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I think this is for non-Cosmere stuff Brandon reads part of the Sixth Incarnation of Pandora here: at 1:04:05 A transcript can be found here: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/448/#e14437

Axindweth could be from before Rashek's Ascension. During the time period of the Final Empire, the Steel Ministry tried to hunt down Feruchemists and the Perpendicularities were in relatively difficult to access places: the Pits of Hathsin and the Well of Ascension is within Kredik Shaw itself. While she could be from this time period, and people did get in and out through the Pits relatively regularly enough to create what Hoid called an interplanetary trade route, she would've found it much easier to discover Worldhopping before the Final Empire, when the Perpendicularities were located within the Terris mountains themselves. In fact, there might be many Terris (& Feruchemist) Worldhoppers roaming around from this time.

The Atium geodes were situated right above Ruin's Pool, so it's quite possible that they grew there because of the Perpendicularity. Can the... location where the Godmetal occurred naturally and the Perpendicularity be separated? As for South Scadrians, they have airships and they have visited the northern continent before, most of which is left uninhabited, unexplored by the people of Elendel Basin. The temple of the Sovereign itself is also located in the Southern Roughs, which may not be a coincidence.

Sja-Anat talks about the nature of Odium too, she also sees it as conflict, debate, disagreement

Yup, we did notice it, the broadsheets have been pored over quite a bit, it's just been a while since anyone's made a topic on it, since we haven't had a new Mistborn book in a while... so there hasn't been any new info. Brandon's RAFO'd on the no. of Perpendicularities that Harmony has. We do know that Harmony has his own Godmetal (which is super volatile and can be used for mechanical Allomancy), that Harmony could create Lerasium or Atium (so they're probably no longer produced naturally anymore), that the new Mists are of Harmony, not just Preservation... so Harmony's Perpendicularity or Perpendicularities could go either way. We do see the former Pits of Hathsin which were moved during the Catacendre, and it was pretty inactive at the time. People do argue that it could become active again or that a new place might be created to produce Atium. We have WoBs that imply that the latter is not true, the former might actually be possible, as Kelsier only destroyed the buds, not the Perpendicularity itself... but Ruin is now held by the same Vessel as Preservation and at least somewhat intermingled (there's a WoB that if Sazed died, he'd drop Harmony, not Preservation and Ruin; there's another WoB that says separating the two Shards would take some effort). Anyway, the idea is that the Pits might activate again and that's why the next book is called the Lost Metal. I'm not entirely sure about the theory, but it's interesting.

He was stabbed with a normal dagger (not Nightblood) by Vasher after he gave him some of his Breaths to surprise him, we see his hair change colours revealing that he had the Royal Locks. His body's fine enough (eheheh) to be turned into a Lifeless. Though, iirc, the most skilled fighter among the Five Scholars was Arsteel/Clod and the most skilled scholars were Shashara and Yesteel, so Denth's not the scariest of them.

@Eternal Khol, DM me the unreleased info u found? *makes pitiable anime eyes*

Oof, lol, yeah, if anything it's a wee bit underwhelming in a way, I suppose. Hmm... I think it was mentioned in the beginning, in the test and at the end, during the duel. Brandon wanted to retcon it by making it more of an in-world myth but Kenton & others talk about it as if they had personally seen it being used, so some of that dialogue might need to get adjusted. Yeah, it's only mentioned and never plays a role in the story. It was already inaccessible to the protagonists, so it doesn't really need to be removed from the story for narrative reasons. Lol, well, it's very helpful in killing Sandlings though! And it will help against dehydration, slowly, unlike, say, Stormlight healing, but every bit counts.

Huh, interesting comparison, and if it is the easiest way of Investiture conversion, that would indeed be invaluable. The microbes might have loved Roshar for the Highstorms: all that Investiture in the air! Except they're also, y'know, storms, so there'll be water, which will just cause them to lose the Investiture again. Perhaps they'll like the Scadrian Mist more, if they can access it, it seems locked. I'm sure there are creative uses of Sand Mastery, but the other magic systems have effects that are less directly physical and more esoteric, which is not a toolkit that Sand Mastery seems to have. I think the Sand might've reacted a bit too explosively with Baon, at the end there, for instance, so that might hint at greater possibilities. We also see how creatively Kenton used a single Ribbon of sand. We don't really know how one is Initiated or by what mechanism Overmastery makes a Sand Master stronger, there might be more to find there. Perhaps other magics on Taldain *looks at Darkside* will have greater versatility. The Shifting Colors / Skycolors might have something, which Skathan might've unlocked. As for balancing, that's my point exactly! There's no need for balancing, balance is already shot with Elantrians in home turf and the Knights Radiant, if they can get spren off-world and use Connection hacking to use AonDor off-world... Instead of no Slatrification imposing a hard limit, a Sand Master having to maintain a balance between sand, water and Investiture for extended combat would've been more interesting imo. Anyway, I'm arguing the first, that Slatrification doesn't break Sand Mastery for me, it makes it more interesting. Besides, Soulcasters and Elantrians can already turn one thing into another, turning sand into water is just an even more... poetic expression of magic.

Again, Sand Mastery has a trifold limiter, Investiture, sand, water. On Taldain, it's the relative scarcity-err, no not scarcity, the Investiture is widely distributed, just at low intensity. Sand is almost everywhere on Dayside, and Sand Masters do keep some on their person for indoor emergencies, I suppose. And water. Go off-world and the amount of sand you have available on your person itself becomes the limiter. Also, Mastery dehydrates, just drinking water isn't going to instantly heal the Sand Master. Dehydration by itself is already a more powerful limiter than on any other magic system that we've seen. It's just a softer limit than the hard limits of, say, Allomancy: how much metal you have on you or Surgebinding, how much Light you have on you. Don't underestimate dehydration. Also, power leveling, really? Look at what the other magic systems can do: look at the Knights Radiant, the Elantrians. Can anyone really say, that even with Slatrification, Sand Masters are OP compared to them? Overmastery is nothing like, say saying the next Ideal, it does not provide instant level-up, and the boost that they get is... more ribbons of sand. Compare that to the Surges or Awakening or the Aons, they are very much lacking in versatility compared to other Invested Arts. In combat, drinking water is not going to solve your problems, you'll still be weak from dehydration. If you do Overmastery, that's it, you're out. You'll get a boost, later, if you survive your opponent now without access to Sand Mastery. How much sand can one carry on their person? How often can they afford to Slatrify and dwindle the amount of sand they have? We don't have the conversion rate, but really, with dehydration already as a problem, Sand Masters don't get any physical boosts, if anything they need to make sure they're in good shape to have good endurance if they want to be healthy with constant dehydration.

What do you all think of Brandon wanting to retcon Slatrification? Did you like/dislike Slatrification as an element of Sand Mastery? Do you agree that Slatrification needed to go from a narrative perspective? Personally, I think that Slatrification retcon was kinda unnecessary. I've seen people complain that Slatrification was game-breaking for Sand Mastery, which I completely disagree with: A) you need White Sand in the first place, away from the Dayside desert, a Sand Master will have to carry around White Sand in a gourd like a discount Gaara B ) the sand becomes inert after use and takes a while to recharge, with modern Investiture devices and/or just more abundant ambient Investiture this problem might be solved but that's another weakness and an opening C) Slatrification would've converted sand to water. If the Sand Master isn't in Dayside's Kerztian desert that just reduces the resources the Sand Master has at his disposal. One does not get instantly rehydrated by drinking water and trying to do that might in fact kill you D) Sand Mastery isn't very versatile tool compared to other Invested Arts users like Surgebinders or Mistborn, and seems to be on the higher end of required training. Every level of power breakthrough is physiologically expensive and requires even more training to integrate into combat I think there's sufficient cost to the magic without Slatrification It would've been really amazing to see a skilled Sand Master trying to balance out Sand Mastery's rotating handicaps of sand, water & Investiture in the future. Narratively, all it needed to be was a high enough level skill so as to be inaccessible to the protagonists, which it already was. Slatrification also seems thematically very appropriate for the setting. Having the power to convert sand into water in the desert, as well as using an opponent's Investiture as fuel (White Sand recharges from kinetic Investiture), when Taldain gets into space-faring era. Update: the retcon is now official. The edited version will be available in the omnibus.

Spren can also shape their essence into clothing, that's what Syl's dresses are, and Axies can shift his skin to form tattooes. I saw the similarities too, especially because the Honorspren corpses were initially mistaken for Natan corpses, so I thought that was a Siah Aimian corpse at first. Afterwards, I kinda dismissed the Siah Aimians = Honorspren idea offhand. Seeing this theory lay it out is making me reconsider...

Oo, solid Anti-Investiture sounds really intriguing Personally, I think Preservation and Ruin's Rhythm's are close to one another's Anti-Rhythms. Stormlight and Voidlight just don't interact with one another, Preservation and Ruin's Investiture were repelled by one another. Preservation and Ruin's Investiture do actually hurt one another, enough to be capable of killing the Vessels. .

It doesn't have to be a bloodline thing, that's not their only commonality: they were all Uniters, in a sense, by being conquerors.

We've already seen the gemstones in the spren's vaults (Lasting Integrity vaults), heard of it back in OB too (Celebrant trade), I think that answers that

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The entire Elendel Basin is to the south of Luthadel, and the temple was on the Seran Mnts, which would be the southeast

I legit snorted water Omg, lol, Lovecraftian monstrosity These are all goat Edit: I meant to say, these are all great. Sigh, even my auto-correct wanted to participate in the game

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