Long Game 77: A Political Trap

[StrikerEZ he/him]

9 minutes ago, Biplet said:

@StrikerEZ would we be able to tell a difference between a ferring vote cancellation and a soother? ie the ferrings name wouldn't show up at all on the votes?

There is no noticeable difference in the writeup between a vote being cancelled via Soothing vs storing in one of the metals that cancels votes.

[Illwei]

50 minutes ago, Biplet said:

Illwei, you have a lot of good thoughts early on. Welcome to the game! Since a lot of my suspicion was directly Ventyl-based, not sure what I'm going to do now. Can you give me a reason to suspect you? Jk lol. With your claim of hemalurgist, I can't imagine you're an elim. I'm still thinking kandra a little, but I'm not sure.

I gotta be honest, mate

I still haven't read the rules :P>

[Biplet she/her]

7 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I gotta be honest, mate

I still haven't read the rules :P>

Hahahaha good luck

[Illwei]

6 minutes ago, Biplet said:

Hahahaha good luck

I

I don't want to read the rules

hm

[Araris Valerian he/him]

2 hours ago, Illwei said:

Elim - Araris

Illwei, I'll have you know that I have the greatest possible respect for you as a player, and that if I get the means this game, I'll make sure to demonstrate it.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

2 hours ago, Illwei said:

Him being very open about contents of PMs, and the overall feel of the posts lean Elim. Him giving the quick village read isn't something that Elims would want to do, so that leans village for giving it, unless it's a bad attempt at clearing a teammate.

I suppose. Sharing the contents of PMs is certainly contrary to the whole 'aura of mystique' thing I was going for, but I hadn't really thought of it as an alignment thing.

1 hour ago, Biplet said:

Okay, N2 thoughts:

I'm leaning toward soother, because it seems like there was less vote manip this time around. It could be possible that a ferring was storing on D1 and, in order to make it not obvious, they voted despite knowing their vote would be cancelled. @StrikerEZ would we be able to tell a difference between a ferring vote cancellation and a soother? ie the ferrings name wouldn't show up at all on the votes?

Could possibly be explained by Ventyl asking for a pinch hitter XD. I know I was #1 on the "let's exe Ventyl" train but I think he seemed less involved for whatever reason he ended up needing a replacement.

I'm inclined to believe this based on Ventyl's chaos and the joking blackmail.

Why?

Okay, so, not liking manu or TUO currently for continuing to not vote. Voting is our one big power as village and lets us put pressure on the elims. It can force them out in the open to defend teammates, too. Maybe TUO or manu is the coinshot and thinks that is more useful than voting but like... why not both? (Okay also if either of you two are the coinshot don't claim. I know that's been said a million times over but yeah). Basically, bad vibes from not voting and taking a backseat.

Illwei, you have a lot of good thoughts early on. Welcome to the game! Since a lot of my suspicion was directly Ventyl-based, not sure what I'm going to do now. Can you give me a reason to suspect you? Jk lol. With your claim of hemalurgist, I can't imagine you're an elim. I'm still thinking kandra a little, but I'm not sure.

Out of curiosity, why are you learning towards it being a soother? Not that it matters overly much, but my thought process is sorta that there's already a rioter dead which is a fairly similar role, and that there are several distinct possibilities for ferrings that do this, none of which seem individually any less likely than there being a soother. So I'm a bit surprised at this.

I don't think there's any reason to disbelieve that Ventyl/Illwei had a kill ability of some kind and killed Azmine, so yeah, that part of the claim definitely makes sense. I'm not completely decided on the rest of it.

Unsure what to make of stating that suspicion was "directly Ventyl-based". In a weird way it feels like a villagery thing, like with most elims not wanting to admit that they were voting for reasons that might be other than catching elims. But also feels like wanting a safe vote, like Ventyl was in part a good sidewagony gig bc they clearly didn't mind you voting on them, but that is probably no longer the case with a new person at the reins. So idk.

1 hour ago, Biplet said:

Hahahaha good luck

This tbh

[Biplet she/her]

14 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Out of curiosity, why are you learning towards it being a soother? Not that it matters overly much, but my thought process is sorta that there's already a rioter dead which is a fairly similar role, and that there are several distinct possibilities for ferrings that do this

My thought process is kinda we have a lot of people that didn’t vote, and not many people voted on me in the first place, so I feel like the likelihood of one of the four people that voted on me was storing D2 and a ferring that gets their vote cancelled is unlikely. I know that’s a bit of a reach but I’m trying to reason what the vote manip could be now that we’ve lost a rioter. 

 

edit: someone post I forgot to say something and it needs a quote that I can’t edit in lol

Edited June 4, 2021 by Biplet

[Illwei]

1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said:

Illwei, I'll have you know that I have the greatest possible respect for you as a player, and that if I get the means this game, I'll make sure to demonstrate it.

Wow, I'm honored, but since i think you have the means right now, slightly worried :P. 

[StrikerEZ he/him]

@Ashbringer @Biplet @Szeth_Pancakes @Matrim's Dice @Araris Valerian @The Unknown Order @DrakeMarshall @Archer @Illwei @Devotary of Spontaneity @Mist @manukos @Dannex @Flyingbooks Here is your about 11.5 hours left reminder to get all your actions in before the turn is over!

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

5 hours ago, Biplet said:

TUO currently for continuing to not vote.

First of all, I have had only had one day to vote in because I can't come on on weekends and holidays, second of all, I hadn't read the thread yet, so I did not have any reads, and third of all, I rarely form reads or vote until very late game, it just is not my playstyle.

Also, yay, now I have three reads, two of which are gut. 

The first is a slight vil read. That read is on Matrim's Dice. That is mostly gut, but other than that, he also seems to be contributing. The second read is on Manukos. I am currently reading them as very slight elim. That is a pure gut read though. The last one is on Biplet for the above post. They are probably my strongest elim read right now. My final read is on myself. As you can guess, the I have a complete and never ending village read on my own self.

I am feeling a sense of oddness about Illwei because they just came right out of the gate with the Hemalurgist claim. It is not elim odd though, so they only get an honorable notice as of yet.

Edited June 4, 2021 by The Unknown Order

[Mat he/him]

6 minutes ago, The Unknown Order said:

I rarely form reads or vote very late game, it just is not my play style.

It's... early game? :P.

7 minutes ago, The Unknown Order said:

The first is a slight vil read. That read is on Matrim's Dice. That is mostly gut, but other than that, he also seems to be contributing. The second read is on Manukos. I am currently reading them as very slight elim. That is pure gut though. The last one is on Biplet for the above post. They are probably my strongest read right now. My final read is on myself. As you can guess, the read is very village.

Why me, over like Drake who also is contributing as much as/more than me? For Biplet... which read, you didn't say :P. Like, I can guess but also you didn't actually say.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

2 hours ago, Biplet said:

My thought process is kinda we have a lot of people that didn’t vote, and not many people voted on me in the first place, so I feel like the likelihood of one of the four people that voted on me was storing D2 and a ferring that gets their vote cancelled is unlikely. I know that’s a bit of a reach but I’m trying to reason what the vote manip could be now that we’ve lost a rioter. 

 

edit: someone post I forgot to say something and it needs a quote that I can’t edit in lol

Hmm..

Yeah actually, I think you're right, the vote manip that happened today is probably a Soother. You're reasoning is sound, especially because the only person who voted for Biplet who could possibly be a ferring of one of those types is Mist.

There was also two vote manips that happened on D1, so I don't think it's off base to assume at least one of those ones was from a ferring, though.

Quote

First of all, I have had only had one cycle to vote in, second of all, I had not read the thread yet, so I did not have any reads, and third of all, I rarely form reads or vote very late game, it just is not my play style.

Also, yay, now I have three reads, two of which are gut. 

The first is a slight vil read. That read is on Matrim's Dice. That is mostly gut, but other than that, he also seems to be contributing. The second read is on Manukos. I am currently reading them as very slight elim. That is pure gut though. The last one is on Biplet for the above post. They are probably my strongest read right now. My final read is on myself. As you can guess, the read is very village.

I am feeling a sense of oddness about Illwei because they just came right out of the gate with the Hemalurgist claim. It is not elim odd though, so they only get an honorable notice as of yet.

Do you mean you don't do votes very late in the game or very early in the game?

Also if Biplet is your strongest read do we get to know if it's elim or village read? 

Oh look, Matrim's Dice just asked you the exact same two questions whoops.

Anyways as always your sharing of reads is appreciated.

Personally I don't put you and manukos in quite the same category of people who decline to vote, and part of that is for the thing you said, which is that you weren't even online D1.

2 hours ago, Illwei said:

Wow, I'm honored, but since i think you have the means right now, slightly worried :P. 

And if this isn't IKYK bait I don't know what is 

But hey if you die at least I will have an excuse to continue distancing myself from Araris with votes so really everything is going according to plan 

Edited June 4, 2021 by DrakeMarshall

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

It's... early game? :P.

Why me, over like Drake who also is contributing as much as/more than me? For Biplet... which read, you didn't say :P. Like, I can guess but also you didn't actually say.

This phone is pretty old and has trouble with the copy and paste function. The missing words are until and elim.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

1 hour ago, The Unknown Order said:

I rarely form reads or vote until very late game, it just is not my playstyle.

I hope you don't mind me asking, if you rarely form reads or vote, what exactly do you do? Those are kind of the only things to do in these games (although this one has lots of crazy role stuff)

[Mist she/her]

Ashbringer: somewhere sus 

Biplet: somewhere sus 

Szeth_Pancakes: ... Good question slight vill I guess? But also not sure

Matrim's Dice: ... Hm not sure

Araris Valerian: slight vill

The Unknown Order: slight sus

DrakeMarshall: slight vill

Archer: somewhere vill

Ventyl -> Illwei: slight vill

Devotary of Spontaneity: null

Mist: village read. No duh. I mean what more do you want? reads lists might be good though.

manukos: slight sus, just confusion 

Dannex: pretty null. Also hello do you exist? They PMed me, they've been talking in the QF, but haven't spoken for I think one cycle (could be a turn) in this game.

Flyingbooks: null

Also I may or may not be able to get on tomorrow after rollover, but I'll be unable to get online Friday morning to Sunday sometime I think after rollover. But I'll try to submit a vote and stuff like that

Edit: reasoning for unlisted ones I remember them, I took a look at TJ's list too.

TUO: I think they ...ohhhh gah I'm bad at remembering people sometimes. Do stuff please thanks.

Edited June 4, 2021 by Mist

[Biplet she/her]

1 hour ago, The Unknown Order said:

I rarely form reads or vote until very late game, it just is not my playstyle.

I understand it's your playstyle, but I feel like not voting just actively hurts the village. However I can't see an elim admitting that they don't vote as a playstyle, so yeah I'm reading you more positively now ig.

[Flyingbooks]

 

Veren sipped carefully at their hot tea at a corner booth in the tavern as they spread their notes and some police drawings of the murdered peoples’ bodies over the table. The injuries of two of the three seemed to be caused by spikes dealing vital blows. This could only mean one thing: hemalurgists. They probably weren’t rebels, since one of the victims turned out to be a rebel after their personal items had been investigated posthumously, so the others here didn’t really care about investigating any of the murders other than the one presumably done by rebels, especially since this small town wouldn't have too many Hemalurgical-grade spikes for the Hemalurgist(s) to restock with. Veren, however, was not too worried about the rebels but hated Hemalurgy on principle. This was why, once again, Veren was awake late into the night, but this time they had some crimes of their own to solve. They were no detective, but as everyone with more experience in investigation was focusing on finding the rebels, they would have to try to figure this case out themselves. Veren thought, somewhat morbidly, all the executions and murders going on would be helpful in increasing the likelihood of a Hemalurgist being caught.

 

 

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

11 hours ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Actually, you know what, no. I've thought about it, and I refuse to accept that claim.

There is basically no gain from claiming this as a village, and what's more you claimed to be a Hemalurgist who killed the one person that wouldn't have put a new spike on the market. And you don't even have to really explain why you killed Azmine bc that was Ventyl so who knows.

I'm sorry, but that's just too storming convenient  Any eliminator or kandra could make the same claim and likely go unchallenged, bc even if another person claims vig we really have no idea if it was vig+kandra+elims or vig+vig+elims killing last night.

If the elims not including Ventyl killed Azmine, they would be able to mark Illwei as a probable Kandra, which I can't see as being helpful for her on the absence of PMs, or a villager telling a lie without provocation. If Ventyl was an elim who killed Azmine, then whoever killed Jondesu would know that Illwei is evil unless weird redirections happened without anyone's knowledge. The former isn't quite as damaging for Illwei, but I don't see why any of these scenarios are good for them.

[manukos he/him]

hmmmm i was hoping to keep it to myself until tomorrow but.... i guess ill come out and say it in case i am killed

i burnt gold during the morning and found out that a player targeted me last night
no clue with what tho but by process of elimination he is (lurcher , seeker , smoker, slider, pulser, nocoburst)
Should i tell y'all who it was ?
cos i might be outing the role of a villager and putting a target on their back
 

[StrikerEZ he/him]

And that's the turn! Please stop posting/PMing while we get the next one ready!

[StrikerEZ he/him]

It was a cold and dreary night as Lumen walked through the streets of Garmet. The chill sent shivers down her spine, and she pulled her coat closer around her. The latest murders were still weighing on her mind, not to mention that she was frustrated with the lack of progress the politicians of Elendel and Garmet were making. This was supposed to be a grand event, where people came together to figure out how to make things better and to bring justice to those who needed it. But now it was just them constantly squabbling over what to do about the rebels, whether they should leave, or any other trivial matter they could think of. 

Lumen almost missed the footsteps that started up behind her, since she was lost in her thoughts. She quickly spun around, reaching for her knife and dodging as her attacker swung their knife at her. She quickly started burning chromium, reaching to try and touch her attacker.

Thank Harmony, she thought to herself quickly, that I hadn't already burned that bit for the night yet.

Once she managed to get her hand on the attacker, she tapped her nicrosilminds, pulling as much stored up strength in leeching as she possibly could, and she burned. Her attacker swept her hand away, seemingly unfazed by the leeching. In her moment of shock, the attacker got a knife into her gut, then kicked her to the ground. Lumen could hardly believe what had happened before she faded away.

~

Bill Door didn't feel like he belonged in this reality. He kept that secret from most people, or at least he tried to. It was hard when he had visions of strange shapes and weird creatures, unlike anything he'd ever heard of on Scadrial, or in the cosmere in general. But, well, what could he do about it?

It was during one of these visions that he heard the door to his apartment creak open. His eyes snapped open, but it took him a moment to be able to see again, the vision slowly fading from his eyes. But that was just enough time for his attacker to get the upper hand, knocking him to the ground. The attacker started stabbing him, but he hardly felt it.

Odd, Bill thought to himself. I should feel that more, right?

The attacker was giving Bill a strange look, as if even they were surprised by how easy it had been to take down Bill. Bill started laughing, a little blood coming out of his mouth as he did so, and he burned gold, bringing on another vision. He felt like he became a triangle-shaped figure, floating and glowing with a strange power. If only that was what he was in this incarnation of his life, he could quickly change this world to his very whim.

As his life began to fade away, Bill thought to himself, Oh well, I can always bring weirdmaggedon to another world. 

~

Mist has been killed! They were a Loyalist Leecher/Soulbearer Twinborn!
Manukos has been killed! They were a Loyalist Augur/Connector Twinborn!

PMs are still closed, so once again, no PMing.

There will be a removal this turn. As a reminder, there is no vote minimum, and a tied vote will result in one of the tied players being removed.

This turn will end at 9 am CDT on Sunday, June 6th.

Player List:

Spoiler

1. @Ashbringer
2. @Biplet - Shara, advisor to a representative of the third Octant, Iden. 
3. @Szeth_Pancakes - Earl Euphemie, a journalist from the Elendel Daily, definitely not a highly trained assassin.
4. @Matrim's Dice - Philico, here to steal Faleast's Kandra thunder.
5. Lotus - Josephine, definitely not out of her league. Rebel Pulser/Pinnacle Twinborn
6. @Araris Valerian - Sweeper, a lowly cleaner of the political chamber building.
7. @The Unknown Order - Walker, who...walks. Yeah.
8. @DrakeMarshall - Juno, member of the Board of Somethingorother, and an enthusiastic protestor.
9. Jondesu - Myra, not witty or even particularly bright, but she’s honest. Loyalist Rioter Misting
10. @Archer - The Great Panini, wealthy patron of the arts and amateur ventriloquist, accompanied by Bagel.
11. @Illwei
12. Experience - Zara, questionably loyal, but in extreme ways. Loyalist Tineye Misting and Investigator!
13. @Devotary of Spontaneity - Magrait, an amalgamation of Adomert and Inedze through their stored memories from a coppermind.
14. Azmine_king Loyalist Hazekiller
15. Mist - Lumen, a secretary who's trying her best and wants to bring justice to whoever needs it. Loyalist Leecher/Soulbearer Twinborn
16. |TJ| Loyalist Lurcher/Trueself Twinborn
17. manukos - Bill, Bill Door. Probably shaped like a triangle. Loyalist Augur/Connector Twinborn
18. @Dannex
19. @Flyingbooks - Veren, assistant to the Elendel representatives, playing both sides to get the nobility less influence in politics.

PMs will be sent out shortly, if they haven't been sent out already.

Edited June 4, 2021 by StrikerEZ

[Mat he/him]

I'm good with Szeth or Biplet today. I still don't much like Devo/Books either.

[Flyingbooks]

I'm a windwhisper and I scanned Araris with 2 charges of tin tongiht. He targeted Manukos, so there is a high probability that he was an elim & killed them.

[Illwei]

On the Nightkills.

So I think it's interesting that Manu died, since he wasn't exactly townread. I'm going to say it's off of his last post, where he legitimately had info about an Elim, I'm going to say.
I think it's telling that this team isn't scared or worried or guilty about killing returning players. Personally I don't...really...know what this implies. I still think Araris is an Elim, and he can be a bit ruthless :P. Newer players also might not have the same guilt because they don't know the person. I do think it's interesting that the kills were Jondesu and now potentially Manu here, because these are both older/returning players (moreso in Manu's case, not Jon's.) which also might partially imply a fear-kill. the thing is, if there was a fear kill to be had right now on a returning player, I wouldn't be surprised if it was on Drake. Which it wasn't.
I'm not going to read too much into That specifically, because Jon/[Manu, Mist] all fall into more low-profile kills.
I do think that them being low-profile implies that the Elims are comfortable with the direction that we're going. that they feel safe, or that they're the ones leading us. if Araris flips V then that proves that, otherwise they killed Manu because he had info. Mist would be a low profile kill here unless I'm missing something. Mist was suspected to be the Kandra iirc, so...could this be a vig kill here?

[Mat he/him]

Huh, okay. I had been tentatively reading Araris as vil because of how strongly he was arguing for somewhat controversial points (and what those points were) but I'll follow onto Araris, at least until he says something. Though I'm guessing he'll claim Coinshot regardless of if he actually is one or not :P.