Long Game 77: A Political Trap

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Shara hesitated, a startled expression flitting across her face, but it was gone and replaced with a smile soon enough and Juno was left wondering if it had been a trick of the light. Probably not. Lotta folks were on edge these days. Anyone could be a part of the conspiracy, or so the coppers insisted.

2 hours ago, Biplet said:

"I am as well as I can be. What brings you here?"

"That's good to hear. The guards have been sorta, um, overly exuberant, lately." An understatement, that. One would think they'd go through your things before staging a public execution, not after. Almost enough to make a soul wonder if they were in on it with the rebs.

"What I'm here for? Why, the quality of your company, of course! There's only so much bickering you can do before it gets tiresome, and you seem like a sharp enough sort, for one of the folks from Elendel." Somebody I can deal with after the revolution blows over, she left unsaid. Nobody knew who would come out on top after the dust cleared, but it was plain as day that the here and now would be some kind of pivot in the republic's history. It would pay to have friends among the ranks of whoever won.

"Also I think I found one of the faceless immortals," she added in a conspiratorial whisper and a crooked grin. "Can you keep a secret?"

[Biplet she/her]

58 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

"Also I think I found one of the faceless immortals," she added in a conspiratorial whisper and a crooked grin. "Can you keep a secret?"

Shara raised an eyebrow. “The faceless immortals? Really?”

Shara didn’t much consider herself religious. Her mother had been a Survivorist and her father a non practicing one, but she’d drifted away from the church as she grew up. She wasn’t much a fan of the large ceremonies and whatnot. If she had to pick any religion, it would be the Path, because to her it made the most logical sense, but the faceless immortals? She’d never truly been able to reconcile herself to that.

Maybe Juno was full of it.

But if not…

The things she could learn if Juno was right. The questions she could ask. How many variations of personality would a Faceless Immortal have? How many lives had they lived? How well could they lie? If she could just spend a day with one… the possibilities were endless.

She just had to get out of this stupid cell that wasn’t a cell first. 

So, trust Juno. That was her best bet now. Obviously Iden had abandoned her, or was busy worrying about saving his own hide to think about trying to vouch for her. She needed an out, and here it was.

The corner of her mouth quirked up. “Tell me more.”

[StrikerEZ he/him]

@Ashbringer @Biplet @Szeth_Pancakes @Matrim's Dice @Araris Valerian @The Unknown Order @DrakeMarshall @Archer @Illwei @Devotary of Spontaneity @Dannex @Flyingbooks With just about 8.5 hours left in the turn, here’s your reminder to get your actions in before the turn ends!

[Flyingbooks]

I have AP tests coming up on Tuesday & Wednesday, so I'm not going to really be active until after that.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I meant to say something earlier, but today ended up being rather busy for me.

I'm a little disappointed that Biplet didn't claim Thug before the end of the day turn, so my suspicions aren't lessened any there.

I haven't really put any thought into the Kandra's abilities. But based on the feedback Ash and I gave last game, it likely has some sort of kill potential, as well as a single body swap, which would allow the original Kandra to communicate with the new Kandra player.

I'm also really curious as to who the elims will kill this cycle. We are running out of quieter players, so we might learn something from the NK. I hope someone can protect me, since I'm definitely a potential target.

As I said earlier, I'd encourage the thieves to target players they suspect of sending in night kills, since that gives decent odds of finding an elim.

Aside from Biplet, I think Mat/Drake is v/e, and while Mat is definitely a stronger suspicion, Drake could be elim, and I'm not entirely clearing him. I'm definitely sending in another kill tonight, so here's to hoping that the elims didn't buy the vest, and that they don't have a roleblock.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

2 hours ago, Biplet said:

The corner of her mouth quirked up. “Tell me more.”

It wasn't quite belief that she saw in Shara's eyes, but something had resonated. "Certainly." Juno smiled, and began speaking in the cadence of a practiced storyteller. "I believe they're real. See, it's well-known at least by those of us in the know that the meddling of one such being supposedly had a big role to play in the Republic's founding history... Not a gentle role. The way I hear it told from holy sorts of folks, these 'immortals' are s'posed to be guides and guardians and whatnot, but this one had a body count."

"Things've been moving pretty fast since Garmet went off the rails, so to speak. So I been asking myself, are we gonna see a repeat performance? Another immortal being meddling in our political affairs, or maybe even the same one? We don't really know much that's concrete about these creatures or their motives, yeah?"

"But we do know at least some stuff. They're called 'faceless' for a reason, see? They say the immortals can change faces to look like anyone they please, which is why they're just rusting difficult to find, and not for lack of anyone tryin. But they gotta hide in plain sight, and what with general the number of casualties racking up, I reckon that one of these 'faceless' is out hunting. Could be anyone. I mean, um, I don't think it could be you, no offense but I think you aren't subtle enough, but you get what I mean."

The faceless immortals were supposed to be elusive, not to mention, well, immortal. While impressive, if the faceless responded to dangerous situations merely by leaning on the the kind of unnatural brute force and persistence that Shara here had demonstrated, people would know about them. People would have caught them.

"Are you with me so far?"

Edited June 7, 2021 by DrakeMarshall

[Biplet she/her]

6 hours ago, DrakeMarshall said:

“Are you with me so far?"

Shara nodded. “So you’re saying you think one of our… partners in the meetings is actually a faceless immortal in disguise?” Shara neatly laced her fingers together. “Interesting.”

Part of her found it hard to believe. Actually, most of her found it hard to believe. A healthy dose of logical skepticism plus Juno’s… well… disposition made it seem more like a fantastic story rather than true fact.

She knew the stories, of course. Both survivorism, her childhood religion, and the path, the one she vaguely practiced now, cited stories of a faceless immortal involved in the early days of each religion’s inception. 

“I must admit, I find it hard to believe.”

As she said it, a bit of sunlight peaked through the window and into Shara’s cell that wasn’t a cell. She blinked. When had it gotten so late? Or… early, rather. She hadn’t, and though Shara was used to staying up all night, she needed her wits about her for whatever interrogation was to come. 

Perhaps Someone would give her a coffee, though she doubted the kindness would be extended to her in her predicament. Maybe she could rope Juno into getting her one. The girl seemed kind enough, and at least willing to get on Shara’s good side. 
 

“it looks like our time may be running short, but I think I could spare a little more if you’re willing to get me a coffee.” Shara cracked a grin.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Hey look turns out I woke up.

I didn't want to talk about the Kandra overly much last day turn since we had a vote to be working on. And imo there was little reason to bring it up before the end of the night turn either. But I have still been working on finding them, a bit.

So the upshot is I think it's Araris.

• The people Araris decided to kill aren't necessarily what I'd expect for a coinshot imo.
• It would be really, really weird if the Kandra had no kills. In LG66 they had a kill every other cycle, and if anything that wasn't enough. Others have already guessed that they would have one kill every night in this game, so where is that kill?
• Normally, I would not expect a Kandra to claim coinshot, but after books saw Araris make a kill, what choice would he have? The eliminators might target him more but he could at least ask the village for protection. The alternative was a certain execution after Books posted.
• What Illwei said about "I'm okay with being suspected but not for the wrong reasons." I could certainly imagine Kandra!Araris taking issue with being suspected of being an eliminator.
• My roles analysis bingo is going reasonably well and pretty much the only active people I think could still be Kandra are Ashbringer or Araris (which is a pretty funny coincidence considering that they were the kandras from LG66). And yes, this role analysis is far from all-knowing, but that is why I supplied a bunch of other reasons in addition to this one.

That is all.

Edited June 7, 2021 by DrakeMarshall

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Okay, the turn's over. No more posting or submitting actions until the next turn is up!

[StrikerEZ he/him]

After the mysterious disappearance of Lafay, Illwei had taken up the mantle of experimenting with hemalurgy. She'd found the ancient lore about it fascinating as a child, and had spent most of her adult life secretly wishing she could learn more about hemalurgy and its secrets. And that's when she found Lafay's notes.

Ignoring the fact that Lafay appeared to have traveled to other worlds, whatever that means, what Illwei was really interested in was all of the research Lafay had about hemalurgy. The fact that it requires Intent, the different attributes that certain metals steal. The possibility of stealing something from someone and keeping them alive. Granted, Lafay hadn't figure that one out, but Illwei figured it had to be possible.

With all of this knowledge at her disposal, Illwei began to carefully get the materials she needed to start making a spike collection. Getting the bronze wasn't that hard; she was a Seeker already, and she could ask her provider for just a solid piece that she'd shave herself. Not a big deal. Getting all the other spikes was the problem, especially with this rusting lockdown on the city. But, well, after a few days of digging around town and inconspicuously asking for bits of old metal, Illwei finally had a solid collection of spikes gathered together. Now she just had to find out-

There was a loud bang from her window. Illwei jumped, grabbing one of the spikes from the table and spinning around, eyes wide with fear. She glanced at the window to her apartment and found a man there, hiding in the shadows. He charged at her, brandishing a knife, and Illwei went to try stab him with the spike. The man dodged out of the way, cutting his knife towards Illwei's side, cutting a deep gash there. Illwei gasped, shocked as she tried to turn and reach for more spikes, anything to use against her attacker. As she turned towards the table though, the spikes flew off the table, towards her. Several of them stabbed her, and she realized that the man had managed to grab one out of the air as it had flown past him.

I should've known he was a lurcher, Illwei thought to herself, her breathing ragged and the pain sharp in her side. I should've burned bronze, I should've...should've....

Illwei's life faded away.

~

Illwei has been killed! They were a Loyalist Seeker Misting and Hemalurgist!

PMs are still closed, so please avoid PMing still. In addition, there will be a removal this turn. As a reminder, there is no vote minimum, and a tied vote will result in one of the tied players being removed.

This turn will end at 9 am CDT on Wednesday, June 9th. 

Also, again, the writeups aren't always accurate to what happens with the game, just thought this would be a fun idea.

Player List:

Spoiler

1. @Ashbringer
2. @Biplet - Shara, advisor to a representative of the third Octant, Iden. 
3. @Szeth_Pancakes - Earl Euphemie, a journalist from the Elendel Daily, definitely not a highly trained assassin.
4. @Matrim's Dice - Philico, here to steal Faleast's Kandra thunder.
5. Lotus - Josephine, definitely not out of her league. Rebel Pulser/Pinnacle Twinborn
6. @Araris Valerian - Sweeper, a lowly cleaner of the political chamber building.
7. @The Unknown Order - Walker, who...walks. Yeah.
8. @DrakeMarshall - Juno, member of the Board of Somethingorother, and an enthusiastic protestor.
9. Jondesu - Myra, not witty or even particularly bright, but she’s honest. Loyalist Rioter Misting
10. @Archer - The Great Panini, wealthy patron of the arts and amateur ventriloquist, accompanied by Bagel.
11. Illwei Loyalist Seeker Misting and Hemalurgist
12. Experience - Zara, questionably loyal, but in extreme ways. Loyalist Tineye Misting and Investigator
13. @Devotary of Spontaneity - Magrait, an amalgamation of Adomert and Inedze through their stored memories from a coppermind.
14. Azmine_king Loyalist Hazekiller
15. Mist - Lumen, a secretary who's trying her best and wants to bring justice to whoever needs it. Loyalist Leecher/Soulbearer Twinborn
16. |TJ| Loyalist Lurcher/Trueself Twinborn
17. manukos - Bill, Bill Door. Probably shaped like a triangle. Loyalist Augur/Connector Twinborn
18. @Dannex
19. @Flyingbooks - Veren, assistant to the Elendel representatives, playing both sides to get the nobility less influence in politics.

PMs will be sent out as soon as possible, if they haven't been already.

Edited June 7, 2021 by StrikerEZ

[Mat he/him]

Not sure where to go today, honestly :P. I'm still comfortable with Szeth (who's strangely dropped off the game at this point) and I guess Araris, after what Drake said? Idk I'll defer to whoever else makes the best argument lol

Mat, Drake, Archer, Books, Dannex, Ash, Araris, Devo, Biplet, TUO, Szeth I guess is where I'm at

Edited June 7, 2021 by Matrim's Dice

[Biplet she/her]

Hey Araris was that your kill or were you RB’d. If it was you that means one of the elims probably got roleblocked and we can narrow down an elim from that.

Anyway I’m still sus of TUO because he’s been online but not in thread and I know I keep saying this but I’ve played multiple games that were won by elims due to village inactivity in the end, because lack of votes/participation meant the elims could basically ignore the exe. Village or not, we need to root out some inactives because in the end it’ll hurt us more IMO. If anyone has other ideas I’m open to them tho.

I’m inclined to agree with Drake’s theory. At the very least, it makes way more sense than my crazy crack theory that the kandra is also simultaneously an elim. Though part of me wants to be right just so I can say I solved Striker’s insanity .

@Szeth_Pancakes return to us dear friend.

Who else have we not heard much from? Ash, dannex… anyway I’m nervous an elim or kandra is hiding in the people who haven’t been around and we’re all running around like chickens with our heads cut off exeing villagers while the elims laugh on the sidelines.

Edited June 7, 2021 by Biplet
Typo

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Walker popped a bead in his mouth. He no longer neaded water to swallow. 

The people were so varied. What had once been consigned to one Dominance was now bunched together, Western, Eastern, Central, it was all there. Society has progressed so far. Perhaps those... thieves had been right to overthrow the Lord Ruler. But they released Ruin and caused chaos. That could not be excused

Stopping at a side shop to grab something to eat, he tapped steel and flew into the sky up onto a building. He unwrapped the cake and began eating. Between mouthfulls he said, "Now that's one thing that has without a doubt improved: Food." 

He heard a thump behind him. He tapped tin. Unfortunately, that allowed him to hear the sound of a knife sliding out of its sheath. Walker tapped pewter as he flipped backwards, but he miscalculated and landed with his back to his opponent. Walker whirled around, knife in hand. Their knife met his; he paused momentarily to look at it. A mistborn's knife. Impossible thought Watcher as they clashed back and forth. "Who are you?" The mask contorted and Walker was thrown back by a push. The man stayed silent.

[Biplet she/her]

SPEAK OF THE DEVIL

[Mat he/him]

Yeah, TUO at this point you've promised reads and suspicions. Anything other than RP for us?

I might go there, but first... @DrakeMarshall, what do you think we should do about Araris?

Edited June 7, 2021 by Matrim's Dice

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I sent in a kill, but my action failed. I think I’m kinda useless by this point, since it appears that the elims have a roleblock.

Edit: I read the Kandra stuff, and you can believe me that Kandra!Araris would have made quite different kills.

Edited June 7, 2021 by Araris Valerian

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Will be back to post more in like a half hour but for now:

3 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

@DrakeMarshall, what do you think we should do about Araris?

My recommendation is that we do nothing about it for now and carry on trying to execute elims.

Right now the Kandra should be on the village's side, bc if the elims outnumber the village it's an automatic loss for the Kandra. If the Kandra knows whats good for them they should very probably be trying to help the village exe elims, at least for now.

Also, as long as the eliminators are still roleblocking Araris it isn't really a priority if he is a Kandra. I kinda figured the elims would try to do something to deal with Araris last night, which might be a part of why I didn't make my post before the end of the night. Better if we don't have to use an exe for it. A roleblock is more cautious than the alternative, but it also reveals that they have a roleblock, which is absolutely information that I will make use of.

Assuming that Araris is telling the truth about the roleblock, and I can't think of an obvious reason to lie about that, it could either be due to a Firesoul or a Leecher. Firesoul however is much less likely, since it would be much easier to proactively target Araris knowing that he was going to make a kill. So in the very least anyone with allomancy can probably be ruled out. I will think a bit more about who it could be when I get back, since it seems very likely that whoever it is be Evil.

Edit: I would appreciate it if somebody posted 

Edited June 7, 2021 by DrakeMarshall

[Biplet she/her]

2 hours ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Edit: I would appreciate it if somebody posted

I gotchu

---

She'd survived.

As the sun rose higher and higher, all Shara could think about was that she had lived through the night.

Now she just had to survive the day.

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Iden paced in his bedroom, occasionally stopping to read another few lines of Shara's notes. He had them spread over her now abandoned bed. She had a page on every person at the meetings, with a neat line through the names of all those who had died. At the top of each page, there was a summary.

Juno: loud, boisterous, gets what she wants.

Philico: thief. Confusing, up to something. Keep an eye on him

Sweeper: Quiet, always nearby. Is he listening? *Apparently he is a coinshot. Will investigate

It went on and on, and at the bottom.

Iden

He hadn't let himself read the words yet. Every time his eyes glanced over his sheet, he paused and then continued pacing. Survivor help him, why in the world did Shara have an analysis paper on him? His heart pounded to think of what she could have written, noticed, could be telling the guards now. Lying to the guards now.

Iden scowled. He had to know what that damned sheet said, hesitation or not.

In two long strides, he was back at her bed, peering down at his own name

Iden: Somewhat observative, charming--Iden smiled--though a bit dull--he frowned.

He read through the lines. Nothing stood out, just details on his personality, who he talked with, what could link him to others. He was about to move on, his anxiety assuaged when something caught his eye.

Delegates all work to me, never does his own. I am essentially the representative of the Third Octant.

Easy to manipulate.

Edited June 7, 2021 by Biplet

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

7 minutes ago, Biplet said:

I gotchu

Thanks 

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“it looks like our time may be running short, but I think I could spare a little more if you’re willing to get me a coffee.” Shara cracked a grin.

Shara seemed a bit skeptical, but then it was a bit of a conspiracy theory. There were a lot of those, where the faceless immortals were concerned. But couldn't all be bogus, yeah? She paid good money to get some details off of this contact in Elendel, and it was a bunch of lies she'd be having some serious words with him later.

"Coffee? Sure, I can probably rustle something up. Harmony knows none of us've been sleeping well enough of late. Too much goin on."

Juno wandered away, leaving the untouched plate of food and journal on the floor.
With any luck, somebody would be brewing some of the stuff in the main council chamber. These days some of the councilpersons were practically living there, and the city outside wasn't doing too hot, what with the people starting to riot.

Sure enough, some considerate soul had set up a pot of coffee on one of the tables. Juno poured it out in two dented cups, throwing several sugar cubes in her own. Probably shoulda asked Shara how she took her coffee but whatever, Juno would just remember the way Shara had gotten it in the tavern the other night and prepare it in roughly the same way. She waved to a few of the other early starters in the council room on her way back to Shara's cubicle.

"This good?"
She held out Shara's cup.

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Alright, I think the surviving eliminator team consists of 3 of these 4 people: Ashbringer, Unknown Order, Archer, Devotary.

I have more village vibes from basically everyone else so this is largely a process of elimination. Except maybe Dannex, I don't have village vibes from Dannex, they just don't seem to be posting much? Idk what's going on there bc I think they have been online on the shard. Bip has moved up to more of a trust read mainly bc I don't get the vibe that they are the kind of mindgamey player who would suggest 3 elims + thug as the elim!thug.

And I also think there is distance between the people I listed. People tend to think distancing means voting or sussing a teammate but imo it more often takes the form of just sort of not addressing a teammate in the thread at all. And I also think that (Devotary excepted) one of those people is the Leecher, for what that's worth.

So yeah, I think I would agree with exing any of those 4 people.

@Matrim's Dice already said they wanted to vote for Unknown Order so in the interest of having a vote that succeeds I will support that vote, even though I think it is one of the weaker options from my list.

Edited June 7, 2021 by DrakeMarshall
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[Araris Valerian he/him]

I’ve changed my mind about Drake, I don’t really think there’s any way he’s elim at this point (unless Drake/Mat/Bip is the team). I think I agree with his list, except I would add Matrim and Biplet to the list, since I don’t think I have any reason to trust them. I don’t mind killing TUO, but I’m going to vote for Archer, who I attempted to kill last night. I think the kill on Illwei means that there are one or more lurking elim players, so the elims were forced to go for a higher activity kill, or risk having all the quiet folks left be elims. Illwei was also pretty much cleared as village, so it makes sense.

I will challenge @The Unknown Order to give some reads and a vote this turn, since the game is getting rather close to ending.

[Mat he/him]

I’ll vote TUO as well, I still don’t have a reason to distrust Archer.

[Archer he/him]

42 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

I’ve changed my mind about Drake, I don’t really think there’s any way he’s elim at this point (unless Drake/Mat/Bip is the team). I think I agree with his list, except I would add Matrim and Biplet to the list, since I don’t think I have any reason to trust them. I don’t mind killing TUO, but I’m going to vote for Archer, who I attempted to kill last night. I think the kill on Illwei means that there are one or more lurking elim players, so the elims were forced to go for a higher activity kill, or risk having all the quiet folks left be elims. Illwei was also pretty much cleared as village, so it makes sense.

I will challenge @The Unknown Order to give some reads and a vote this turn, since the game is getting rather close to ending.

Ah ha, your stab is wasted for I started preparing this post before you posted it! And I'm too lazy to bother changing it!

30 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I still don’t have a reason to distrust Archer.

that's your elim tell, Mat :P.

*

Crazy, wild theory I don’t for a minute believe! Araris is an elim-aligned kandra who killed Lotus for village cred. Lotus, knowing they would be slain, intentionally stayed tight lipped and only RPed and joked about.

More realistically, elim aligned kandra Araris wouldn’t have killed his teammate. So I trust them entirely.

Books did that thing where they tried to out Araris, which is an ill conceived elim plan (they could just kill the coinshot instead), so I trust them.

Drake bought a vest, which, being the only guy who really had a chance of getting the lerasium spike, doesn’t make much sense for a trusted elim to do. Plus they’ve been kinda helpful this game. So they’re village to me. I was going to give them a hard time for not having died yet, but I’ll put that criticism off now because it’s paranoid tinfoil.

Drake, do you know anything about people who haven’t claimed their roles yet? Just answer yes or no please, it may be helpful if we decide to look into roleclaiming. With what the elims know of their teammates, assuming a few of them haven’t claimed yet, they know more than we do right now, and can make educated guesses about who our lurcher is. Sidenote: lurcher, if you claim, I’ll treat ya as conf town. But anyway, roleclaiming to figure out who the roleblocker is by process of elimination could be helpful. And maybe the kandra, who lacks powers? Thoughts, people who have yet to claim their allomantic abilities?

Szeth’s reaction to Flyingbooks’ revelation was to aggressively go after Araris. I don’t think an elim would jump on a train they knew would dissolve easily. Gut village there.

Dannex and Ash are MIA, and I don’t remember enough of their early-game play to justify a quick read on them. Nulls. TUO just showed up, but they didn’t say anything substantive, so also null. Those three could be the whole elim team, but I doubt it.

That leaves Devo, Mat, and Biplet. Devo and Mat aren’t e/e because they have the same role. Of the two, I’m leaning towards Mat being eviler. This line has been sticking in my mind as possibly being cover for their having done something else/ a touch of elim paranoia.

I tried to steal boxings from you N1 and when I was informed I couldn’t opted to not do anything because I didn’t think anyone had items and wanted to avoid getting scanned trying.

I hesitate to say there must be an active elim, because after Jondesu, I think all the elim kills have been logical: villager with special information, confirmed villager based on their kill. But there probably is, and they’ll be easier to identify than those hiding among the nulls. Mat’s flip tells us about Devo. I think mat and Bip are e/e, but if Mat flips village, I’ll be certain Bip is evil, by process of elimination.

Miscellaneous theories:

-Thieves can steal items *cough Vests*, so the elims got one to balance that item out after last game’s trouble with those

-Besides having targeted Araris being AI, the elims having a roleblocker makes sense because we had the hazekiller who could do that. But we both have access to steel traps so it’s not that necessary.

[Mat he/him]

59 minutes ago, Archer said:

that's your elim tell, Mat :P.

No it’s not :P. Just because I typically suspect you doesn’t mean I’m automatically evil when I trust you- if it did, I’d need to actively go out of my way to sus you as village and vice versa which wouldn’t be fun for anyone, so no. I trust you, deal with it  

 

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

17 minutes ago, Archer said:

Araris is an elim-aligned kandra

FYI, Kandra is an alignment.

It is probably also a role, but that is just a reasonable deduction based on the setup. Whereas the fact that Kandra is an alignment in the game and that this alignment wins if everyone else loses is something that is explicit in the rules.

21 minutes ago, Archer said:

I was going to give them a hard time for not having died yet, but I’ll put that criticism off now because it’s paranoid tinfoil.

You have my sincere apologies for not dying 

It's a valid concern, though. I am surprised nobody else has voiced it yet.

22 minutes ago, Archer said:

Drake, do you know anything about people who haven’t claimed their roles yet? Just answer yes or no please, it may be helpful if we decide to look into roleclaiming. With what the elims know of their teammates, assuming a few of them haven’t claimed yet, they know more than we do right now, and can make educated guesses about who our lurcher is. Sidenote: lurcher, if you claim, I’ll treat ya as conf town. But anyway, roleclaiming to figure out who the roleblocker is by process of elimination could be helpful. And maybe the kandra, who lacks powers? Thoughts, people who have yet to claim their allomantic abilities?

I have already stated that my archivist abilities have shown me a few random player's roles or partial roles, so the answer to your question is "yes."

Setting aside for a moment the risks of asking a Lurcher to claim, it is interesting that you would assume there is a second Lurcher, and that they are probably village. I will not confirm or deny if this is true, but I will note that the eliminator team seems to share your exact assumption, since Araris isn't dead. I find this to be a bit suspect.

46 minutes ago, Archer said:

Mat’s flip tells us about Devo. I think mat and Bip are e/e, but if Mat flips village, I’ll be certain Bip is evil, by process of elimination.

I am also a bit suspicious of voting on somebody to learn somebody else's alignment. It just.. tends to be a pretty easy reason to give, and I feel like people who give that reason later on in a game have an alarming tendency to be evil.

Also if you think Mat and Bip are E/E, but you also think Bip is evil if Mat isn't, doesn't that mean you are very sure Bip is evil either way? Why are you voting for Mat and not Bip? Idk I kinda feel like that's a thing a villager would be more likely to notice in their analysis and acknowledge.

[Archer he/him]

12 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

No it’s not :P. Just because I typically suspect you doesn’t mean I’m automatically evil when I trust you- if it did, I’d need to actively go out of my way to sus you as village and vice versa which wouldn’t be fun for anyone, so no. I trust you, deal with it  

I know. But you've really stuck with your village read of me, while others haven't. My playstyle has changed in this game, because of work and hockey, but I'm surprised you haven't seized on it yet thinking it's an evil strategy. 

11 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

FYI, Kandra is an alignment.

It is probably also a role, but that is just a reasonable deduction based on the setup. Whereas the fact that Kandra is an alignment in the game and that this alignment wins if everyone else loses is something that is explicit in the rules.

You have my sincere apologies for not dying 

It's a valid concern, though. I am surprised nobody else has voiced it yet.

I have already stated that my archivist abilities have shown me a few random player's roles or partial roles, so the answer to your question is "yes."

Setting aside for a moment the risks of asking a Lurcher to claim, it is interesting that you would assume there is a second Lurcher, and that they are probably village. I will not confirm or deny if this is true, but I will note that the eliminator team seems to share your exact assumption, since Araris isn't dead. I find this to be a bit suspect.

I am also a bit suspicious of voting on somebody to learn somebody else's alignment. It just.. tends to be a pretty easy reason to give, and I feel like people who give that reason later on in a game have an alarming tendency to be evil.

Also if you think Mat and Bip are E/E, but you also think Bip is evil if Mat isn't, doesn't that mean you are very sure Bip is evil either way? Why are you voting for Mat and not Bip? Idk I kinda feel like that's a thing a villager would be more likely to notice in their analysis and acknowledge.

Kandra is an alignment I don't believe is an evil alignment. I've seen no reason to believe they're a threat in this game, so so long as I know the individual isn't an elim, they're fine by me. I'm assuming the role and alignment are the same. And the person is just a kandra, not anything else. They probably have an ability, but it's probably not allomantic or feruchemical based. 

Lurcher is the protection one, right? Did I miss a claim? Because I'd guessed they was one Lurcher and they were village. The elims don't need to assume much, they just have to look at the list and cross off the ones they have among them. I'm thinking most roles exist in the game, probably only once, except in the case of the Thief. 

I think we have a pool of three people with at least one elim in it. I'm slightly less confident but still believe the Thieves have one elim among them. If I'm off about Biplet, that tells us less than if I'm off about Mat, which definitely leads to Devo. I wish the tie had flipped the other way, but in fairness, I was more up in the air about Mat last Day. 

For the record, I'm down to roleclaim if it will help significantly narrow the pool of suspects, either by eliminating the lurcher and kandra from the suspect list, or getting a decent idea of who the roleblocker is.