Orlok Tsubodai Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 36 minutes ago, Straw said: I will be putting my vote on Steeldancer. I see no reason to lynch Orlok, as you have only meta proof against him. As Orlok pointed out, he's the obvious convert. The Seer has a limited number of beads, therefore they probably want to spend them on players who are unlikely to be suspected for meta reasons. Additionally, the Seer would probably want to convert players who aren't prominent figures in the discussion, thus allowing them to remain hidden. @Straw, I think it unlikely that Steeldancer is currently evil. His argument was poorly constructed, and centred on lynching me for being myself. I don't think he'd risk bringing attention on himself in this manner if he were evil.
Straw he/him Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 Hmm... I'll mention @Steeldancer so he knows he's been voted on, and I might retract my vote depending on what he says. Consider it a poke vote.
Arinian Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 14 hours ago, Sart said: People who have been on the Shard during this turn, but haven't posted:@Arinian@Seonid@StrikerEZ@Lemonelon@little wilson@Elbereth (Has said she is busy with classes)@Doc12 (He's been helping a friend through a rough time)@DarianHammersmith@Aonar Faileas Come on guys, let's get some discussion going. Discussion question: Would you like me to continue to notifying players that they haven't posted in cycles? I can see it getting annoying, but I want everyone to participate. I'm really sorry but I was busy and haven't paid much attention to this game after my answer to Aman, and I doubt that I would be able to read through all posts in time that left to provide my opinion on who is suspicious(for me) or not. I will try tomorrow(I mean night turn) to read through the thread and post what I think.
Sart he/him Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 Vote Count: Mint (1): Rae Straw (0): Paranoid King{1}, Sony Jondesu (1): Paranoid King{2} Elbereth (1): Droughtbringer Orlok (1): Sart{1}, Steeldancer Arinian (0): Sart{2} Steeldancer (1): Araris{1}, Straw Sart (1): Araris{2} Joe (1): Frozen Mint Hmm... this is getting us nowhere. Everyone keeps getting one vote on them, which means the lynch is either going to get tied, costing us momentum, or it will be changed by vote manipulation, which gives us even less information. Since Arinian has finally posted, I'll take my vote off of him. To ensure a lynch, I'm putting my vote on Joe. He's been joking around more than participating in the discussion. I know it's a weak argument, but we don't have a lot to go on. @A Joe in the Bush care to defend yourself? If you have a better lynch candidate, I'm all ears.
Steeldancer he/him Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Orlok Tsubodai said: @Steeldancer, I'm really not sure what the point in this vote is. Do you believe that I should never be allowed to play a conversion game, without being lynched in the first turns? The Seer is intelligent, Steeldancer. If you think I'm the obvious convert, it stands to reason that they, too, believe me to be the obvious convert, and so will shrink from converting me, knowing I'll attract scrutiny and eventual lynching. 3 hours ago, Straw said: I will be putting my vote on Steeldancer. I see no reason to lynch Orlok, as you have only meta proof against him. As Orlok pointed out, he's the obvious convert. The Seer has a limited number of beads, therefore they probably want to spend them on players who are unlikely to be suspected for meta reasons. Additionally, the Seer would probably want to convert players who aren't prominent figures in the discussion, thus allowing them to remain hidden. I thought it made sense, I mean it's what I would do. Obviously, I'm stupid. orlok . Ok i won't pretend I didn't think about the meta implications of my vote. I don't want to ruin orloks games just because he's so dang good. (If you want to argue that point, take a look at LG36). I'm just saying if I were the Seer, I would love to have some experience and smartness on my side, not taking into account anything that anyone has said, or any roles (which I don't know any, as I said in my earlier post). Now of course the seer might actually have role information, and therefore Orlok wouldn't be a target. Or they might have gone through Straws thought process. Again, this is what my thought process was. Edited October 14, 2017 by Steeldancer Elaboration, and sort of ninjad by wyrm. Sorry wyrm.
Wyrmhero he/him Posted October 14, 2017 Author Posted October 14, 2017 The Turn is over! Please stop all PMs and stand by...
Wyrmhero he/him Posted October 14, 2017 Author Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) Night 2: No Easy Chair “We,” Waern said to them all, “have a problem.” “What would that be, sir?” Eobard asked as he started to shift some of the wooden rubble with Marsh’s help. “This skaa is not just a spy, but also seems to be no better than a common thief,” Waern spat. “They have practically emptied our vaults. At least, I’m hoping it’s them, and not one of you.” “I’d be impressed by that,” Marsh chuckled as he tossed aside a broken chair leg. “Where would they put all those coins, in their trousers? It’s obvious, just check if anyone’s wandering around with them round their ankles!” “That is not what they stole,” Waern replied, through gritted teeth. “We also had money in the form of atium within the vault. They stole – as far as I can tell – None of the coinage, but practically all of our wealth.” “...Ah,” Marsh said, pausing as he dislodged more of the wood. “Yeah, that’s a bit different then, sir.” “Quite. There are a few possibilities here, but I think it seems odd to take what would be obviously incriminating evidence from the vault. Wherever they might hide it, if we can trace it back to them… No, I don’t think this is about material wealth. I believe they have stolen it because they can use it.” “You think they’re Mistborn?” Locke scoffed. “A skaa Mistborn?” “No, I didn’t say that.” Waern said. “That is such a remote possibility that I don’t think it is worth considering. Besides, I feel that if any of you were Mistborn, we would have discovered that secret after as many years. No, I believe them to be a Misting that can burn atium – a Seer. It’s rare that Seers discover what they are, since atium is expensive and the higher ups in this place tend to keep them close to our chest. However, it would not be impossible for such a secret to be discovered in this place. Everything points towards this possibility.” “So does that make them dangerous?” Davus asked. “If they can only burn atium, I mean. It’s not like they’re a Pewterarm or a Coinshot.” “Of course it does,” Locke said. “There’s a reason why the Great Houses live and die by the metal in Luthadel. Doesn’t matter who or what you are, if you face a Mistborn who has access to atium, even if they’re out of their other metals, you’re going to have a bad time.” “It is as Locke says,” Waern nodded. “Regardless of them not being Mistborn, regardless of some of you being Mistings, the Seer is by far and away the most dangerous person in this room. The worst part is that we don’t even know how many beads they have access to – We have a rough idea, but they may have had their own stash, and merely wished to supplement it.” He shook his head. “Regardless, you are informed now of the situation. Use that information as you will.” “Now then,” he continued, “you’ve all had a day to think about this. Which of you do you think is a spy?” “It’s suspicious that Joe was wandering around out here last night,” Sart said. “I think if we look anywhere, it should be at him.” “Him?” Waern asked. “I saw him last Night, he’s not the one who stole from the vault.” “Yes sir, and once again I apologise for the damage done to the furniture,” Joe said as Eobard and Marsh pulled him out from underneath and stood him to his feet. “Unless he was working for them, or had someone else steal for him,” Mira said. “Good point,” Waern nodded. “Wait, what?” Joe asked, as Eobard and Marsh’s hands suddenly held a tighter grip on him. “Good work capturing him, you two," Waern grinned. "Now take him to the chambers. I’ll be along shortly.” A Joe in the Bush was a Rioter! A Joe in the Bush (2): Sart, Mira/Frozen Mint Eobard/Steeldancer (1): Straw Jondesu (1): Edguardo/Paranoid King Mira/Frozen Mint (1): Armina/Arranae Cyfna/Elbereth (1): Droughtbringer Sart (1): Hadrian/Araris Valerian Night two has begun! It will end at 21:00 BST on Sunday 15th. There is a Tineye alive, so PMs may be continue to be sent. Players Alrin (Arinian) Sheon, formerly of House Idris (Seonid) Locke, formerly of House Tekiel (Orlok Tsubodai) Eobard (Steeldancer) Straw (Straw) Quintus, worldhopper (Jondesu) Hadrian, formerly of House Penrod (Araris Valerian) John (Shqueeves) Variel, ambitious and young (StrikerEZ) Marsh, but not that Marsh (Darkness Ascendant) Pix (Lemonelon) Jaina, obsessed with pandas (littlewilson) Sart (Sart) Cyfna (Elbereth) Edguardo 'The Great', long on plans but short on money (Paranoid King) A Joe in the Bush - Rioter Armina, of House Handler (Arranae) Sony Mira (frozen Mint) Rin (doc12) Gaskon Renaud, who may get around to procrastinating eventually (Amanuensis) - Obligator DarianHammersmith Droughtbringer Davus Nickel, formerly of House Izenry (Aonar Faileas) Quick Links: The Rules Day 1 Night 1 Day 2 Night 2 (but what does it mean to be 'here'?) Day 3 (tomorrow) Edited October 15, 2017 by Wyrmhero 2
Sart he/him Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 Well, that was disappointing. At least we took out a role that we don't want the Seer to convert. Vote manipulation is more powerful in the hands of the Eliminators, as they know who is on their team, and who isn't. Still, it always sucks to lose a villager, but we didn't have much choice in the matter. We need as much information as possible, which means lynching people to determine their alignment.
Straw he/him Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 @Steeldancer Sorry I wasn't back from my walk in time to take my vote off of you.
Arraenae Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 I think there's little point in lynching people for meta reasons, either because they're expected or unexpected converts. It's basically a big IKYK, but we can't even guess based off of the Seer's personality because we don't know who the Seer is.
Steeldancer he/him Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 49 minutes ago, Straw said: @Steeldancer Sorry I wasn't back from my walk in time to take my vote off of you. Just fine. I'm still alive. I also feel that though my logic was solid (to me, anyway) I agree that voting on Orlok for pure meta reasons probably isn't alright. However, fair warning: my threshold of suspicious activity warning is much lower for you @Orlok Tsubodai. I'm keeping my eyes on you (not just on this game either. I'm watching you, Orlok. ALWAYS watching. ) 1
Arraenae Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 Steeldancer totally isn't a stalker. Nope. Definitely not. Why would you ever think that?
Paranoid King he/him Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Wyrmhero said: John/Shqueeves (1): Edguardo/Paranoid King I voted on Jondesu, right? I have no idea whether this is a vote manipulation or just the Jons getting confused @Wyrmhero, could I get a clarification on that?
Steeldancer he/him Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Arraenae said: Steeldancer totally isn't a stalker. Nope. Definitely not. Why would you ever think that? It was a reference not a threat! Well, sort of a threat. Mostly a reference.
little wilson she/her Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Steeldancer said: It was a reference not a threat! Well, sort of a threat. Mostly a reference. I think I'm going to call you Roz from now on. It's a good name.
Arraenae Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 As of N2, I think Paranoid King is probably the Seer, if it's not Mint. D1, his first post is one agreeing with Orlok. He says that Aman is extremely likely to get converted, but just leaves things like that and votes on Doc for no reason. His next post, he votes on Aman, saying that he's either the Seer or going to be a Convert soon. Consistent with his first post, at least. I still feel like Aman's gambit made him an easy D1 lynch. D2, he says that he thought "Aman had an evil plan to stay alive until he made three converts". This doesn't match up with his previous post, where PK said he thought Aman was the Seer or a Convert-to-be. It's a little suspicious. If PK thought about it and decided that the chance of Aman being the Seer was higher than of being a CTB, he didn't make any indication of it inthread. Then he pokevotes Straw. In his next post D2, PK looks at people based off of their D1 lynch policy. He says that the Seer is probably someone who wanted a no-lynch. Then he votes on Jondesu. PK seems really vote-happy. PK says in his experience, villagers have more free-form fun than elims, so he trusts Steeldancer. He also trusts Orlok based on PM interactions. PK responds to Araris and Sony. N2, PK asks about the vote tally, which is NAI. Overall, I think PK is slightly leaning elim, probably Seer, since his suspicious actions were D1. Between him and Mint, I'm a little more suspicious of Mint (second vote on Aman), but if Mint isn't the Seer I think there's a decent chance that it's PK.
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 Sorry I haven't been wholly in this game, I'll see what I can do tomorrow or soemthing.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 Hey, sorry I've been out of the game for awhile, band has been crazy lately. It's like 1 in the morning right no,w so I'm gonna sleep and I'll probably get on later.
Wyrmhero he/him Posted October 15, 2017 Author Posted October 15, 2017 10 hours ago, Paranoid King said: I voted on Jondesu, right? I have no idea whether this is a vote manipulation or just the Jons getting confused @Wyrmhero, could I get a clarification on that? Confusion. They have very similar names, so best to refer to them as their full name to avoid ambiguity. Fixing that now.
Arinian Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 I've read through previous turn... can't say that I've get much of suspiciouns... Right now I'm slightly suspicious of Mint. Quote In terms of lynch candidates, I'm leaning towards Striker or Shqeeves. It's easy for a Seer to offer role swapping after someone else has proposed it. It's a great way to gather information while not bringing too much attention to yourself since you're just picking up on another person's idea. Shqeeves has shown a stronger anti-lynch stance. In contrast, Striker seems to be laying low, so that's where my vote will go for now. Can't say that Mint done something over suspicious but Striker and Shqeeves were good targets for vote if you want to imitate activity and don't get suspicions on you. But problem that I'm not sure that Seer would vote on someone on turn 1 for Seer was much easier(in that exact situation that we had have) to say that he\she voting for no lynch on first turn, so *shrug*. Other players did nothing that can be counted as suspicious or worth to pay more attetion to them. So I can say that at that moment I leaning village for Orlok and Drought(even if Drought not posted much, he looks more like village!Drought for me). Also have some bad gut read about Rae and PK... but better not to listen to my gut when he suspects Rae(or Stick or Aonar... and many others ). Everyone else is neutral for me at that moment. I will try to be more active on this week... probably
Steeldancer he/him Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 I might go inactive for a turn or two. My week just took a severe turn for the worse and I think I might just take a break from everything. I'll be back soon, hopefully.
Lemonelon Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 I'm finding it very hard to be suspicious of anyone in particular this early into the game. Let's see if Elims kill anyone tonight, that might give us a clue as to who they want in their team and who they want out of the game. As if I have it right, one person in the team can send in the kill which would leave the seer free to convert another person- assuming of course they converted someone N1.
Arraenae Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Arinian said: Also have some bad gut read about Rae and PK... but better not to listen to my gut when he suspects Rae(or Stick or Aonar... and many others ). Everyone else is neutral for me at that moment. I will try to be more active on this week... probably What did I ever do to your gut to make it hate me so much?
Arinian Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 59 minutes ago, Arraenae said: What did I ever do to your gut to make it hate me so much? Sorry Rae but I have no clue for it... atleast my gut hates you not so much as he hates Stick
Wyrmhero he/him Posted October 15, 2017 Author Posted October 15, 2017 The Night is over! Please stop your PMing until the new Turn confirms you can continue.
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