Long Game 39: Blood Money

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Day 3: Canton Tea Party

 

Waern wiped the sweat and some of the blood off his brow as he placed his instruments in a bucket of water to soak. He watched the still-wet blood swirl in the warm water for a moment, before realising he was dozing off, lost in the mesmerising patterns it was producing. It was late, and he was tired. He left the chamber and started locking up. There was nothing particularly dangerous or useful in there, but it was usually best to stop people stumbling on the room accidentally in the dark. They could injure themselves quite badly if they knocked over the bucket and stood on the tools, after all.

He had just turned the key in the lock when he heard the cry for help. Immediately he broke into a run, heading to help the source. It was only when he found the cloaked figure withdrawing their knife (was that metal or obsidian? He couldn’t tell what material it was made from in the dark) from Eobard’s throat. Waern’s hand went to his belt, only to realise that he had taken his coat off in the torture chamber, and neglected to put it back on when he left. And now it was locked away.

The figure watched his hand, and when they realised he was defenceless, they started to advance. Waern, for his part, started to retreat, a step for a step. Then the deadlock was broken, and he turned and ran. Cowardly perhaps, but Waern had always believed that discretion was the better part of valour. Besides, after being banished to this godforsaken place, Waern had very little pride remaining.

He turned a corner, footsteps beating down on the stone floor in time with the footsteps of his pursuer some distance away. His sudden movement had given him some space, but not enough that he could sneak away from them without them knowing. He turned into another passageway, and then disaster – it was a dead end.

Hurriedly, he grabbed the first doorknob and tried to open it. He gave up quickly, as it was apparent it was locked. He tried the next one, which was open. He flung himself through the door and slammed it shut. There was a key in the lock, so he turned it. Only then did he allow himself to breath and see which room he had escaped into.

“Sir, this is a surprise,” Jaina said. “Of course, you’re more than welcome to join us, I’ve always said that to everyone, but I never thought anyone would actually take me up on it. But still, as I say, happy to have you here with us, there’s enough for everyone. Please, have a seat.” She gestured opposite her.

Waern blinked and didn’t move. Jaina had changed out of the dour Obligator uniform they were required to wear, and was now wearing a light-coloured long sundress, with a matching wide-brimmed sunhat. She sat on the floor, presumably because Joe had broken all the chairs in the building, and in front of her was a table with three china cups on it, as well as a plate with biscuits.

“...Us?” Waern said, knowing that was really not the question he wanted to ask, but it was the only one he was able to think of at the moment.

“Yes-” Jaina said, before frowning and looking to the side of the table and then under it, and finally checking the pocket of her Obligator coat. “Oh, your loud entrance scared her into hiding. Well, it will just have to be us for a little bit, but I’m sure that’s fine.”

“Right...” Waern nodded, though he wasn’t quite sure why. A strong smell of alcohol hit his nose, and he frowned. “Is that… That’s not tea in those cups, is it?”

Jaina shook her head. “Unfortunately we seem to have run out of tea, so I have had to make do.”

“Make do… with what?”

“Whiskey,” she said, a small grin on her face. “It was the first thing I could find. Now are you going to sit down? It’s very rude and distracting, having you stand there like that. You loom, sir. Or you do when you’re standing and I’m not, anyway. Please sit and have a biscuit.”

Waern didn’t immediately respond. Instead he crouched down, took the key out of the lock, and looked through the keyhole. An eye stared back at him, and he hurriedly jammed the key back in the lock, hoping that would at least scare his attacker. He turned back to the tea party, or rather whiskey party, apparently, and considered his options. Dealing with this madness, or death. Perhaps he was already mad, considering death seemed the more enticing of the two.

He massaged his temple and slowly came to a decision. “I’ll stay,” he said, and hating himself for it.

“Good!” Jaina smiled, removing the stopper from the glass bottle that was slightly out of his view, and pouring a third cup as full as one would normally fill it with tea. “Just have a seat over there, and I’ll introduce you...”

 

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When his Obligators turned up for the meeting the next day, they found a Waern with great black bags under his bloodshot eyes, wincing at the sound of every footstep. His face was pale and his gaze was unfocused.

“Hehe,” Jaina giggled a little from a corner of the room, where she had sat down to stop the walls spinning so much. “He looks like a panda.”

Waern grunted. “Tell me later who you think it is. You guys talk for a bit. For The Lord Ruler’s sake though, keep it down.” He leaned against the wall behind him and slid down until he was sitting against it. “I’m going to try and catch up on some sleep." He closed his eyes and folded his arms. "Wake me if you need me.”

 

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Eobard (Steeldancer) was a Lurcher!

Day 3 has begun! It will end at 21:00 BST on Tuesday 15th.

There is a Tineye alive, so PMs may be continue to be sent.

 

Players

 

1. Alrin (Arinian)
2. Sheon, formerly of House Idris (Seonid)
3. Locke, formerly of House Tekiel (Orlok Tsubodai)
4. Eobard (Steeldancer) - Lurcher
5. Straw (Straw)
6. Quintus, worldhopper (Jondesu)
7. Hadrian, formerly of House Penrod (Araris Valerian)
8. John (Shqueeves)
9. Variel, ambitious and young (StrikerEZ)
10. Marsh, but not that Marsh (Darkness Ascendant)
11. Pix (Lemonelon)
12. Jaina, obsessed with pandas (littlewilson)
13. Sart (Sart)
14. Cyfna (Elbereth)
15. Edguardo 'The Great', long on plans but short on money (Paranoid King)
16. A Joe in the Bush - Rioter
17. Armina, of House Handler (Arranae)
18. Sony
19. Mira (frozen Mint)
20. Rin (doc12)
21. Gaskon Renaud, who may get around to procrastinating eventually (Amanuensis) - Obligator
22. DarianHammersmith
23. Droughtbringer
24. Davus
25. Nickel, formerly of House Izenry (Aonar Faileas)

Quick Links:

 

• The Rules
• Day 1
• Night 1
• Day 2
• Night 2
• Day 3 (you are here)
• Night 3

Edited October 17, 2017 by Wyrmhero

[Lemonelon]

Okay, I believe my assessment at the end of N2 is correct. I reckon we are now dealing with 3 elims and with 3 villagers down we have almost 14% chance of killing one in this lynch.

I'm going to kickstart the debate with Straw because he voted for Steeldancer D2 then retracted his vote, yet Steeldancer still died at the end of N2. Seems a bit suspicious to me. 

@Straw do you have any ideas why steeldancer died? 

[Arraenae]

PK, for the reasons that I stated last night.

[Straw he/him]

@Lemonelon my vote on Steeldancer was a poke vote to explain his reasoning for voting on Orlok.

[Lemonelon]

15 minutes ago, Straw said:

@Lemonelon my vote on Steeldancer was a poke vote to explain his reasoning for voting on Orlok.

That's fair. And I think you mentioned it when you voted. It's just a bit strange that the Elims took him out next cycle...  Straw  

[Paranoid King he/him]

17 hours ago, Arraenae said:

As of N2, I think Paranoid King is probably the Seer, if it's not Mint.

D1, his first post is one agreeing with Orlok. He says that Aman is extremely likely to get converted, but just leaves things like that and votes on Doc for no reason.

My original thought was that Aman just had a low-quality plan. I didn't think he was the seer, just that he'd still get converted, so it was best for people not to trust him. Plus, even by now, Doc has only posted once. I'm pretty sure I'm justified in this.

His next post, he votes on Aman, saying that he's either the Seer or going to be a Convert soon. Consistent with his first post, at least. I still feel like Aman's gambit made him an easy D1 lynch.

By then, I'd thought about alternate problems with Aman's plan, not least of which was that he was specifying that he should stay alive until D3. That made me think that he might be planning to make converts before he died, and was just trying a bold strategy to divert attention until then.

D2, he says that he thought "Aman had an evil plan to stay alive until he made three converts". This doesn't match up with his previous post, where PK said he thought Aman was the Seer or a Convert-to-be. It's a little suspicious. If PK thought about it and decided that the chance of Aman being the Seer was higher than of being a CTB, he didn't make any indication of it inthread. Then he pokevotes Straw.

For some reason, I had the idea stuck in my head that the seer had 4 atium beads. I don't know where I got that fact from, but if Aman was the seer, and was trying to not get lynched until D3, he'd be able to convert people the first 2 nights, survive the lynch, then convert a third person. That was the part of Aman's plan that bothered me, and that was the part that I focused on. Plus, I'd already said Aman would be converted, so there was no reason to bring it up again.

 

In his next post D2, PK looks at people based off of their D1 lynch policy. He says that the Seer is probably someone who wanted a no-lynch. Then he votes on Jondesu. PK seems really vote-happy.

Tragedy of the commons. Enough other people will vote that I'm not doing any harm by voting. And it's in my benefit, because someone who is not me will be the target.

PK says in his experience, villagers have more free-form fun than elims, so he trusts Steeldancer. He also trusts Orlok based on PM interactions.

2 hours ago, Wyrmhero said:

Eobard (Steeldancer) was a Lurcher!

Validated. That was mostly a gut read, though.

PK responds to Araris and Sony.

...

N2, PK asks about the vote tally, which is NAI.

It does show I'm paying attention, though.

Overall, I think PK is slightly leaning elim, probably Seer, since his suspicious actions were D1. Between him and Mint, I'm a little more suspicious of Mint (second vote on Aman), but if Mint isn't the Seer I think there's a decent chance that it's PK.

Objection!

I refute this claim, on the bounds that

1. As I was one of the few people who voted, I'm in the minority. As an elim, I would try to stay as far from minorities as possible.
2. I'm posting a lot. I tend to stay inactive in my elim games and experiment in my village games. I'm pretty sure you'll complain about me knowing about this and changing my playstyle, so you could ignore this one.
3. I'm posting clear lists of my suspicions. Were I the seer, I would be shooting myself in the foot by explaining my thought processes - And I don't have the time or motivation to make two completely separate lists, one for my village mask, and one for my evil plans.

And to quote you in a previous post: "I know Wyrm puts in effort to pick elims that he thinks probably won't go inactive."

Ah ha ha. Yeah. This is a bit metagamey, but I'm a terrible choice, if that's what Wyrm were aiming for. I tend to go inactive fairly often, and especially would this game, since midterms are coming up.

Anyways, I'll move on to the next person on my list. Lemonelion. Straw voting on Steeldancer would make me believe that Straw was village, not elim. Voting on someone you were going to kill would connect you for no reason.

[Arraenae]

@Paranoid King Okay, I reread your post and realized that it didn't say what I thought it said. >.< I suppose what you said makes sense. My gut still doesn't like you, but the Aman thing doesn't seem nearly as suspicious now. PK.

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They gathered to discuss who they thought the spy was. Again. As usual, Prelan Waern left them alone to come to a conclusion.

Armina slipped into the room, ready to watch another day of talking that would probably end with another person getting tortured. Maybe today she would accuse Locke. After all, a few people had already voiced wariness of him, and even if some of them had quickly recanted their statements, the seeds of suspicion had already been planted. Armina permitted herself a small smile over the thought of Locke being broken and gibbering from torture. Served him right for humiliating Armina in front of the Prelan.

Before Armina could reach her corner, she stopped. Someone else was already there. Quintus, she thought his name was. He'd stolen her watching spot. Armina glared at him, then turned and walked off to find another good place to lurk. He'd better not be there after their noon break, for his own good.

@Jondesu, do you want to RP?

[Arinian]

Hmm... I think that PK is elim and so I voting for him... Hooray?

[Jondesu he/him]

@Arraenae, you just walked away from me, how am I supposed to RP with you?  

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Quintus watched warily as one of the female obligators–Armina, he thought her name was–approached his casual observation point.  He didn't want to have to move, but he wasn't sure he wanted to stand around with someone who just might be a killer.  Or the next victim.  He wasn't sure which would be worse.

The others were tossing accusations around fairly quickly now, panicking perhaps, or just zealous in their attempts to weed out the Skaa. Quintus knew what some others might not, though…some among the Obligators were willing to be bought, and may have been bought already.  Their loyalty to The Lord Ruler wasn't nearly as unshakeable as was commonly thought, especially when enough money was offered.

Come to think of it, he'd long suspected Armina of being less than committed herself, and the same of Nickel.  Perhaps there were others, but he'd keep an eye on those two for now.

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Okay, so I'm fingering Rae and Aonar mostly for meta reasons, in that I expect players who aren't too high profile but are likely to remain active were candidates for the Seer.

That said, the Seer killed off Steeldancer, meaning either they thought he was a threat, or he was a random choice (to be fair, I'd usually go for a completely random choice myself to avoid anyone being able to analyze my choices, but that doesn't mean the Seer did that).  This is again mostly meta reasons, but I'd imagine a Seer who'd kill Steeldancer early would be interested in a player like Mira (Frozen Mint) as a convert, since those two started at similar times, so players who'd learned one of their playstyles would probably know both.

[little wilson she/her]

Jaina thinks that Sart character is way sketch. I mean, look at how he tacked on another vote for Joe:

On 10/14/2017 at 0:45 PM, Sart said:

Vote Count:
Mint (1): Rae
Straw (0): Paranoid King{1}, Sony
Jondesu (1): Paranoid King{2}
Elbereth (1): Droughtbringer
Orlok (1): Sart{1}, Steeldancer
Arinian (0): Sart{2}
Steeldancer (1): Araris{1}, Straw
Sart (1): Araris{2}
Joe (1): Frozen Mint

Hmm... this is getting us nowhere. Everyone keeps getting one vote on them, which means the lynch is either going to get tied, costing us momentum, or it will be changed by vote manipulation, which gives us even less information. Since Arinian has finally posted, I'll take my vote off of him. To ensure a lynch, I'm putting my vote on Joe. He's been joking around more than participating in the discussion. I know it's a weak argument, but we don't have a lot to go on. @A Joe in the Bush care to defend yourself? If you have a better lynch candidate, I'm all ears.

which lead to Joe getting lynched, simply because Joe was joking around, which is what a fair number of players (including Jaina herself) were doing. Sure, Sart says it's a weak argument, but it doesn't even feel like he's trying. He's just going after an easy target. Because he wants someone, anyone, to die. And then after Joe died:

On 10/14/2017 at 2:25 PM, Sart said:

Well, that was disappointing. At least we took out a role that we don't want the Seer to convert. Vote manipulation is more powerful in the hands of the Eliminators, as they know who is on their team, and who isn't. Still, it always sucks to lose a villager, but we didn't have much choice in the matter. We need as much information as possible, which means lynching people to determine their alignment.

he also feel disingenuous. He also feels super eliminator-y. Jaina's panda doesn't like him. And that's enough for Jaina. Sart.

 

[Arraenae]

I think Sart is TBD, will conclude after I finish eating lunch.

D1

In Sart's first post, he suggests an early on CC, which sounds nice but is something that I disagree with on principle. In a LG, it's extrwmely difficult to know who's going to be active and who isn't D1. Sometimes you can draw people into being more active by PMing them, but that takes some time. Othertimes somebody might just be in a timezone that's not very convenient for this game (Pretty sure that's the case for a lot of Australians, for example). If you lynch them D1, by the time they come online, the players originally voting on them might not be on to retract their votes.

Tangent aside, Sart contradicts himself in his post. He says that the Seer will tend to convert active players, so therefore we should...lynch inactive players? There's a disconnect here, unless Sart wants to force the Seer to convert active players through this. Still, he feels like he's trying to be helpful. There's no advantage for an elim to off totally inactive players, since Wyrm already said that inactive villagers don't count towards the elims' win con. Then Sart votes on Doc.

N1

Sart jokes around. NAI.

D2

Sart says that activity levels have been horrendously low (I agree). He votes on Orlok because he's less active and because it's possible that Wyrm asked Orlok to close the thread from the elim doc. This reasoning sounds kind of weak.

After Orlok responds, Sart takes his vote off and puts another vote on Arinian for the CC. At least he's being consistent.

Sart makes a vote tally and pings a bunch of people. Then he asks if people think he should continue pinging those who've looked at the thread but not posted. I'm not sure how to feel about this. Sart feels like a bored villager trying to drum up action, but his discussion question is among the more useless varieties of dicussion questions there are and seem like something an elim could say to score easy contribution points.

Lunch break, will come back to finish looking at Sart. Ping me if I don't.

[Paranoid King he/him]

4 hours ago, Arinian said:

Hmm... I think that PK is elim and so I voting for him... Hooray?

You don't sound too sure about this. Care to explain your reasoning?

[Sart he/him]

1 hour ago, little wilson said:

Jaina thinks that Sart character is way sketch. I mean, look at how he tacked on another vote for Joe:

which lead to Joe getting lynched, simply because Joe was joking around, which is what a fair number of players (including Jaina herself) were doing. Sure, Sart says it's a weak argument, but it doesn't even feel like he's trying. He's just going after an easy target. Because he wants someone, anyone, to die. And then after Joe died:

he also feel disingenuous. He also feels super eliminator-y. Jaina's panda doesn't like him. And that's enough for Jaina. Sart.

 

You're right. I wanted someone, anyone, to die. Obviously I wanted an Eliminator to die, but I was okay with having a villager die. Death is the only mechanic we have as a village to gain concrete information. It spurs discussion, and it lets us look back at older people's votes with confidence. Of course confirmed good does not equal confirmed right, but it at least puts us closer to the truth. It's why I put a second vote on Doc cycle 1. I didn't realize the other vote had been retracted, otherwise I would have switched to Aman to ensure that a lynch would go through. It's boring when no one dies, so I want to spice it up a little.

So, there I was the only active player as rollover was happening. I wanted to ensure a lynch, so I looked over the candidates.

• It would be hypocritical for me to vote on Mint, since she was getting voted on for breaking a tie, which is what I was doing. I didn't think that was Elim behavior, so I moved on.
• Jondesu was getting voted on based on flawed reasoning by Paranoid King. Jondesu thought the vote was tied when advocating no deaths cycle 1, while PK thought he was petitioning for no kill while the lynch leaned towards Aman. I don't like following bad arguments, so I skipped over him.
• Elbereth had given a reason for her inactivity, which was something I wanted to support. I'm for the Contribution Crusade, but when someone announces they will be busy ahead of time, I'm okay with it. Therefore, I didn't vote on Elbereth.
• I had already voted on Orlok once that cycle, and I was worried that my meta-reasons were clouding my judgement on him. I still have a bad gut read on him, but I wanted to give him a fair shot to make his case. In retrospect, I wish I had voted for him instead.
• It was down between Steeldancer and Joe. Steeldancer was getting voted on for doing some RP. I like RP and want to see that encouraged, plus I had a good gut feeling about him. As we now know, he was Villager, so I take small comfort that my gut was right on that count.
• I actually liked Frozen Mint's argument about Joe. He pointed out a contradiction, which could happen if Joe was the seer. He hadn't posted any thoughts on Day 2, other than asking why Sony was voting for him. That defense strategy seemed like what an Eliminator would do, so I decided to kill him. He turned out to be village, but at least I killed a role that was more powerful in the hands of the eliminators than the village.

Also, I don't like your panda. It's creepy, and I'm pretty sure it wants to kill me.

As to today's discussion, I'm going to put a vote on Orlok. His activity level has dropped off completely after day 2, which makes me think he's been converted. He was fairly prominent, so he would be a likely target for conversion. For what it's worth, I have a bad gut read on Rae as well, but I don't have any evidence to back it up.

[Arraenae]

 Continuation of my previous Sart post

I think Sart is NAI-leaning-village as of D3.

D2, he votes on Joe, who already has a vote on him. It's consistent with his previous actions, where he seems really eager to get something going. On the other hand, though, it seems like he rather arbitrarily picked someone to die without caring who it was, which seems more like how an elim would feel than a villager. NAI leaning elim.

N2

I agree with Wilson, Sart's post here sounds really off. It sounds kind of like he's justifying Joe's death or explaining why it's not so bad in an attempt to get less blame, maybe. It still has this uncaring feeling. Elim.

D3

Sart's explanation of why he picked Joe feels really, really good. It fits the feeling of a bored villager who wanted some action, even if it was detrimental to the village. His explanation of his PoE for who he was going to vote for feels earnest. His repeat vote on Orlok feels less good, a little like a slight tunnel (Orlok did give a pretty good reason for why he was less active D2, which seems like it would extend to D3 too.) If I had to peg this one way or another, think an elim would probably choose a better target, especially since Orlok already gave a reason for his lower activity. Sart's suspicion of me is NAI, I suppose, because normally I give a lot of people bad gut reads. >.> Nothing I can do about it, I think.

Overall, Sart's posts are NAI-maybe-leaning-elim, with this big dollop of villageriness at the end, which adds up to be NAI-leaning-slightly-village. I'd rather not lynch Sart now because he's one of the more active players and this game already seems kind of dead (though actual discussion seems to be picking up this game, yay!). I'll have to rake another look at him later.

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@Jondesu, thanks for saying I'm active? There's really nothing I can say about metareasoning, except that I know I'm village, which counts for nothing.

Also, how attatched is Quintus to his office?

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Armina listened to the others talk from the other side of the room, unable to see what was going on. Every time she tried to look, the heads of the other Obligators blocked her way, and here, there was no convenient ledge to stand on so she could look into the crowd. Armina silently glared at Quintus, who still hadn't moved.

She fingered the set of lockpicks buried in her pocket. She needed a way to make him late to the next meeting. Or just have him go missing. That worked too.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Of the players that I have any sort of feel for, I'd probably lean slight village on Sart and slight elim on PK. Especially with PK's vote on Lemon, which I see as overly aggressive.

I'd also say that during the Night, any coinshots should start picking off inactive by now. It's Day 3, so people have had over 144 hours to get their act together, and not everybody that's been inactive has given a reason in the thread.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

2 hours ago, Sart said:

As to today's discussion, I'm going to put a vote on Orlok. His activity level has dropped off completely after day 2, which makes me think he's been converted. He was fairly prominent, so he would be a likely target for conversion. For what it's worth, I have a bad gut read on Rae as well, but I don't have any evidence to back it up.

@Sart, a couple of challenges to this. The first of these centres on your following statement: "His activity level has dropped off completely after day 2, which makes me think he's been converted." Your argument here is predicated on two assumptions. Firstly, that were I converted, my activity would change considerably, and secondly, that were I evil, my activity would be diminished. Neither of these are sensible, nor fair, assumptions to make. Regarding activity, first, I'd point you to the last QF, to LG37, to QF25, to LG33, and QF22. Recent, and repeated evidence bears out that my activity does not diminish on being evil, and indeed, I try to drive and control discussion. Further, I think that suggesting that a conversion would change requires assuming that I'd make a blindingly obvious mistake. Were I evil, do you really believe that I would do anything other than maintain consistent activity? Why would I want to draw attention to myself in such a manner.

My activity has instead diminished for far less sinister reasons. Partially, the Quick Fix burnt me out a little. I was pouring a great deal of energy into the game, and spending a great deal of time on it. I've enjoyed observing this game, and discussing it in PMs. I do expect my activity to pick up, though. Whilst El is now visiting me, I'm relatively free compared to recent days. I've done a great deal of travelling, attended a funeral, and looked after the friend I mentioned previously.

Sart, I don't see how you can reach your conclusion without some extraordinary assumptions. I would posit, though, that something sinister is at work here.

On ‎14‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 9:25 PM, Sart said:

Well, that was disappointing. At least we took out a role that we don't want the Seer to convert. Vote manipulation is more powerful in the hands of the Eliminators, as they know who is on their team, and who isn't. Still, it always sucks to lose a villager, but we didn't have much choice in the matter. We need as much information as possible, which means lynching people to determine their alignment.

I agree with Wilson completely on this post feeling disingenuous. "Well that was disappointing", and "it always sucks to lose a villager" are banalities, and are typical of eliminators seeking to appear one with the village. Your attacks on me strike me as an attempt to lynch me through weak arguments whilst I am not focused. Sart.

 

[Jondesu he/him]

Go for it, @Arraenae. Quintus probably needs his office trashed so he can clean it up.

[Mint11 she/her]

6 hours ago, Jondesu said:

This is again mostly meta reasons, but I'd imagine a Seer who'd kill Steeldancer early would be interested in a player like Mira (Frozen Mint) as a convert, since those two started at similar times, so players who'd learned one of their playstyles would probably know both.

So the Seer killed Steeldancer due to something about Steeldancer's playstyle. Because the Seer knows Steeldancer's playstyle, they must know mine, therefore, they must be interested in me. There are a few issues with that logic.

1) Regardless of whether we started at the same time, I don't believe that Steeldancer and I played many games together. Even if I'm wrong about that, the fact that I don't remember much should speak for itself because it means one or both of us weren't very active in a game, so there wasn't really much to be learned about our playstyles. You could argue that someone who's very active in SE games could have played most of the games that both I and Steeldancer are in, but if that's the case, wouldn't they know a lot of players' playstyles very well? And even if Steeldancer and I played the same games together, I'm not sure how anyone would get to know our playstyles particularly well compared to anyone else's. There are much more prominent players.

2) Why would the Seer being familiar with my playstyle motivate them to convert me? Why would them being familiar with Steeldancer's playstyle motivate them to kill him? Being familiar with a playstyle isn't the same as being interested by it.

3) I'm not going to argue against the initial premise of the Seer's reasons for killing Steeldancer, but I do disagree with it. I personally think that the elims killed off a more quiet player to keep us from inferring anything from their kill.

[little wilson she/her]

Personally, I think the steeldancer kill was done because he'd just said he would be completely inactive for a few turns, which is different than most others, who'd said they would be less active. A contribution crusade kill like this from the eliminator team would only come from a handful of people, most of whom are long-running R&R players.

Oh, also, I've heard it through the grapevine that PK was scanned as village last night.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

You mean scanned as not the Seer? There are 0-2 non-Seer eliminators at this point, and the Seeker role only checks for Role, not for alignment.

[little wilson she/her]

Really? I thought it was a classic seeker. Full disclosure: I haven't actually read the rules for roles (though Wyrm assured me the roles were normal other than the Seer, so I'm going to blame this on him. Yep. ). If that's the case, then yeah. He's not the Seer, though since I'd thought he was the Seer knowing he was scanned as not is useful, if only for me.

[Jondesu he/him]

1 hour ago, little wilson said:

Personally, I think the steeldancer kill was done because he'd just said he would be completely inactive for a few turns, which is different than most others, who'd said they would be less active. A contribution crusade kill like this from the eliminator team would only come from a handful of people, most of whom are long-running R&R players.

Oh, also, I've heard it through the grapevine that PK was scanned as village last night.

I think I missed him saying that, but you’re right, that does change things a little. Frozen Mint, thanks for responding, and I do feel like I jumped the gun with the accusation. That said, Steeldancer was known as Flash before and I remember playing several games with both of you around the time you started.

[Arraenae]

1 hour ago, little wilson said:

Personally, I think the steeldancer kill was done because he'd just said he would be completely inactive for a few turns, which is different than most others, who'd said they would be less active. A contribution crusade kill like this from the eliminator team would only come from a handful of people, most of whom are long-running R&R players.

Wait, where did Steeldancer say that?

[Sart he/him]

30 minutes ago, little wilson said:

Really? I thought it was a classic seeker. Full disclosure: I haven't actually read the rules for roles (though Wyrm assured me the roles were normal other than the Seer, so I'm going to blame this on him. Yep. ). If that's the case, then yeah. He's not the Seer, though since I'd thought he was the Seer knowing he was scanned as not is useful, if only for me.

That would be good to get clarification on. @Wyrmhero does the Seeker scan alignment? It would be nice, but conversion makes even those results less powerful. Still, that would let us get a guaranteed eliminator.

Might as well do a vote count while I'm here. For some reason my mouse isn't working, so I'm not going to bother with the strike-through formatting.
Paranoid King (2): Arinian, Araris
Lemonelion (1): Paranoid King
Orlok (1): Sart
Sart (2): Wilson, Orlok

Well, I'm glad that people are voting, even if it's for me. As to the one post everyone is suspicious of me for, I get that. I was leaning village on Joe in the last hour of the day, and was feeling guilty about killing him. He seemed like the best candidate out of the people available for lynching, so I kept my vote on him. I wrote that post immediately after the night went up in order to make others not try to lynch me, and to justify my decision to myself

[Mint11 she/her]

23 minutes ago, Jondesu said:

I think I missed him saying that, but you’re right, that does change things a little. Frozen Mint, thanks for responding, and I do feel like I jumped the gun with the accusation. That said, Steeldancer was known as Flash before and I remember playing several games with both of you around the time you started.

Steeldancer and Flash are the same person?  I did not know that.