Devotary of Spontaneity Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Young Bard said: 1) His activity level is much higher this turn. Admittedly, this could easily be due to RL stuff, but I think people tend to pay a lot more attention to a game in which they're an Eliminator (though, admittedly, that doesn't always reflect itself in the amount of posts made.) 2) He's proposed/supported 2 different plans now which I think would be... problematic, for the village, and easy for Hoid or Khriss to manipulate. A PM chain in a conversion game would be ridiculously easy to seed false information and have it be passed along, as well as ensuring that generally, most of what goes on in PM's would have a fairly good chance of reaching their teams ears, if they choose their players based on where they are in the player list. Secondly, Odium destroying Taldain would a) reduce the number of World PM's that the faction would have to monitor, and b ) implies Odium should be released, which I maintain is going to be much better for Hoid and Khriss at this stage of the game than for the village. (Remember, this is Odium, not just any Shard, but the most destructive Shard that the game has. Releasing Odium would be a very, very bad idea. In fact, my main concern is that I don't think an Eliminator would draw this much attention to themselves - I know I tend to try to do the opposite as an Eliminator and blend into the shadows, which is making me paranoid. I want to get this out by rollover, but I'm looking up Wilson's Spreadsheet immediately after this to see if this would be Devotary's first time as an Eliminator. EDIT: For the record, it is according to Wilson's Spreadsheet, which could possibly explain it. (Particularly without more experienced Eliminators to help out.) 1. My activity level is not much higher this turn, it's just that I've been asked more questions that I've felt the need to respond to. Such as this post. 2.I think you mean Ruin, not Odium? And yes, Ruin is better for Hoid and Khriss, which is why it might be better to release him now into what will likely be village hands than to wait until the elim teams can release him by themselves. 3. What Monster said.
Stick. she/her Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, Young Bard said: Well. That was an interesting read. I can see one person who I am 80% sure is lying through their teeth, but they're probably still village, and I'm kind of curious to see if their gamble pays off. I think that person knows who they are, and I'd be interested in them PM'ing me sometime. Here's a wild guess: Pyromancer lying about Survival's win con and you knowing that they're lying because you're Survival's Vessel now and you be knowin. You don't have to confirm/deny this.
Young Bard he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, MonsterMetroid said: Devotary was actually an elim last QF I played in so I know it isnt his first time. Just now, Devotary of Spontaneity said: 3. What Monster said. It looks like Wilson's spreadsheet hasn't been updated from that game. My apologies. 1 minute ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: 1. My activity level is not much higher this turn, it's just that I've been asked more questions that I've felt the need to respond to. Such as this post. 2.I think you mean Ruin, not Odium? And yes, Ruin is better for Hoid and Khriss, which is why it might be better to release him now into what will likely be village hands than to wait until the elim teams can release him by themselves. 1. Huh. I'll admit, it felt a lot more from my end, but that could have been me seeing your name more/paying more attention to your posts, and somewhere along the line that translated as my brain thinking you've posted more. I'll have another look over the original Night 0 thread after this. 2. Gah. I did mean Ruin, yes. I believe my point stands, though. If Ruin is released and does end up in villager hands, it doesn't mean it will stay that way. The player could convert (and I would hazard they have a win con more aligned with the Eliminators than the Villagers), or the Shard could be passed into Eliminator hands through death or passing. And, that says nothing about the fact that destroying a planet will help the Eliminators have an easier access to as much villager communication as possible. 9 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: Here's a wild guess: Pyromancer lying about Survival's win con and you knowing that they're lying because you're Survival's Vessel now and you be knowin. You don't have to confirm/deny this. ... I plead the Fifth. (I feel like I've said too much already to give away what I meant, so I'm not going to comment further on who or what I made that comment about. Actually, I will confirm that I am not Survival's Vessel, but that's all.)
Seonid he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Author Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) Day 1 - Tremors in the Sky The Governing Council tore into Mlyssa as soon as the meeting started. “It should have been obvious from the start,” the Deputy Vice Chancellor said. “It seems exceedingly foolish to me to let so many students come in such close contact to the Shards of Adonalsium themselves, without further vetting. It was only a matter of time before someone succumbed to temptation.” He shook his head sadly, his disappointment clear. “I agree,” the Vice Chancellor said. “I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner.” The discussion continued in the same vein, each member of the Council condemning Mlyssa for her failure to carry out basic security objectives, for her overreliance on obviously insufficient measures, for not promptly addressing problems brought to her attention, for underperforming, for any problem real or imagined. Each voice added to the blame, blending into a cacophony of shame that pricked at her with a thousand tiny needles. Perhaps, a governor suggested, she ought to be fired. Mylssa anxiously twirled her long eyebrows in her hands. Sure, it was kind of her fault, but...she didn’t deserve to be fired, did she? Her eyes darted around the table desperately. The others all loomed over her, like she was a beetle under a magnifying glass that the sun was about to hit. God Beyond, she could hear the predatory glee in their voices, covered up by those sickeningly fake smiles. Mlyssa’s eyes found Raona Sheran, the Head of Investiture Science. Mlyssa had been asked to come here, supposedly as a favor to the Governing Council, to provide a perspective on the events of last night. Oh, how wrong that had been. Raona stared calmly back at Mlyssa. They were all looking at Mlyssa. “Hold on,” the Vice Chancellor said. “I just got a call. Keep going, don’t wait for me.” He stood up and left. Momentarily freed from the weight of everyone’s attention, Mlyssa took a deep breath. “I, uh…” she freed her hands from her eyebrows, ducking down to get her bag. “I got the initial report.” She brought the manila envelope out of her bag and pushed it onto the table. Some heads turned towards it, but just as quickly turned back towards Mlyssa. “The biometric handprint lock was hit with a localized EMP, then Forged so it had a bug where the door opened when the lock was offline. The EMP took out the decontamination chamber, so it wouldn’t scrub away any Investiture on them. I don’t think it was a student, because....uh, a student could’ve gotten in...the normal way, and then easily broken through the walls.” Failure to encase the lab in a layer of aluminum: another one of the Governing Council’s many, many valid points. “It could be an act of misdirection,” the Deputy Vice Chancellor said. Mlyssa disentangled her fingers from her eyebrows again. Oh God Beyond, she hadn’t even thought of that. She hadn’t thought of a lot of things. “The police found fingerprints everywhere, but it’s impossible to tell whether that was from before, or the...break-in. They can’t use Investiture sniffers either, because there’s too much overlap from all the other shards. I...I don’t think...Survival could be anywhere.” Once again the Governing Council growled discontentedly, the full force of its ire focused on Mlyssa. Raona flashed an apologetic smile at her, all fangs and needles. The wolf thanking the lamb for its sacrifice. Mlyssa stared at the floor and waited for it all to end. The Vice Chancellor staggered back to the table, his face pale, his hands shaking. “What happened?” The Deputy Vice Chancellor asked. “Odium. Ruin. And Autonomy.” The Vice Chancellor said. “They’re gone.” Mlyssa was quickly fired after that. ------------------------------------ In the dark, a hand lit up, wreathed with golden fire. It flexed experimentally, the fingers opening and closing in the night. Power thrummed through it, along with an ache to be used. Not yet. The light traced the outline of a face, half of it lost to shadow. The hand tightened to a fist. A moment later, the light winked out. ---------------------------------- General announcements: Due to the ongoing Shardic release crisis, management has determined to take extraordinary motivational measures to ensure compliance with rules and regulations concerning use and abuse of Shardic investiture. Effective immediately, one researcher at this facility will be terminated every day until unauthorized access ceases completely. Terminated personnel will have all professional accreditations and credentials from Silverlight Polytechnic revoked, and a permanent restraining order from coming within 200 meters of the Shardic Research Facility campus. If anyone has any information on unauthorized access, we invite you to come forward and share your suspicions. Specifically, any information leading to the arrest of the person or persons responsible for releasing the Shards of Ruin, Odium, and Autonomy from their research containment will be rewarded generously. Player List: Young Bard - Jeral Arinian - Eilen Eternum - Habrian Fifth Scholar - Darrel randuir - Met Steeldancer - Steeldancer and Eobard Thawne Straw - Straw Jondesu - Quintus Droughtbringer - Ralar Devotary of Sponteneity - Reed livinglegend - Unnamed Character 3 Orlok - Locke Tekiel MonsterMetroid - Willie Magestar - Moro Hemalurgic_Headshot - Jiamo Megasif - Mega Sart - Sam Taswell TheYoungPyromancer - Kelsier _Stick_ - Stick shanerockes - Philepe De Pedro Von Leiderhuch Johnson III Drake Marshall - Everen Elbereth - Elaria The day will last for: Edited March 19, 2018 by Seonid 7
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Young Bard said: 2. Gah. I did mean Ruin, yes. I believe my point stands, though. If Ruin is released and does end up in villager hands, it doesn't mean it will stay that way. The player could convert (and I would hazard they have a win con more aligned with the Eliminators than the Villagers), or the Shard could be passed into Eliminator hands through death or passing. And, that says nothing about the fact that destroying a planet will help the Eliminators have an easier access to as much villager communication as possible. Yes, that's why I'm considering whether it's a good idea to release Ruin, not supporting. A villager that releases Ruin can also put the Shard back into containment, though it would take a full cycle to do so. 38 minutes ago, Young Bard said: This feels like he's trying too hard to prove he hasn't got anything to hide. I was trying to decide whether he was Hoid, Khriss or Survival last round, and then lost it, but a few factors have convinced me that it's the other way around. Noticing this now, I will say that I was Khriss last round, and spent 5 pages going insane from boredom. It might have gotten better in later cycles, but I voted to reset the game. Hmm, I missed rollover, let's see. Ok, what happened to going for Cultivation and Ambition!? We now have all three 'evil' Shards out! I have to go to sleep now, but I will do some proper panicking when I wake up.
Young Bard he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Storms. Three Shards? And we couldn't have picked a nicer 3 to release, either... :/ What's more, if everyone steals a charge again tonight, we're divided among even fewer Shards, so it seems likely that at least three, if not more, will be released again tonight. Devotary of Spontaneity. I explained this at the end of last cycle, but to repeat quickly: I found a few of their lines - especially their first line after the reset - to be highly suspicious. In addition, they had a few peculiar plans which I believe would be more in line with an Eliminator mindset than a villager one (see my post last cycle for more detail on that.) To the three brand new Shards: I'm pretty sure you know when you're going to change your alignment (Seonid, is this true?) - I'd strongly recommend you have returned your Shard before that happens. (I'd say do it immediately, but I know even I wouldn't follow that advice if I was holding a Shard, so... ) Oh, and Odium, I hope you're not Steeldancer. Please, please, don't be Steeldancer.
MonsterMetroid Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Well... with Odium gone assuming that the person with it isnt gonna just sit on their hands we really need to protect cultivation from being shattered. It kind of sucks that it wasn't released
Young Bard he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: 1. Yes, that's why I'm considering whether it's a good idea to release Ruin, not supporting. A villager that releases Ruin can also put the Shard back into containment, though it would take a full cycle to do so. 2. Noticing this now, I will say that I was Khriss last round, and spent 5 pages going insane from boredom. It might have gotten better in later cycles, but I voted to reset the game. Hmm, I missed rollover, let's see. 3. Ok, what happened to going for Cultivation and Ambition!? We now have all three 'evil' Shards out! I have to go to sleep now, but I will do some proper panicking when I wake up. I suspect someone else will have posted by the time I finish this, so it won't be a double post. 1. Hmmm... That's fair, I suppose, but that still doesn't answer the fact that I don't think destroying a planet would be a good idea, even if a Shard isn't released in the process. 2. Huh. OK, then. Does anyone want to counter-claim this? ...Against my better judgement, Devotary, unless I hear a counter-claim. I do consider that my main piece of evidence, but if you were Khriss last time, then that explains that comment. 3. That, at least, we're agreed on. :/ EDIT: I've just scanned through, and the following players are people who either didn't post, or only post a line or two at most. (If I missed something more substantial you posted, I apologise.) I'm RNG'ing from this list to poke vote - I understand if you're busy, but please let us know that at the very least if so. @Arinian, @Eternum, @Straw, @Jondesu, @Megasif, @shanerockes. Straw. Do you have any thoughts on the game so far? Edited March 17, 2018 by Young Bard Not double posting - adding poke vote
Straw he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Hmm. I’d advise Ruin to destroy Braize, and Odium should probably shatter a Shard in containment, just to make the Hoid faction sudden death win condition far harder to achieve. I would also advise Autonomy to immediately start making aspects on various worlds, as insurance against vote hammers.
Magestar he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) What. Why. Seriously? Ok then. Well, in all likelihood, we have a bunch of villagers targeting Odium and Ruin. It seems a little odd to me, although I'm looking back and seeing some discussion about freeing Ruin to keep it out of the wrong hands? That's interesting. Odium, though, seems like an odd choice for a bunch of villagers to go after. Autonomy, I understand. It's investiture ability is super useful to the village, and it's Shardic abilities are really sweet. But as for the other two, well, I'm not so sure. What I'm wondering is whether you guys think these shards were released because lots of people wanted their investiture, or because people wanted the actual shards. Interesting to think about. What's also interesting is that even more shards weren't released, given the rather low release cost, and the number of players. 4 hours ago, Young Bard said: To the three brand new Shards: I'm pretty sure you know when you're going to change your alignment (Seonid, is this true?) - I'd strongly recommend you have returned your Shard before that happens. (I'd say do it immediately, but I know even I wouldn't follow that advice if I was holding a Shard, so... ) Oh, and Odium, I hope you're not Steeldancer. Please, please, don't be Steeldancer. I agree that shards should probably get put back before Alignment changes occur. But why not Steeldancer? 25 minutes ago, Straw said: Hmm. I’d advise Ruin to destroy Braize, and Odium should probably shatter a Shard in containment, just to make the Hoid faction sudden death win condition far harder to achieve. I would also advise Autonomy to immediately start making aspects on various worlds, as insurance against vote hammers. I was actually thinking about suggesting something like that to Odium, as unfortunate as it is that we have to shatter a shard. Having at least one shard shattered is probably a good thing. Pick a boring one, pretty please? Not so sure about Ruin, but maybe. Edited March 17, 2018 by Magestar
Hemalurgic Headshot he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Why those three? It just sounds like a terrible, terrible, awesome, terrible recipe for disaster. Odium and Ruin will most likely begin causing havoc. Autonomy has some very good abilities for the village. I'm really just repeating what has been said before by Mage and Straw. And I'd find it hilarious if Steeldancer got his wish. And slightly frightening. ---- And now it's the D1 lynch! Yet again, it is do, or do not. I'd suppose that Hoid and Krissala have taken advantage of their conversion ability and there are more Elims now than were before. Additionally, there are three Vessels running around. Assuming four total Elims and three Vessels, there is a roughly 1/3 chance that we will lynch someone special. Lynching a Vessel wouldn't be as fun though, because then the Shard would just get passed to someone else, maybe even an Elim, and it would be more difficult to get it back into containment. Ant more thoughts on D1 lynch?
Jondesu he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 @Young Bard, thanks for the tag, but I’m not planning to add a ton to the discussion. I’ll play the game as part of whatever faction I’m part of at the time, and I’ll participate in lynches, and use whatever actions I might have, but I don’t plan to try to discuss much in the thread. It just isn’t a helpful or reasonable thing for me to do, personally, after trying too hard at it for many games I’ve played.
Steeldancer he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 DANG IT I FORGOT TO TAKE AN ACTION. GAHHHHHHH. No Odium for me Or do I
Orlok Tsubodai Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 I’ve now been awake for 26 hours. Consequently, my ability to engage today will be much reduced. That being said, I’ll add to the speculation on the shards being released. I don’t think it at all controversial to agree with Hemalurgic Headshot that the release of Autonomy was through accident alone - well intentioned Sharders seeking scans. Whilst the same might be able to be said about the release of Odium, with Sharders fancying their chances at vigilante kills, given its reputation and the likelihood of an interesting individual victory I think it more likely that Odium will be used against the village. That all said, speculating on why the Shards were released doesn’t really get us anywhere, and strikes me as “safe” conversation. Far more useful will be discussion on voting, however weak the suspicions are. I’ll go back through and find someone to vote on in an hour or so, after lunch.
Steeldancer he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 As for why I wanted to be Odium, take a look at LG41. As far as I am aware, I'm the only player who has ever pulled off a SK win. I wanted to make that twice I'll have more RP and a vote on something later
Hemalurgic Headshot he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, Steeldancer said: As for why I wanted to be Odium, take a look at LG41. As far as I am aware, I'm the only player who has ever pulled off a SK win. I wanted to make that twice I'll have more RP and a vote on something later Looks like you'll just need to find the current Vessel and... take it off their hands? And what do you think about the lynch? Statistically, as always, there is a very high chance of hitting a villager. At the most, there are only four Elims, and there are three Vessels. Its highly unlikely we'll hit an Elim, and hitting a Vessel will just transfer the Shard to someone else, possibly an Elim. This is a question of pros and cons. Do we want to risk a village death (hopefully harmless), or a Vessel death (with the dangerous possibility of falling into enemy hands) for the chance of killing an Elim? And of those four Elims, there's a 50/50 chance of hitting Hoid or Krissala. 1
Steeldancer he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 I think we should lynch someone who is genuinely suspicious. I don't really have any suspicions, but that's because I haven't really taken a good look at any posts yet.
Stick. she/her Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 I think everybody just went like 'yup there seem to be enough people willing to go for Culty/Ambition I should go for this other Shard no-one's paying attention to (Autonomy)/no-one else would want to target in fear of letting it loose and potentially handing it over to the wrong peeps (Odium and Ruin) besides if I go for Culty/Ambition and they do get released I wont get no powers unless I get super lucky and get the whole Shard yep not gonna take any chances'. Another very very slim possibility is that Hoid anticipated the players likely to go for Odium/Ruin [iirc, Pyromancer and DoS considered/agreed to the idea of releasing Ruin, and Livinglegend said something similar about Odium, so these players are all possible Vessels] and so Hoid targeted Odium/Ruin and changed the number of charges it would need to release them from 3 to 2, and plans to convert their possible Vessel tonight after worldhopping to Braize today, as this would grant his faction kills that he cannot otherwise take. But this is VERY tinfoil-y that should probably be ignored. But tinfoil theorys are fun.:D Yeah. As for the lynch, I really don't know who to vote for. The restarted game has messed up my reads...So, uh, I'll try to develop some before rollover and vote on somebody. 1 hour ago, Hemalurgic Headshot said: I'd suppose that Hoid and Krissala have taken advantage of their conversion ability and there are more Elims now than were before. Why do you think it's more probable that they went for conversions so early, given that they only get two conversions each?
Elbereth she/her Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) From last night: @Young Bard, so you're going for the sudden death win condition because it's unlikely to work? I can't be too suspicious of you for that because it's the sort of thing you would do, but I still question your logic. (Also, Wilson and I extend our formal apology for the spreadsheet not being up to date. We're working on it.) From today: Quote Ok, what happened to going for Cultivation and Ambition!? We now have all three 'evil' Shards out! I have to go to sleep now, but I will do some proper panicking when I wake up. Devotary of Spontaneity. This post reads to me as very off. It's no longer commonly discussed, but there was an eliminator tell for a while when eliminators would be overly happy in thread about the death of a teammate, and this feels along those lines. Also, you weren't Khriss last time. (Which I am hesitant to reveal, but it'd be counterclaimed sooner or later anyway, so I have no qualms about speeding up the process.) @Magestar, it seems very obvious to me why villagers would want charges of Odium. It seems unlikely that you can't come up with a single reason. @Steeldancer, you are not the only person. I can't recall the other - Bard, perhaps? But there has been at least one more. @Hemalurgic Headshot, if I weren't voting on Devotary I'd vote on you. We've already discussed that we'll have a lynch today and why, and now you're proposing we discuss whether to do so (a very safe topic of discussion, I'd add) merely because we might hit a Vessel? How do you propose we kill the elims, then, given Odium and Ruin are already released? How is another kill method any more accurate than the lynch? @_Stick_, Hoid can't convert Shards. That said, targeting Odium and siphoning a charge in order to make it released earlier is honestly pretty possible, if he wanted to reduce pressure on him by adding a new target for the village into the mix. (I wouldn't necessarily agree with that move, as it also adds more problems for him, but could see it happening.) RP will be coming, MM, I promise (though if you want to RP with anyone else you're free to wander off), but I'm going to breakfast first. Edited March 17, 2018 by Elbereth bolded the important bit
Stick. she/her Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Elbereth said: Hoid can't convert Shards. Thanks for pointing that out, El. This is the third time this rule has slipped my mind. >> 7 minutes ago, Elbereth said: Also, you weren't Khriss last time. (Which I am hesitant to reveal, but it'd be counterclaimed sooner or later anyway, so I have no qualms about speeding up the process.) Oooooo, very interesting. I'm assuming you know this because of the spreadsheet shenanigans. I wonder why DoS claimed to be Khriss in the first place...? @Devotary of Spontaneity If you don't have convincing reasons to have false-claimed Khriss, my vote goes on you. So very exciting to finally have somebody's name to put in red.
Hemalurgic Headshot he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, Elbereth said: @Hemalurgic Headshot, if I weren't voting on Devotary I'd vote on you. We've already discussed that we'll have a lynch today and why, and now you're proposing we discuss whether to do so (a very safe topic of discussion, I'd add) merely because we might hit a Vessel? How do you propose we kill the elims, then, given Odium and Ruin are already released? How is another kill method any more accurate than the lynch? I was mainly phrasing it as a rhetorical question. I don't have many other answers for you, because, yes, without Odium or Ruin the lynch is the last option for village kills. 31 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: Why do you think it's more probable that they went for conversions so early, given that they only get two conversions each? I didn't know that they only had two conversions. I had assumed they would want to act early so they could have more options and have a teammate early on.
Magestar he/him Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 28 minutes ago, Elbereth said: @Magestar, it seems very obvious to me why villagers would want charges of Odium. It seems unlikely that you can't come up with a single reason. Alright then. Let's flesh this out. What's your point? 28 minutes ago, Elbereth said: Also, you weren't Khriss last time. (Which I am hesitant to reveal, but it'd be counterclaimed sooner or later anyway, so I have no qualms about speeding up the process.) This whole thing is becoming rather interesting. The fact that the game was rebooted at all, in such a fashion, makes it rather fascinating to begin with. It's already added an interesting dynamic, which I'm not sure I'm fond of. Another interesting thing is, with you having seen the previous spreadsheet, you're in a position to make a good number of claims about the previous distribution, which, without coming forward about their previous roles, people might have a hard time refuting. It would be really bizarre for DoS to claim such a thing, if it wasn't true, at least in my opinion. I'm a little suspicious of DoS to begin with, just from tone. However, similar tones have been non alignment indicative in the past, so I'm gonna withhold judgement for now. Another interesting thing is that at this point, there are at most four Elims. 28 minutes ago, Elbereth said: @_Stick_, Hoid can't convert Shards. That said, targeting Odium and siphoning a charge in order to make it released earlier is honestly pretty possible, if he wanted to reduce pressure on him by adding a new target for the village into the mix. (I wouldn't necessarily agree with that move, as it also adds more problems for him, but could see it happening.) Odium doesn't really need to be a target for the village, as long as the owner passes it, or returns it to containment, before they're corrupted. But, knowing players on this forum, I can definitely see the current holder just keeping it. I'll note that while I'm usually all for a D1 lynch, I'm not sure how useful it will be in this particular game, with a max of 4 Elims and a min of two, as well as all these shards lying around who we don't necessarily want dead. Anyway, I wouldn't mind killing DoS, but for now I'm just gonna poke Philepe De Pedro Von Leiderhuch Johnson III.
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