

Bort.